Anyone has the video ?

Samefag

...

Take suicide out of that dataset

Wait aren't you guys happy? Shooter is on your team. As always. Look out for milkshakes. They might make you pretend to talk like a faggot for the rest of your life.

Suicides with guns are gun deaths hth.

All we needed was some white power rangers with guns also spraying bullets through that crowd and all those people would have been safe....

Just hand out free guns with happy meals, let the americans shoot each other and get it over with.

What's important is that a few americans died today, which is always always always good news no matter.

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But the gun laws.....they were supposed to keep us safe

Sorry fam, but CDC stats include accidental gun deaths and suicides. That heavily spread picture is bungus.

When you only look at homicides, it's plain to see that gun laws are ineffective

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It was a white power ranger. He killed a child.

If you are injured with a gun. And die. That is a gun death.

>Georgia has less gun deaths than Illinois, California and Michigan

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Suicides are not violent crimes. A person who kills themselves with a gun would have done it another way of they didn't have access to a gun.

accidental gun deaths and suicides with guns are guns are people who were killed by guns though? and the graphic shows obvious correlation with strict gun laws and reduced deaths?

Deaths per 100k. Just go by total number of murders. You shoot 1 guy in a city of 1,000 people and it looks way worse than 100 people shot in a city of 1,000,000. And I'm leery of that age adjusted snippit too.

What is per capita? Do you know?

Can I see the same data on the left with black demographic on the right?

Obviously that's not true if you look at the infographic.

1 out of 1000 is worse than 1 out of 10000. Ten times worse in fact.

kek

CA people are stupid anyway. This is good news.

The original pic that started this chain of posts only cites "Gun Deaths", not "violent crimes." You're shifting the goalposts.

Your skirting the issue like a typical democrat

Infographic includes suicides, so it's not accurate in terms of violent crimes

Guys if u remove a bunch of people who were killed with guns it looks like fewer people were killed with guns. Follow me for more amazing mind-blowing analysis.

It's clear that stricter gun laws lead to fewer gun deaths.

Nobody said violent crimes. Suicides are gun deaths. Strict gun laws prevent gun deaths.

Citation needed

Per your own graph, texas doesn't have strict gun laws nor high gun deaths

#crime

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The data is easily accessible. You can look at stats for gun deaths in Europe. You can look at them state by state. It's fine if you want to remain in denial, but it's foolish.

Weird that the shooter in the OP was a white supremacist then huh

Death to America and death to Israel

hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

Long live America! Death to Israel!

Frantically googling for a 13digitfilename.jpg to support my bullshit

That citation contradicts itself and even admits that it's not scientifically correlative. "The correlation between guns and suicide is strong but inexact"

Look at AZ, NM, NV and many other states that disprove your idea. The data is inconclusive. Some data supports, some opposes.

Strict drug laws lead to reduced drug use

Except it doesn't

Drugs are not guns. Ban children in bars. You see a lot of children in bars? No? Because for certain things regulation is effective. Guns are one of those things and it's borne out in all the data.

Chicago, LA, Detroit.

drug use =/= violent gun use

Did you read the associated studies? None of the studies cited contradict themselves.

SHALL

>driving drunk is illegal
>millions of dwi arrests each year
Your right, banning something clearly reduces it

There's a link to five studies that correlate guns with increased deaths. They have no interest in the truth.

Right, regulating the literal hundreds of millions of guns in the U.S. would be effective...

its a fake story lol california has strict gun laws so mass shootings are illegal

Why are you even on Yea Forums?

Go back to Redit or wherever all you libshits came from.

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Guns are not drugs hth.

As you can see in the infographic it has been effective.

...

I came from byob. You have no idea what that is yet you pretend like you didn't immigrate from some fag site like stormfront or 9gag.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm a circa 2007 /insurgen/ oldfag

More details?

Shooting in CA
Shooting in NY
Same day
both @ end of festival
both random targets
Coincidence? No

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If driving drunk was not illegal, it a fair assumption that many more people would do it

Go back to wherever you came from.

Also if it carried a reasonable penalty like ten years in prison, the amount would drastically fall.

Can't you jack off to porn like normal people?

>75 """"""""children""""""""

16 year old drug dealer in chicago isn't a "child"

this

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16 year olds are absolutely children

All I heard in the video was screaming illegal.
Why wasn't ICE there ?

California doesn't cooperate with ICE. They let criminals run around and do whatever they want.

Which is why white supremacists shoot people there.

the term is purposely misleading, because if you said
>70 teens die every day from fire arms
you think
>those teens and their parents should've been more responsible
but when you hear
>70 children die
you imagine 5 year olds who can't defend themselves and feel guilty

the left may not know how to meme, but it knows how to sucker the ill-informed

cool speculation there chief

Tell us more, user.

