Why do right wingers hate the poor so much?

why do right wingers hate the poor so much?

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We don't. We're just smart enough to see that helping the poor requires knowledge/understanding of reality that doesn't conveniently fit on a bumper sticker or campaign slogan/soundbite. Socialists think they care about the poor, and they probably do, but not as much as whatever dumb normie shit they do all day, so they take whatever is shoved in their faces as gospel.

t. not even a conservative, just extremely anti-collectivism, so your dumb NPC ass would label me as one anyway

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Depends on what kind of "right-winger" you're talking about, most of those on the right and alt right are poor themselves, they don't hate the poor, they hate immigrants, whether they are rich or poor, those on the alt-right hate the rich Jewish elites because they fund the democratic party and want more immigration, these immigrants lower the quality of life for the poor and highten the quality of life for the rich, these immigrants work hard and for low wages, that is why the elites want more immigration.

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I don't think hatred of the poor is exclusive to right wingers. The global banking system is designed to create debt. Left and right wing politics aside, I don't believe anyone is attempting to change that fact in spite of poverty.

Socialists don't care to change it. Republicans don't care to change it. Democrats don't care to change it. Who you align yourself with is just choosing the lie you want to believe.

The left want to help the poor but, the right wants to stop them being poor. The left will help keep you down for political gain where as the right will make you achieve.

>Me tribe better den u tribe!

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Helping the poor truly requires a high iq. You see, not offering accessible education and affordable healthcare actually benefits them. We make more money and they have the choice to do what they want. It's simple math

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See you leftists dummies think you're so smart but you just oversimplify everything and suck AoCs cock.

(I'm not the user you replied to. Don't let my stupid cloud his smarts)

For example
Give illegal immigrants free healthcare!!!
>Why?
YOU RACIST!

>the right wants to stop them being poor. The left will help keep you down for political gain
Now how is a communist revolution where all the rich are robbed of everything they own and the poor receive it all, not stopping the poor being poor?

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>accessible education and affordable healthcare
this is that bumper sticker bullshit I was referring to. You can't just make these things fall out of a capitalist's ass, and it's retards like you constantly agitating for regulations that make these things harder to come by than they would be otherwise. We didn't have a medical crisis in this country before the govt shoved its dick into it. Same exact shit as what happened with student loans. Learn economics, nigger.

I'm not oversimplifying anything, I love that massive companies can benefit from the people of our country without having to help the society. God I love how hard working Americans are, isn't it amazing that you don't even need to take a vacation in America? It's really beautiful, and something all countries sould strive for. I love that everything is privatised too, there's money to be made everywhere

>Give illegal immigrants free healthcare!!!
>>Why?
Because we're already doing it expensively and badly?

Cuz Orange man is rich and they want to be like Orange man

>Give American citizens affordable healthcare
>REEEE COMMIES

I don't, I just think that they are probably poor because of mistakes they made in their life or are lazy.

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Post proof

Because doing that completely implodes society. The "poor" (read: bureaucrats claiming to help the poor) burn through all of that wealth within a few years. And the people ACTUALLY responsible for economic growth either leave, are shot, or sit back and take a check like everyone else. Again, if you actually knew anything about wealth generation, or even basic economics, you wouldn't say such stupid shit.

>Same exact shit as what happened with student loans.
LOL Student loan crisis is because 40 years ago boomers who weren't already rich enough that their parents were sending them to Yale, paid for college working part time at a car wash over the summer, the rest was subsidized by the state education budget.

It's not like most first world countries have these things, that'd be bizarre

cry more poorfag

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>Because doing that completely implodes society. The "poor" (read: bureaucrats claiming to help the poor) burn through all of that wealth within a few years. And the people ACTUALLY responsible for economic growth either leave, are shot, or sit back and take a check like everyone else.
Cool story

because they are lame.

Poor is a relative term. What happens is instead of having different classes to relate wealth, you instead have a bunch of broke mother fuckers with a ruling class elite. All you're doing is dragging down those working hard to get some free shit, but removing any possible upward movement in society. Stifling the spirit of innovation and progress because who cares about doing something interesting when you wont get credit or benefit from it? You're just a cog in a machine unable to ever be anything different. The true problem with the current capitalist system is greedy people ruining it and stifling upward movement by outsourcing and paying people a fraction of what they should be while exploiting their work for a heft gain. Greed is easier to deal with than the stifling of the human spirit unless all you're trying to do is subjugate people.

What? Are you saying these things aren't true? Americans love work

making everyone poor except for the corrupt politicians running things doesnt stop the poor from being poor

if you think bernie is a socialist you are a dumb dumb
SocDem =/= Socialist

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true. See communist states. It's illegal to make money except if you are a high ranking politician or amrmy officer.

>you instead have a bunch of broke mother fuckers with a ruling class elite.
As opposed to now?

Also side note, going back to a ruling class elite system isnt a modern solution, it's going backwards to failed "solutions" people tried already.

This pretty much.

That's not how communism works. It's all only theory and everytime it was put in to practice it ended in disaster. If you sacrifice liberty for equality you'll end up with none. If you sarcifce equality for liberty you'll end up with both.

Anti-Gommunism is a meme created to convince Boomers to walk in front of Vietnamese-speaking trees until they got their legs shot off so DuPont could sell more Agent Orange and napalm to the government.

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>If you sarcifce equality for liberty you'll end up with both.
Uh, why was there an American Revolution?

Traffic control. It's a crowded world, and the only way to keep scenic places quietly to yourself, if you have them, is if others are kept out by failure and or exclusion, however that's arranged.

How is this any different than what we have now?

>Protip:
It's not

He is a socialist. His policies prove otherwise. Social democracy embrace capitalism, bernie doesn't.

Capitalists have to deal with the immorality if their wealth in some way so to live with them self they have to believe that the earned it by them self and people who can't do the same is somehow less.

Makes sense.

