Why has socialism never worked in any country ever? Is that a problem for libs?

Why has socialism never worked in any country ever? Is that a problem for libs?

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because its a shit ideology and humans are naturally greedy. Its a problem for modern day libs

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Yeah, I remember hearing about how China isn't holding 1.23 trillion dollars in US debt and how India, Vietnam, and Cuba are not at all exceeding their GDP year after year

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Not to mention that while Cuba might not be as strong economically speaking as the US, they do better on housing and basic necessities.

Socialism has worked in countries but communism hasn't due to the revolutions making the countries unstable, as well as the fact that communism is inherently more extreme than socialism and just doesn't work.

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Sweden

Because whenever it works US gets butthurt and invades/blockades/sanctions so it stops working. See Cuba for example.

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You make me Laugh you ameritards calling dems "socialist". See the programme and achievments of Roosevelt on 30's 40's and you'll see that it was far more socialist Than their actual programm. Like the revenue tax rate was like 80% for richer and yet no one calme Roosevelt as a dangerous commie. But of course you need a little education for that and not just watching foxnews...

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Chernobyl, if you understand that, you'll understand socialism.

It's just never been inplimented correctly.

The levels of socialism espoused by the majority of the Democratic Party have worked just fine in a large number of countries, with comparable standards of living, less poverty, and greater satisfaction. You act like Democrats all use Das Kapital as their bible, but in reality they want something that is just a bit more socialist than our currently already-somewhat-socialist society.

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The only time it ever kind of works is when you run socialist programs over the top of a capitalist economy.

Otherwise it runs out of money. Then you end up with shit like Venezuela.

Hey if you want to grow all the food you need with your bare hands and toil until you're too tired to enjoy your toys be my guest but with modern farming and manufacturing it doesn't take 70 man-hours to produce a weeks worth of necessities. It doesn't even take 40 hours. The only reason people need to work more than 20 hours is corporate greed

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what makes you say it hasnt worked?

how come socialism gets thougt up and implemented by inherently greedy people

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>already-somewhat-socialist
fucking nope. American society is liberal. It's still very very capitalist. Bernie is only SLIGHTLY socialist.
Real socialism is when the workers own and control the means of production. Anything less is liberal capitalism

Democratic socialism works practically everywhere where it has been introduced, and most of the happiest, safest and most corruption-free countries all employ a very democratic socialist welfare system. Socialism ≠ communism.

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examples?
Dont say sweden

>democratic socialism
>choosing to get ass-raped by the system
I think you mean "social democracy", because no Western nation on Earth is a socialist nation

For the same reason why democracies decay over time:
Because of selfish people in power.

Norway, Finland, Denmark, Netherlands....

ted.com/talks/harald_eia_where_in_the_world_is_it_easiest_to_get_rich/transcript?language=en

stale old copypasta from an old wrinkled boomer

The Republicans have made the argument seem like they will have all their money taken away from them in exchange for ephemeral things that they think they'll never need.
Essentially, they're uneducated, think short term and are easily deceived.

It also doesn't help that the people who would help them also want to erode society by eliminating its structure.

Social Security (of which you are a willing, card-carrying participant) is a socialist program.

Christianity invokes socialism.

Yada yada... shut your pie hole. You are a socialist on many levels.

lol this Tedtalk has absolutely ZERO mention of "democratic socialism"

>erode society by eliminating its structure
what do you mean?

You're delusional, friend.
70 hours a week doesn't go to producing necesities. 70 hours a week goes to me owning my own home and land at age 34. 70 hours a week goes to me buying a new $4300 rifle for competition just for shits and giggles. 70 hours a week pays for my wants, not my needs.
Having a connection to the food you put in your body isn't toiling in my opinion. What are you producing to advance civilization in all your free time? Nothing. That's what I though.

I am dutch, dont know tf you're talking about, this country is a fake shithole. most people arent really happy. Rather cucks.

How do you have time to do competitions if you're working every day?