I imagine children of all types including five and fifteen year olds because I understand what words mean.

Had these 16yo gang bangers survived the shootings, they'd be charged as adults for their part in the gang war violence.

Yeah but we just dont like niggas

Yes yes, more violent machines of death are always better... Muh' freedom
jerk

my search came up empty....

Which is also problematic. But you are pretending that only 16 year old gang members are killed by guns. A five year old was murdered by a white nationalist Nazi in California at the incident that inspired this thread.

Any info on motive?

Go do something about it like your hero who got gunned down by cops.

white supremacist in body armor targeting brown people. the usual. look out for milkshakes though antifa is dangerous!

spouting fake news isn't going to change anything

in 2019, EVERYONE has a camera on them at all times, yet we never have video/images of these events. yet in 1995, schools had really shitty closed circuit cameras and we have the Columbine event on tape

but keep letting them distract you from the fact that MS13 literally just beheaded a 16 year old because that makes orange man's tirade about illegals make sense

If the antifas weren't such pussy soyboy betas, they'd be shooting guns too

So California has mass shootings, earthquakes and wildfires. Maybe God is real.

details on MS13

mass shootings are always by a white supremacist because they're the only group that can't defend itself on TV, since that's racist to believe in the white race

Have you shot someone?

4 MS13 members in LA beheaded a 16 year old

Yeah go start a thread about it. This one is about the white supremacist shooting children in California.

Defense from what?

>go talk about real news, this thread is for lies

Shootings are bad but they are also very good. Nice consistency.

Who says white people have no culture lol

Or mass shootings are all by white supremacists.

Fucking rekt

In America 100,000 people are shot a year.

12,791 are Homicides
16,883 are people committing suicides
642 are Accidental Shootings

30k =/= 100k

/pol/tards should be on a terrorist watch list.

I've been taking time to read all the posts and still one question stays unanswered...

video?

Oh so you want to talk about statistics?

This is a few years old, but the trend still applies

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Not yet. They'll find one eventually.

A gun death is a gun death and it's preventable with more proactive gun control. You can pretend a subset of people killed by guns weren't killed by guns but they were.

>people who know what they're talking about are dangerous
man, they really got to you hard. I assumed less people watching the evening news would lessen the brainwash fear mongering

its been posted in the other thread

there's video just google it
but you're not going to see people being shot or anything

Where's the video of this ms13 beheading? It's not real unless there's video.

That's a massive leap. Don't shoot anybody /pol/!

I hope you get shot

>Mass shooting
>15 Injured
>4 Dead
>Food Festival

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Why do white guys do this shit? Are trump voters all really so frustrated?

Not a chance in hell. I live in a country with sensible gun control laws.

I'm sure if you looked up that homicide death, it'll lead to a lot of guns used in a crime (robbery, gang war, literal planned murder), they'll figure out another way to carry out this violence or illegally get a gun, the 17k suicides are going to figure out a way to commit suicide by pill/knife/CO; you're asking for gun control to reduce accidental deaths by

Nothing to do. You have no idea what people that contribute nothing to the country are capable of when they realize how dogshit their lives are.

did he an hero?

oh wow the nazi with the record online bragging bodycount showed up

America is America. Don't talk about America if you're not American.

You're wrong and there are studies posted in this thread that refute your banal claims.

>>>people who have a different political view than me should be watched intently by the government
>>I think you should learn more
>WHOA DON'T PULL THAT GUN ON ME!!!!

damn, the left is fucked

I am American. If you had any mobility at all you would realize you can go wherever you want.

Why do people need assault rifles?

this

What are you talking about? You're projecting some conversation and you're impossible to understand.

post said citation

you're telling me that suicidal people aren't going to commit suicide?
you're telling me criminals aren't going to figure out a way to commit a violent crime if they wanted to?

get woke

>I'm OP and I suck cocks
gotcha

It's nothing new buddy. Islamic forums are monitored too.

Scroll. Up. Retard. Read the thread.

Right wing terrorism

Conspiracy theory, not studies. Numbers are so manipulated it might as well just come from alexjones.com

latimes.com/california/story/2019-07-18/inside-the-valley-neighborhood-terrorized-by-ms-13

this? This is old news 10-2018

Killing mudbloods

Fucking lol thanks fam.

says a guy who likes to suck cock too

something tells me this thread is pushing an agenda
not sure

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Harvard manipulated their studies? Who's Alex Jones? There's already a Sandy Hook denier itt are you another one?

Impossible, California has very strict gun laws.

