Ylyl
No niggers or
Jews.
Ylyl
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Lololol you win buddy. Best one i have seen so far
You got anything with more funny and less attention-seeking-because-of-daddy-issues-summer-edge?
A/c sucks at work so I say to a coworker...
I don't remember taking a train into work... because it's hotter than a German oven
... long pause
Him:
...... you're so going to hell
Me:
it feels like im already there!
That is literally the worst product I’ve ever seen
now days they just do interracial porn.
>the only way to get your dad's attention.
Not sure if that was supposed to be a burn, but step up your game man
>death march
>not death camp
>nigger nigger nigger xd!!1!!!1!
You'd think 40,000 threads of the same joke over and over would get old at some point.
He died for YOU ya fuckin' ingrate.
Nah nigger is fun..
and also you’re a fucking nigger Jew
every joke made is the same joke over and over. You think there's such a thing as a new joke? Life is the same jokes in different contexts
kek
based thread
No, flying spaghetti monster boiled for you!
i bet you're 38 and have been doing this bullshit for five years and have no chance at true happiness in life.
Read a book you lazy niggers
Real talk
Stay mad soccer mom
o/
Retard.
Suck it lefty.
He's South American
>no kikes or nigs
>posts kikes
Read the first side note.
God fucking dammit go back to redddit you trans faggot
... I like making fun of both sides
im fucking done of this shit
manifesto in server .gg/64GFy4
Post higher quality images faggot
I don’t get it.
But the original looks hot
rAmen!
3 scoops nigga
THREE SCOOPS
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You good? Little edgy there bud
Nope. Not even close
Fsm was here years before it was anywhere else
>nigger detected
hard cringe
oh so you have a problem with someone TAKING CARE OF A CHILD? Fuck you seriously
that's the most autistic thing i've ever read
Cringy animal torture is so faggy. Honestly if I saw this irl I would instantly murder the person.
Fuck off back to fark you wannabe little whiny redddit faggot. I hope your grandmother is choking on nigger cum in hell
May you be touched by His noodley appendage my brotha
I know. I need 20 asap
Why is "C" white?
Welcome to the third position then.
lel.
I have a problem with this, yes. It's fucking retarded
Irish.
I was thinking that, but I just needed confirmation. Thank you user.
Free speech can be hate speech. Most defenders of flag burning still think it’s bad and disrespectful.
I mean fags can go to hell but stonetoss is a moron who relies on straw men
Ok but what does the penicillin pic mean?
Also your pic is completely inaccurate and made up. For example can you post a credible source that Auschwitz had a soccer team?
Your neutrals are all evil.
>Ok but what does the penicillin pic mean?
It means the Germans had a hospital at Auschwitz were they vaccinated jewish prisoners with penicillin.
>auschwitz.org
"In line with the expansion of Auschwitz from 1942 to 1944, new hospitals opened in the Auschwitz main camp (for the Soviet POWs and women prisoners held there at various times), Birkenau (in the camps for men, women, Roma, and Jews from the Theresienstadt ghetto), and in the sub-camps."
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>For example can you post a credible source that Auschwitz had a soccer team?
Why not take a jew's word for it?
Se pic.
Granted he believes the soccer balls were "stuffed full" of jewish babies that guards made the jews kick around
but hay
at least they admit they had A FUCKING SOCCER TEAM!
For the curious:
1. Anne was 15 when she arrived at Auschwitz. That was the cutoff for slave labor. All children under 15 on that same transport were killed.
2. Bergen-Belsen was a forced labor concentration camp, not a death camp. Consistent with Anne’s status as a slave.
3. Slave labor camps had rudimentary infirmaries for the slaves because it made economic sense to treat them if it could be done cheaply. German efficiency.
4. How is someone worked to death and killed by Nazi slave conditions not a victim of the Holocaust?
Hate speech is mostly protected as free speech, just look no further than Donald Trump
But I get your point burning a nation's flag, even in war times was not tolerated. Now people do it just because their butthurt
Post link to paper or credible source, not an infogrph. I think it’s fake. And even your pic is talking about a Nazi soccer team in Lviv, not a Jewish team in Auschwitz.
Thanks for explaining the meme
lmao, imagine thinking thats how shit worked lol.
> All children under 15 on that same transport were killed.
