Don't order this shit. For only $30 you can get 50+ large doses. I feel into the trap...

Don't order this shit. For only $30 you can get 50+ large doses. I feel into the trap, I saw AVI on youtube talk about his struggle with addiction to this substance (phenibut) and I still ordered it and abused it. I'm stuck at taking 3 grams every other day, if I don't take it I become extremely hostile, depersonalized, and ready to kill whoever comes in my path. Shit is damages your nerves over time and isn't even that great of a high. Stick to weed or kratom, this shit is just too easy to get a lifetimes supply and destroy yourself with, I'll probably be dependent on this shit for the rest of my life.

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feelsgood not being a junkie and not knowing what you're talking about

It's marketed as a "supplement" you can order a shitton of this shit, it acts on GABAB and VDCC. It makes you confident, carefree and possibly works on dopamine, and countless people describe it as being euphoric. It's like alcohol except you don't feel like shit the next day, and it doesn't destroy your mental ability, and it doesn't fuck with your memory like benzos. I got my life together when I started using this shit, I told myself you're getting more work done with this shit so use more, now I'm stuck just feeling normal when taking 3 grams, I could go back off the rails again but the more I use this drug the dirtier I feel.

suppository?

lol /fit/ talks about phenibut all the time about how it relaxes you and kills your anxiety

i never ordered it cause i have weed

It really does, it's better than benzos. Whenever I take a benzo at a reasonable dose, I can't remember anything that happened the next day.

what dose of phenibut is recommended for a high?

i don't mind trying it out a few times if it feels good

It gets you high?

Just ordered one. $36

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um, if you go on the subreddit for phenibut you'll constantly see people saying phenibut didn't do shit. That's because people are told that you can't take over 2 grams unless you want to get addicted. You're not going to get addicted from using phenibut at 2.5-3.5 grams once. I'd recommend 2.5 grams the first time and if that doesn't do it for you try 3.5 grams the next time. The most I've ever taken was 10.5 grams, and well, I just blacked out for about 10 hours like alcohol, except I still could remember everything afterwards. Find the dose where you start to feel a little drowsy and take 0.5 grams less than that, and you'll be set. For me that's around 5 grams but I'm trying to quit this shit now.

what happens when you get high on it?
just relaxation like codeine? that drunken opiate high?

or like tripping on cough syrup where your vision gets distorted while feeling stupid?

interesting, have you ever heard of a thing called DMT?

Mainly relaxation with phenibut once you get to very high doses but at the dose right before you become too relaxed it's described by many and myself as euphoric, in the sense that you'll want to leave the house and talk with people. As for opiate-like high, not quite but if you're willing to find some quality kratom to mix with phenibut, that is legit the perfect combo for some. I personally like to keep kratom and phenibut separate though because the confident and relaxation you get is enough for me, and it seems when you mix kratom it, of course, gives you a body high but kinda of ruins the confidence because for me personally opioids always tend to ground me with euphoria, where I'll just sit and watch tv all day long (lazy) while with phenibut I actually leave the house. Might be different for you though.

Only certain benzos give me memory loss. Valium and Xanax give me zero memory loss, even at higher doses. Lorazepam even at low doses gives me an insta blackout, and Clonazapam too to a less degree. Garbage drugs though. I like Valium and that's it. Valium isn't for getting high really. I'll stick to my beer if I wanna catch a buzz and do stuff.

i fucking hate kratom
tastes like puke and does nothing for me

nutmegs did nothing for me either

i'll give this a go, hit or miss

Kratom is crap. The only noticeable effect I get from it is that it kills any sort of social anxiety. You get dependent on it if you take it every day. It ruins your sleep quality, and if you come off it, plan on sleeping for days in a barely conscious state.

give phenibut a try, everyone's body chemistry is different. Kratom was always weird for me too, some strains would give me anxiety and no euphoria and some batches would get me so high, that I swear it was laced with something.

Suppository!