Americans and their tendency to call everything on the left socialism is hilarious

bernie wants to socialize the means of production?
based

Subsidized health care is better than free health care. People like the American health care system because its quick to respond to those who can pay for a service. This is possible because of the money involved, but take that away and you're left with fewer doctors, more patients, and less funding for proper treatment. Look at Canada. Cool, free health care, but waiting years to get an operation could mean death. You shouldn't reward those who are lazy by taking away from those who are not. Get an education or a decent job and itll offer insurance. Otherwise you're asking for more government in a system that flourishes without it. Yes its expensive, but that's why it works well. Adding in government control means more red tape and endless hoops to jump through for the simplistic shit.

Why should we tax the rich more? They wouldn't have to contribute to the society they benefit from. Poor Billy would only make one billion instead of two billion dollars. Now he can't afford his new space station

Over simplifying things isnt an argument. Neither is an attempt and being snarky. Say something instead of just making noise in an attempt to sound intelligent. Sarcasm is a poor man's wit.

>Yes its expensive, but that's why it works well.
It doesn't though
beckershospitalreview.com/quality/among-11-countries-us-ranks-last-for-health-outcomes-equity-and-quality.html

>People like the American healthcare system
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I don't think we have to swing it that far the other way. Just lower the hyper-inflated costs of everything related to health care. Make it possible for people to receive care without losing everything. I'm not saying it's as easy as that, but it's a place to start.

>Over simplifying things isnt an argument.
That's a pretty ironic response.

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Im not american you dumb fuck. I actually in a country where we have social democracy. And guess what? The left still complain. The end game of left wing politics is disaster.

>I actually in a country where we have social democracy. And guess what? The left still complain.
And America is a right wing shithole where nobody bitches as much as conservatives, from underneath their pile of guns and bibles.

So many Kulaks in here

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Ya? Healthcare, education, businesses.

Because it's not and over simplifying it doesnt make it true. There's a middle class and the ability to get into low level government and change things through the democratic process, but people are so caught up with benign things like social media to be any use. You're nothing but chaf because you're satisfied to graze like an empty headed cow instead of fighting for what you want. No one should be rewarded for simply making noise.

You're just as bad as "they" are, because you only see things as Left and Right. Life is not as clear cut as that. A two party system will result in catastrophe eventually. And that's where we're headed now. The cycle repeats.

If you're not an American it's even more pathetic that you think Bernie is a socialist. People will always have things to complain about, the left isn't some evil force that inevitably kills everyone because Hans wants cheaper shampoo in stores

>nobody bitches as much as conservatives
There you go seeing it as a two sided issue again. Don't vote.

>Implying there's no socialist middle income tier

If you keep baiting that hard you're going to go blind.

>You're nothing but chaf because you're satisfied to graze like an empty headed cow instead of fighting for what you want.
No I'm fucking not you son of a bitch. How dare you leverage that kind of insult at me.

if you think public healthcare and government paid uni is all it needs for socialism, how come we're not having a cold war with europe right now

It is two sided. In whatever country you're from, there's probably some distinction between neoliberals and churchy traddy tory types. In America that effectively doesn't exist because they're all in the same rightist party.

This.

>surveying random people equates to 100% accuracy
Cherry picked results from a small sample size is what you take as fact? You're very short sighted.
Autistic screeching isnt an argument.

>Cherry picked results from a small sample size is what you take as fact? You're very short sighted.
You've offered no evidence of any kind for your argumentation, except "Muh Freedumbs".

Doubt it. More political parties make more things complicated. They will all either have left wing or right wing agendas anyway.

What part of subsidized didnt you understand?

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Because OP is poor and I hate OP. If OP was rich I’d hate rich people. If OP straight I would hate straight people. I hate anything associated with OP because he’s a faggot.

Memes aren't arguments, neither is your misunderstanding of the word ironic.

The only people that like the American healthcare system are rich people. You get fast and amazing treatment, it just isn't affordable at all. It is not a well respected system and the fact that you said people like it is hilarious. I'm just imagining an article about how much Bill Gates loves the American healthcare system

I'm starting a dialog, you're attempting to claim something as fact with at best shakey information. Now you're reducing yourself to being angry after being called out on your low quality sources.

Numerous factors. For starters European countries have low corporate tax rates and free enterprise. The university don't charge as much as American ones. And only the lower class people get grants to subside higher education.

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"Rich" or people with jobs that supply basic benefits like health care?

Out of curiosity, what are the questions that, when answered, determine one's political orientation?

I mean I hate what the radical left is doing with white genocide, but I don't agree with every immigrant being a ticking time bomb.
I believe abortion should be an available choice for women, free once, allowed AFTER psychological consultation and evaluation.
I want rapists to serve in jail, but I want proven false accusations to be charged harder than the worst rape.
I believe everyone with proper papers, evaluation, background check and all the shamwow may own a gun, but not that everyone actually needs to have one and using one in public without self-defense or by just open-carry should be means for arrest or being shot on spot by police officers.
I believe capitalism works better than socialism, but that it's not perfect either and that it's designed for maximum utilitarianism and productivity - as in the average Joe getting just enough pay to be unable to put any money into savings, yet still live without starving, just barely.

Because they're poor for a reason. Most poor people got themselves poor in the first plac. Shouldn't make such bad decisionsns.

why are americans so mad about a woman that can't even be president yet?

I'm saying it doesn't have to go completely government subsidized. It doesn't have to 100% shift away from the way it operates now, just reduce costs to fall more in line with the vast majority of people using the system, and to help include more of those who are close to being within reach of health care, but would otherwise lose everything should they get sick. One more time, don't see it as so two sided.

Still no proof.

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Bernie is against anything that creates wealth. Social democrats arent. He's full of false unrealistic promises. Best one yet is increasing minimum wage and income tax. Man is a clown and a commie dressed as a social democrat or liberal.

Thing is, she appears to care about people. That's all.

>Bernie is against anything that creates wealth.
Citation needed.