That is to say, society is strongest when it has clear goals and rewards based on a structure that the majority of people agree on.
Get a job, get married, have kids, for example. This has worked basically for every society in history, and should be the promoted course.
Promoted doesn't mean "only" just that this is the course that should be seen as what would be best for most people.
Lefties, however, want to fuck that over. There's a strong push to make sure that there is no "normal" and that every option is considered as valid as every other.
This leads to society becoming fractious since there's no common ground any more, no agreement. Everyone has their own ideas which, no matter how retrograde to a stable society, are considered by the people in charge to be just as valid and worthy of promotion as routes that actually benefit society.

can u dont

Ex USSR citizen here.
If you want prosperity in your country Kill all commies.

I compete on sundays. I work my day job mon-sat 5am till I get done, then I deal with the garden, chickens, and rabbits. When all that's done, I engrave English and American scroll on guns, knives, pocket watches, etc which I sell at monthly shows. Then I'm in bed by 8. To the gym by 4am so I can be to work by 5.
Most of my time at work I spend on my kindle, reading whatever I want to read that day.

>Get a job, get married, have kids
Who says you can't have that as your goal and work towards it?
I don't want to be "that guy" but this thinking: that individuals should sacrifice their personal freedom for the (imagined) good of the nation is literally fascism

>Most of my time at work I spend on my kindle, reading
What job lets you read most of the time?

You're blurring the line between work and hobbies just to bump your numbers up

Your life sound shit and you're gonna go to the grave with a lot of regrets. At least your kids will live comfortably off your back.

So they can tax you heavily and embezzle it

You must be retarded. You have all that you want, produce what you need, and you STILL need to work 70hrs a week? I work ~20and bring in a 6figure income. Sucks to be poor I guess.

I run an asphalt plant. 5 man crew. Once I get rolling, I sit at a computer and do nothing all day.
My "numbers" mean nothing. I'm at my plant 70 ish hours a week. One of my hobbies makes me money, one costs me money.
I've been having a lot of fun the past 10 years, i appreciate your concern though. I don't have children and never will. Everyrhing I make, I will spend. Believe that.

I work 70 a week because my day job is to easy to quit. Sit in a chair and read whatever I want? Sure I'll take a free paycheck

>I sit at a computer and do nothing all day
I hope you understand that there are people out there who actually WORK when they're at work and contribute something to society

Sucks to be them. I recreationally read about 80% of my working time. I love reading so it's a good spot for me. Get paid to do what I enjoy doing? Zero stress, nearly zero liability? Yeah I do feel bad for those people breaking their backs.

Society thinks I'm worth something. Because I get paid pretty well for what i do. I sell over 100k in product a day... from a 5 man crew. I'm worth something to someone apparently.

You know you can't brag about working 70 hours week then right?

Because the first most successful attempt at it came to Russia after it suffered a loss in ww1 killing 1/10 of its population, a civil war, a second civil war, an Allied intervention in the nation and attempt to overthrow the Bolsheviks to get Russia back in the war a famine in the 20's killing 5 million more, japanese occupation until the 1925ish suffering hardships due to the need for rapid industrialization in order to build a modern military force that can defend the nation, a second famine killing 2.5 million people, a second world war killing 1/8th of its remaining population and destroying a significant amount of infrastructure, a 3rd and final famine killing between 100k and 1m people, then having to have a multi decade nuke stand off with the countries that invaded you in your nations first year of existence, while trying to help nations that follow in your socialist ideals, as they are mostly undeveloped agricultural nations who revolted against brutal dictatorships while the other nation in your arms race is actively invading, sanctioning, or funding opposition groups, including religious extremist groups, just to try to get you to go away, as your ideology was deemed a threat, to the point nations started banning it, or requiring people to register with the government. While trying to avoid a war so you don't end the world, even though the other party put nuclear missiles that have only first strike capabilities right on your border then told the world you were bad for responding in the same way. But in despite this all you become the 2nd ever global superpower, raising the standard of living for the entirety of your massive nation to a level that matches the united States in most places but income, and even surpasses it in some areas. Making innovations in the tech, pharmacy, and industrial fields without the need for private for-profit business. But yet still be considered a failure.