Its funny then how when the allies liberated camps they found children amoung the surivors. lol (pic and linkn related)
>news.fordham.edu
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>Bergen-Belsen was a forced labor concentration camp, not a death camp. Consistent with Anne’s status as a slave.
Yeah im sure the nazis got a fuck ton of use out of a sicklely little girl for forced labour
so much so that they sent her to a hospital instead of you know JUST FUCKING KILLING HER LIKE THEY WANTED TO DO ANYWAY.
>3. Slave labor camps had rudimentary infirmaries for the slaves because it made economic sense to treat them if it could be done cheaply. German efficiency.
So did Auschwitz/.
>auschwitz.org
>4. How is someone worked to death and killed by Nazi slave conditions not a victim of the Holocaust?
Because she died of typhus.
Agreed
I'm a registered priest with the church of fsm, you too brother
oh you think thats bad user?
.
A flute? What kind of sandwich is that?
Ive debated on doing that myself.
I think I might go ahead and do it soon
I hate to see those images, so I hide them, but I read that the dog ferociously killed a kid, in that case I think he deserved it, don't you see his face of I did something wrong, I'm feeling bad?
The doggo deserved it
This doggo also deserved it for being a yummy in my tummy doggo uwu
It's a Jesus burn, and a good one
I’m genuinely curious what you get out of posting this stuff. Is it just for troll lulz?
1. Out of the million people who passed through Auschwitz there were a few hundred children liberated after the war. Most were there less than a year, most were teens, many were not Jewish. What does that tell you?
Auschwitz had different camps too. I suspect the children were in the family camps, used for more politically valuable prisoners.
Your picture has no context so I can’t comment on what it shows.
2. It’s a straw man argument to say that the Nazis has a unified plan to kill all Jews immediately. Camps operated in different ways. If you’ve decided someone is a slave with economic value, why not try an inexpensive cure instead of just wasting them. And teenagers can be used for valuable labor, as they were for most of human history.
3. Infirmaries were in Auschwitz I, a concentration camp originally built for political prisoners. Your link says that. If there were infirmaries in the other camps they were probably for officers or sonderkommando, not regular Jews.
4. A semantic argument not worth having. If you lock people in squalor and they die of disease, most people would consider you responsible for their deaths.
>circle of life
well ... death
you get the point
Wish I knew who’s pussy that was
>all bodies were cremated
Yummy yummy in my tummy
Who’s a good doggo?
UWU
That story just popped up one day when an user was spewing bullshit, so it's probably fake
Fuck you
What the fuck, this is literally the nihilist future shit nightmares are made of
But they all are dangerous doggies that need to be put down. And whats the point of wasting good meat, right?
If this is real it’s quite impressive, looks like a work of art. Blood from the eyes, and the mouth, plus what looks like an opening in the chest cavity and a deepthroated cross.
>stonetoss
Professor of women studies I’m guessing
Ignoring what the french did to the land
And how no society with slaves (aka most of the powerful countries) wanted anything to do with them
The only cases of brutality I hear people talk about are murders and when the victim ends up in the hospital for a while
Not a real quite, library of Congress has his full journal you can read
Also, patton died in a car accident
>dachau
>not a death camp
Interesting article about a nurse in Auschwitz I maternity ward. According to the article about half of babies were immediately executed. Others died soon after of starvation etc. hundreds (not Jewish, I assume Slavs) were kidnapped and given to German families). The camp survival rate for babies was less than 1%. (30 out of 3000; I assume most were born at the end)
history.com
>stonetoss
Lol
What? Dachau wasn’t a death camp. I don’t even think Dachau was majority Jewish but not sure.
>Out of the million people who passed through Auschwitz there were a few hundred children liberated after the war. Most were there less than a year, most were teens, many were not Jewish. What does that tell you?
That apparently the germans werent all that purposeful about exterminate the jews.
Otherwise they would have lined them up against a wall and shot them before the soviets/allies got there.
> It’s a straw man argument to say that the Nazis has a unified plan to kill all Jews immediately. Camps operated in different ways. If you’ve decided someone is a slave with economic value, why not try an inexpensive cure instead of just wasting them. And teenagers can be used for valuable labor, as they were for most of human history.
Starting to sound like these are more labour camps then "death camps" hu...