Please point to me where people are praising the American healthcare system. Most jobs don't just supply healthcare, and if they do it's a joke. Have fun paying copay and then forking out another million dollars for your medication, corporate americuck

Rich. Jobs that supply health care benefits see the cost of those benefits, premiums and deductibles rise year after year, doctors and networks change, basically all the hits on socialized medicine, but expensive and revocable.

>White genocide

white genocide is a neo-nazi conspiracy theory
abortion is a tricky issue, you're quite resonable by Yea Forums standards
false accusations being worse than a crime is madness, it's libel instead of life threatening assault
being shot for open carry is a bit harsh don't you think?
both capitalism and soviet style socialism have their issues, at least you're not gobbling up anything that porky says
still,
>white genocide
stop believing obvious lies user, the rest of your views are pretti gud

Most poor people are poor because they are criminals who are punished by being poor.

He wants to heavily tax corporations which isn't possible because they simply invest their profits back into the business before they declare the profits they choose to realise. Also people will move their businesses if they see high taxation coming. He supports heavy regulation and heavy taxes on small businesses and making it difficult to employ with his extremely high minimum wage which only favours giant corporations. He's against the oil industry and supports open borders with welfare. Only the working class will suffer.

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>High debt
>Low interest rate
Panicking over this situation

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imagine being this brainwashed
so are you a wasteful hedonistic idiot or in the 1%, user?

right, because interest rates always stay low...

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>what is inflation

keep in mind trump is still in office and only in year 4

It's not like all of those systems in those countries are imploding and will be forced to privatize within a century anyway. That would be information that isn't offered on this facebook page I follow with 5 million likes while thinking I'm a maverick.

>It's not like all of those systems in those countries are imploding and will be forced to privatize within a century anyway
[citation desperately fucking needed]

With white genocide I mean the forced multiculturalism in accordance to sucking Merkel's asshole pubes and people calling the white devils. I did mention them being left radicals/extremists.
Regarding false accusations about rape; I believe that justice should stand for justice and nothing less. If someone wants to make a farse out of the belief of balance stemming from the whole of humanity just to get revenge or undo regrettable actions or cry wolf, then there should be an appropriate punishment for it in such a way that they would think twice about it. In my mind it's the same as being patted down by a police officer, you're not lying and got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.
Being shot for open carry might be a bit much at the beginning, you're right there...but similar laws do exist in the US as far as I'm aware, on a country basis.
It seems like people are threatened just by seeing one holstered and my solution would be to implement a social view that'd consider showing guns in public areas to something akin to holstering a footlong pink dildo...or something like smoking in Japan. In a sense of mental gymnastics, if you'll excuse me here, to exchange the fear behind it for something else and potentially more averting than the taste of power (over-represented by hip hop and rap) so that people who actually need what guns bring with them are the only ones who'd have one... Gun-shaming might be the wrong word for it, but I guess that's it?

The solution is simple:
>Induce artificial inflation
>Pay denbts
>Revert inflation
>????
>Profit

>Revert inflation
burn money?

Genocide isn't the word you're looking for. As for America, a country that was founded by immigrants, with a very strong history of immigrants from everywhere. It's funny that people act like this is something new and awful that is ruining the country. White people are not in danger, there is no such thing as white genocide

They mostly ARE the poor and still hate the poor.

>why
They are either not poor or proud bootlickers

>not even a conservative, just extremely anti-collectivism, so your dumb NPC ass would label me as one anyway

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I love it when anti-rich nouveau-socialists are so pro-open borders. Immigration has been the primary tool of the rich to uncut the value of labor since the beginning of the industrial age. Being pro-open borders is being anti-labor and anti-socialist.

Just do about 15 minutes of google-fu, you lazy socialist.

The "healthcare crisis" exists in every single western nation.

Also, in case you didn't know:
>America's healthcare system is just as socialized as European countries'--moreso in some cases.
Half of all medical spending in the US is done by the govt. We haven't had a free market healthcare system in nearly a century, so you look fucking retarded when you blame muh capitalism on our problems. You fags have been blaming muh capitalism for over a century, and it's the politicians who used your ignorant bleating as levers to gain power that caused all the problems we have today.

lmao fucking clockwork

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calling someone you disagree with an npc doesnt mean you are a free thinker.

Its gayest way to end an argument

Nigger all he did was call me a Trump supporter. Stop pretending that I was responding to an argument. You are NOT the coherent side of the economic debate. You are literally young earth creationist tier.

1%
- dang these environmentalist wont let me develop my buissness, why cant they just turn a blind eye to these ecosystems I am destroying, time to manipulate my faithful bootlickers to faight against science

-dang 80% of my money doesnt originate from my labour and my workers get only 30% percent from their labour, why cant communists understand that my life is so hard.

-the market cant be regulated by the government, thats why I own a billion dollar company and have my workers living mens at the reach of my hand

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anarcho-capitalism is a contradiction

We help the poor by giving them an incentive to stop being poor.

living means*

ok, fag

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>social anarchism requires a state
>capitalism doesnt require a state

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Socialism is gay
youtu.be/grfon1T7jAk

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Any anarho capitalist revolution would be contradicted by actual capitalists, you are literally taking their only way to regiter and protect their private property

register*

>hey guise, let's smash all social hierarchies except that one, cuz i got money!

We don't, everything you know is wrong

>social "anarchism"
>group has moral claim over the individual
>this will somehow not result in the formation of an arbitration body that puts its own interests above those of the individual members of society
stay blue pilled, dumbass.

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Good joke bootlicker

anarchy
a - no

archos - rulers

You are not being oppressed by the captain of your football team, retard.

>you are not being oppressed by capitalists, especially if they can do whatever the fuck they want

>blue pilled
yeah simplify a political ideology that is soch a red pillthingto do man

There is no arbitration body because the workers syndicate can only survive with the help and support of the workers, every workers syndicate is imdepedent from any organization, they are self sufficient as long as there are orkers involved in its development

anarchy:the destruction of all unjustified hirearchies

such*

>b-but capitalist hierarchie is justified!!11! muh NAP!!!

