Why do ameriturds say nazis are leftwing...

>Strawman
>cherry picking
>bait
>>>>the post

Socialism and communism do mean the same thing however. They were used interchangeably by Marx and Engels (the first person to invent an imaginary distinction between the two was Lenin "you seem to think I am advocating for communism, when I am only attempting to instigate socialism"). It's Statism that nobody ever calls the right name in spite of talking about it all day fucking long

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if you're a faggot and you know it, vote for trump (click click)

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you really ae a born ameriturd

Socialism is workers contol over the means of production, communism is communal control over the means of production, ergo a political party, statism in the other way can be with or without any of the both, the exception is the state works for the purpose of making its own members more powerful, the non essencial parts of the state can be taken away in anarcho communism or social anarchism

He said ameritards, as in real people. Not larping basement dwelling idiots pretending to be tough on an anonymous image board. Seriously, think about it.. If some dickwad told a nazi (or a bunch of them) they was/were a leftie, to his face, he'd get smashed.

>Strawman
>cherry picking
yeah thats what I am critisizing ameriturds for

criticizing*

nice trips, shoulve been more specific and more specific it will be, what I meant is the american right

>most powerful country of the world
>most manipulable population

You need retards willing to throw their lives away for your interests. To be powefull you need willing followers, for that you need stooges. Goes hand in hand.

cant ameriturds have a real argument without lying or bitching out?

>Words mean the same thing decades and centuries after their invention.

Extreme level mental gymnastics, it's why so many of them get triggered when you call them a nazi

>dont call me a nazi I just quote hitler sometimes havent you forgot he is a socialist

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did you just attempt to generalize a nation of 350+ million people from 50 subsections of a country bigger than most whole countries in Europe unironically

I'm not American. Just pointing out facts. In fact communism is, according to Marx, inherently stateless. You clearly don't know what the words mean. I even posted the definitions right fucking there and you still managed to lie to yourself about what they mean.

Says the person denying facts even as they are presented to them.

Well, given the definitions in the image are the CURRENT definitions, I'd say your point is moot.

Lots of butthurt shitskins in thier thread. The 90iq shows.

>You clearly don't know what the words mean
Marx did suggest stateless communism, but that doesnt mean it cant be

you clearly cant have a solid argument against noth of these since your >communism=socialism answer just derails the argument, Ive arleady told you communism=communa control over the means of production socialism=workers control over the means of production, btw a whole political concept cant be explained by the definition of the name given to it.

Marx literally acknowledges the difference between socialism and communism in that the former is a necessary step towards the latter. Enough.

It does indeed, shitskin. Especially when you can't spell, shitskin. How is that 90 IQ trading you, shitskin?

How can you support marxs quote

You are once again thinking of Lenin.

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Ok justify yourself, how are these systems similar to the point of being considered equal?

Lenin had a movement of his own btw

communism were the ultimate white slavery. chernobyl was a bless because that jewish supremacy utopia finally fallen.
Every death camp were on former soviet territory. Holocaust is nothing but a narrative pushed by a group of people with agendas. Wherever the jew go they never assimilate, they always start out with gated communities. If you not sure who rules just investigate who you cant criticize. They are giving jail times for implying the numbers are not right. And that is only the tip of the iceberg.

No, Marx DEFINED Communism as being stateless. No suggestion. My argument is based on the fact that nobody, not even the two founding fathers of the principles, distinguished between socialism and communism, and NEITHER of them advocated for a state controlling these things. Marx specifically said that the state can have nothing to do with it, it must be the proletariat who instigate communism.

The only distinction between communism and Socialism exists in your mind. Both advocate for any and all productive property to be owned and controlled by the community as a whole. Statism cannot be the same.

>Lenin had a movement of his own
Which he called socialism, incorrectly. It was Statism.

Jews are just an ethnic group practicing capitalism, if your small brain couldnt tell hitler used the tensions between burgeoise and proletariat as a means of targeting the jews, how did he do thi you ask? blaming them for being the burgeoise, that way those tensions would ease with most big buisness owners and the low income proletariat and at the same time decreasing the anti capitalist movement rising at the time by destroying them from the inside with the art of misguidance.

>snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
The nazis were as socialist as north korea is democratic, they called themselves socialists to spite actual socialists.

>Marx specifically said that the state can have nothing to do with it, it must be the proletariat who instigate communism.
What he meant by that is that a communist system cant be applied in a state environment since the state is just a way of the burgeoise of protecting private property ergo communism could only be obtained through direct action against the state from the proletariat.

>Both advocate for any and all productive property to be owned and controlled by the community as a whole.
yeah but in different ways, one gives the means of production directly to the workers and the other to a communal party

Once again YOU are thinking of Lenin. Marx didn't call it socialism but it's in there. You act like a Marx scholar when all you've done is read the communism article on Wikipedia.

nice way of twisting what I said you subhuman. Are you some kind of plebbit leftist loser? They argue the same way. tell me again when and where did I talk about hitler and what and how he did you pseudo intellect garbage.
Yes, nazis killed jews. Its just the proportions and the stories smell like absolute bs and these rotten big nosed bastards had the guts to build a whole industry around it. It wasnt hard to turn the pleb against them, as I said they never assimilate and look up pre ww2 weimar. Bestiality, trans whores, pedophilia, same shit in every borthel and they were all run by jews.
You fucking tit. Jews got kicked out from like what? 100 countries trough history? When I get kicked out from a pub they are fucking assholes when I get kicked out from another 3 then its time to think I might be the asshole.

