Is this the GOAT series?

Honestly, Better Call Saul
If you loved BB, you’ll dig it

Yeah Half-life was really a high point in FPS...

1-4 were okay, 5 started to go down hill and 6 was just trash. So no, not the GOAT.

Those pretentious old shows are better than Ambien

>6 was just trash.
Oh you don't say?

>kicked off the most recent golden age of tv
>squeaked in before sjw pandering was required
>artfully shot
>solid story, despite being written season-to-season
>good characters, realistic flaws and consistent progression throughout
>satisfying ending-- you both want him to succeed and fail, he manages both
It's a good show, among the best to come out in the last decade. I haven't seen any decent arguments against it, other than subjective bullshit and bait.

Better Call Saul is much more subdued tho, but it works to its benefit. I think it's a bit more nuanced.

>plot armor
How so? He fails often enough-- usually when he tries to be something he's not. And pulls through in ways that are consistent with his character. He succeeds in one goal in the end, while failing at all of his actual ambitions.

we found the low iq

>s3 ending, surviving by a few seconds
>tuco's meeting, could have gone wrong any second
>taking a shower about to get killed cartel brothers get a "pollos" text
>getting taken by tuco only to be saved by hank
Should i keep going? cliffhangers after cliffhanger made by plot armor

>yal honkies wouldn't know kino Yea Forums if you sat down to have a shit in chick's alley outhouse and it bit you on the ass then run you down and bust your skull cause you're child-actor mother was an annoying cunt who constantly made problems for the crew

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I was gonna reply but
^^This guy laid it out and handled it.

someday in the far future you'll look back on this and shudder at what a goddamn faggot you are

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Yes, the spanish sounds awkward but that's okay

wtf is a GOAT?

Having the only formula to 99% pure meth.
>Plot armor
Fuck off

Truth. AND it ended exactly how it should have.

I have seen most of the critically acclaimed tv shows and BrBa is close to the top, but the shows that are better are just way way better. BrBa is a show you binge and then you kinda forget about it, it lacks depth, that doesn't mean it isn't a great show though.

You sound really butthurt

I thought it was game of thrones till season 7 and 8....

sopranos in the convo too

Why did they cancel deadwood

disagree I know many, including myself, people who have rewatched the series 3 or 4 times.. rare a show gets better as it finishes up.

GOT was good, but crazy overrated
I enjoyed all but the last two seasons, moved too slow at times

until season 7 and 8

idk if it was overrated, when the source was the books it was phenomenal.. and i see why ppl think its slow... i look at more that its character development

>game of thrones

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Nah - Sons of Anarchy and The Shield both were better

Think of all the times pablo probably almost got wacked and many others throughout history who beat the odds. Do people like you just think nothing ever happens outside your house?

I'm not tho, just pointing out what I think about it.

both of us single dads from the middle west we can talk about it?

Yes but that spans a lot of years, decades even. Walter's arc lasts like 2 years or less.

Plot armor is specifically a situation where a character survives simply because he is indispensable, with no rational in-universe explanation. You are just citing plot tension, not plot armor.

>s3 ending, surviving by a few seconds
Shows and movies do this all the time-- down-to-the-wire survival is a way to make a situation tense, and increase the interest of the audience. The entire story surrounding the end of s3 makes sense, they just added the tense moment at the end to make you wonder if Jesse would really go through with it. It's just plot, not armor.

>tuco's meeting, could have gone wrong any second
And it did, consistently. Every time Tuco was on screen, it was a disaster for Walt and Jesse. That's the point.

>taking a shower about to get killed cartel brothers get a "pollos" text
More tension, surrounded by plot that makes sense. The only reason Walt survived is because others were watching out for him. And he had no idea. It's specifically set up this way to show how he is very weak to the world that he does not understand. But the world he does understand-- science-- is what saves him. He's too valuable to let die. This is a recurring theme throughout the show.

>getting taken by tuco only to be saved by hank
He was saved by Jesse smashing Tuco's head in with a rock, then they took his guns and Jesse shot him in the gut. They had the guns, all they had to do was go back for the keys to gtfo, when Hank showed up. Hank showing up was to develop his plot, not to save Walt's ass.

You don't seem to understand the distinction between plot and plot armor. Just because a character survives against the odds does not make it plot armor. Plot armor is completely unrealistic and no logical explanation given, to make a character survive a necessary plot development simply because they must survive. They spend more than enough time explaining, and could have simply written it in a less close-call sort of fashion-- if they wanted to be boring.

Too inconsistent between seasons. And each season was too neatly packed. I'm not a hater-- of the series or the ending-- but it gets maybe a 7.5/10, with some seasons getting 10/10 and others 5/10.

TL;DR
WW has plot armor
The show is based around his ability to produce high quality meth and thats why he is indispensable to the story.
Thats literallly plot armor what plot armor is.
Better tv shows were able to engage audience without this.