>Infirmaries were in Auschwitz I, a concentration camp originally built for political prisoners. Your link says that. If there were infirmaries in the other camps they were probably for officers or sonderkommando, not regular Jews.
Do you really want me to debunk this to
or can you do the google search this time
>A semantic argument not worth having. If you lock people in squalor and they die of disease, most people would consider you responsible for their deaths.
In that case user Eisenhower has some fucking explaining to do.
for the 1.5 million germa POWS who starved under his watch.
More than one Auschwitz, and most of those are still lies. Only thing I could find close to a soccer team at Auschwitz was a soccer game in a ghetto. You need to provide a source for every claim
Who keeps posting the Nazi stuff in these threads? Is it paid or is it just new shitposting because it gets replies? I don’t get it.
I miss the banana and Andy sixx. Getting too old for b I guess
>>ma gawd
man, im pretty stupid but, damn.
>That apparently the germans werent all that purposeful about exterminate the jews. Otherwise they would have lined them up against a wall and shot them before the soviets/allies got there.
Completely ignored my second point. The Holocaust wasn’t one unified plan. The Nazis were happy to extract slave labor from some Jews rather than immediately executing them.
>Starting to sound like these are more labour camps then "death camps"
Are you 12? Millions of Jews were executed on the spot. Some were used for slave labor and deliberately worked to death. There were death camps and concentration camps.
Your argument boils down to: if the Nazis ever failed to execute a Jew on sight it means they weren’t serious about exterminating them. That’s retarded.
Huh, I must've read about the crematorium and experiments there and made the wrong assumption. Genuine thanks for correcting me
Nah bro. Theresienstadt (the show ghetto for important prisoners) had a soccer team. And an unsourced pic says the Nazis played soccer with Jewish babies. That proves Auschwitz had one too and all the other stuff. In fact, Auschwitz didn’t even exist. Pic related.
yeah, i heard nazi mega man went on a rampage after he took out flash man
I just leave this here
All you holocaust deniers are stupid faggots. Stop denying Germany's greatest achievement to irritate people and irritate them by embracing it instead.
>. The Holocaust wasn’t one unified plan.
Careful with that shit user
it can get you arrested in most of europe
pic realted.
>There were death camps and concentration camps.
Then so were fucking eisnehowers.
>Your argument boils down to: if the Nazis ever failed to execute a Jew on sight it means they weren’t serious about exterminating them.
user my argument boils down to something you already admitted
"It wanst a single plan"'
it wasnt the grand fucking holly wood conspiracy we were taught about in grade school where the nazis were planning on genocidng every jew in europe and beyond.
It was jews being rounded up and put in forced labour camps.
Where some jews executed?
of course.
Did some die of sickness and starvation after the allies bombed the damn suply lines?
sure.
Was their ever any plan for mass extermination of the jews in europe?
well
if there was
the germans apparently never talked about it
since the allies broke enigma in 41
and never ONCE heard call for the complete anilation of the jewish people.
This is a very based and redpilled thread
Kek
No problem. The Nazis did horrible things and executed people at all camps. And survival rates at many were horrible. (Death camps refers specifically to camps whose primary purpose was to execute on arrival, as you probably know). I’m not surprised Dachau had a crematorium.
Google standing cells.
Dachau was one of the first camps the Americans saw and they were absolutely horrified. Some of the prisoners (non Jews I believe) beat the guards to death and the allies let it slide.
They didn’t even see the death camps, which were farther east.
Yes good goy just as we practiced
Actually really accurate.
>Was their ever any plan for mass extermination of the jews in europe?
If they killed six million without organization, that'd be impressive
1933: the jews will eventually swindle you out of money so let's round them all up and kill them, even innocent women and children
20XX: the niggers are bound to kill a dozen others, destroy any society we pay for them to live in, never contribute and cost us a ton of money... we love them though and think that any minute, they'll be perfect and wonderful.
If they killed six million jews when they're werent that many jews in europe in 1939...
that would be even more impressive.
A
>there was never any other choice
There were 9.5 million jews in Europe in 1939. Stop denying our accomplishments.
Ah, but there were
And I should have said killing 11 million without any sort of organization would have been impressive
This thread is awful
Worst ylyl ever
I wonder what other conspiracy with tons of evidence against it you retards believe
JFK?
9/11?
Sandy hook?