Not to mention the inconsistency of attacking them from the other side as well. Hitler and his Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda painted Jews as both moneygrubbing capitalist overlords and as subversive Communists attempting to undermine the capital might of Germany. It really was masterful social engineering.

Please list the 100 countries Jews were kicked out of.

It's not social engineering. It's desperate lying.

you may think these difference dont matter much but they do, marx wanted a state because he insited on the concept of inhibting the proletariat from becoming burgeoise, in fact thats why he disliked socialism, hes argument was that these proletarians would inevitably adapt a burgeoise like lifestyle.

On the other side Bakunin insisted on ending the state as a whole and applying socialism, his main argument was that the state is a self sufficient organization exploiting the proletariat by force, he insisted on killing the burgeoise class along with the state because without an opposition like the burgeoise the state would inevitably become a neo feudal system

I never said those numbers were true, I just explained the origin behind that anti jew movement

>The other to a communal party
Nope. Go read some Engels. Neither of them suggested any state, both advocated that the state could not be trusted to control productive property. Engels himself warned against establishing a political upper class.

I know you think communism/socialism is evil and has killed and imprisoned dissenters. I only come to remind you that neither have ever occurred. And that they are synonymous.

Marx specifically argued that a state would be unable to instigate a socialist revolution, nor maintain it. Where you get the idea that Marx was for a state is beyond comprehension. You're clearly making up shit because he never once argued for a state and FREQUENTLY argued AGAINST it. The whole point of Marxism is a violent uprising dismantling the state which protects private ownership of productive property and returning that property to communal control.

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Just a reminder of how very NOT advocating for a state communism is:
>The interference of the state power in social relations becomes superfluous in one sphere after another, and then ceases of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things and the direction of the processes of production. The state is not "abolished", it withers away.
>The society which organizes production anew on the basis of free and equal association of the producers will put the whole state machinery where it will then belong—into the museum of antiquities, next to the spinning wheel and the bronze ax.

Marx still suggested a state like system, as I said las time, what you were quoting from marx contradictions on the state were because you couldnt apply communism on a non communist state

>The whole point of Marxism is a violent uprising dismantling the state which protects private ownership of productive property and returning that property to communal control.

thats right communal control not direct action fromevery individual worker like bakunin suggested

I honestly hate communism, political parties will disinform, lie, and waste money just to get power.

Only a collective of peaceful individuals working for each other will prevail as non hyrearchical

As a faithful follower to bakunin I will never defend neither the ussr, or any communist country, they are state scum and they are responsible for unnameable attrocities , they may have ended the burgeoise but I still see them as scum, they are the same worthless animals as capitalist

you are now watching the consequences Bakunin was warning us about

source is wiki, which tends to be not so trustworthy when it comes to politics yet it gives you a nice idea.
I recommend looking at the timelines. Very small portion of written history. I see a pattern here and we all know patterns are racist...
The origin goes back to egypt. Hitler did a terrific job at blaming the jews but its very fucking easy to hate them. They treat everyone around them as cattle.
Thier nepotism and cohesion is admirable tough but Im from a post communist shithole, the bolsheviks taught us how to hate each other pretty damn well.

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Let's conflate economic theory and political theory and say communism and socialism are identical! :D

Nazis are left wing you cunt.
I'm a britbong.
You just believe everything your masters in the EU tell you.

Had a good argument user, amazingly you werent ranting shit like most people on this site do, I may differ on you definitions but I appreciate your preposition to have a peaceful converzation sleep well user

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Once again, there are no communist countries. There never have been. There have been statist countries which inaccurately label themselves communist.

And as before
>Marx still suggested a state like system
No he did not. You are literally making shit up. Both Marx and Engels said that in a commune of free association the entire state apparatus would no longer be necessary and would dismantle.

Wha do you think communal control means? It does NOT MEAN STATE.
>They may have ended the bourgeoisie
But they didn't. They created a political bourgeoisie, as was warned, which is why Communism/Socialism MUST be as a result of action by the proletariat, and why the USSR was not communist, nor socialist, it was STATIST.

Let's ignore that both are both social and political and are, in fact, literally synonyms.

Nobody genuinely believes this

no I agree that the ussr was leninist, but I think there is a big difference between anyways goodnight user

And leninism was statism, not communism/socialism. The community as a whole did not control anything.

You seriously underestimate the power of stupidity.

so basically to you one is controlled by the workers and the other by the people. but then who employs the workers? are they not just a collective group of people working together with out the Bourgeois management to control them? doesn't that just make them the people which makes them mutually exclusive?