GoT was okay. The show runners completely missed the point, though. It was about the world, not the specific characters. Which is why you can kill them off so easily without losing the audience. That's why shit started to fade at season 5 or 6-- they had run out of material from Martin at that point. Then it was just a shit-show from there on. It made me look back at their treatment of the earlier material, and I could see where it was lacking. They absolutely needed the book material and a whole lot of hand-holding.

>TL;DR
then don't bother replying.

agree 100%

now if grrm could just get his shit together n finish the books before he dies... he'll prolly die before he finishes to give it an irl asoiaf ending

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No other show has been able to develop a character like Tony. Each episode is packed with so many subtle moments that even on a 9th rewatch you still learn new shit.

There is no point in reading something that I know its wrong. No show is perfect including breaking bad, its not that hard tbh. Did you like it? Congrats. I liked it as well, i waited for each episode after s01, but I dont lie to myself, WW is the embodiement of plot armor.

Just curious do you believe we walked on the moon?

So you're just gonna act like that guy didn't offer a compelling counter argument to what you had to say? How stubborn of you user

Ye but only because Neil had plot armor too

>no point in reading something that I know its wrong
You're in denial. Which doesn't make you right.

>No show is perfect
No shit, never said Breaking bad was perfect, or the best show, or whatever. Just that it's not plot armor.

>Did you like it?
It's irrelevant. I could have hated it, and it would still not be plot armor. You're just letting subjectivity get in the way.

There is no compelling argument, just denial. WW has plot armor. Am i being trolled or are you guys braindead?

>There is no compelling argument
>except when user above gives a compelling argument
>I just say TL;DR
retard...

>You're in denial
projecting much?
> You're just letting subjectivity get in the way.
Im not tho, its just that you cant accept that WW has plot armor, just like Arya does.

>muh chemist teacher surviving its just because he smart
Its plot armor boy

Let's put it this way. One of about a billion things in the universe could be different, and cause our existence to be impossible. Does that mean we have plot armor? No. Our universe makes sense. It is logical and consistent. So it makes sense that we exist, despite the ridiculously low odds that we should.

The requirements for plot armor are:
>character essential to the plot survives repeatedly
check
>despite low odds of survival
check
>in a way that is logically inconsistent with the setting
no check

Rey in Star Wars? Plot armor. WW? No. Just plot.

Just go look up a definition of plot armor already...

>in a way that is logically inconsistent with the setting
Chemist with no experience and no street smarts faces up against hardened up mexican and demands he gets paid. He complies, survives with a scratch from a explosion, leaves the building thats surrounded by other criminals without no one interrupting him
Does something similiar to mike, an experienced ex cop who does the dirty work for an enterprise that makes millions on a daily basis and is connected to a cartel.
He also evades the police several times when they were extremely close to catching him
Nazi gang lets him live and pays him out of respect LOL
Chemist ends up killing whole nazi gang
>logically inconsistent with the setting
>logically inconsistent with the setting
>logically inconsistent with the setting

You may need glasses. Or a brain.

yeah. i've watched the whole series about 5 times and learn new stuff each time. i now have streaming hbo and thinking of going again.

Based. Even if you somehow look past all the weird seasons and all the little things that don't make sense the ending ruins the series even further.

sopranos beats it cuz meadow

thicc af

By you 'logic', no one in any show or movie should be anything but average. All the time. Anything past that is plot armor.

You're ignoring that everything WW did in the show, for the first half, was one step forward, two steps back. He made a clusterfuck out of his life. He almost never succeeded. And when you think he did succeed, it was quickly replaced with failure through unforeseen consequences.
>kill Tuco, get a mark on your head
>try to provide for family, lose family
>try to expand territory, people die and ends up with no territory
>try to create a drug empire, end up caught, on the run, then dead

The only reason he ever made it at any point was because he ended up in contact with someone who was a 20 year veteran that wanted to utilize his potential. His scientific knowledge was his only asset. It was the only reason he ever succeeded. It's the only thing that ever got him out of a bind. But it didn't save him in the end, because his pride undermined his successes at a faster rate. That's the point, that went over your head apparently. He was an extraordinary smart guy who failed miserably because of his pride. now how do you write that story, in an interesting way, without making him succeed against the odds at times?

stupid fuck. you won't win anything here with your overly elaborate arguments.

>can't even bother to look up the definition of plot armor
I can see why you think that my argument is overly elaborate.

It was good but instead of dragging on the episodes, they could’ve just shortened them to 30 min instead of an hour
Better call Saul was better than BB but whatever the show is overrated

>By you 'logic', no one in any show or movie should be anything but average. All the time. Anything past that is plot armor.
So you agree that what WW does is
>logically inconsistent with the setting
Well, congratulations you arrived at the conclusion, its PLOT ARMOR. Him surviving is plot armor, him not achieving what he sets up to do has NOTHING to do with plot armor. But at the end of the day he achieves it, its not easy for him and I agree, this adds to the series, he is not a magic wizard that stumbles upon a new world and conquers it, he has to go through a lot of shit to accomplish it and he does this thanks to plot armor (he survives his ordeals).
Other shows had a way to deal with this, the wire for example, Stringer Bell? Omar? Or the Sopranos, Tony? Christopher? Tony B? Pussy? etc.

