Was mathematics invented or discovered? And explain either one of these and why?

It has two levels:

1. A really big set of entities that doesn't exist purely in reality and the relationship between those entities (e.g: the relationship between the radius and perimeter of a circle) but things that are similar to them (a cilinder made of wood) still have their properties.

2. A big human convention of how to describe those entities

The first one is discovered (inventing PI sounds really weird because is something that was already there) and the latest one is invented (because it could be different,, different symbols, different conventions etc)

Math things doesn't exist in physical world

Nope. You can't be counted if there's nothing around to do the counting. Universal equations didn't exist until we created them. There is a difference between math and the things that math describes.

I remember one of my friends say that Mathematics is just humanity's way to understand the universe, so in this sense I'd say it's discovered.

Sure they do. The number 2 doesn't exist in the physical world, but a quarter sitting alongside another quarter does.

Math was invented in order to discover and explain something that was always present.

mathematical symbols and notation was invented. mathematics as a concept was discovered. the physical universe is not something we invented.

I guess more or less, everything is discovered. Edison didn't invent electricity, it was around before him, ya know. You just discover a way of doing something.

Btw op here, if you guys ever feel like the need to disagree. Keep it as civil as possible, other than that, all of you do have a really solid point and please keep up the good work! Also thank you all for coming here ;)

P.S you can either explain why discovered and invented at the same time

the logic of this world is something that is being counted and is a sum of the parts that it is made of, actual counting doesn't have to occur because the mathematics of why the wind blowing over here makes the leaves rustle and flower stems grow stronger near by, all these interactions are equations that are taking place. It's the same as if you were actively simulating a world. Universal logic doesn't just exist it has to be created through the equations of the expanding universe and worlds within it. Whether it's God or some unknown outside force, as things are added to the universe it is being added to the overall equations.

>the logic of this world is something that is being counted
You can repeat this if you want, but I don't agree.
>actual counting doesn't have to occur because the mathematics of why the wind blowing over here makes the leaves rustle and flower stems grow stronger near by, all these interactions are equations that are taking place
No, they aren't.
>It's the same as if you were actively simulating a world
Certainly not. For a simulated world, there would be an world that is doing the simulating in which math was invented.
>Universal logic doesn't just exist it has to be created
I mean, I agree that we created logic as well.

No matter who wrote down mathematics it would always have been the same. You can invent new ways to interact with mathematics but it wasn't invented. Communication was not invented either you can invent a new language but communication was always happening. Math is the language of the universe. You can disagree but that only makes you wrong it doesn't change math.

Regardless of whether we had invented mathematics or not, the universe would still be the universe. Again, there is a difference between math and the reality that math is being used to describe.

Name something in nature that has a negative value, and is not a concept made up by us, like "absence of something". Name something that is a matrix, which is not a linear transforamtion, or name something in nature that is a linear transformation.

/thread is over go home boys

Exactly because mathematics were already a thing being used to make and remake the universe. We didn't invent it and didn't have to either way we would be two and not one.

The language of math was invented after math was discovered.

as edison was an absoulte faggot who didnt pay for the creative work of others

No, mathematics was not already a thing being used. The universe simply was, and then we came along and invented mathematics to describe it.

This

You aren't going far bud. I'm sorry

Not an argument.

I know bud it's a statement of resignation that you just won't get it, I didn't say or imply that it was an argument and you can't read into what was typed.

I get what you are saying, I just do not agree.

gravity wasnt invented genius, I wouldn't even call measuring things a discovery, just necessity. Discoveries in advanced mathematics have been made overtime, but these are just advanced mousetraps that still must observe mathmatical truths or laws that pertain to our universe. Measuring the effective speed of gravity? A discovery. To invent is to make what once was not. Mathematics always existed, triangles were always the strongest, pi is always a constant. We just discovered ways to measure. Stupider ways than we used to if I could be so bold.

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Invented. I dont have to explain anything.

If you agree that languages were invented, you should believe that mathematics was invented too.

Mathematics is merely a universal language that was invented to more tangibly represent concepts which govern reality.

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Sound resoning but I guess this depends on your definition of "math". You may mean the ways in which we share and tanslate to others whereas I see it as significance in prime numbers, odd numbers, repeating values, fractals, spirals that the universe itself uses as a language because to any non laymen they are all connected in a very basic way. What we invented was "equations" not necessarily the "science of math". imho.

Except it isn't.

Mathematics was invented so as to describe relationships that were discovered in nature.

great summary of the thread with your opinion added cupcake

it is word semantics at this point

MATH TINGS

Both, depending.
In some cases there were problems that could not be solved with existing math, so new math was intentionally and deliberately invented to enable us to solve those problems.
And in other cases, people playing around with that newly invented math found unexpected things that could be done with it, which is discovery.

Also neither!
Sometimes people would just tell other people.