>Ahahaha! No u!
Fully BTFO

Yeah wow averaging three posts per poster. Insane.

everybody your only allowed to post once in each thread sorry the boss showed up

Would he have done it if he got laid?

The one link posted was inconclusive. Many states did not follow the trend that gun control = lower suicide rate.

The majority of people don't die after being shot.

age adjusted? Why? Oh, to fit a narrative, nvm, numbers can twist to prove any point.

>Crap band playing.
>Sound of firecrackers.
>Woman screams in foreign.

It's not very interesting to watch, user.

Yeah, get rid of guns and they would have no way to kill themselves.

Louisiana has more gun deaths than chicago, nyc and california

BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,

Did you just make this in ms paint?

All I have is shit you can find on twitter already so no use.

people will just kill themselves in other ways, its not hard lol

Your brain. Does not. Work. Per capita.

I'm pro gun, but he is right, obviously less guns would mean less gun deaths. The problem is, it doesn't mean less deaths. (Also, if you have a wife, you are much more likely to be killed by your wife, because it would be pretty fucking difficult to be killed by your wife if you didn't have one. That's not to say it's very common either though)

ooooo gaaawd ets like anotha shoaoa, oy VEY!!

Gun deaths are gun deaths. Sensible gun control policy reduces them in every case.

I see tons of kids in bars, as long as they are restaurants too. or as long as it's not "past 9" or whatever fucked up rule they have.

the stats. add in. non-homicide events. you retard.

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nigs travel in groups

Uh, yeah... it looks worse because it is. 1 guy out of 1,000 is a 0.001% death rate and 100 people out of 1,000,000 is a 0.0001% death rate.

You insecure little gun nuts can't even formulate a basic mathematical argument.

Gun deaths. Are. Gun deaths. Whether they're suicides or not. You just decided suicides don't count for some reason. Read the thread. We've been over this.

>Age Adjusted Death Rates
WTF does this even mean?

>Gun Deaths
So if someone blasts their own head off with a shotgun, it is counted. These numbers aren't for homicides committed with guns. This is a common trick gun grabbers use.

I'm not an expert but if you have a machine that can kill someone with a pull of a button almost, wouldn't you consider suicide more than if you didn't?

So when kids are not allowed you basically never see them right. You see them where it's legal and not where it's illegal? Seems like bans work sometimes!

Gang violence really gets the numbers up for them too.

Age adjustment means that these compared according to age groups. Like gun death among people in age group 20-30 for example. It's a very common practice in surveys.

>suicidal people will give up on suicide if it isn't done with a gun

I bet you put a lot of work into that comment just to stay looking like a retard lmao.

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Because fuck you, that's why.

As long as they are around, police and other government stooges are not very brazen about charging into your house.

Nobody said anything about homicides. Your post is he first time the word was used itt. Gun deaths are gun deaths. Suicides might not matter to you, but they matter to the people who find their friend's brains on the ceiling.

Statistics show that higher % of black population = more crime, so we should just ban the blacks

Yeah it's just refining the demography to be more balanced.

told you antifa wasn't playin

exactly this

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>pull of a button

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Yup. It's living hell.

>it's refining the demographic to better skew results

Suicides with guns are gun deaths. Nobody is misrepresenting anything other than you. Stronger gun control laws lead to fewer gun deaths. Period.

Liberals
>get rid of guns they kill people
also Liberals
>we need to figure out a way to protect ourselves from the police who invade your house

yah that's pretty factual.
Aussies and the uk like to (for some fucking reason) like to talk shit about 2A while getting dragged out of their homes for wrong think tweets.

Checkmate americans.

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How is "gun law stringency" defined? Pennsylvania does not have "stringent" gun control laws, yet it is almost as red as California.

Isn't the trigger like a button? Or more like a switch?

exactly, fewer "gun" deaths, which just help paint your narrative

england hasn't seen a decrease in violent crimes/deaths since banning guns, they're just not considered gun related anymore and now they're dealing with knife laws. soon they'll be banning boards with nails in them

And building statistics with "gun deaths" is misleading because people automatically assume that means murders.

Maybe you should stop commenting on something you know absolutely nothing about.

Don't try and understand the drivel falling out of their brain cavity
Trust me your only losing your own iq

>"boo boo wah wah, suicides count because I say so" even when they have nothing to do with the danger of others which is the entire premise of gun law arguments.

Were you born this retarded or do you actually put in effort because your ignorance is pretty impressive

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wow CNN posts here now?

How does a gun work then? Is it really hard to shoot a gun?

Iirc it was from some popular anti gun control website. You can look it up if you really care.

Sorry libtard...it happened in California. 95% chance it was an illegal alien or Democrat...both of which we all know are not Americans

No, they're doing it to skew the results in their favor.