>dont call me a nazi i just dont want to get raped by half the third world for the senseless war crimes committed by the bourgeoisie

this

>Why do ameriturds say nazis are leftwing
economically he was very left wing
>but at the same time simpatize with hitlers theory of jewish domination
jews own everything
>but at the same time say liberals are faggots
liberals are the biggest faggots on the planet
>but at the same time bring nazi flags to their protests?
the stars and stripes nor the confederate flags are not related to nazis or fascism.

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>god is bad goyim, you not slaves arent ya? now pay taxes or to the gulag with ya!
arguing while changing one overlord for another is pretty fucking stupid but what do I expect from an "intellectual" 140years ago. He was the king around the illiterate.
Pleb had god because it was the perfect cope to go trough 40 years of suffering, the idea of divine judgement gave them the motivation they lacked.

>the stars and stripes nor the confederate flags are not related to nazis or fascism
*Laughs in swastika*
*Laughs in German coat of arms*
*Laughs in Celtic Cross on a Black Flag*

That literally always happens. Go listen to any right wing anti-sjw they claim that Hitler was a left wing socialist. Right wingers put their feelings before facts just so they can spew whatever talking point they feel like makes ""the left"" look worse. Its pathetic

I forgot it's opposite day in hell, my bad.

>Changing one overlord for another
So you don't understand at all then.

>no u
What mentally stimulating post my dude. I can see you represent a side that is very keen on constructive discourse.

where do you think we are ... ?

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Not your echo chamber for once?

if you want it you can have it that's what it's here for

does nationalist socialist german workers party ring any bells ? forgive me for taking him on his word for it.

wtf that looks like my sister

No I dont know every philosopher from the russian hemisphere.
Religion is built on hierarchy. Government too, nature aswell. These vague statements are worthless. I can shake off the chains of civilization and live in the forest yet I will be still slave of my biological urges.
Just because some hobo anarchist came and said hurr durr religion is slavery -which is common sense by now- that doesnt make it golden.

criticising*

Pathetic how burger retards spell words wrong by changing S to Z to make it easier for their brains (or is that brainz?) to cope with.

3rd world education right there.

They are number one at history revision, thier schools look like zoos now. We can expect another sudden drop in thier intellect, especially with social media spreading nigg culture.

Not socialist.

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Well, it's like any other religion actually. Just take whatever you like from other's and voilà.

>>most powerful country of the world
>>most manipulable population

I think this has a direct relationship. The more stupid (manipulable) your population is the more power you can accire before the population realizes they've been tricked into a war, thats only faught to secure oil supplies.

critiqueing*

If someone's voting for trump he already is such a huge faggot, you could stick both hands up their ass and still clap.

Kek

>I am uninformed
He creamed loudly and angrily as if this made him seem smart in this argument.

>not liek you hide your disappointing intellect behind quotes from unknown russian thinkers
>not liek throwing insults around is any better than deflecting my points
>not liek you just acting all superior because you read some anarchist 101 bs from someone non relevant and trying to justify it
whew mate you showed me, working for that useless degree of yours worths every penny!

>Unknown Russian thinkers
Unknown to you. And instead of trying honestly to understand the philosophy you instead chose to instantly misrepresent it as 'changing one overlord for another', immediately showing you don't care about the discussion, you just want to keep repeating the tired and inaccurate representation of Communism/Socialism/Bakuninism as an oppressive regime when the actual philosophies themselves are inherently anti-state, and believing the states which chose to call themselves something which obviously and by definition they are not.

You are a fucking moron.

Ahh, I see, you one of those people. Romanticizing communism from the comfort of your western home. My grandparents lived trough communism, thier parents starved, fought, got raped, got thier animals taken. Keep your bs to the pseudo intellect spoiled rats in universities. I talked trough this countless times when I was in western universities. You know what? No college students in post communist countries say this bs, because they are smarter than that.
Loser. Just becuase consumerism is cancer that doesnt make communism any more better.

I read the diaries of Che, Ive seen communism with my own eyes, I see it takes generations to forget the dogmas and sickness it leaves behind. Also they stole every fucking thing they could. Wow so valiant, so gallant, so humane!
I might be a moron but you are a clown.

Show me one example of textbook communism, this utopia marx dreamed about. Im waiting.

>My grandparents lived trough communism
They lived through Statism.
>Ive seen communism with my own eyes
You've seen Statism.
>Also they stole every fucking thing they could.
The Statists? Yes they would.

Statism is not communism, it is a forced authoritarian state that incorrectly calls itself Communism with absolutely zero communal control of the means of production, and no proletariat uprising. And were you to stop calling it what it decided to call itself (by lying) we would be in complete agreement, because Statism is cancer. Statism is all throughout the history books proven by deed and matching in definition. Communism is not. It does not, and has never existed, and remains a thought experiment to this day. Che was as communist as Hitler was socialist. Lenin was as communist as North Korea is Democratic.

Please stop arguing from your feelings and listen to my words, and actually understand them:
Communism does not exist just because a place calls itself communist. Communism exists by action, and those actions have never been taken.

There isn't one. No country calling itself communist throughout history has actually BEEN communist.

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