Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in the history of mankind. Not once

Based on

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Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Source

name one successful socialist state

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Why does that matter?? Fucking trumptards think just because something failed before it still will. Fucking apes

How many true socialist countries have ever existed, anyway?

ITT: Kids not understanding the difference between socialism and communism

> socialism has never succeeded in any country in the history of mankind. Not once.

Yeah and Sweden is an imaginary place

name one unsuccessful liberal state

Sweden isn't socialist. You lack basic education.

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Sweden is not socialist they have private ownership

Venezuela. Next.

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Sweden is a capitalist economy, they have a large welfare system and but they're not a socialist economy. Businesses are run by private individuals, not the state or worker cooperatives.

>Anything that is successful is socialism. Anything that is unsuccessful is liberalism. Wow, debating is easy!

>seething

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>they have a large welfare system
which constitutes socialism

Do you print that out and shove your dick right through her mouth?

Translation: my facts trampled your emotion and now you're upset

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name the economic and political system by which Venezuela is currently organized

No, that would just be a replay of 2016 what would be the point

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wrong welfare and regulations are not socialism

>a repeat of 2016
You printed out pictures of Clinton and shoved yoru dick through them?

>seething

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Regulations aren't. Welfare is.

We called them ballots but same general principle. It all ends with you flailing online for a comeback

No, a state being socialist has to do with how the means of production are controlled and operated, not how much welfare the state provides. If a democratic country with a capitalist economy has a large welfare system, that doesn't make it a socialist country. If the economy is controlled directly by the government or by "workers" then it's considered socialist.

>projecting

You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is

You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is
You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is
You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is
You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is
You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is
You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is

You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is

You are a retard who still has a retard's definition of what socialism is despite making this thread every day and being told what it is

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>genuine seething

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Not really. I'm just trying to imagine why someone would keep pictures of Clinton on hand if they hated her and it's the only explanation.
You probably wad them up and shove them up your ass too
until it's bloody

A word used by the Right to scare retards.

Welfare is government stepping in because the private sector won't. It is public control of money for relief purposes.
Welfare is socialism.

It's ok, I know that's the best you can do. You don't know what winning looks like because you haven't experienced it in so long.

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That's such a stupidly vague and broad definition of socialism it could be applied to any government spending, even under a monarchy.

So much winning

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>still projecting

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neither is welfare. socialist states include welfare but welfare is not socialist in an of itself

Thinking there's a difference between political parties. Good job.

But that's literally what you do. Until mucousy strands of blood run down your forearm.

It's quite accurate, actually. You seem to think welfare isn't a government service.
But you voted for Trump. Or would have, had you been old enough to vote.

No but welfare is a component of socialism our government uses. The Social Security Act is Democratic Socialism.

HE LOST THE FUCKING ELECTION HE DIDN'T HAVE THE MOST VOTES YOU FUCKING STUPID ASSHOLE

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I wonder if anybody on this fucking website actually unironically supports socialism or if we're all just morons trolling each other

Socialism? Nah
Democractic socialism? Sure

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Jesus fucking christ

So in order to be president you lose the election? Wow that's wild

Your line of reasoning is confusing. Welfare is a government service, and all government service is socialism, therefore any nation which is economically successful can be called socialist? And any which is not economically successful can be called capitalist or liberal?

Yeah but the men who started those socialist movements were immoral.
It would succeed if I were the leader. I'd do it right.

"socialism" in this context is the New Deal type socialism Bernie Sanders and AOC are bringing awareness of. Nothing else.
Nobody is trying to "take control of the production," we are simply trying to make capitalism behave more fairly in this society.

>It's not fascism, it's democratic fascism! What's the difference? Well, there is none, but we put democratic in front so it would sound less scary.

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Fuck you you know that shit was stolen how someone get the most votes and LOSE ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID

It's simple logic. People need to be subsidized by the government instead of the private sector. The people are subsidizing the people. It's socialism.

Government service does not equal socialist. That's retarded...

>it's not autism
>it's shitty troll autism
>I was tested for autism once
>me and my sister
>she wore a sport bra

Yeah. Everyone else is wrong about communism and socialism. You've got it figured out. You must have a really firm grasp of history and politics to write draft such a factual, eloquent post.

Yes it does retard.