>It was the only reason he ever succeeded
Yes, thats the central point of what keeps the story going forwards. But he still survives
>despite low odds of survival
several times

>now how do you write that story, in an interesting way, without making him succeed against the odds at times?
A show can be interesting without putting the main character against low odds of survival several times over a short span of two years. There are tons of parts of the show that show how badass and interesting walter while also developing his character is without putting him in plot armor situation. For example, comfronting the dudes at the parking lot (stay out of my territory scene).

That wasn't me btw, that was other poster.

yes, i only watched a tiny bit of it. i kind of wish that i completed watching it. i watched it on netflix.

i found better call saul to be boring.

because you're brain addled from watching so much tv. fuck read a book dude

She only cute the first two seasons. Then she is just a granny nigger lover

i think dexter was better. bb is a very close second, tho

>lalalala ur wrong im right :))
Literal child, lmao, come back when you're 18

I'm right tho :)

If it isn't its certainly up there. Very solid show, very rewatchable and entertaining throughout. Actually had a satisfying conclusion instead of pulling a GoT, Dexter, LOST or HIMYM

Detractors always claim this but provide not even a single example. It's almost like they have talking points saved on WordPad or something, just ready to go from elsewhere

Yes. I started with this one first so every other one sucked.

...

dialogue was too complex for most ppl imo

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nigga you could literally cut entire seasons and you wouldn't have misssed anything
it's really tedious how they go from hey lets stop for 2 episodes and then they start cookin meth again - sorry spoilered the entire show

You already got blown out buddy

Atm yes

M*A*S*H will forever be the GOAT

By whom, by the poster that basically admited that WW has plot armor and couldn't follow up?

>By you 'logic', no one in any show or movie should be anything but average. All the time. Anything past that is plot armor.

The production and acting is good. I thought the writing got tedious. I get exhausted by characters taking turns doing dumb shit and betraying each other to keep the tension constantly at maximum. Really bores me.

Certainly not bad though.

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Why are you posting a line that shows how faulty your argument is. If a character survivors any dangerous situation, more than once, in your mind thats plot armor

Not him but that's pretty much the EXACT definition:
"Plot Armor (also known as Magic Bullet Shield, as seen in map scripts) is an informal term referring to a character's unusual ability to survive infinite damage, due to their importance to the story."

not plot armor, per se, but at least plot amour

The wire is garbage. Eat shit and die

>in your mind thats plot armor
No, not in my mind. Its just what plot armor is. No reason to get your panties in a twist.

>Its just what plot armor is
No it isn't

I tired of hearing Skyler crying like a fucking retard and stopped watching it. Should I fight through it?

Your guys retarded logic would presume that you could call basically any character in fiction that has ever lives through anything 'plot armor' and that is faulty. It doesn't apply to very fictional character that makes it out of a dire situation unscathed. Read up on what it actually is instead of trying to use terms to discredit a show you clearly didn't even watch.

Walter White does not fit the description you just provided.He multiple times, through multiple seasons survives things that should have most definitely ended him up dead. Look no one cares if you Br Ba, but it isn't perfect nd Whites plot armor, which starts strakly as soon as he throws the shit he made in Tucos lair and doesn't end until the last goddamn episode where Jessie just happens to tackle him perfectly so that random auto-fire from a mounted machine gun misses them (except for the one stray bullet of course, cuz gotta have him die at the end lol)

It is. See? My argument is better
>Your guys retarded logic would presume that you could call basically any character in fiction that has ever lives through anything 'plot armor' and that is faulty.
No, only when the character does it repeatedly, over and over again during a few months. Also, he doesn't belong in that setting, thats part of the show, but he ends up unscathed. nOt pLoT aRmOr, right?
>It doesn't apply to very fictional character that makes it out of a dire situation unscathed
as opposed to a non-very fictional character, right? Gandalf, a very fictional character, fights a beast way stronger than him and survives. Why? because he is a wizard m8, not a chemist.

>It is. See? My argument is better
You don't have an argument because you don't know what plot armor is. So no, it isn't.

>nOt pLoT aRmOr, right?
Now you're getting it, you fucking inbred hick.

Ok I can settle it really easy if you want me to. Ctrlc+v the definition and lets see how it applies to the different situations that WW went through

You just gave me a hard on, i feel enlightened

Character survives events =/= character has plot armor
Your thick skull is failing to receive this. Do you never wonder why characters in every existing fictional show that lives til the conclusion of it aren't slapped wit the label of plot armor? Because isn't just something you apply willy nilly to any character who is able to survive a scenario.

Take a step back from your screen and realize you re the only retard running around spouting this, and that, perhaps it is you, that is a dumbass, not everyone else.

so?

Jon Snow has plot armor!
Tyrion has plot armor!
Bilbo has plot armor!
Jack sparrow has plot armor!
Willy wonka has plot armor!
Charlie Bucket has plot armor!
Tony Soprano has plot armor!