Kratom is hit or miss, I'm convinced there's some strains that contain alkaloids that act as anti-opioids that lessen the high. Some batches or strains contain less of these anti-opioids so you receive more of the mitragynine. I forget exactly what this mechanism is that lessens the amount of ligands that reach the opioid receptors but if there were only let's say 10 alkaloids in kratom and not 40 then maybe we'd have some fucking consistency.

Can't find any information regarding effect on people with health issues. In my case both heart and liver.
Also no information on drug interactions. I'm on several medications.
Anyone have a source for these? Sounds like something I could really use on occasion. And it seems there's no risk of addiction using it only once every 2-3 weeks. But I don't dare without more information.

I'd take a look at the drug interactions for lyrica. Given that phenibut has a similar molecular structure to lyrica.

www.pdr.net/drug-summary/Lyrica-pregabalin-467.8329

and take a look at drug interactions for baclofen, phenibut is almost like a perfect mixture/medium between lyrica and baclofen based on it's pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics.

www.pdr.net/drug-summary/Baclofen-baclofen-1058

Thank you, the information is appreciated

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taper off with one of it's longer acting analogies like F-phenibut or any of the others. your peaks and bottoms will even out and you can follow the ashton taper manual as a rough guide for how quick you should be going given its a guide for things that affect your gabanergic system.

Don't ever get addicted to benzos - if you think phenibut withdrawals are hard, you have no fucking idea the world of hell benzo withdrawals can be.

seconded - the pharmacology is extremely similar and will follow almost exactly to baclofen and similarly structured chems.

All drug interactions will mostly be "dangers" or "cautions" regarding mixing with other depressants. Phenibut affects more than just your GABA receptors, but the interaction concern is respiratory failiure or if mixed with enough depressants, possibly cardiac arrest.

Phenibut is however a very mild chemical compared to most, so I wouldn't be so concerned. I'd be more concerned about the long term effects of taking a gabanergic in general.

What other medications are you on? I can try to tell you more about shit if I stick around.

and let me guess before you even say anything:

you are probably on an SSRI
and maybe something for sleep.

BTW ask your doctor for Gabapentin to help you got off this shit. That or lyrica (pregabalin).

You may also be on some other stress related medications but idfk idk why im guessing.

Buspirone. Likely, for anxiety. But pro-tip, buspirone doesn't help with anxiety, it's all placebo.

Second, getting off of ssri(that I really needed at the time) was hell on earth, blackouts/head explosions, cold sweats, liquid shit explosions and constant panic attacks. Tried to taper off every other week for months and could never do it
Then I tried shrooms and all my withdrawal symptoms were completely gone. Never gone back since

Can't be any worse than alcohol withdrawals, I'll give it a try.

Have you tried mixing it with alcohol or is that big nono?

I had taken Buspar after detoxing from opioids. It's offlabel use is opiate addiction. It literally removed any urge to use drugs for the entire time I used it. It does so by antagonizing D3/D4. I'm also convinced it made me feel very good through its GH secretion raising mechanism. So no cravings for drugs + increased growth hormone = felt fantastic

No SSRI, although I do take buspar at a very low dose. And I sleep fine, actually too much.
I'm on two heart medicines, Metoprolol and Diltiazem. Blood thinner Eliquis, and blood pressure enalipril. Also insulin dependent with extensive liver damage from a previous illness.

I should probably also mention that I'm 66, if that makes a difference.

what SSRI were you on and what was your dosage? I've heard SRAs can have positive effects on "resetting" symptoms like this but had never heard of such a quick change like that, most of me wants to believe you but I almost kinda don't. Also, I mean to ask what your dosage was on both things, the SSRI and the psych.

I've been through alcohol withdrawals (coming from a 0.53 BAC (will provide hospital records pics if requested) to a 0 on nothing but a bit of librium and gabapentin.