All stems from not liking reality and wanting to further demonize who you believe was behind it, in this case the Jews
EU's article 13.
There is far less evidence re JFK than the holocaust.
Holocaust is a step below flat earth.
uh-huh
explains why the world sensus alminac didnt have a change of 6 million jews after the war i suppose.
Sure thing guy.
What's a disinfo shill pay these days?
Or you slurp schlomo schlong pro bono?
>muh jesus
They reproduce at an exponential rate
Yes, I agree, there was even a time when I considered the possibility of it not being Oswalt, then I saw the facts again, now I'm firm in the belief it couldn't have been anyone else. But my point in bringing it up is that they're all cut from the same paranoid cloth
If they hadn’t mentioned he was Chilean, I would have thought he was black.
What's your argument?
There’s a difference between a general goal and unified implementation. The Nazis absolutely developed a goal of total extermination. But it wasn’t carried out in a single way. And that policy evolved throughout the war.
It’s like building a national highway. You don’t build all the roads at once, you change designs and plans midway, you partially build some and return, etc.
>Eisenhower
Miss me with that Bacque bullshit. German POWs had a 95%+ survival rate in the west. And there weren’t planned massacres, mass executions, deliberately stingy rations, gas chambers, etc. but I’m sure you know that
Putin had the FSB blow up apartment buildings in his own country to help get himself elected. How is that lawful or neutral?
How can 2 planes powderize 3 buildings?
I never looked into JFK in depth. But the government mishandled it by classifying stuff they didn’t need to. And the cia and fbi were wild rogue agencies at the time.
The evidence I have seen also points to Oswald, but I’m no expert. Even still that doesn’t mean Oswald acted alone, which is probably the dominant theory.
Why do you think these deniers post this shit here, especially in YLYL threads? Just to troll?
The one thing you can post on Yea Forums where everyone shits on you. Should tell you something. Kill yourself my man.
Well, I mean, he's right.
They weren't powderized, they were destroyed
Because two massive planes crashed into the area, each causing an explosion and sending debris and fire everywhere
Why would WTC 7 be demolished according to your theory?
Couldn't take the guilt of deception any longer
Preach!
Pictured: they say they only dropped one bomb on Hiroshima but it took out more than one building??!!!??
WTC 7 was the only building in Manhattan not owned by Jews at the time. You think that’s just a coincidence?
>The Nazis absolutely developed a goal of total extermination.
Strange with all the plans to ship them to palestine and madigascar...
> But it wasn’t carried out in a single way.
Obviously
since you know
they didnt even do it tho they totally could have.
>And that policy evolved throughout the war.
Into not doing it by the end.
>It’s like building a national highway. You don’t build all the roads at once, you change designs and plans midway, you partially build some and return, etc.
Ah which i assume explains why their isnt any documentation for a program of genocide either.
Nor any decoded communications discussing it.
>Miss me with that Bacque bullshit. German POWs had a 95%+ survival rate in the west. And there weren’t planned massacres, mass executions, deliberately stingy rations, gas chambers, etc. but I’m sure you know that
Read "Eisenhowers Death Camps"
the public story was recently disproved by declassified military reports.
I meant to add: the Ruby Oswald thing was also suspicious as FUCK.
ever heard of insurance? i thought other 911 theories involved insurance. i'm sure it wouldn't have fucking mattered. if those "jews" knew that their building was going down, couldn't they collect the 83 cents--fucking jews wouldn't let that go--from their desk and their favorite paperweight the day before?
I'm almost positive it's just one or two posters, the guy saying it wasn't an organized plan seems new to this, he's probably not a troll. The one just posting the same shit thread after thread is almost definitely just derailing. And I'm pretty sure you're the same one arguing alongside me bringing up actual academic sources in these threads to prove their bullshit. I don't know why you do it, but me personally it's just good practice for recognizing fallacious arguments for my English courses
There were 2 bombs Fat man and Little boy. So yeah more than one.
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So it was destroyed alongside the trade centers as a way of saying get out? Then why did they have to destroy the towers as well? Why not make it seem like 93 again with just bombing it?
Nice.
>Hiroshima
He IS black.. you idiot!.
To us Latin Americans there is no light skin or dark skin niggas.. they are all considered black lol.
Lmfao
Kill yourself
Ask for more if you want to know how the story ends...