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lmao. keep being retarded, commie.
youtu.be/b7Q09IkJjXc

any hierarchy where people voluntarily enter and leave at will is justified, because the opposite is to enslave them against their will to organize how YOU want them to.

inb4
>work or starve
that is the most childish non-point you people base your bullshit on.

>implying the Capitalist-Worker dynamic is voluntary

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oh he embraces the shit out of capitalism, socialism didnt pay for his multimillion dollar houses

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>Hello. Would you like to work for me?
>No.
>Ok, have a good one.
Pretending this isn't voluntary because you weren't born with the ability to grow your own food on your back doesn't make it so. You are not being oppressed by biology, you 15 year old moron.

That has what to do with what I said?

yeah let me lean my whole argument on some anpac youtubers video!

Im such a free thinker, if you disagree with me you are commie. Its not delusion neither insecurity, I just cant think for myself thats all

Btw capitalists are rulers, even by his retarded and incorrect view of what anarchy is capitalism still contradicts it.

ancap

-Heey this is the onli company in my village if by 16 I dont start working here my family will starve
3 years later
-Ive had enough with my job, I work the same hours and my boss keep making my wage smaller for his own profit
guess Ill just leave right? Its so easy to put my whole family at risk of starvation because I am being exploited, pff comunists

Nice fantasy, retard. I can make up any bullshit scenario to fit my ideology, too

How the fuck, without state support, does a company become the single employment opportunity in an entire region, unless it's offering a better deal than whatever alternatives do exist?

The hilarious truth: if you went down to that village and started agitating for 'workers rights,' those workers would probably beat you to death with sticks, because even a 75 IQ tribesman is more economically savvy than the average western socialist.
youtu.be/wTuw8Pyssbg

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I will concede I missed the "unjustified" part of your definition. Yeah, i agree with that. Problem is, assuming youre a collectivist, to you slavery is justified while voluntary trade that results in inequal material outcomes is not.

how about ISPs, they have local monopolies already, good luck making them give it up

trade is not voluntary if you need the goods someone else owns, like food and water

They were given local monopolies by govt, who coerce any potential competitors out... Really? ISPs? That's like absolute entry level shit. ISPs are a prime example of what govts do to markets, yet you people constantly shill them like they formed under laissez-faire.

>local monopolies
a)
there can't be a monopoly of something if you have to speak of it in plural
b)
no ISP has any "local monopoly". even if some of them do not offer physical connectivity in certain regions, nothing keeps you from going UMTS, LTE or straight up satellite.

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Umm, yes it is. It literally is. If I have 50 people offering me food, and I choose to buy from one of my own volition (biological needs notwithstanding), it's voluntary. Those people growing food in no way took it out of your mouth. They have something. If you want it, you can negotiate for it. It would only be involuntary in a scenario where all other options were kept from you. Insofar as people are prevented from growing their own food, it's the state that erects such regulatory barriers. But in 99% of cases, no one wants to go through the effort. It's called division of labor, and it's beautiful.

the JQ is a spook designed to distract you from the porkies, dumbass

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point taken. but they do have monopolies in certain regions and duopolies/oligopolies in others, all of which are a product of govt.

>Nice fantasy, retard.
It's literally the entire states of Kentucky and West Virginia. If you don't work at the mine, or if your mine has closed, you're either a cop or a junkie.

cause they're fucking stupid. otherwise they wouldn't be poor.

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>Insofar as people are prevented from growing their own food, it's the state that erects such regulatory barriers.
Private property prevents most people from growing their own food.

>but they do have monopolies in certain regions
tbh, I never heard of a region that is serviced by only a single ISP.
And as soon as there are 2 (or more), there is competition and consumer choice.

please never look into who the porkies overwhelmingly are, lad.
I don't need comrades as low IQ as you appear to be.

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>Immigration has been the primary tool of the rich to uncut the value of labor since the beginning of the industrial age.
The other half of that you're leaving out is that if the immigrants join the same union as the natives, there's no negative effect on wages.

why not rent it then from the private owner?
seriously, there is enough land left for grabs, if you pay for it, and if you can't, you certainly can't pay for the necessary maintenance of the land you wanna rent, either.

>please never look into who the porkies overwhelmingly are, lad.
Yeah just rook at arr da rich kikes from Seoul to Shanghai to Kuara Rumpur

>why not rent it then from the private owner?
With what?

>seriously, there is enough land left for grabs, if you pay for it
Why would you pay for unused land?

retard
national socialism is still socialism
enjoy the party elite fucking you over, like they did in the 3rd reich.
also, guess who first banned privately held guns in germany. Hint: it weren't Wilhelm, nor Bismarck.

>national socialism is still socialism
>muh leftist hitler
oh no, it's retarded

with the money you earn.
preferably from honest work or opening your own business.

it wasn't hitler either, except for jews

>unused
usage doesn't determine ownership.

"hey, I've seen you're not using your car right now random stranger 0815, let me take it to drive to the next state."

potheads...

These are people so fucking poor they're growing their own turnip patch, and "Why don't dey just pay rent oudda dere trust fund?" Jesus fuck, you people

>usage doesn't determine ownership.
Uh huh, now tell me why the Cherokees were unfit to possess all that prime cotton land.

>nazi
>calls others comrade
Nazbol Gang or just retarded?

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>There is economic disparity and usury in capitalist countries Shlomo is still in the early stages of subverting, so please ignore the massive overrepresentation of the tribe among capitalists and usurers wherever they are found.
>Instead focus on my kosher critique of capitalism centered on appearing to pander to workers interests while supporting an internationalist, third-worldist open borders platform which is complete anathema to real working class interests and is supported by all fortune 500 companies and investment banks.

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If an area's single employment opportunity is a mine, humans should migrate the fuck elsewhere. But we both know you're talking absolute distended horse rectum.