Benzo withdrawals had me hallucinating, every fucking nerve on my skin itching, hurting, tingling, I couldn't function. Couldn't get up, couldnt eat, couldnt hardly walk much less drive a car to go get food. It was literally LITERALLY hell. Alcohol withdrawals suck major asshole but Benzo withdrawals are the worst. I fucking guarentee you and this isn't a competition, I'm just warning you.

you sure you're not thinking of naltrexone?

jk just checked - huh - I did not know of this. thanks for this post, you're the first person I've heard of to be on buspar for opiate WD and certainly the first to say it helped with cravings.

Also wasn't aware it had GH related stuff - I'll now be spending my entire night reading about buspirone.

was nice talking to yall - I might be back on in a bit

yeah, that actually makes a difference in that it exceeds the boundaries of my medical knowledge. I don't know squat about the heart or blood medications. Wish I did so I could try to help but I honestly don't know more than 2 facts alone about heart pharmacology at all.

Are you fucking retarded??

Not op. Explain please.

Agreed, benzo withdrawal should really be done at a clinic. Or at least with someone to sit with you.
Since we're on the subject of withdrawals, a tip of the hat to tobacco. The symptoms may not be as intense, but they go on forever. Three years down the road and I still crave it.

Yes, I'm retarded. I've destroyed my brain using drugs, probably still make more money than you though

Have you tried F-phenibut op?

Had the same thing happen to me with etizolam. Been on it for a damn year and can't get off anytime soon bc I need it to sleep during my goddamn methadone withdrawl. Yay, drugs.

The sad part is I'm addicted to this shit and I have some of that on the way to my house, coming from India

I do appreciate the effort. I've been reading the information about the 'almost the same' medications from It's sounding like something I better not mess with. Should be OK for just occasional use, but there are just too many possibilities to consider so probably not worth the risk.

haven't totally destroyed it yet.

you got hope m8.

I've destroyed mine. This thread is the longest I've even paid attention to something in the last week. So thanks OP for starting it.

If you think your mind is gone now, just wait, it gets worse.

I'm clearly ranting wayy too much so I'ma sign off and eat food for the first time today. I think ive been up for 14 hours.

not sure how I'm functioning.

not sure why I'm on /b

not sure of much at all anymore.

OP: Hope your recovery from phenibut goes as well as it can - I've watched older men come off of harsher things and they didn't even have any motivation to do so. Even your post asking for help is motivation to do so. So please know that if you want a life without Phenibut, and to strengthen the good parts of your brain that are still well intact and potentially completely healthy (not to mention form new neural pathways in your recovery process that will make you feel amazing and smart and even younger, as if you are "yourself" again ((though this will take time and will come in baby steps for about 1/2 to 2 years)) so be patient), just know that life is possible. Keep asking, keep inquiring, go to more than one doctor, and be on as few drugs as possible.

Had to make one last post before signing off because this came up - GET YOUR ASSES TO THREE DOCTORS AND GET ONE OF THEM TO HAVE YOU FOLLOW THE ASHTON TAPER ON VALIUM.

Or since you found what you're on now, I'm sure you know of similar things sold by similar people that are also used for withdrawals.

I've seen people recover completely from etizolam addiction. It's a bitch - don't ever EVER go cold turkey, but you can get off of it, and if you havent been addicted for more than a few years, you can be yourself again after enough recovery.

Rule of thumb: never fucking buy short term acting thieno- or benzo-diazepines WITHOUT having enough long acting withdrawal benzos on hand.

That or concurrently take SOME amount of long acting along with the short - that way if your short acting is siezed or tossed - YOU DONT SIEZE AND TOSS. They won't give you withdrawal meds in jail. Only gabapentin, and that's not enough to even give you a branch to grab from the pits of withdrawal hell you'll be in.

Just common sense with benzos and thienos (thianos? spelling? I forget.)

Peace yall. Stay safe and always inform yourselves as much as possible about what's going into your body.

It's not that bad. Literally just use alcohol to get through the withdrawals and you'll feel better.

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