I usually don’t engage. But sometimes I do it because I realize spectators can be misled by seeing the same lies over and over. (Hitler and Goebbels were right about that). I hope showing that these guys have no actual facts helps people who know less about history be misled.
The Holocaust strikes a nerve with me because it happened in a civilized country over several years with broad public acquiescence. I’m personally very conservative, very patriotic, and very law and order. It scares me that in another time and place I probably would have “just followed orders.” That’s why I think it’s important to 1. Acknowledge what happened and 2. Understand the real world nuance behind it and how real people reacted.
If you’re interested in these human aspects, not just general holocaust history, I cannot recommend “ordinary men” or anything by gotz aly highly enough
Quick google search can’t confirm any of this. Ben Gurion resigned in 1954.
This user knows
hmmmmmm
i wonder ((((who)))) owns google...
Lenny Silverman owned WTC and took it down for insurance. He took down WTC 7 because they refused to sell. He bought the land cheaply afterwards. Look it up.
Oof
I wonder who owns Google
Uh... the public?
not funny at all kys nigger
>en.wikipedia.org
>Ben-Gurion is said to have been "nearly obsessed" with Israel obtaining nuclear weapons, feeling that a nuclear arsenal was the only way to counter the Arabs' superiority in numbers, space, and financial resources, and that it was the only sure guarantee of Israel's survival and the prevention of another Holocaust.[61]
"Ben-Gurion stepped down as prime minister for personal reasons in 1963, and chose Levi Eshkol as his successor."
but who owns the public?!!? BTFO kike shill!!!!!11111 /s
How does an airport resign?
In one time "ordinary men", in another, "plain, honest men." Reminds me of the teacher in the 60s with "the wave" I believe it was called
Look at that graph i posted again.
Then tell me who the CEO is
also be a dear and post is religion for those who havent bothered to click on the image yet.
lookatthisinfograph.jpg
So he got two planes and rigged three towers with explosives, but couldn't afford a third plane to strike wtc 7? Or maybe two towers were hit by two giant planes and devastated the surrounding area
Ah. I stand corrected. I only skimmed the wiki and don’t know much about Israel. Thanks.
I don’t see anything in there about resigning over us defense policy or the other stuff. Are there sources for that?
Why nots ignore that faggot and adress the post where i proved my point about Gurion here
Who are the wealthy?
Oh, I'm not part of your conversation, I just think you're a moron.
ron jeremy
Here you go, fam. Doesn’t say his religion but I’m guessing Jewish.
>don’t see anything in there about resigning over us defense policy or the other stuff. Are there sources for that?
That is largely conjecture.
But it should be noted that Gurion was very much for the Nuclear empowerment of Israel
And Kennedy was publicly against it
Despite this however...
Johnson would go on to allow it after JFKs assination.
>Doesn’t say his religion
Well isnt that just fucking convienent lol.
>it's an old meme sir, but it checks out
name one country that hasn't been fucked by other people wanting to steal its resources.
the vatican?
Take a wild guess user...
>en.wikipedia.org
How is that a counter to my argument? Do you not know what the French did? They couldn't grow a lot of shit for a long time because of them
Most of chileans aren't black, go to that shithole and figure it out
Oh damn the wave. Forgot about that. I need to see that movie. There’s a good German movie about the Wannsee conference too:
What’s your comparison to the constitution? That ordinary people can do great things or horrible?
Thanks for the honest and genuinely helpful post. It’s pretty hard to stop other countries from getting nukes when they’re determined. Did Johnson “allow” it? Or did it just happen under Johnson?
Also Israeli nukes still technically unconfirmed lol. Though it seems really weird to me that they’d make them and not test them. Nevertheless one would be crazy not to assume they have them.
Kek nice
What did the French do? Salt the earth?
Yeah, that was pretty much my comparison, the name "ordinary men" reminded me a lot of that book, which goes to great length to explain how they really were just men doing what they thought was right
Although now that I think about it, the founding fathers wouldn't exactly be analogous to normal soldiers
Not exactly, they just deforested the whole place at an immense rate
>Thanks for the honest and genuinely helpful post. It’s pretty hard to stop other countries from getting nukes when they’re determined. Did Johnson “allow” it? Or did it just happen under Johnson?