See how retarded you look. That above, that's you. Go shove your boner in a meat grinder, nigger.

hey dummies, this isn't a discussion about bb's flaws. nothing is perfect. the greatest show of all time still has stuff wrong with it. name a show that's better, otherwise you're just wasting time.

The Wire

Had one of the worst endings in TV history

Clearly you haven't watch Game of Thrones yet.

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>The Shield
Mah nigga!

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>
>Jon Snow has plot armor!
They literally fake out killed him to try to convince people he wasn't plot armored.
>Tyrion has plot armor!
Oh yes, he should have died in S2 the latest
>Bilbo has plot armor!
Absolutely. You see that tiny nigga, survives everything.
>Jack sparrow has plot armor!
Literally Houdini with a scimitar
>Willy wonka has plot armor!
He's basically presented as a God, so yes
>Charlie Bucket has plot armor!
Innocent kid dindu nuffin every 'tap' he just manages to avoid by being a passive shit. Maybe the only one on here who it doesn't apply to
>Tony Soprano has plot armor!
No he died IRL lololool

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So no definition so we can apply it to WW then?
If you can't understand the difference between most of those characters and WW, then you would not get it. Neither jon snow, jack sparrow or tony soprano are school teachers, they are part of that enviroment and survive logically within their setting

Arya has plot armor tho, demigod level of survival skills towards the end

The show that objectively isn't good about mid way through Season 4 and DEFINITELY is not good from S5 on? The show became a parody and shell of itself basically overnight.

Mad men
The Wire
The Sopranos
Deadwood
Ozark
Better Call Saul
Dark

WW is an intelligent chemist who survives multiple ordeal because he is intelligent.

>Ozark
Now you're just reaching. Rest I will give you.

Too bad the show does not reflect what you're saying. Did you close your eyes during the scene with Tuco and the mercury explosion?

>Too bad the show does not reflect what you're saying.
Actually it does. His intelligence is one of the reason he rises to any significant status in the drug world. His intellect and ability to weave in and out of dangerous shit and come out on top is partially do to his quick thinking and planning and execution. His charter being a methodical, conniving shit is one of the biggest points of the entirely of the goddamn show.
Watch the show yourself, this time remove your ignorant head from your asshole though.

>His intelligence is one of the reason he rises to any significant status in the drug world.
Yes.
>His intellect and ability to weave in and out of dangerous shit and come out on top is partially do to his quick thinking and planning and execution.
No and you know it.

>show does not reflect hat Walt is intelligent
How can you be the one telling people to pay attention? Literally the only scenario I will give you is the twins getting the text just before they wee going to dismember him as he came out of the shower.

FUCK NO

S1 of true detective was better, not to mention about 10 other shows thatve had better full runs.

>No and you know it.
No I don't I actual watched the show, unlike you. Fuck off, it's like you didn't even understand the pathos of his fucking character. You were probably 14 when the later seasons were airing, I forgive you, sweet faggot child.

>No and you know it.
There's a million examples of him coming up with someone out of his ass just by staring at something long enough, or seeing a fly whiz by. Lol. He's like "grounded" Rick Sanchez basically.

>show does not reflect hat Walt is intelligent
I didnt say that. WW IS intelligent. But he survived several times due to plot armor. Seems like you didnt watch the show.

random?

I'm a big fan of Fargo, check it out if you haven't. Watch the Coen Bros. movie first though.

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>But he survived several times due to plot armor.
But that's wrong kiddo.
> Did you close your eyes during the scene with Tuco and the mercury explosion?
Let me gues, you're one of those retards who thought this is where he should have first died.

Sorry, very conveniently places bullets from a jerryrigged turret firing wildly. :^)

So, no one wants to post the definition and putting WW and see how he holds up. Wonder why.
Its easy as that. But yall dont wanna. Lol
It shows.
If you were older and actually watched good shows you wouldn't be defending this ;)

Not user, but I'd add the following to his point:
He is not part of that world, and doesn't look like he should be in it. So no one suspects him to be in it. He directly interacted with a total of around 10 people from the drug world prior to being involved with Gus. He kept a very low profile. Yes, he was saved by Gus from the Cartel, and then Gus took out the cartel.

A lot of what happened was circumstance, for sure. A few well-timed killings early on that saved his ass, and then Gus obliterating the competition. But there are circumstances in stories-- not everything is up to the main character because that would be ridiculous and boring.

Fucking Deadwood

>arguing against like 5 anons now
Have fun with that.