Why does someone's age matter if they are killed with a gun, either by their own hand or by someone else?

Good luck shooting the police.

What a stupid fucking argument.

Fine let's not do a single fucking thing.
Or better yet let's give everyone a fucking gun.

And when gun deaths by suicide and homicide skyrocket even more I'll bet you'll say they would've done it anyway.

Fucking retards.

This.

>if guns are less accessible homicide rates remain the same, but suicide rates via guns will change

... you what?

Children might do that. When I read gun death I assume it means "cause of death: gun" because that's what it means. You have a verbiage problem? Please post nigger a hundred more times.

The premise of gun laws is to prevent illegal gun deaths and injury. They are shown to do exactly that.

it was a known white supremacist who was under investigation. they announced it about 20 ago.

finally someone who understands that suicidal people have no use in gun law debates.

Because some places have higher population of certain age groups.

Indeed lol

i don't know about you user, but committing suicide sounds much easier with guns when you're seriously considering suicide

instead of the insane amount of people that think drowning in pills and booze will get 'em

Figure out what a gun is before you decide you hate them faggot
Can we abolish gun rights so all these libtards an hero in their attention seeking contest

Why are leftists against them so much compared to other types of guns? They make up a tiny fraction of all gun related deaths. If they really wanted to curb gun violence, they would go after handguns.

It's because an assault rifle gives the average citizen too much power. That's why the power hungry fucks want them gone. And before you say "hurr durr, jets and tanks". Look how much of a quagmire the middle east became, and they were mostly armed with assault weapons and crude explosives.

Is USA such a shithole that this is an actual fear you have?

hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/

>it happened a year ago so it isn't relevant

HOW MANY MORE OF THESE MASS SHOOTINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE BAN FESTIVALS?

FESTIVALS INVITE MASS SHOOTINGS, THEY MUST BE STOPPED!

Are you implying that a university in 2019 isn't full of batshit crazy liberals?

What the fuck is *age adjusted death rate?

The fear is real. The possibility of it happening is real. The possibility of defending yourself from a police onslaught is absolutely fantasy.

Drug use has literally nothing to do with gun use. Here in Portugal soft drug laws worked very well because they don't criminalized use, allowing people with addictions to be seen as victims of their circumstances rather than criminals, thus allowing the system to rehabilitate rather than punish.

Now this works because :
- stopping drug traffic is almost impossible
- addiction is THE issue, and not drug use.

Here we have strict gun laws and we have really low crime rates, and those we do are always the normal motif passionate crime. And in these kinds of crimes, the most prevalent are of old men who have hunting guns. So, in these kind of crimes it helps that you don't have access to an effective and despersonalized weapon. Statistics show that if you act passionately with, let's say, a knife, you probably won't end the job. With a weapon, one shot is enough.

You are an idiot and already stuck on your narrative, but anyone else reading...
They always site this same shit for Austrailia. "Gun deaths went way down!" duh, they don't have guns... but look at the numbers, deaths went UP (and then right back to what they were before) it's almost like getting rid of the tool, doesn't get rid of the sick/fucked up murderers.
But again, if you look at numbers, some gun places have low deaths, while some no or limited gun places have lots of gun deaths. Again, almost like murder and evil is linked to something else...

They work great in Chicago

Again, you think suicidal people will stop at a gun. again, like other user you are retarded.

Stop using irrelevant bullshit to boost your numbers, why are leftists always crying fascists yet they're the biggest fascists on the planet?

Which is irrelevant to the point that the infographic is trying to portray itself as making.

All it would be is a way to manipulate the results.

obviously whatever you need to do to get the numbers to say what you want them to say.

As hom. Post the data that proves strict gun laws do not prevent gun deaths or thanks for playing.

They do. If you look at Illinois, the rate of gun death and violence is significantly lower than the national average.

Dude, suicides have no place in gun law debates because someone an heroing themselves should not be anyones concern but their own. I'd rather give a suicidal guy a gun so he has an easier time. Therefore including suicides in "GuN DeAtH" statistic is nothing but autistic.

You live in the land of the free yet don't think suicidal people should be free to off themselves how they please.

>it happened a year ago, so there is no more MS-13 violence happening
>hurr durr

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Gun laws prevent gun deaths.

checked

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No it isn't irrelevant. 50 year old people aren't going out killing others. 20-30 year olds are more likely to. So if you have your state has more of this age group, you're going to see more crime.

Go to school
>Get shot
Go to a movie
>Get shot
Go to a mall
>Get shot
Go to a concert
>Get shot
Go to church
>Get shot
Go to a FUCKING FOOD FESTIVAL
>Get shot

KEK America truly is a shithole country

You can easily find the study and read it for yourself. It will explain exactly how they arrived at the numbers.