You're a leech on the belly of your employees. I don't know why you'd brag about that

Of course I can. What my paycheck says. 65-70 a week. My hobby pays me better per hour, but I spend a lot less time doing that so I dont really count that as working.

My employees are paid 95% of what I make. Were all paid pretty well. They are also here voluntarily.

Why do they get paid less than you when you do literally nothing?

>socialism is bad because it encourages people to sit around doing nothing
>oh also I read whatever I want on my kindle 70 hours a week and get paid for it
fucking capitalists man

You just said you read 80% of your "work" time. You should say "I work 14 hours a week and sit on my arse for 56 hours doing nothing and getting paid for it. 70 hour work weeks are easy lol!"

As well as having the best medical field in central America, that's only hindered by costs for basic supplies as your big brother to the north is still holding a nearly 60 year grudge

I've been here longer, have more experience, have worked every single position they work. When something breaks, I know how to fix it. When I dont know how to fix something, I know who to call. I have built contacts over the years with people in the companies that make my equipment. When I need parts i know where to find them.
Could any of them do what I do, of course. Can they do it today? No.

Dem != Lib

100k in product leaves my plant every day. The vast majority shipped to private companies. When I have a problem, the product stops shipping. Who do you think fixes all these problems?

>You're a fool if you think you should be able to afford a comfortable life and a house off of just 20 hours a week
>also I only work 14 hours a week but I'm going to lie to you and say it's 70

I´m dutch and you are absolutely right, it was a great socialist country, but we got fucked over by Corporate dicksuckers in politics. The Last 20 years have been terrible.

You should just train one of your 5 employees to do it, then kill yourself leech

No because *THEY* are going to do it right.

The vast majority of Venezuela's economy is in the private sector, the only big industry that's nationalized is the oil industry, which is the only valuable resource the country has, the issue with Venezuela isn't socialism, it's that its a one resource state that funded the entirety of their social programs on, as opposed to high taxation, so when oil prices plummeted a few years back, it through the economy into chaos, leading to it's current unfortunate condition. This same thing could happen to Saudi Arabia if the world is no longer dependent on oil, and they are anything but socialist

I cant help that you dont get paid to do what you enjoy. My paycheck says 70 hours. That's the time I spend away from other endeavours. So yeah that's the time I count as working. My hobby that pays me better per hour, I dont count as working.
I have 4 employees. I'm the 5th. Plant needs 5 hands to run. I'll keep getting paid SLIGHTLY more than the less experienced guys that do about the same amount of work that I do and i wont feel bad about it.

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It's working in every country it been apply, you bunch of morrow are just so brainwashed that you think socialism is communism, can't do anything for you, just open a fucking book

The guy that owns the plant, as well as 5 other plants, numerous subsidiary companies, and only visits me once a month or so, takes all the risk in owning all the companies, finds all the contacts, assumes all the liability, should and does make way more than me. I have zero liability. I make good money and when the shit blows up, I walk away and take no losses. None of my employees do either. So yeah. I'm happy hes way richer than me so this shit show can keep rolling and I can keep making money at no risk. I have everything I need and buy whatever I want. Some of my leisure time makes me money. Some of it costs me money. I enjoy all of it. You can be mad that I'm happy where I am, doesnt affect me one bit.

Just because a piece of paper says something doesn't mean its automatically true. If you're not lying, you work less than 20 hours and a piece of paper has some numbers on it. That's what's actually happening in reality. Saying you "work" 70 hours a week is disingenuous and insulting to people that truly work those kinds of hours.

I hope you don't really think a six figure salary is a lot.

With all the loopholes in place at the time, nobody actually paid those tax rates.

If you don't have kids/crippling insecurities its more than enough.