>But that's wrong kiddo.
Proof?
>Let me gues, you're one of those retards who thought this is where he should have first died.
Not died, but tuco shouldnt have complied. His meth skills were suddenly waived during the whole altercation to show ww badassery, only to come back after thee xplosion, so they can continue their path to success. Wow how convienient, great writing guys.

you're probably under 35. better call saul is for adults. i never heard of breaking bad until the last season, so i collected and watched it. i realized i hadn't missed much, and after having seen properly crafted shows like the sopranos 10+ times, i saw breaking bad as written by crackheads on LSD. i have no problem with the typical "death at the end of the season" because that's how the sopranos, dexter, and even saul operate. there must be a strong closure to the arcs and sometimes it's not a person actually losing their life, but a part of them dying.

better call saul tried a little too hard and got a little spastic and excited with itself--which is almost funny because the main dynamic is boring ass mike just being such a "man" about everything--near the end of the 4th, but it's still doing well. the "adult" edge is the whole relationship between jimmy and he brother and that stupid bitch kim who i really hope FUCKING DIES.

that's how an adult man feels. you never want skyler to die, because she's kind of hot and has a lovely voice but this is a show for bored adults that can't stand silly kids. you're still the type of kids that could stand the new jay and silent bob movie. if so, better call saul is not for you... yet.

Think about it. Think about how uptight his security alone just to TALK to him was. Think about how many goons he had protecting him. Think about what kind of person Tuco is. Think about how new to the drug world and gangs Walter White was. Think about how the explosion didn't kill most of the people, if any and was just a showboat power move attempt.. Now try to honestly tell me him tossing mercury and obliterating his entire place would not have been met with him being dismembered 6 ways from sunday

All dodging the definition of plot armor tho. So im leaving since kiddos cant stomach the fact that their show isn't the best
>m-m-uh show makes me feel good it should be the best

he tackled jesse not to get hit, though he was on top and ended up getting hit. The only thing I could maybe give you is how todd survided just to get killed by Jesse. But even that could be explained by the fact that he was crouching trying to get walt off Jesse, and just got lucky

His ears were ringing, how is that plot armor?

I tend to defend things when people don't even know how to apply a movie/tv trope.definition to a show proper. Why let a retard run around screaming when you can just call them a retard and tell them to sit down and go back to sucking their thumb :)

The definitions been posted,by the way, you blind spic.

Not user, but I think the point is that Tuco was off his rocker. He made his points through violence. He respected violence. It makes as much sense as any response from Tuco would.

And not a single one has an argument present other than "not uh". It doesn't work here, when the argument fully relies on citing instances where the definition being proposed about said character is supposed seen or not seen

Yeah, and dismantled and no counter points were made, except screaming while covering their ears.

He had a whole fucking bag of the thing. Just one crystal caused that explosion, imagine the whole bag. THAT's why he was allowed to leave

>All dodging the definition of plot armor tho.
Except the first guy who defined it, argued against your points, and then you just said TL;DR. You haven't actually presented any new argument since, given us you shitty definition of plot armor, or successfully rebutted anyone else. So yeah, please do leave. You have nothing to add here.

Successfully rebutted, no follow up. Cleverly ignored like they treat logic in the show.

>Successfully rebutted
Where?

Because he wouldn't have made it out of the building liking like a badass so we can all thin White is so calm cool and collected against a bunch of meathead psycho brash tweakers. Because him surviving the scenario is utterly fucking ludicrous. And that is only the first of MANY. Even if what you say is true, there were still plenty of people that could have stopped him that he literally walks right by. Hell Mercury doesn't even do that shit, so it's even funnier they made this whole ridiculous scenario around a ridiculous thing that isn't even remotely realistic.

again you can like Br Ba, even I found some of it entertaining, but stop trying to deny glaring flaws/inconsistencies like this.

Just linked it to you, if you can't offer your rebuttal then you just proved yourself wrong.
>You haven't actually presented any new argument since,
I did. Cleverly ignored like they treat logic in the show. Deja vu

>Yeah, and dismantled
>no he has plot armor dude
Sure showed them bro. Still hilarious you're the only dumbass making such a stupid claim because you're the only idiot who is wrongly applying a term to a popular fiction character. But keep on chuggin there retard

Definition? Nowhere to be seen.
Im waiting

What do you need a definition of? Did you claim a character fall under something an then demand other people give you the definition of that something?

Strange, that sounds like something a clinical retard would do.

Only fanboys say that WW doesnt have plot armor.
Critics seems to agree with me.

Keep on chuggin there retard.

Link me to a few "critics' please.

Surviving a dire event =/= plot armor

As easy as posting the definition and applying it to WW, but you keep dodging. nice ad hoc btw

Surviving SEVERAL dire events after an inexperienced school teacher goes against gangbangers and drug dealers that make millions of dollars daily in the span of two years is plot armor (actually less than two years). Sounds stupid when you actually think about it

Someone made a Japanese sequel to the movie.

What do you need a definition of? Did you claim a character fall under something an then demand other people give you the definition of that something?
This really sounds like something an idiot would do.

So you admittedly used a term you don't know the definition of?

You're dumb as shit.

Funny I search plot armor and walter white and all I get is retards on reddit claiming he has it. Maybe you should go back.