Cripes you guys are faggots. I just want to see the video.

It's trending that way

Society is sick, and has taken a serious downturn over just the last 20 years. You zoomers and younger millennials haven't been around long enough to see it.

Let's face it. The reason you have weapons is political, mainly. It allows a people's movement against a tyrannical overlord or an invasion. Basically, people with guns are army's reserve, willing to use it to protect their land or property.

Batshit liberals know that most countries have more strict gun laws and it shows how that is safer, disables illegal gun traffic, etc.

That is, ofc, if you compare yourselves with European countries. The problem is your society isn't as advanced as most European societies.

shilling this hard
no more (You)s for you

You didn't read the study that refutes exactly the point you just made.

Not if you don't live in a shithole. But yeah, hang out in Detroit and you might as well move to Brazil.

>"If I cry the same sentence over and over it'll eventually become true."

alrighty kiddo, summers almost over, back you go.

>That is, ofc, if you compare yourselves with European countries. The problem is your society isn't as advanced as most European societies
This

>Please prove that something that didn't happen didn't happen because of something

Are you really that retarded?

WOAH you get everyone here. GuNS don'T kILl PEoPlE AloNe

Maybe if you take despersonalized weapons out of public use the access to instruments of easy murdering will be lowered and therefore crimes will be lower too, because the other alternatives imply a more personal approach that most passionate criminals cannot take to the end.

I carry a firearm in the hopes to be at a mass shooting or some other crime. Additionally, there would be another gun owner there. He/she would pull his/her gun out to save the day shooting and killing the criminal becoming the hero. I would then pull out my gun and shoot him/her in the back of the head, explaining that I thought they were also part of the bad guy criminals. But in reality I knew I was killing a Republifag Trumpanzee MotherFuck.

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It's statistically proven that suicidal people can overcome their tendencies. Most suicidal people do actually.

What I posted is true. You are all over the map trying to build straw cases for why whatever you're saying is true. That's fine but doesn't change the fact that restrictive gun laws reduce gun deaths. Welcome to reality.

I have studies. You have feelings. Who wins?

True
I was gonna post it
But these faggots don't deserve it anyhow

Ding ding ding

no it doesnt you moron. god you are so fucking stupid to post a fucking boomer facebook meme quoting the 2010 census don't pretend you understand a single statistical analysis you dumb asshole

Illinois has pretty lax gun laws. You get a foid card, then there a 1 week wait and boom. You have a hand gun.

It's just Chicago and Cook county that has strict laws

Ding ding ding

Why is that?

>I claim to think this way
>even though I know it's taken the other way by literal millions

when I say White Power I mean that white people should feel just as empowered as any other race, what do YOU think when I say sieg heil?

Did you not read it? They got rid of guns, deaths went up, didn't really fix the problem did it? Made it worse actually. But yeah, stick to that 3rd grade logic, hey, while we are at it, let's give everyone a million dollars and there will be no more poor people!

Huh I wonder why a place that's an island of restriction might have a problem if it's surrounded by the wild west? Maybe if we restricted everywhere it would solve the problem.

Why?

Oh god you're a faggot too.

>Go to school
>>Get shot
Having a school is a luxury.
Having a safe school is a luxury.

>Go to a movie
>>Get shot
Extreme luxury

>Go to a mall
>>Get shot
Luxury

>Go to a concert
>>Get shot
Extreme luxury

>Go to church
>>Get shot
Luxury and god's will

>Go to a FUCKING FOOD FESTIVAL
>>Get shot
EXTREME LUXURY
Holy shit people are starving all over the world and here we have a food festival?
Jesus christ you cry baby.

>KEK America truly is a shithole country
Nah America is hypocritical but not a shithole.
If good people owned guns criminals wouldnt be that common.

Advancement isn't the problem. Demographics are the problem. Take out blacks and hispanics and our "gun deaths" plummet. Although with your "advanced" society welcoming "diversity" you will find out soon enough.

You should be ashamed of giving up your safety and homogony just so you can pat yourselves on the back for being such a good "progressive". You're throwing away something we never had over here. Your children and grandchildren will pay a dear price.

...to live a shit life

instead of making people live like that you should encourage them to think about it and choose wisely, as well as effectively

why don't you just stop trying? gun laws aren't passed to save people from themselves but from others. Any other reason for such a law would be unamerican.

Sieg heil is a Nazi chant so I assume you're a Nazi. That's probably not what you were getting at though huh? Gun death = death by gun.