Dumbass

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>What's the difference? Well, there is none
yes there is trumpshit

Right, and how do you propose to "make capitalism behave" other than having the government nationalize certain industries? Free healthcare for all? You have to nationalize the healthcare industry to ensure that. Green New Deal? Better nationalize that energy sector. And so on and so forth.

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Source?

>everyone else
>a small but vocal minority of seething screeching retards

Looks like we broke another kike shill

We've regulated capitalism before without having to nationalize it user. This is a shit tier argument.

Nah

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>Free healthcare for all?
It wouldn't be "free" shicklhead. It would be paid for out of taxes. It's called "Single Payer Healthcare."

>Green New Deal? Better nationalize that energy sector.
Don't have to. All we'd have to do is provide incentives for them to develop sensible products.

Alright, I'm willing to entertain the possibility that I'm wrong. Please enlighten me. How will it be different from the "democratic socialism" that is flourishing in Venezuela right now? They democratically elected a socialist, the socialists centralized the economy, then used that power to suspend elections and hold themselves in political power indefinitely.

There is no "source." It's simply what it is:
Public subsidization of wages.

Except that 22 trillion we have in debt. Make that work with all your free shit.

The Green New Deal talks nothing about "incentives" and says unequivocally that the energy sector will make these changes as prescribed by law, or face legal consequences.

So you're literally just going off emotion. Shocking.

Democratic socialism is not "flourishing in Venezuela." It's a corrupt country with a corrupt govt and private sector. There is no comparison.

no its not a component of socialism its a traditional method by which all governments throughout history have tried to manage poverty and the elderly. socialism includes it. it goes all the way back to the roman empire and further,

We're going to have to tax the fuck out of the rich, Wall Street and corporations and actually collect revenues because your Republican buddies kept cutting taxes.

Good.

If you want to add more regulations to the market, just say that. When you say you want socialism, I look at the dictionary which says that under socialism there is no private property and the government controls the economy.

There is literally no provision in the Green New Deal that requires "the energy sector" to create jobs.

You're a retard stop posting.

0.001% of people understand the national debt. you can get started here:

thebalance.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124

Nope. Just logic.
Which corporation or private sector interest is paying Social Security? Unemployment? Disability?

It's also technically socialism.

Again, we are talking about Democratic Socialism where the people have industrial democracy and public money goes towards projects that benefit this country, not corporations or billionaires.

>socialism has never worked
>all of the examples of it working aren’t socialism

Cope faggot

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Try not to use reason. Socialist only want free shit. They dont realize after the short term gain they will die from famine. But hey least they got their college debt forgiven. Had to get a phd in feminine studies

YOU SHUT UP
I MAKE THIS THREAD EVERYDAY BECAUSE I AM VERY INTELLIGENT

autism

>Venezuela isn't socialist! Forget the fact that Bernie was praising them for being the ideal socialist country only a few years ago! Now it's doing poorly which means it's not socialism anymore and never was!

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>government controls the economy.
Protectionism, tarrifs, taxation .

It’s certainly not ‘free market’

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The doctrine that there is no God; denial of the existence of God.

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There is literally no definition of socialism where the people have "no private property."

You are a retard. Stop posting.

Nice argument

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no that's the definition of Your Autism

I don't argue with autists

The threat of a working example.

Every ‘communist’ country has had to fight against American interference, aggression, assassination and subterfuge .

Hmmmm, I wonder “why” they “always fail”?

You're going to make the Childlike Socialist cry.

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It’s helps his position to misrepresent the opposition,

No matter how much of a derp it makes them appear

They fail because of communism.

just because you want jam your foot in the door and try and pretend theres degrees to socialism doesnt mean the things you say are actually socialism

welfare is not socialism

AKA a page out of the Republican Playbook

Medicare and Social Security is Socialism..
America has had a president that served three terms and he was a Socialist.. I guess America is proof socialism has succeeded.

Both sides have been doing it so long only an autist would pretend their side is superior

Then why does America have to work so hard, and spend so much, to destroy them, if they would fail on their own ??

socialism is a stepping stone to communism

isn't that basically what karl marx said about it?

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They didn't have the same level of technology. It can work in a modern society.

Misery deserves to be fought, sociopath

From merriam-webster.com: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

From Britannica.com: Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.

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If you believe in his theory of revolutions

>Merriam Webster
English for dummies

But only misery in communist countries....
Very selective of you

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I can't even debate with you people because your definitions are so nebulous and ill-defined. You say you want socialism but then say that socialism isn't socialism. You say you want public ownership of property but then say that private property rights will not be infringed. You understand why this doesn't make sense to me, right?