This this and this. Breaking Bad was ok but nowhere near the Dickensian narrative perfection that was The Wire. Not to mention that The Wire, while fiction, is the closest to reality when examining western capitalism

Not an argument
Not an argument
Not an argument

Prove that he doesn't have plot armor, or go back to your hidie-hole.

Nah you just have shit taste and prefer sitcom level narrative and acting.

>nowhere near
Oh fuck off, they are both good shows. 2 well done shows can exist in the same world. Fucking faggot. Also fuck anyone calling Br Ba overrated while in the same breath singing The Wires praises to the moon. Fucktards, the lot of you.

>I'll just leave this here...
Plot armor:
A plot device used to safeguard the life and well-being of the main character if a story, used in an illogical way with no reasonable in-Universe explanation.

If I was a suburban kid who had no idea how the drug world works then I would probably agree with you. Bet you thought that ending was badass too. Kek at that stupid fucking sprinkler gun. Makes sense that Vince Gilligan also created/wrote Walker, Texas Ranger.

>hur dur
>call you out for avoiding arguments
>only responds to replies that don't argue
>while ignoring the rest

Exactly. Not a bad show, and very watchable, the first go round. But it’s like fast food.

The Shield was in the Top 10
But SOA? Jerkoff fantasies for white trash with a soap opera narrative

Yeah and The Wire narrative perfection pales in comparison to the development of each individual character in The Sopranos. The Wire, while being a fine piece of literature that unfolds on TV, still lags behind in several aspects. As a show about a city its the best, but one dimensional characters that have hours upon hours of screen time is soul draining.

The Sopranos is amazing. Every year I rewatch and find nuances I missed. So fucking brilliant. And not about the mob at all. American family relations.

>thinking its the same poster everytiem
im ignoring every post that doesnt contain the definition of plot armor

>s3 ending, surviving by a few seconds
He literally makes a call and gets saved by the skin of his teeth because Jessie was able to compromise the situation. How is that plot armor, it's a last second hail mary that happened to work. It's plot armor because it happens quickly and as a last resort? You see the ENTIRE scenario play out. Plot armor would be the scene just switches to Jessie, who by some stroke of genius decided to off Gale in the off chance Mr. white is in trouble.

>tuco's meeting, could have gone wrong any second
Multiple people ave explained why it doesn't, but how is that plot armor. He specifically forces a situation where his enemies are told to 'back off' and they do, out of fear. Plot armor would be if he solid snaked his way out the building dodging bullets from thugs and disarming multiple foes along the way with graceful acrobatics and fighting techniques.

>taking a shower about to get killed cartel brothers get a "pollos" text
Give you this one. This was clearly just made to build tension, the text could have come at anytime really but it literally comes at this last second. See THIS is an example of something at the absolute knock of time, not the desperate call to Jessie.

>getting taken by tuco only to be saved by hank
Nothing plot armory here, he almost fucking dies and he doesn't ONLY survive because of Hank, Jessie and Walt were fighting him.

>Should i keep going? cliffhangers after cliffhanger made by plot armor
Yes you should, I want to see what other shit you actually think is "plot armor". This is fucking amusing. Pic unrelated.

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They are both shit compared to much better shows, Like Sopranos.

s3 ending
>by the skin of his teeth
tuco's meeting
>by the skin of his teeth
again
3rd one ok
>he almost fucking dies
but he doesn't and ends up coming on top and without any damage

am i being punked?

Look it's not hard. Post proof, explain how he does not have plot armor. Debate. Instead of name calling and greentexting. I swear it isn't hard. try it.

it was also REALLY expensive and, I heard, not hugely profitable.

>tucos meeting
>skin of his teeth
He walks out of the building completely fine, he wasn't anywhere near about to die.

In anycase, "skin of his teeth" doesn't mean the character has plot armor, where are you getting that from? which definition of the word says if a character just barely makes it he is considered to have lot armor. Every other scenario has a series of events and explanations literally shown right to you by the show. I gave examples of what would make it plot armor.

And don't dodge again. Post more so I can laugh.

So, there are many instances in BrBa where WW beats the odds. Even repeatedly. But that happens, even in real life. Literally, such as with a gambler who is on an unlikely winning streak.

There are rational explanations for these instances in the show. Some people in this thread may not LIKE the explanations, but they are logical and consistent. The story makes sense, and has parallels in real life. There was even an actual high school teacher named Walter White who made and sold meth, and did not die from his involvement. I'm sure his case was way less extraordinary, but that's the point, isn't it? WW was an unnaturally smart character, with serious flaws. The story was about that conflict of character.

Nothing in the show meets the definition of plot armor. You may not like the explanations given, or maybe even the show. You may find them far fetched. But reasonable explanations were given. As in, A -> B = C (WW's pride gets him in a shit situation -> he's smart enough to just skate by out of it = he moves forward with the story). he is not given free passes because of his intellect-- his intellect is no match for his personality flaws in the end. All this means the term 'plot armor' does not apply.

Says the dog cock lover who thinks Big Bang Theory was a solid show.