>I don't get it. California has strict gun laws. How can they have shootings? Gun laws work, CNN told me so

false, prohibition never works in any situation. Look at da facts idiot.

ktla.com/2019/07/28/police-respond-to-active-shooter-at-gilroy-garlic-festival/

This has a bit of video. You can hear a gunshot and see people running. Don't know where the original is.

This is pure, distilled insanity.

A study can be manipulated to prove anything. Also, anyone with a brain can figure out in 10 seconds that the infographic posted was bullshit. They wouldn't have to try to bullshit the "Age Adjusted Deaths" and use "Gun Related Deaths" instead of homicides if their stance was so strong.

The fact of the matter is the guns are here to stay, and you will never take them.

So what's your target for the next mass shooting?

This is why you see so many toddlers wandering around nightclubs and people bringing children into strip clubs. Because although it is illegal, people still do it.

cite where they refuse me.

#feelings are incapable of manipulation

You pretend to care about stats but you do not. Read it yourself. You didn't even look at it.

A pack of "urban" gentlemen shooting loads into your mom.

It does still happen, but maybe we should start with banning weed and murder, because it will work the same way.

>we need to stop the police from killing ~500 people a year (while doing their job)
>we need to bring in more immigrants from countries who have higher gun violence despite that number truncating the police violence that we are crying about

really makes you think

Are you seriously advocating for more suicides? Okay, I guess I can't argue with that logic. If you think more gun deaths are a good thing, that's your opinion.

>"all over the map"
>simple straightforward statement of suicide attempts don't count because not having a gun wouldn't stop suicidal people.

Ok kiddo lmao.

>"That's fine but doesn't change the fact that restrictive gun laws reduce gun deaths"
>Not a fact because we're not using your shitty skewed statistics
>Never take into account more lives are saved than lost with gun rights.

Pure uncut desperation.

God I love the complete psychos these threads bring out. Imagine being so weak and insecure you model your whole identity about pro gun ideals.

Ofc, because you having guns at home isn't the reason SWAT teams raid your house for two grams of weed. You are fucking oblivious.

The problem with America is that you have glorified crime to an extent that you have gangs in every state, extremists of either political poles are heavily armed and trained, and every criminal can access and steal weapons and be armed to face civil or policial attacks.

Here in Portugal you can disable a criminal with a stick or your hands. That's why most quarrels don't end with a brains splattered in walls. But hey, we don't have gangs or armed militias.

Drugs are not guns. Bans and restrictions work in a lot of cases. Your claim that they 'never' work is insane for any definition of the word 'work'. If you mean you cannot prevent 100% of crimes, I must admit you are correct.

Who’d shoot up a garlic festival?

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Suicides with guns are gun deaths. I'm not sure why that simple fact triggers you so hard but here we are.

Guns are for men that doubt their masculinity. So, gun owner=peepee small

Likewise with Europe and the UK, theres no winning an argument with an untravelled american who loves guns. They are completely brainwashed.

Wow so you showed me some statistic loosely and expect me to ignore the literally giant amount of data that denies your statement, from nearly every non UK original countries.

Sure, mate. Will do that.

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>uncut
always comes back to penises with you redditors

They are fundamentally retarded in a very real way.

People need better hobbies.

No deaths did not go up what are you talking about??

God I love the complete psychos these threads bring out. Imagine being so weak and insecure you model your whole identity about anti gun ideals.

Vampires

Since when is a mass shooting thread a pro gun ownership thread you stupid redneck brainlet kekkkk

A lot of people get their guns from their drug guy. And yeah, we still get a lot of murders, I'm doubtful one more law against it isn't going to help much. (again, it sounds more like you want to unarm the other 90m americans who aren't murderers, but I guess in your police state narrative that's what you want)

Lol somebody tell me how guns save more lives than they end please I'm just absolutely ready to hear that dumb bullshit. Post the stats let's go.

>mirroring
>BTFO

who does that? Where are all these antimatter gun toting people?

Expect obscure stats from pro gun blogs and never anything real.

At a food festival, wtffffffffff

>mirroring
>BTFO

ok, I just needed clarification that you were bait.
See it's confirmed now because you pretend that you're illiterate by not reading but then post full sentences.

try veeeery slowly to read the green sentence on the top. stop trying to dilate your front hole while reading, I could only imagine it helps.

well, again, there are lots if you look outside of your bubble. Brazil is super strict gun laws, but no one cares. Texas loves guns, but has low crime, again. You are getting rid of a symptom, not the problem.

Are you saying you like mass shootings?
Silly burger doesn't even know what the thread was about.

Massively disarming the populace AND police forces AND military.

AT DAYLIGHT??

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The thinking is that if you have a gun, you can protect yourself against a knife having or even a gun weilding person. So an attacker will die and not an innocent gun carrier.