100 million dead isn't enough? And no, the US intervenes in plenty of non-communist countries. Ever heard of Iraq or Afghanistan?

You're just mad because it works

That's communism, you fucking tankie.

So you mean socialism or communism?
Or do you not know the difference?

no shithead
the Republicans literally need to lie and cheat to win. Look at what you elected ffs

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Yes. You’re a brainlet incapable of understanding pretty simple concepts.

>You say you want socialism but then say that socialism isn't socialism
Pretty sure they said they wanted Democratic Socialism, not socialism.
This is why it doesn't make sense to you.

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You're talking about a socialist colony user. A specific thing.
>property and natural resources
yes like housing
we already have state control of resources now

>Ever heard of Iraq or Afghanistan?
But that was to cause misery, not to elevate it.

The Great Satan speaks with a forked tongue

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So the ss check your grandparents get doesn't count?

Ah one of those. You have your head buried so deeply in your own ass that you can't imagine that anyone rejects the partisan divide you've built your life around.

>Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. Business, factories, industries, ect.
Yes, this is what Socialism always purports to be...

But, socialism in practice is communism, with its most basic example being Socialist Russia (USSR)...

Because with 100% of revolutions worldwide, as soon as the old government is gone, the People, the Workers, those promised all the things, typically get nothing but stripped private property and privacy rights as the new ruling class take all the power...

Fucking this

Ask them how many genders there are

To be honest, we should run the country like OSRS polls. Anything (including elections) needs at least 75% popular vote in favor to pass.

>ahh you’re one of those retarded leftists who have bought into partisan politics
Introspection is something that happens to other people in your world, huh?

Alright, I'm genuinely confused. Would you please define for me what you think those terms mean, in the clearest language you can use?

Getting rid of Sadam, Ghadaffi, and fighting the Taliban was done to increase misery?

You have a 1st world view of what constitutes misery.

On paper, there's kind of a difference these days...

In practice, a "socialist" nation and a "communist" nation will be pretty much the same thing.

22 trillion in debt. You want more. The end.

I've pointed this out once and I'll do it again: the fact that it hasn't worked in any country yet is irrelevant. It may still work in the ones where it hasn't been implemented. It may very well work in the countries in which it failed if we try it one more time. You can't judge a plan based only on the failed attempts. If society had adopted a policy of quitting just because we failed once or twice, we wouldn't have all the nice things we do.
>inb4 it wont work
You can't know for sure if you quit now.

On a purely mathematical statistical perspective, China’s current communist government has lifted more individuals out of poverty than any other system of government in the history of mankind.

Shit the bed all you like, nothing will change that hard empirical fact

I said both sides were terrible, and from that you jumped to the conclusion that I must be on the other side of the partisan divide. The level of cognitive dissonance you've grown accustomed to is astounding.

Based on what fact

Look at European countries such as Germany.
Can't make it any clearer.

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This is the mentality of the desperate.

The fiscal gap is more than 10 times that, the debt doesn't doesn't count unfunded commitments.

That's not socialism at all.

You're saying Germany is a socialist state?

Stop redefining the word debt so you van justify your gimme mentality. Your lack of economic knowledge rivals AOC.

Forced Regime change is illegal Under international law.
That was not the lies you told to justify the action at the time.

The Great Satan speaks with forked tongue

Based on the posters limited understanding of politics and the English language

Yes one of those who know the truth about what your side does, and how you're fucking up our country.

>Getting rid of Sadam, Ghadaffi, and fighting the Taliban was done to increase misery?
Well, those countries are still shitholes, so it doesn't seem to have done anything at all.

Putin's trolls at it again

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my fee fees

I am desperate. Desperate to give all people a chance at a comfortable life. Socialism is our best shot at doing that.

Meme, left, cant etc.

AOC has a degree in economics.
You have a degree from Trump University.

I'm a different user, retard. I'm just pointing out you're vastly underestimating the real debt.

forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2015/05/13/17-nobel-laureates-and-1200-economists-agree-with-ben-carson-re-u-s-fiscal-gap/

That's a good argument that degrees are worthless.

No, Democratic Socialist state.

Thanks for the example, but do you think you could actually define in words what socialism means, what democratic socialism means, and the difference between them as you understand it? I would very much appreciate it.