Let's assume it's true:
>Some bumfuck nowhere full of hillbillies
>A mine sprouts up
>Everyone flocks to the area for better pay from the new employer
>mine dries up
>commies blame the guy who injected untold sums of capital into a previously-derelict area because he could't somehow get blood from a stone

As established, your scenario is bullshit. But even if it were true, that mine owner did nothing but give a bunch of hillbillies gainful employment for a while, and I'm supposed to look at him as a villain because you're dumb enough to think Cornel West is smart.

>has no idea about the history of national socialism
>still worships it
topkek
oh, it was hitler, if you like it or not:
de.wikisource.org/wiki/Waffengesetz_(1938)

Funny how the nazis did fear their own population...

>These are people so fucking poor
stop being poor then.
even flipping burgers would be better than calling for gibbus

even the ones that have jewish ancestry aren't practicing jews
now tell me, are they serving some ethereal connection to their quarter-jewish buddies, or just acting in the self interest of a capitalist?

because they couldn't defend it.
that's how war works.

>also, guess who first banned privately held guns in germany for jews and bolsheviks
ftfy

>that mine owner did nothing but give a bunch of hillbillies gainful employment for a while
Plus poison the land and water, remove a few mountaintops, give a lot of the same hillbillies black lung.

Oh so I can just shoot the landlord? Now you're coming around, comrade.

i'm not the nazi, i'm laughing at some retard saying hitler was left wing
probably the dumbest narrative american conservatives have right now
>Waffengesetz of 1938
funny thing is, it absolutely allows the population to be armed, you just need an easily aquirable permit
jews couldn't get that permit ofc

socialism isn't left or right
Hitler absolutely was a socialist of the right.
Your utopia was literally buying trucks for the tires and scrapping the rest because of rubber shortages caused by your collectivist faggotronix.

usually both, retard

kek

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since you aren't a nation, and therefore can't legally declare war, all you can do is commit murder, and if you do, Tyrone will enjoy the new cock-sleeve.

>Shlomo's in the early stages of subverting red China
>Shlomo is le Gommunist
LOL

>socialism isn't left or right
imagine being this retarded

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op is an idiot and a fag

>allows the population to be armed to resist state tyranny
>the state determines who can and cannot carry
This is why we call you socialists. You're fucking retards like them.

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LOL The majesty of "The Nation"

>i'm laughing at some retard saying hitler was left wing
I said he was a socialist.
if you identify left wing with socialism, that's oin you pal.
and yes, left and right extremism is basically the same. authoritarian bullshit.

if you were looking for anarchism or corporatism, you'd need to look at the liberal side of the spectrum.

socialism: govt control of the mop
left - egalitarian, globalist, libertine
right - hierarchy, localist, conservative

socialism is a method. If you sincerely think right wing socialism isn't a thing, YOU'RE the boomer-duped NPC.

see
imagining never having heard of the political compass,and still trying to argue politics.
You sound like an airhead to everyone but yourself.

you said banned privately owned guns, then i refuted it, then you moved the goalpost to le armed resistence. good job retard
also, no country in the world makes it's populace able to resist the govt
do you think american hillbillies with ARs have any chance against the fucking US army?

rightwingers believe in an inherent human hierarchy, that some people are better than others through some natural order of things. This kind of thinking has a way of integrating itself into every civilization and fucks the majority of people while managing to convince the stupid ones to fight against their left leaning countrymen.

>and yes, left and right extremism is basically the same. authoritarian bullshit.
>horseshoe
and these people call others retards

>left - egalitarian, globalist, libertine
>right - hierarchy, localist, conservative
"What is Imperialism?" The Post

jewishjournal.com/news/world/179731/
also
in terms of modern academia, yes. They are trying to get a handle on the narrative and perception of jews and the holocawwwst etc in China. You can see all kinds of recent articles about kikes popping up in Chinese universities for precisely this purpose.

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>no country in the world makes it's populace able to resist the govt
except the 2nd amendment literally states this as reason for allowing its populace to be armed...
do you even constitution, idiot?

>and these people call others retards
refute the horse-shoe.
I'm waiting (and keep believing you're an airhead) until you do.

They had a Communist Revolution beginning 90 years ago with total control of the country for the last 70, you say Communism is by its nature Jewish, but that the Jews are just now getting around to "corrupting" the country that they've been in control of for most of the last century?
You are special pleading and your historical argument is worthless.

sure it may say that, have you stopped reading afterwards? there is no way in the world a mob of people with ARs is gonna stop the US military

you don't even politics, do you?

I didnt move shit, because I'm not that other guy.

Also, the whole point of popular gun ownership is to resist tyranny, so if you frame it within a state-managed system, you are self-owning.

Also also: lmao at nazis demonstrating exactly who they are by saying the SAME EXACT SHIT as left liberals. Literally using this fucking pic on a right winger and you faggots say socialism is exclusively left.

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That's hilarious, because the Chinese do not give one shit about the holocaust and never will. Their own nation was founded on the mass murder, imprisonment, and starvation of its own people to the tune of well over 60 million.

Trying to get sympathy out of the Chinese for the holocaust is almost like trying to get sympathy from a professional mma fighter because someone punched you once.

woops meant for guess im the brainlet

>there is no way in the world a mob of people with ARs is gonna stop the US military
and how does the intention of the law does change?
you made a retarded claim, I refuted it.
Just because this law isn't up to date anymore (give everyone a tank, lol), it's intention and philosophical point doesn't change.

These are all sloganeering buzzwords popular at the moment with politicians, but of course hierarchical globalist capitalism has been the order of the world for at least the last 400 years.

Bill Clinton literally sold all US missile testing information to China including nuclear bombs
Before Bill Clinton China was a 0% threat
Before Bill Clinton China was nothing
Bill Clinton did a bunch of evil shit to make ends meet

>you say Communism is by its nature Jewish
I didn't say that faggot.
But its largely true, just as capitalism is by its nature jewish.
>"corrupting"
I never used that term either, you really seem to want to strawman and not engage what I actually say.
Communism rots the body, but liberalism rots the soul. The modern PRC is not really either of these things.

left: status quo is shit because of exploitation of labor, capitalism and imperialism
right: status quo is shit because jews and immigrants. also gays. err i meant "culture becoming degenerate"
they are only similar in the vague sense that they oppose neolib democracy

if it has no bearing on reality, what worth does the philosophical drivel behind the law have?
again, no country in the world allows it's citizens to violently resist the govt

>kosher critique of capitalism
>I didn't say that faggot.
Yeah you fucking did.