Roughly 30 thousand people own everything in the USA. As long as threads like this are normal discourse they are happy. See, they live in dread of all you jigaboos getting along with each other, co-operating and organizing. Absolute dread. The second you look up from your little trough of echo chamber endorphins, the day you stop being addicted to calling people names on the internet, that's the day they are fucked.

Not one shot needs to be fired for them to lose everything, but it looks like we're going to be happy bleating away about the same shit until the end of time.

Shit, son. Most of our gun deaths are from whites killing whites. Because legal weapons are so far in between that policemen can easily track a weapon and act upon it before it is used.

Ofc that gypsies also have weapons, but they are poor and into all illegal type of shit, and they use it mainly on each other, so it's alright with me.

But, to second your argument, we have historically been a diverse country, we just have a more peaceful culture and we don't allow racial neighborhoods to develop freely, probably because we look at Brazils example and learned something with it.

You just hated niggers for decades while allowing them to create a micro, poor culture that feeds on crime. Your own racism fucked you in the end. Now you have a black mermaid, and a 007 that is a black woman.

You're just pretending I said shit lol. I said this: gun deaths go down with stronger gun control laws. demonstrably. that's it. That's all I'm ever going to say to you. It is true.

But why not just try it?
>teh ebil cwiminals will take over the whole country
Fuckin idiot.

Yap. I'll be in the streets while they're sucking their guns and polishing their dicks. See you there Conrad.

I've seen this thread 100s of times and not once EVER have I seen an NRA fag or pro gun retard win the argument, reems of bullshit stats and nutjob blogs get posted but never ever have I seen legitmate proof of their arguments, even with conspiracy shit you get the odd piece of info thats hard to disprove or changes things sligjhtly, but there is no evidence that more guns = safer society. Yet there are whole countries that have had gun crime reduced to close to 0 from gun restriction laws.

you dropped this bud

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Here's the on for Britan, I'll go try and find the one for Austrailia (but they had like 306 deaths before ban, then like 413, then back to like 312, which works about right with inflation)

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He doesn't care, these threads are a waste of your time.

I love how the yanks do what they always do and try to shift blame all the time.

Simple fact is it was an American guy, carrying a gun he was allowed to, who thought fuck it shoot people.

Happens every day in the US.

gunviolencearchive.org

Doesnt' matter which states are more stringent or not with gun laws, the fact is people are shooting people, no matter the amount of excuses either side tries to find it will never change that fact.

And it all comes down to the fact the majority of Americans are taught that their lives will be amazing after they leave school, #1 this and that, land of opportunity etc.

Then the reality hits, they leave school, no 40k+ salary jobs for the taking, no more mom and dad saving you from financial problems, everything you were taught about everyone being happy is also a lie.

And what happens when young Americans get hit with this reality? They get angry, and they have never learned to articulate their feelings to others or to talk about it, because that would be faggish and seen as weak, so they resort to the easiest thing available a gun.

Thats America right there.

I'm every aspect that regards social policy. They are so into themselves they don't have a cosmopolitan approach to politics, thus they can't even begin to comprehend how many alternatives there are to their way of living. The only reason my American family doesn't come to Portugal is that America still has better income, but every one of them is buying houses to live their retirement here. Wonder why.

Ah, like "trying" prohibition, that worked out pretty well...

Also Americans are blood thirsty in general and they live in a police state. Criminals need guns because everyone has guns. If they didn't, they wouldn't risk the heavy penalties for using them in crimes.

IL FOID card takes about 30-45 days to recieve, if the state isn't back logged...like it is..

You got to be 21 and pass a background check every time you purchase said firearm.

And wait 72 hours in order to take home firearm, after it is registered to the state and the federal government

Welcome to Illinois that will be 35% of you income to pay for the Governor

You're using facts to persuade devotees of a cult. Good luck with that.

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30,000 people own everything

Those are just rumours...

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Nah lol I'm a paid progun shill. I just role them up and they go on Cabela's and buy shotguns and ammo.

Doesn't show it well, weird how leftist google doesn't show much huh...

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Being Portuguese, and having brazilian family, I understand Brazil better than most of you can. And I can guarantee you freeing gun ownership will only push them further into their rabbit shithole

That is for all of Illinois not just Crook County or Chicago

That's a clear downward trend what is your point?

Thats not gun crime you fucking idiot. Jesus christ did you gun nuts just not go to school? The UK doenst refer to murder as homicide as well.

Yeah drinking alcohol and walking around armed to the teeth are exactly the same thing and subject to the same conditions. But you know you're being a disingenuous prick.