Ah yes, the European countries continuously clamping down on free expression more and more.

Hers isn't. Yours is.

Capitalism is best - says Oligarch overlords

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Why, so you can reply with stupid boneheaded Fox News talking points lol

Nation building and imposing democracy tends to lead to intractable messes. The US doesn't have a very good track record, but it does try. It's kind of unique that way.

We both know you don't give a shit either way so why waste both of our time?

Well, if you believe higher education should be purely transactional and not educational , sure ...
You’ll have missed the most important aspect of ‘education’...but sure

Hers is definitely worthless. Have you listened to her?

He roared self-righteously. Meanwhile China and Russia control America.

/b the post

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Isn't that what pretty much every country does nowadays? What does that have to do with anything?

I've listened to you being super triggered by her so I know she's doing something right.

If you have a degree in economics, you should be reasonably well informed about economics. That's not a transactional argument, that's just a minimum standard.

Meanwhile you elected a President with shit business sense and 5 bankruptcies. How does that work?

I do, and I'm asking in the most polite and respectful way I can. Please, I'm curious. I won't argue with you or even reply. I just want to know what you think socialism is and what you think democratic socialism is. I personally can't see much of a difference between them, so I'm interested to hear why you do. Educate me.

I'm not triggered by her. I came into this conversation only a few posts ago. You seem confused about this anonymous concept.

Without “socialist/communist” countries bailing out America in 2008, America would be a ‘failed state’ right now

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>Reminder: socialism has never succeeded
AOC has no power. She's not even a senator, she's a representative. This is typical Fox News FUD.

>Socialism doesn't work, let's never do that and never let anyone try it.
>Interventionism also doesn't work, but let's keep doing it.

Nah

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>reasonably well informed
Or, to put it another way, “educated”.

ITT: People who have heard of the word "socialism" but have no idea what it really means. Those same people apply that generic label the same way they call people "nazis" or "fags".

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>everyone does it so it's fine
You are a blight on humanity. You know that, right?

That's not a very good argument, he's started hundreds of businesses. Most businesses fail, so only 5 failures is a damn good track record.

If you want to criticize him, you should focus on how his overall wealth has grown more slowly than the S&P. He would have been richer today if he just took his daddy's money and invested it in an index fund than all this the high profile real estate stuff that's really about feeding his ego.

>durr it's not me being triggered it's the other guy
you're triggered too trumpshit

Protectionism, deregulation and trickle down economics don't work.

He's shit. He uses chinese slave labor. He sold steaks ffs.
He stiffed his contractors. Your President is a shit tier "businessman."

>everyone does it so it's fine
Can you show me where I implied that, at all?

That post had nothing do with socialism, and it was a criticism of interventionism. That you somehow came to the conclusion that I support all the failed attempts at interventionism is pretty amazing, user. I oppose it for the same reason I oppose socialism: Good intentions don't make practical policy, in fact that often lead to horrors.

I'm criticizing you. For believing a con man like Trump is even comparable to someone like AOC who went to school and got an education.

Faggot lol holy shit who talks like this

It has failed every time it has been tried, dipshit. The failure here would entail the collapse of our entire country. Do you not understand the consequences of a total economy collapse? Are you this fucking retarded?

Alaska

Yes, but educated in the sense of being reasonably well informed, not educated in the sense of having a degree without that basic knowledge and understanding.

Why are you in a site known for rape, racism and misogyny? You're either a shill or a hypocrite.

You're not really criticizing anybody, you're just making statements declaring your position.

Democratic Socialism was successful under FDR so no. Fuck you and your made up fucking cautionary tale that will happen to us if we don't adopt your Fox News Economy.

I'm not a Trump supporter, either. Very binary world you live in.

So do a lot of other businesses. You need to make a more coherent argument than that.

Until it gets to gender, then suddenly their life is a garden of variety

I believe in grammatical genders.

Based on what source

You criticise society, yet you actively participate in it!
Hypocrite much?

I’m very smart !

So you're just going to respond like a Republican trying to win an election?

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No shithead. Your President is a shit-tier "businessman" and you fucking know it.

Does it matter .
If it gives facts you don’t agree with you scream “FAKE NEWS” and ignore it.

Sweden is not successful. It was during the 90s and early/mid 00s, but since then something has changed

literally every resource including marx himself and every example of socialism that has existed so far

True

Worst of all.
He cheats at golf.