>hierarchical globalist capitalism
what makes it hierarchical, and why are people like elon musk and bill gates prove you wrong merely by existing?

that were just their motivation, now compare their solutions.

Chinese generally don't give a shit about their own people outside of their clan, let alone some whiny jewish fable.
That doesn't mean the jews aren't trying to project their kosher narrative of the image of jewishness and a jewish persepective on history on the Chinese pysche.

>Yeah you fucking did.
where?

The whole point of good philosophy is that it DOES relate to reality, you knuckledragging materialist.

1+1=2 is literal philosophy. You can reject it if you want. But you won't get very far.

see
again, the US does, if it can be demonstrated that the government acted tyrannical. And the way in which the constitution is formulated ensures that getting rid of it will ALWAYS be a clear sign for beginning tyranny.

>and why are people like elon musk and bill gates prove you wrong merely by existing?
??? Elon Musk is a South African born son of a Mine owner, I could not pick a better example of the fruits and ongoing benefits of the Imperialist order. And Bill Gates rose from the ranks of the American Ivy League WASP upper middle class to the rank of billionaire. Also not much of a stretch socially.

Get historical, get properly educated and stop believing in volkisch woo woo romance bullshit.

you are such a little faggot lol. Me saying your critique of capitalism is kosher does not make it "jewish by nature", although it undeniably IS.
It makes it acceptable to the captialist centered half of the kosher sandwich. You shill for open borders and the destruction of the family and career focused women and homosexuality and other pozz.
These are all things the capitalist class sorely want, they are all things which hurt working class interests and allow for wage depression and higher (((profit))).
The only true socialism is grounded in Nationalism

>UGH LIKE EDUCATE YOURSELF: the post.

took me 5 seconds on google
themodernrogue.com/articles/2018/8/16/5-millionaires-who-started-out-homeless-and-broke
seriously, have you ever double-checked your outlandish claims?

Exactly 180 degrees wrong. Have somebody qualified do it, because you're obviously prone to lazily watching YouTube shit in lieu of writing papers and stretching yourself mentally.

How does it feel to be a radical liberal LARPing as a revolutionary, bourgie?

>These are all things the capitalist class sorely want, they are all things which hurt working class interests and allow for wage depression and higher (((profit))).
Really? How does having a gray market workforce of uncomplaining impoverished slaves hurt the capitalists? If they were legal, they could complain and assert their rights. All Paddyrollers have ever done is keep the slaves in line and working for nothing.

>themodernrogue.com
I'm never going to not laugh that you consider this a source for argument.

How about we just don't have mass immigration, which destroys the labour market in favour of (((porky)))
The idea of mass immigration or amnesty for illegal invaders is completely antithetical to working class interests, its why Cesar Chavez was completely against immigration and his brother ran private border patrols to beat the shit out of wetback border jumpers.

I love how whenever the white working class tries to organize or advocate for their interests you come down with the boot on their throat for your rich jewish swine overlords

>How about we just don't have mass immigration, which destroys the labour market in favour of (((porky)))
The problem is that there's a labor "market". If you accept that labor is a commodity to be sold, you have no moral case to make it more expensive. You have to appeal to racial-nationalist unprovable voodoo while simultaneously arguing for materialist market reasoning.

>I love how whenever the white working class tries to organize or advocate for their interests
Are you talking about the billionaire who uses the Mexicans to maintain his golf courses and sew his suits?

dude, I don't care what you would laugh about or not.
you have clearly demonstrated a lack of reason, and regurgitate nothing that I couldn't read in a marxist party leaflet, too.

your homewok will be to write down your sincerely held beliefs, than opening google, and putting them under academic scrutiny. Clearly an easy task for someone who claims to be anything else but a brainlet.
Step two will be to take any discrepancies you've found (and there will be a lot), to the people who indoctrinated you in the first place to ask them for their opinion on their findings.
Then you have 2 options: get on your kneels and suck their balls like the dormant little puppy you're right now, or speak up your mind and dare to disagree.

Until then, you're just a waste of time, since you could be replaced with literally any other propaganda broadcast.

>your homewok will be to write down your sincerely held beliefs, than opening google, and putting them under academic scrutiny.
>Google is academic scrutiny
Still fucking laughing!

>unprovable voodoo
Funny how so many men have been willing to die for this "unprovable voodo" which is an extension of our biological drive to further our genes and those of our tribe.
The reason you are merely the other half of the kosher sandwich is that you deny the existence of such things and merely materialize and commodify every aspect of life, just as the capitalist does. A worker is not merely a unit of input and output to be commodified for his labour or given a share of the means of production his labour is put into.
A worker is a man with a family and a history and a racial and spiritual identity. He is connected with the land on which he lives and his ancestors who lived and died developing and defending that land. He has a sense of volksgemeinschaft. He is not merely a substitutable unit which can be transplanted to another land with the same results, provided he owns a share of the means of production.
This is what you people fail to understand, and this is why you will never win.

>Google is academic scrutiny
said no one ever.
I doubt that you could navigate even an public libraries' index properly, but if you believe you can, be my guest.
just don't make the mistake to just seek out the authors who'd disagree with a Marxist worldview.

>disagree
agree
fix'd

Fucking baste

Did not read the rest of the thread and will not ever do so

>This is what you people fail to understand, and this is why you will never win.
while you are right, national socialists do not believe this, either. They hold these principles up, yes, but only as lip-service. They are happy to eliminate every trace of individuality, as soon as it comes in conflict with party policy. They are just more secretive about it, since it contradicts them. Hence propaganda and secret police.

and that is why the far right won't win, either.

you didn't miss anything

You are retarded, lad. And you continue to misunderstand my position, probably willfully.
I don't hold "individuality" up as a virtue at all. Gegen mein itstuts fur eignen nutz.
The irony of you accusing me of "materialist reasoning" is beyond rich.