Yea, I guess I am sort of defining mathematics as more of a tool than a source. In that case, it would indeed make more sense to consider mathematics as being discovered as the "science" behind it would already have been existing in our universe prior to its discovery.

>t common core.

Whether something was discovered or invented, it would most likely spread by being taught to other.

Math that was invented is largely a product of trying to deal with some real-world problem.

Math that was discovered is largely a product of "pure mathematics".

The neat thing about "pure mathematics" is that there are various cases of then applying those discoveries to solve SUBSEQUENT real-world problems Graph theory does that shit a lot, but there's a whole cottage industry in academia of taking old data from a bunch of sources and doing a meta-study where you apply new statistical methods that weren't available at the time of the original research.

>thesaurus salad

uh huh, yeah, wow

I'm sorry to hear you're having trouble. Which words confused you?

None of them confused me. The part where you jammed them all together in an upper fueled euphoria like puzzle pieces that don't fit attempting to sound studious just made me doze off a second.

But you do you or whatever the kids say nowadays.

Developed for communication and then further for theoretical and practical concepts.

Like ancient mfs could be like:
Ungk, there are this many big fuckers over there. Fuck that over there.
And Ungk would be like:
Dungha, there are none on that side. Let's go there.

And later when someone wanted to know why they didn't go to one side of the lake they'd be trying to show how many fucker-whats were over there.

It's not an invent/discover. It's that the concept of there were 8 Big Fuckers and 2 of us. There are 6 more of than us. Fuck that noise.
And the development thereof from that simple principle of arithmetic.

But if it walks like a faggot and talks like a faggot, it must be OP.

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Something I've always liked about genuinely intelligent people is that they don't do this kind of insecure bullshit you're doing right now.

ono a rando on a eurpoian docking forum just conclusively proved I am retarded

geniuses get drunk on wednesday afternoon too buddi

Except that isn't what he did. Sometimes the simplest way of describing things may escape people or you may not be able to understand even the simplest way to describe said problem.

It is a map we made to chart the universe.

The map is not the territory.

>Was mathematics invented or discovered?
Invented.
>And explain either one of these and why?
Mathematics is basically a language meant to describe a combination of reality and concept. Would you say English was just 'discovered' because it's just a bunch of words for things that already exist? Not unless your an returd.

>replying for a friend
>the academia meta-data of pure mathematics

lel

>how would you ever know something that would exist, without ever seeing it or actually knowing it would exist in the first place
They actually do this with math and physics. They invent new branches of math, which predicts the existence of things in the universe, then 30 years later they find that it does exist.

Both. We've discovered the fundamental laws of the universe through the lens of mathematics, which we've invented to view them.

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Most based and most accurate answer here.

Invented. Mathematics is a tool,like a language that we have made to understand how universe behaves behind the scenes

To be this gay

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prove me wrong retard. Humans used their natural ability to discover patterns throught their lives and come with a language that makes them readable. Thats why math symbols looked different in ancient years

The best part about your Dunning-Kruger smugness is that wasn't samefaggotry.

100% true

>I bet I can talk harder and faster than you while having opinion based definitions of certain words and phrases!
>throught

You got ahold of that one.

this

only 20 minutes to summon your wizardly powers for such a stunning response. The defeat burns.

the concepts have always existed. perhaps some of the processes were invented.

I need more information on this differentiation between math for problem solving that was invented and math that was for problem solving that was discovered.
So calculus was invented and geometry was discovered?

Without math being defined the question is too ambiguous. Any attempts at consolidating an answer that is not likewise a juxtaposition of opposing truths is fruitless.

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Oy vey

Math that's invented is because a problem was not solvable in the existing maths. What's the ratio between the diameter and the circumference of a circle? This problem cannot be solved using rational numbers, so you invent Reals.

And then people fuck around with Reals and find a bunch of other neat math shit... some of which can be applied, some of which can't. Some of which moves from the second category into the first one as totally new technologies emerge.

And then there are problems that can be solved using R (e.g., what's the square root of negative one?), so we invent Imaginary/Complex numbers.

After we've explored that for a while, we'll find something C can't handle, and invent something else.

it was never really discovered because in that case, you must include the realisation of there being multiple entities and consciously know that there are, for example, 4 wolfs in front of you, then remember and know that there are 4 wolfs present, which might eat or attack you. fail to do this and you might escape or fight the first wolf, but the 3 others will kill you. they are calculating numbers, so all animals have discovered math in that case. or we could define it as the theoretical math, which is how you write it down and a formula, which was invented by some retards who didn't feel like remembering the amount of something so he probably held up his fingers and used them. or he got a stick and wrote it down

>answer
depends on how you define math

defining dubs

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Like a language, math is describing the reality, it is invented.

And maybe discoverd by black men who could not invent it and saw it some day when they moved to the white peoples.

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