His ex-caddies have spoken bout how they were made to cheat for Trump, dropping balls on the fairway and green when Trump shot them wide.

There’s a saying in business, “if you cheat at golf, you cheat at business” it’s why so many business deals get done on the golf course.

Why hasn’t Trump released his tax returns yet?

>They let niggers in
just say it

>durr there is too
Stop posting retard

>Sweden is not successful

Jealousy is not an attractive quality in a person

china

I pointed out why your argument didn't work, and literally gave you a better argument pointing out how Trump isn't a great businessman.

And you somehow think I'm arguing he's a great businessman?

You really need to stop drinking the partisan koolaid. Though maybe a political Jamestown would be a good thing.

(You)

China is a communist country and they are killing it at the game lately.

Wait for it...
“China isn’t real communism”

Kek

(Fag)

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There is literally no proposal by AOC, Sanders or anyone else in govt to ban private ownership of property.

You were told to stop posting retard.

It is kind of funny how their economy took off when they started instituting capitalist policies.

I don't care what race you are, if you hate america so much you can leave, go live in sweden if you love it so much

(You)

>You were told to stop posting
Different user, but I see you posting this all the time. Does this ever work?

>he's started hundreds of businesses
Where did this myth start? A business entity is not the same as a business. So your statement is a lie.

Communism has varied in every country it has existed in. If you think they are not really communists then you are playing right into their hands.

If I could afford a passport and a plane ticket I would

>a private corporation manages and shares its resources with the populous

yeah i dont think you know what socialism is

America is not a democracy, it’s a republic

You, my friend, are an idiot.

No you didn't. You said "lots of businessmen fuck up."
And you somehow think I'm arguing he's a great businessman?
You should have shut the fuck up after this post, but you kept flapping your fucking gums:

Yeah they really killed it at the beginning when they were full on Communism and ordered the death of all birds. That led to bug infestations of crops, which led to one of the biggest famines of all time killing millions. They really killed it then.

The only way, ONLY WAY, they can stay afloat is to abandon economic communism and adopt a sort of pseudo-Capitalist system. Even in their own system they failed.

Communism, all Socialism, destroys the systems they claim to enlighten. Even the chinks admit it fails and, like all successful countries, turns to Capitalism in order to succeed.

>shell companies
Enron

op is a troll

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You elected an idiot to the White House.

I’m not your friend, buddy.

It uses democratic elections though for public office. All I'm saying is the Chinese are communist, they are successful and the means something.

President is a troll

It's pretty obvious you can't call welfare "socialism" because it works, user.
It can't be socialism, socialism doesn't work.
Your twisted logic flung before you.

If you have to file taxes as a separate entity and your finances are legally segregated, then yes, it's a separate business. That's what those words mean.

deflection. why would i be mad at a system i vote for and want in place? it however is terribly inefficient and poorly run as it stands 70% of tax revenue in welfare is used to support the bureaucracy of the system

Maybe you should spend less on pot every week

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merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

its not hard

I did say that, congrats you read one part of one of my posts.

But I said in the context of pointing out why your argument was terrible, and then I gave you a better argument that proves that Trump isn't that great a businessman.

What I actually said doesn't really fit the narrative in your head, does it?

True. But doesn't seem terribly relevant to the thread or the poster you replied to.

i never said AOC or bernie did any of those things, but your deflection ultimately doesnt change the facts about socialism

Welfare would be run a lot more efficiently if the private sector stepped up and eliminated the need for it altogether.

Working 4 jobs and barely covering my expenses.
Didn’t have parents to mooch off of tho

the goal of socialism is to achieve communism.

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It's pretty terrible to keep defending that stupid con man you elected the way you're doing.

i dont disagree

Except for the fact we're not doing what you think socialism is.

A word used by the Left to disguise their communist agenda

Stalin was a brutal dictator and there were poor people in Communist Russia where everything was supposed to be divided up.

Go the border, tell them you're an illegal alien from the country you want to go to, and have them deport you. Problem solved.

>ocasio-cortez is socialist
If you knew real socialists...

I'm simply saying that any Trumper who attacks AOC for her knowledge of economics needs to look in the fucking mirror.

>socialism
>communism
pick one

Are you a bot for russia?

It's pretty funny you think I support Trump, when all I did was post a long criticism of him.