Lazzy, ignorant, not making social webs, not being someone successful people can stant to be around, mental, not being humble, not willing to learn, can't put in the time it takes to compound effort, making excuses, can't break away from your shity family or friends, not able to be self reliant, keep yourself in shity situations, addicted to the internet...... these things and plenty more make people poor and stupid.

I'm 26 and I'd have to be a dumb mother fucker to not be making over 100k in the next 4 years. I have to bust my ass but it pays off knowing my children won't t grow up like I did. I don't leave anything off to magic if I'm curious. I learn about it till I understand it and move on to learning something else. Knowlege is power. I'm a welder for those who are curious of what I do.

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have fun making 40k for the rest of your life

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>Gegen mein itstuts fur eignen nutz.
dude, I'm german and have not the slightest clue about what you want to say.

Gegen mein ??? für Eigennutz.
what is the word in the middle?

also, yes you're quite clearly not an individualist, which is why you'll fail in your endeavors.
I hoped that you'd understand at least that much.

>Socialists think they care about the poor, and they probably do,
Not really. It's selfish empathy. They see something that makes them feel bad, and feel compelled to do something about it. But it's not about helping the poor, it's about making themselves feel better, so they do the absolutely minimum necessary, like posting a tweet or writing a check. Notice how all the things they celebrate are nice leisurely activities, like walking in a protest. They don't celebrate people who regularly volunteer in homeless shelters, clean up shit, or other icky dirty things. It's also why they're highly resistant to means-testing, because it's now about whether what they're doing works, it's about being feeling good about what they're doing, regardless of efficacy.

In a fab shop, not doing that.

>I'd have to be a dumb mother fucker to not be making over 100k in the next 4 years.
Congrats, 25K/year is quite an accomplishment given your intellectual capabilities

because everyone who earns less than the top 1% are subhuman animals who need to be eradicated. although, that also includes me, the death squads will know i'm cool and let me go. if we kill everyone who's poor, we will all be rich. that's basic math, that i failed.

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gegen mein itstuts für eigenen nutz
"The good of the many over the good of the one"
I might be spelling it wrong but I'm not surprised you haven't heard of the concept, considering the extent to which your legal and education systems have been tailored by the paranoid enemy to try and destroy all trace of the only ideology which threatened their power.

Are we supposed to know what the colors mean?

fascism is for the volk. Fuck the commies, capitalist pigs and gas the kikes

That's one of best graphics I've seen on Yea Forums

> It's selfish empathy
oxymoron.
either it's a selfish need to appear good in the eyes of others, or their empathic, honest effort to help, because their empathy at least allows them to understand how they wouldn't like to live, and project these feelings on people who are actually in such situations (without having the faintest about how to help them effectively)

but since you're not a psychic, you can't know, and therefore it's just prejudice on your part, serving your selfish need to feel better / wiser / more knowledgeable than them.
...which is basically you trying to appear good in the eyes of those you'd actually respect.

Congratulation, you're what you complain about, dipshit. - a totally normal human being.

that's just socialism with extra steps

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i'm a norwegian, and here, bernie would be considered a pretty run of the mill politician. is norway a soviet dictatorship?

fuck you. scandinavia is the new soviet union.

wow. socialism is pretty fucking great then. if all the best countries in the world are socialists, then that socialism is wonderful.

As a general rule, you should expect humans to hate whoever they can openly hate without any kind of negative consequence.

>is norway a soviet dictatorship?
>here, bernie would be considered a pretty run of the mill politician

You answered your own question.

I wonder where you are from that you think this. I've made the 25k you speak of in just over 2 months this year. I pay more in taxes a week that what more people around me make in a month.

"Gemeinnutz über Eigennutz"
would be both the correct translation of your englisch sentence, and somewhat resembles that letter-salad.

dude, I'm actually hated by the left, since I stopped to buy into todays guilt-culture in germany.
I even vote AfD, to stick it to the social darwinists in our Bundestag.
Still I don't give 2 craps about collectivism, regardless if it's proposed by the right, or left.

And btw, "Gemeinnutz über Eigennutz" is usually only upheld by the ones who're not currently asked to throw their life away for the nation.
Because that's who'd you threw it away for. Not for your family, not for your neighbors, not even for the officer who'd be ready to execute you on the spot if you didn't.
You'd throw it away for the nation that indoctrinated you and your peers to be ok with it, so they can hide behind their cultivated zealots.

You'd really just be a tool, if that concept were implemented in your society.

Except I actually explained how to spot selfish empathy, without using psychic powers. It doesn't last, it goes for the superficial over the lasting, and it hates criticism because it prioritizes that immediate satisfaction over real long-term effects.

Therefore all your assertions are baseless.

I have a lot more respect for sympathy than empathy, because empathy is just feeling bad because others feel bad. If you make a token gesture, or the trigger drops out of sight, it's appeased. But sympathy involves putting yourself in someone's else's shoes, and thus isn't appeased until you actually fix the problem instead of making it disappear.

>I don't understand sarcasm

>selfish empathy
again, oxymoron.
just because you keep using it, it doesn't get anymore valid.

>Therefore all your assertions are baseless.
you realise that you just repeated my comment up to that point, right?
nothing became baseless just because of you agreeing with me.

>
I have a lot more respect for sympathy than empathy
doesn't matter, since both have valid uses and are useful traits to posses in the right situations.
you trying to eliviate one above the other basically reinforces the point previously made about you: self-gratifying behavior, exactly the same as you'd complain about when perceived in others.

Thats my point. Even IF they did, it would be futile.

because I used to be poor, and I know 95% of poor people are retards and make horrible life choices

>you realise that you just repeated my comment up to that point, right?
Nope, not even a little. I refuted your comments, so you switched to making false meta claims because you don't have an substantive argument.