Fairly restrictive imo

in both australia and the UK post ban GUN related homicide fell to 0.2%

reminded me of this.

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You know having machine guns in your basement vs having one beer. Totally equivalent.

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That's a downward tend that starts before the ban

Correlation =\= causation

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no, for 6 years it was an upward trend, it's almost like something else changed the deaths...

Lol it's just Americans. Who cares? Let me know when people die.

Lol you trust the government for stats? They are the evil oppressor!

Well no shit gun crime went down, but deaths went up, again, obv gun crimes would go down with guns, but that doesn't fucking matter when MORE PEOPLE DIE (or wait, you don't care about how many die, only how they die... interesting....)

Thank you for needfulling lol

James Bond isn't American...

Always makes me chuckle when stupid Americans fall for this bullshit every time.

And when you hit them with actual numbers, they resort to the per capita excuse, then you point out that blacks only top 3 crimes more than whites, then they get angry and call you a shill, yuropoor, etc. Because Americans cannot deal with criticism, violence is the first and last option always.

Show the rest of the graph lol it bottoms out immediately after that. Cherry picker

This

How is shooting up a garlic festival a gun crime? The only people who come there are the same people who vote for gun control. White trash Democrats. Imagine not being allowed to carry a handgun in a public space in the age of the mass shooter. Clown world.

They thought shore sited like you
>Lets ban alcohol! less violence and drunk driving!
massive influx of gangs and murder to sell alcohol while people who drink it, still drink it, just illegally.

Actualy, kind of why they want to legalize weed, since so much prison/crime etc is about weed, it might lower the gangs/crime a shit load like when alcohol went legal again.

No, but Hollywood is.

Can you post this with gun deaths instead of just 'homicides'

We truly do live in a Society

Again, duh, gun deaths went down, but deaths went up, more people had to use knives, cars, poison etc, lowering guns should lower deaths, NOT INCREASE IT.

You can't draw these conclusions from the graphic you posted.

that graph gets passed around on loads of 'research sites' funded by pro gun lobbyists. You can tell the fake ones because they say they are from UK sources yet use homicide instead of murder.

Thread went full circle. Shit, man. Drugs are not guns. You cannot use the same argument towards drug use that you use regarding weapons.

People will find ways to bootleg alcohol and shit because they are addicted and it is mainly a bodily issue. Guns are not.

Why? Obv gun deaths will go down, but if deaths go up, then banning guns resulted in more deaths not less? Or do you not care that people die, just how they die?

But guns are not banned in Australia.
They are quite easy to get, and are fairly common in households.

We have this thread every shooting, so almost daily. Same talking points, same dumb shit.

Burgers are all Africanized. That's been a meme since before the Civil War.

The Columbine cameras were always recording. If anyone at these shootings pulled out their phone and started recording instead of running for cover, then the footage would probably be withheld by their grieving family considering their dumbass loved one just got killed.

Why not? Using your logic, banning guns would decrease deaths, how would they go up? Unless the number of murderers stayed the same or went up.

my starement was not about statistics but morals. learn to read

I don't want more suicides, I want efficient suicides. Nothing worse imo than to try suicide and end up not being able to try again from being paralyzed.

for both of you autists:
Gun advocates and regular people care about overall homicide and violence rates, regardless whether or not guns are involved.

"gun deaths" are irrelevant because suicides aswell as homicides would happen another way.

e. g.: If a gun law decreases gun homicides the same amount it increases knife homicides it's not helpful

so stop with all that shifting around. It's homicides and non lethal violence people are interested in.

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Thats complete bullshit, how does that make any sense? Are you suggesting if they had guns they would have murdered less people? That the banning of guns meant more murders had to happen, do people murder more if they use a knife?

What a moronic argument

How would deaths go up? Any of a billion other factors? Maybe they shortened the length of yellow lights in the country? Maybe the kangaroo population went out of control?

Gun deaths are relevant because of the study I posted. Your argument is moot.

How do you know they werent going up anyway and banning guns reduced those peaks? I can make shit up based on no evidence as well! The 90s were a pretty volatile time in the UK IRA tensions and serial killers.

I'm interested in lowering gun deaths and regulations do that.

Abortions then? also, your weed dealer prob sells guns too.

And yes, banning a thing, doesn't magically get rid of that thing. It just makes it so only criminals do that thing. (And as we have seen, doing so may in fact increase the problem or create all new ones)

So you are telling me blacks don't get weapons in your country. You are telling me they would terrify the cities with gang wars if they fought with katanas or some shit? Come on man. I'm not defending any segment of society here. You should address those problems, and gun ownership is a way to do it.

Great comeback, way to use logic and reason to prove your point. (so you go adhominem because you can't use your words)