I also criticized you, which seems to be your sticking point. Apparently, by your logic, anyone who disagrees with you, even if they do so by providing a better argument against Trump, is a Trump supporter.

Correct see, i think we should adopt Stalinism again, we first kill all the undesirables so sjw's and non believers of the communist state, then once we have cleared out all the parasites and done good population management we finally can have a state of workers who all work towards a common goal and have the basics provided to them, we can bring back family values and just kill off anyone who is slowing the progress of humanity and being a parasite.

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Which has no bearing on anything, because I'm not a Trump supporter and AOC's knowledge of economics is dismal.

If you don't support Trump, then why the fuck are you so resistant to get on the right page about who he is as a "businessman" like the rest of us, like Forbes, like Warren Fucking Buffet ffs.
Are you one of those "rugged individuals" roaming the boards showing your libertarian flag to any Democrats you meet?
Lol?

No wonder Republicans have this newfound love for Russia these days.

If you believe that, you are akin to a Trump supporter. You're that dim.

OK Frank. Shut up.

She's what you get when you hold a casting call for political office.

>AOC's knowledge of economics is dismal
source: Sean Hannity

She actually beat an incumbent who held the seat for 20 years user. The more you know...

You are talking about disregarded entities, which is irrelevant to the point. He did not create 500 businesses. He has one business, the trump organization.

Can't be a Nazi if you are a Communist, if you are a Communist then all the left and the sjw's have to stop advocating for Communism or else they will die under it, 4d chess

Kek

I'm beginning to suffocate under Trump's 4D farts

I'm not on your page, or anyone's. Nobody rational should be, that's not how logic and rational thought work. It's just tribalism.

I criticized your criticism of Trump, pointing out where it failed, and then provided a better criticism of Trump. It's still amazes me how you reversed that and decided I was a Trump supporter, despite my entire post being the exact opposite.

If you believe you're not a Trump support then you're a Trump supporter? Very zen. Or Moebius. Or something like that.

>Sean Hannity
That's funny because he's a college dropout.

the Pentagon is by far the biggest waste of money. Many of the people here that cry about socialism worship the Pentagon Temple

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Who is Sean Hannity?

The fuck does autism have to do with it retard? Autism only affects social environments unless your really autistic fuck if your gonna give him a mental disability at least give him a good one like retardation or paranoia

I've been rational. You've responded with knee-jerk deflection and attempts to lessen the criticisms being leveled.
And if you're not a Trump supporter, you're still doing him favors you don't owe

And Donald Trump is president. Does the fact he won make him someone who should be in public office? Dipshit.

That's not a useful definition, but let's run with it and see where it leads us. The argument was that Trump was a failure because 5 of his businesses went bankrupt. If you're claiming none of those are businesses, there's just one Trump business, then you just invalided that argument since he's still around and isn't bankrupt.

Because you're making the same talking points they use, when the facts say otherwise. She is an educated person who has excelled in math and science. She has a star named after her for her achievements.
Who the fuck are you?

Stop being a stupid brainwashed sjw and let us go back to living our lives like normal and we can stop the pain, i am okay voting for Trump again if it pisses the SJW's off, go away and let the country go back to its unity and family values again and we can start voting for other people.

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Some Fox News mouthbreather. You're better off not knowing.

>durr donald trump durr
christ you republishits deflect on everything lol

Point out these cases of "knee-jerk deflection", then. I criticized Trump, and based on that you called me a Trump supporter. Everything since then has just been you sticking to that position, and me explaining why it's wrong.

Because both these posts sounded rather
autistic. Let me guess. They're yours. :^)

You started being a huge faggot after this:

The facts don't say otherwise, read any reputable financial website, they'll point out the flaws in AOC's grasp of economics.

The asteroid's kind of cool (not a star), but she was in High School.

Fox and Friends isn't "facts" user

No, that's the first post I replied to. Here's that reply, which is where I criticized Trump, and you therefore decided I was a Trump supporter.

>read any conservative economist's point of view

I watched the OutFoxed documentary, that's my only exposure to your favorite channel.

It's not really about conservative or liberal when it comes to economics, there's a wide agreement on the basic facts.

Yeah but the expected thing would have been to agree with the conclusions being posted, not farting out verbal diarrhea attempting to discredit it with further apologies for Trump's shit business sense.
You're just a faggot.

And yet your entire presentation is right out of of Murdochville.