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This is what 15 year olds actually believe

>A plot device used to safeguard the life and well-being of the main character if a story,
Okay
>used in an illogical way with no reasonable in-Universe explanation.
Ah. yah I really see 0 examples of this anywhere in Breaking Bad. All of his survivals were very logical and has explanations. The show spoonfeeds this at every turn.

Even the twins getting the text isn't plot armor. It's plot convenience. Yea Forums is full of retards. Stop using word you don't understand guys. You have Google at your fucking fingertips, use it.

Those were the ones I remembered.
How about letting him live after stealing millions from him so he can complete his arc by killing them and freeing jesse? One of them kill a kid like its nothing but they let him live because papa figure?
How about hank surviving against the twins? He gets a message and he waits until he is ambushed, if he didn't get a message he would have safely gone to his house because they weren't even close to him? This isj ust an example of how bad some of the writing on the show is, not just showing plot armor. If he didn't get the message the killers wouldn't even be close, thats just a plot hole, not even plot armor. Lol
Im sure you can remember a few more of his instances where he miracously survives and comes ahead just for the sake of the plot.

Luck also =/= plot armor. You REALLY don't know what plot armor means. get a grip.

You have google as well, I'll let you pick the definition that best suits you so you dont say i cherrypicked. Go on, Ill wait

well no i think bilbo actually does have plot armor

No.

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>All of his survivals were very logical and has explanations
Yep, they were. You may not think that those explanations were believable, but the explanations are there. Your subjective opinion is irrelevant-- you can call it a bad plot, you can say you don't believe it, you can say they're bad writers, but things like this could and probably have happened in real life. It's not outside of possibility, and not logically inconsistent. So it is therefore not plot armor.

who cares about bilbo lmao

Because it's ending was such crap, I'd say 2/10. The best people died because the writers made it so, not because it made sense. And skylar doesn't die. That alone makes it 4/10.

Thisbis my only actual problem with the show. EVERYONE can make pure meth. You cook it, you clean it, you're good. Getting pure product is not about skill, luck or magic, but abouz whether or not you clean it after synthesis

quads confirms WW has plot armor

>Oh shit a text message!
>yeah bros call off the execution, come back to the chicken joint ya here
>"yup, they were"
LMAO Breaking Babies are something else.

Luck can be plot armor, but only if done repeatedly, and in the absence of any sort of credible explanation. Like with the Anthropic Principle. BrBa doesn't do that, there's always a tangible explanation.

The wire is the only tv drama series I have ever watched more than one episode of.
everything else is garbage

What? Say something of note or value. What happened with the twins isn't plot armor. There are tropes and terms applied to media that have different meanings for a reason, you don't just choose one and slap it on whatever situation you think it applies to. That's being pants on head

It was one of the examples in the post the post I was responding to was responding to.

>Even the twins getting the text isn't plot armor. It's plot convenience.
it's not even convenience. It's a plot device to set up the interactions between Gus saving WW from the Cartel through Mike. it's an extremely quick way to introduce a lot of character interaction. It was actually done very well-- you the whole chain of motivation all in one place, and the likely possible outcomes.

You're a dense mofo. they didn't introduce that danger just to simply take WW out of it right quick. They introduced the danger specifically to have Gus remove it. It introduces the basis of the plot for season 3. The entire situation was not about the danger, but about someone else removing the danger. So no, it's not plot armor you raging retard.

Honestly whichever side is right I don't care, it's just hilarious to see a breaking bad thread on Yea Forums that's better than any Yea Forums Br Ba thread has been in months.

>it's plot armor because he BARELY survives!
Can you stop adding stuff to the definition of pot armor to pretend you have a point. You've doubled down like 20 separate time in this thread, you just keep working the definition of the word to fit your bullshit

I didn't see a good series posted yet. Here's the best.

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just passing through

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Saw breaking bad mentioned the first time here at the start of season 2. Would like to say thank you to whoever it was that posted that

>bickering over the definition of a term and how it applies to one character
>"""""good""" Br Ba thread
This really isn't any better than threads just shitting on Skyler or Mikeposting.

Not that funny

>A plot device used to safeguard the life and well-being of the main character if a story
This part is subjective as hell. It comes down to "do you think a chemistry teacher could survive this scenario or not". You either think so or you don't. If you do, you believe it's Plot armor saving him. if you don't you believe the rest of the definition applies.

TL;DR you can argue this forever because you can disagree and how the events played out in terms of realism and logic.

no, got so fucking bored of the show midway through season 3

unironically this

Sound like a faggot. What about Breaking Bad wasn't good to you?

Queen of the South. Best ever. I'm over 30 BTW

The plot, apparently.. Keeps armoring him.

>very well done
Almost everything the twin assassins did was some of the most generic cartoonish shit in the show. Though, I admit I never quite thought of it the way you just put it. I still think they were laughable cartoonish a lot of the time though. So happy when they got btfo.