Kennedy was threatening to with draw US military Support and financial aid to Israel if the Israelis decided to gain nuclear technology.
The Israelis purchased a Nuclear Reactor on the black market and proceeded to reverse egineer and nuclear arm themselves under Johnson and he didnt go through with any of the measures kennedy had threatened durring his tenur
(Johnson also roughly doubled the aid the US gave to israel under his presidency tho in fairness this can also be atributed to other possible geopolitical realities, such as the worry that israel would become allied with the USSR in the cold war)
>Nevertheless one would be crazy not to assume they have them.
Yeah the declasified samspons protocols are pretty fucking daming to the idea of ambiguity around israli nuclear armament lol.
They may have tested them.
See "Vela incident"
Yeah the founding fathers were hella elite and had their own biases. Still it’s amazing what they came up with. So much about America’s founding was remarkable. Personally I believe there was divine inspiration and intervention, but you may think that’s crazy. Do you recommend the book?
Hawkeye?
Interesting. Didn’t know that. Independent Haiti has also had a major deforestation problem. They cut the trees down for fuel. Google images of the Haiti DR border. Trujillo was serious about his parks.
Interesting stuff. People forget how lukewarm US was on supporting Israel in the 50s and early 60s. And yes, it’s interesting they didn’t go more communist given that, as I understand it, the early Zionists were quite socialist and had a lot of cultural ties to Eastern Europe. If Stalin wanted their alliance he probably could have played his hand better and gotten it.
I read it back when I was taking AP gov my senior year, perhaps it was the fact I had to read it, but i thought it was just ok. And I read devil in the white city just before starting that which blows it out of the water and still gives anyone that studies history tons of moments of "oh shit, HE'S INVOLVED TOO" like when it brought up William Jennings Bryan
Devil in the white city is awesome. A book that is similar for its breadth and novelization, but longer and slower paced, is “Big Trouble.” Check it out.
Definitely will once I finish killers of the flower moon, thanks user
One more recommendation: Babi Yar. It’s the memoir of a Ukrainian who was a curious teen during the war and Holocaust and saw a lot of crazy stuff firsthand. Reads like a novel. And the current edition is interesting because he shows you what the Russians censored in the original edition.
Looks like Henry Rollins' dad.
Also: I haven’t read killers but I’m interested in the Indian genocide for the same reason I’m interested in the holocaust. Again a civilized country, public acquiescence. It absolutely could have been me.
you ever been in a wooden boat?
No. I'm pretty sure they float, though.
That’s a good retort. Going to copy it.
But the guy you’re talking to probably has never been outside so:...
>writing "/s"
Kill yourself
If there were 11 million to kill, and they were killed, that would have been progress, sadly it didn't happen
You ever tried to keep water in a room with a wooden door?
He probably meant 11 million if you include poles etc. I actually think it’s more than that but it depends how you define the holocaust in terms of civilian deaths. There was a pretty broad spectrum
It doesn’t need to be totally airtight. People suffocate to death in garages and homes all the time.
the doors in rivers in Europe are made of wood. its like you're trying to say people cant make good things. like if its made out of wood, its rickety and filled with holes or something
also this
humans can actually breathe water. water has oxygen in it. the problem is that lungs can't effectively work as gills because they'd have to process too much water and by moving so much, they'd get shredded.
gas is a lot easier to process. have you seen "horrible bosses 2"? they simply turn on a single tank of nitrous and start giggling and pass out, sitting in a fucking closet, with a gap under the door.
oh shit... it wasn't a metal, air tight chamber and these assholes had a single tank of nitrous and passed out? is horrible bosses 2 jew propaganda trying to prove that dusty powdered gas spewing all over the place in a room that people simply can't get out of that easily can kill them when it's like hyper death gas?
You're a cocksucking Jew, and you shill as such, not very hard to understand. But oh wait, I forgot, you're pretending to be a human, not a Jew. My mistake
again, you're just a fucking idiot.
kill all niggers. leave jews alone.
sorry, trap door
youtube.com
According the the US Supreme Court Hate Speech is Free Speech.
Based
it hasn't gotten old yet when you're 13 years old, as most of these posters seem to be
Why did you respond to another guy but still act like you were talking to me?
Well rather than go there I’ll just use google
discoverlockport.com
Wood doors holding water