And with all the loopholes in place right now, nobody pays the top marginal tax rates, which are now lower, with likely similar if not greater deductions through loopholes

why are you all so obsessed with AOC?

why can none of you tell the difference between socialism and communism? (its obvious you mean communism cause socialism is working fine, including in the US, schools, fire brigade, police, military, all socialized)

communism has worked, look at china, you're scared shitless of china, because its working, you also owe a boat load of money to them and their average working wage is increasing faster than yours

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People get paid to do different things. Physcoligists never sweat, but they're working. The market values what I do at the rate I am reimbursed, therefore I'm working. Good weeks, I sweat 0 hours because nothing breaks. Bad weeks, I sweat 60 hours. Physical labor does not equal work. The plant is running when I'm here, the plant doesnt run when I'm not here. I'm here 70 hours a week, away from other things I could be doing. I work 70 a week.
My last job I was working 18+hours a day 5-6 days a week. Every week. For months at a time. Liability was through the roof. Stress was through the roof. Did it for 7 years. For half what I make here. Dont give me the working class bullshit. I'm not rich and without my work, the product doesnt get made.

Tell your superior how much time you spend reading and see how valuable you are.

Have. He does less physical labor than I do, assumes more liability than I do, and has more specialized experience than I do. He gets paid more than I do too.
Hmmmmm

France seems to be doing well.

this video shows AOC is super hairy

youtube.com/watch?v=cy8w8ukrLG0

Okay, I am a communist and I'm going to have to stop you here. Public projects like those you listed are socialist in nature, but only slightly. Socialism is mutually exclusive with capitalism. There can be no private for-profit business in a socialist state, think Soviet Union or China minus their special economic zones. Norway, Denmark, and Sweden are social democracies, a mixed market economy with heavy regulation and vast networks of social programs and services. There has never been a Communist state, as a true communist state has eliminated class and money, while maintaining as close to perfect equality as is reasonably obtainable.

You sound like a waste of money and the first sign of economic downturn you're probably gone. It really does sound like your plant could be run with less employees assuming that 15-20 hours of work a week you supposedly do. That 50 hours you're leeching could employ a full time or two part timers. And liability isn't a magic word that means your position is justified. Also, he's right to take the extra share of money, he owns the business.

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this nigga says he works 70 hrs a week, and then brags about some shitty 4k he spent on a gun...bruh,you are poor. we can all see it. you just can't and i guess there is merit to that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China

k, im not going to argue, cause debating this stuff on Yea Forums is stupid, but you can surely see how someone might not have as strict a definition as that

especially when china itself purports to be communist

Socialism works very well if the people's culture in the country is coherent with such a political system

The 4 guys that work for me aren't being worked into the ground either, it's just that this job isn't hard, and pays decent. Who's going to run the plant when I'm canned? Someone has to do it.. gotta be someone in the chair with the know how or else were at a standstill. Just like there has to be a person filling the other 4 slots. Are their inefficiencies? Of course. There is waste in every company. I'm glad my supervisor makes more than me. He takes more risk than I do. I'm glad the owner makes WAY more than I do. He takes WAY more risk than me.

That's really not a strict definition, that's like basic terminology. And they don't call themselves communist, their ruling party is a Communist party, but they consider themselves a socialist state moving toward communism

22 ounces of gold in the safe. Closing in on 200 ounces of silver. Own my own house, not the bank. Own my own land, not the bank. Eat what I want, buy what I want, drive the car I want, been to almost every island between Puerto rico and Trinidad on a private sailboat. Yeah I'm poor as fuck lol. If I'm poor, I never need to be rich. I'm happy where I am.

My friends buy houses to rent out to build value to pass to their kids. I will never have kids. I blow whatever I want because I will never pass anything on. Life is short. I'm having fun now, not saving for kids to waste.

There's inefficiency, and there's an employee working 20 hours a week and saying he works 70.

I'm working right now, making product. Made over 50k in product already and it's still early. How much have you made for your owners yet today?