>character is literally seconds, and one door opening away from being brutally axe murdered
>gets a text at the very last moment calling it off
>character lives due to that lone
It's plot armor, you nigger fucking schoolboy. None of the shit you mentioned actually applies to whether it's plot armor or not, all that stuff can apply and it can STILL be considered plot armor. Because that's exactly what it fucking is.

it's not as simple as any given element. it has to do with something that's very, very difficult to quantify. i feel like i'm on the verge of comprehending it, but it's still beyond me. there is a flow of value system and tonal change that is what really makes a good production. it's a dance of emotion and texture of perception.

it's very, very deep. most people are hacks. they think "we need something here" or even better, "we need something here that is pivotal, because we're following the 3-act structure and the first beat tried to prove something, and we're ready to develop the second beat 70% through but we need to turn... something or someone on its ear... it's 50% here.

that's still a hack. a true auteur knows how to make a symphony flow.

if you wanted one element, i can pick one, but it won't help you really learn or understand because you won't be able to decode WHY it doesn't work. it's just a feeling.

ok, how about the whole scene, which is wildly entertaining AND satisfying, where walt fucks with the meth head buying shit at the store, or the same place where he's getting his own water heater? those were trying really hard to pushy some tasty buttons and THEY WORK but they're total lucky "hack" writing.

i nearly have a philosophy degree and i wouldn't expect to be a good writer of screenplays until i ALSO get a psychology bachelor's AND go to real film school. i've tried to plot "graphs" of feels and vibes and value systems and relative meaning of "the sopranos"--i tried season 5 after seeing the series 20 times--but i don't have "it". tarantino doesn't either.

Thanks for letting us know of your shit taste user, we really cared!

I kept trying to tell myself they were some kind of synecdoche for some larger theme or purpose, but no. I think they were meant to be larger than life quirky badasses like Brother Mouzone or Anton Chirgurh. But they just came off as stupid autists.

Around the time they did the 'badass slow-mo walk away from thing exploding in the background' I began pacing around my room frantically, analyzing every scene with them and wondering whether or not Gilligan was merely pretending, merely pulling our legs making a 'wink wink nudge' sort of joke as if to say "u c wat I did there?"

To this day, I'm still not entirely sure

It’s slower but still great

Garbage show. Only 1 decent season.

Everything we're shown in the show leads us to believe he is using his smarts to get out of these situations. There isn't other ways to interpret it. This was clearly what was intended to be perceived. So it really comes down to you either watched the show, or you had your thumbs shoved up your ass during pivotal moments.

Damn nigga, I didn't expect that response. Well done.

>you both want him to succeed and fail,
Pretty much never wanted him to fail, expect when he was a massive pussy. Esp. with his "wife".

>random pic unrelated

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Better, sure, but the ending was still garbage.

Fucking this.

>tarantino doesn't either.
I don't give a shit about him but once upon a time actually looked interesting. I dn if I'm just not catching it but it doesn't look like a typical Tarantino film.

This show is such edgy dogshit.

I hate the ending for one reason. I feel like Deb ain't had to die. She wouldn't have told she might have kept going on a down ward spiral and eventually killed her self or got her self killed but she ain't had to die like that.

Luck is plot armor... there is no "luck" in a fabricated universe. Luck is literally plot armor
How can people be this stupid

>person kills in a show
>EDGY!
fuck off underage

Sopranos

nice write up
im logging off, this cookie shit is making me nervous

>cOmPlIcAtEd cErEaL kIlLeR

No it isn't you stupid moron. No where in any defintion for the concept of "Plo Armor" is luck mentioned. Read the thread you fucking idiot.
> there is no "luck" in a fabricated universe.
Yes there is you fucking dipshit, just because it's a story that was created by people does not mean there can't be 'luck' in the narrative structure or series of the show or movies events. "luck" can happen in books as well.

>how can people be this stupid
You tell us user. Dumbass

>if I dumb down the plot and dab at the caps lock button in greentext , I'll have a point!
There isn't anything "edgy" about it.

noun: luck

1.
success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

plot armor: "...an informal term referring to a character's unusual ability to survive infinite damage, due to their importance to the story."

>unusual
>brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

Repeated lucky events = plot armor

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>caps lock
Shift you mean?
phoneposter
discusting

it was good the last two seasons were meh and i just had to see how it ended

>there is no "luck" in a fabricated universe.
There is literally luck in almost every show or movie that has events or happenstance change at the very last second, at the culmination of rising tension. The pipe detaching and breaking near the final act of Taken, for instance isn't plot armor. Rey closing the bay doors and cutting of the monster tentacles and trapping it in another areas of the ship, barely saving Finn and herself, isn't "plot armor". But I bet you'd try to argue those instances were.

Anyway I don't care so much about addressing plot armor as addressing your stupid assertion that luck doesn't exist in a fictional narrative

At least I can spell. Also I'm not on a phone, idiot.

Luck in a narrative is not ALWAYS plot armor. You are fucking stupid.

No. Should have quit when they were ahead. Nobody else will agree cuz they didn’t see it but for me it was Rubicon on AMC. One season. I think it touched a few nerves . Surprised it was even made.