And learn what oxymoron means. It's not a fallacy, or a criticism. It's a literary tool, a way of presenting or describing concepts that are apparently contradictory, but are not. Two words in apparent opposition creates a dynamic tension, and can be an effective way to highlight a point.

I can't stand to be around my old friends because of how stupid they are. The best time I have with people is finding a cool wise old guy to talk to when I'm bored somewhere.

wtf I love being an atomized individual with no connection to anything deeper than my personal consumerist choices, while my people get demographically replaced by third world invaders now!

>Nope, not even a little.
Well, if we can't even agree on objective reality anymore, I guess we're done here.
Waste the time of someone else.

Clearly you don't know about german politics, else you wouldn't address that pointless sarcasm at an AfD voter.
But hey, thx for trying to sound edgy.
Maybe you can try to trigger a leftist or two with it.
>basic bitch tribalism, lol

Same
They all live pay check to pay check, have a different car every 2 weeks and smoke ciggies, weed and get drunk every night. Not saying there’s an issue with doing that, but expect to be poor if your job barely covers that lifestyle.
And I am a superior to the one friend I also work with so now he dislikes the site manager because he “favourited” me

>Well, if we can't even agree on objective reality anymore,
Your unsupported opinions are not objective reality.

Your ignorance of the proper use and meaning of common literary terms like "oxymoron" is objective fact, tho.

I take a wider view user. I admittedly know little about the specifics of German politics, but you clearly haven't thought these things out from a more holistic perspective if you are shilling for individualistic lolbergism.
Human beings are a tribalistic species, and if you declare yourself to "not being playing the game", you just lose by default.
If you really want to reject the guilt your enemies pile on you, embrace nationalism and love your people.

is that a yes? are we the new soviet?

You know something, Toto? I don't think we're in Yea Forums any more,

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>I take a wider view user.
...wide view
>I admittedly know little about the specifics of German politics
...and little detail.
Yes, that much was obvious.

> but you clearly haven't thought these things out from a more holistic perspective
I did, but arrived at different conclusions.
And I'm not "shilling" for anything, since no one pays me to express my held opinions.

>Human beings are a tribalistic species
Incorrect, but close.
We are a social species, reliant on community and social exchange. Still we very well thrive, even if we oppose group-spirit, and are not biologically inclined to agreeableness. Hence our young rebel naturally, to find their own way in life, instead of submitting to family patriarchs, and in those cultures who do, only strong repercussions protect from these customs to fall appart.
And these patters translate from family-units into social circles, into local groups, into regional groups, and even into the composure of whole nations.
Hence it takes violence and authoritarian force to unite a nation under a single drive, since a group of people naturally tends to disagree and argue, instead of shutting up and pulling on the same string when not kept in check.

>If you really want to reject the guilt your enemies pile on you
Then I will simply do so, as I did before, and as I didn't need to embrace a specific ideology to do so back then, I won't need one in the future, too.

travel back to a time when this was Yea Forums

You would come off as slightly less obnoxious if you refrained from reddit spacing.
One doesn't need to be well versed in German politics to know (((AfD))) is shit-tier controlled opposition. Also foreigners not knowing shit about your domestic political situation is no indictment against them and inserting that as some qualification for discussion as you tried to do belies your arrogance.

>It doesn't exist because word makeup makes it seem contradictory
>if we can't even agree on objective reality anymore

Dude, you're a fucking moron.

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imagine being that retarded

What extra steps bootlicker

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Sorry, but not sorry.
I don't even have a reddit account, so I don't have the faintest about what "reddit spacing" is.

Also, I do not really care about your opinion on the AfD, when you didn't even knew what they stood for 2 posts ago, and likely had to google them in the meantime, to come up with any sort of criticism.

The point of all this drivel still stays:
You have but one opinion, and no monoploy on the truth. Your solutions might work for your kind of people, but you do not hold any greater insight into human nature than me (and nor do I) or anyone else in this thread.

If you have little to no knowledge about the politics of a nation, simply don't comment on it. Because if you do, it doesn't take arrogance to call out your bullshit.

And yes, one would expect to be well versed in a given nations politics, if one attempted to call out one of its parties as "controlled opposition". And I'm pretty sure you'd agree there, if you weren't throwing a hissy-fit right now.

-t. pic related
Imagine not know what reddit spacing is.

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you are such an obnoxious little fag lol, I didn't comment on your gay political situation, you inserted that as something relevant which it never was.

kraut is a wannabe-intellectual leftist.
and since he trows regular hissy fits on the afd too, we both can be sure that nothing I just tried to explain to you would find much of his agreement. despite his claims to be a "free thinker", he has his head far up in our leftists' culture.

It's a shame. I see it a lot. Can only think in the now.

so, you suffer from dementia?

>dude, I'm german
>I'm not surprised you haven't heard of the concept, considering the extent to which your legal and education systems have been tailored by the paranoid enemy to try and destroy all trace of the only ideology which threatened their power.

>dude, I'm actually hated by the left, since I stopped to buy into todays guilt-culture in germany.
>I even vote AfD, to stick it to the social darwinists in our Bundestag.

>wtf I love being an atomized individual with no connection to anything deeper than my personal consumerist choices, while my people get demographically replaced by third world invaders now!
>Clearly you don't know about german politics, else you wouldn't address that pointless sarcasm at an AfD voter.

keep up, slowpoke.
And yes, I can be an arrogant prick, and I certainly am intentionally right now. Why? Because you're making this too easy.

Anyways, it's 0:35am here, and I gotta work tomorrow. So even while I'd like to mine some more salt, I simply can't afford it right now.

Gn8.

Why would anyone from Yea Forums know what “reddit” spacing is?

Just because faggots, such as you, frequent that website?

Go fuck your self you mongoloid shit eater.
There is nothing that would motivate me to visit Reddit ...your faggotry especially.

>muh free market
>muh no socialism
>muh “must control the labour market for protectionist reasons”
>muh higher prices as a result, but at least my neighbour isnt a brown skin

Right wingers are not very bright

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