Wizard here. How do you convince someone to have sex with you?

Hookers : Money
Most Women : Money
Unicorn women : Have a fucking personality, don't be disgusting looking and don't smell bad

Ask them out? How do you initiate physical contact? You touch them

Become worthy. Accept responsibility.

Money isn't the issue. I don't think I could enjoy sex with a prostitute knowing she doesn't give a shit about me and is just counting down the minutes until she can leave.
10 seconds? So pretty much the only thing she can base that decision in is looks then, right? Guess I'm fucked. Just not literally.

money,

and no you don't have to pay them. Girls are all about money after 20. before 20 its all about looks,

and after 22 their just a waste of used up space.

due, i hate to break it to you but women in general don't give a shit about you or any guy. women are parasitic cunts that will drop your ass in a second for someone 1% better. if your fucking a hooker you are getting EVERYTHING from a relationship without the heartache and fuckery. YOU are worth it, bitches are a dime a dozen.

This

If I have money but would much prefer a normal woman to a hooker, how do I use money to my advantage?
Assume you're talking to someone who has absolutely no clue what he's doing, since that's not far from the truth. Normies might be able to extrapolate from these high level statements into what they actually need to do, but I can't.

Do you still manage to attract women with that attitude towards them?

I've only found one way that works, OP: pay her money.

Let's face facts: No one is going to willingly have sex with a guy like me unless they're getting paid well to do so.

I accept that reality and spend all my time wishing I was dead.

I wish I had something better to say, but I don't. If you find another way to have sex that doesn't involve paying her, let me know. I'd fucking love to hear it OP.

Where do you find prostitutes now that backpage is down?

bro, read some god damn google sear h results on how to talk to win, how to ask women out, how to meet women etc...

go to places where women are; library, gym, running trails, grocery stores, beaches, lakes, bars, nightclubs, yoga, spin class, go to fucking meetup.com and find groups... don't be weird, make casual convo, and if a girl laughs a lot in your presence she's ripe to ask out. be straight to the point: "hey you've got a cute smile, laugh, etc, wanna grab some drinks?"

physical contact is easy af, you lightly brush their shoulder while laughing, bump into them playfully, comment on a tattoo or birth mark or scar and touch it, casually brush hands when passing a drink or food.

Jesus Christ are you retarded??

I haven't dated, so my experience is admittedly limited, but I do know a fair number of women and most of them are nothing like that. Where did you get that opinion of them? Who hurt you?
Do they at least make you feel comfortable and wanted if you're paying for it? I guess that's still a possible last resort.

>convince someone
See, there is the problem.

Easily.

A womans test in life is material, a mans test in life is a woman.

Do the fucking math dude. Having money attracts women because it implies you have social standing or at the minimum it means they think they can take it from you. Don't be that dumb fuck who gives them anything unless they work for it though.

At their core, everyone has a price. You wanna act like a "traditional relationship" fine, take her on a date, maybe a dinner Don't be surprised if afterwords you get nothing. Most women in this day and age are shallow as fuck and interested in Money and looks only. You'll find a few exceptions to this but again they're exceptions. If you want sex, just get a fucking hooker and call it a day. If you want genuine human contact and comfort, you need to work on yourself. Go to the gym, get fit, for fucks sake SHOWER, work on your social skills and the rest will fall into place naturally.

Don't like being in social situations? too bad, at least once a day, go outside of your comfort zones. Try new things. Only into white girls? hit on a black girl, have an asian fetish? hit on a mexican girl, practice and don't sweat failure. Sucking ass at things in life is the first step to being not so shitty at them and eventually decent or good.

Imagine being this fundamentally broken as a person

>are you retarded
Socially, quite possibly, though my brain apparently works well enough in other aspects that people will pay me good money to use it.
The problem I have is that there seems to be a tiny window of opportunity after a meeting a woman when you could potentially ask her out (some anons here say that's 10 seconds), and after that it's a purely platonic relationship. I don't know whether I'm interested in someone in the first 10 seconds, and by the time I know here well enough that I might find her personality attractive, we're already well bast the friendship only line.
Physical interaction always feels awkward to me though. Whenever I try to initiate it, it feels forced, both for me and the recipient.

i just use local areas were hookers hang out, dive bars and titty bars are good. check out the business cards in the bathrooms etc. i honestly don't think many people realise just how easy it is to get laid for a few $$.

Ask for the girlfriend experience. Tell them you're nervous, because a nice slut will already know by your body language and will appreciate you owning up to it.
Most hookers by their early twenties will take care of you from there

I make good money and it has never once helped me get a date. I could easily take a woman out for a nice dinner every weekend, but since I have nobody to take to dinner, I just spend the money on scotch to drink alone.

user, please do me a favor and get laid this coming weekend. you are clearly naive about women, anyone that has played the game for more than a couple of years will tell you the same thing i've stated. women are as shallow as a puddle of snake piss, yes even yours and my ear old moms. women today are all about looks >? substance. you can be the nicest guy in the world, but your girl will fuck brad pitt in front of you. you could be the most charming man on earth, but she'd drop her panties for leo dicaprio so fast it'd stun you. women these days are pure narcissism fueled by an overwhelming need for material shit to show off to other harpies. you obviously don't like hearing this, but it's a fact.

wrong. you keep pretending and i'll keep fucking. carry on.

You're either socially awkward or physically fucking hideous. Both can be addressed.

Social awkwardness is something that can be broken by practicing or if you're a true autist, take one of those social engineering classes.

If you're fuck ugly, go to the gym, get fit, get a fucking haircut. If you have big money, plastic surgery exists.

There are plenty of them in other countries, user, and they're often cheap, easy, very good at their jobs, and easy to find and locate.

Being god-awful with women and being a 41 year old wizard does have the advantage that I've saved a ton of money by giving up on the opposite sex. I can easily afford the cost of a plane ticket and a couple thou spending money in other parts of the world.

You want the best? Then leave the west. Even western hookers are broken beyond repair, user. A Mexican hooker will do a far better job, at 1/12th the price, that a Nevada whore will do.

>Do they at least make you feel comfortable and wanted if you're paying for it? I guess that's still a possible last resort.

Depends user.

In the US? No, that's why I don't use American hookers anymore.

In other non-western countries? Yes, totally worth it.

Assuming everything you say is true, I have zero chance of getting laid this weekend, or ever. No matter where I go, there will be a guy who looks better than me, so the women will always pick him over me.
I'm trying to work on my social skills. I can hang out with a group of men and women, and appear to be a somewhat normal human being.
I'm fairly average looking. Every day I walk by loads of people who look worse than me but are still having sex. I don't think plastic surgery is a viable solution for anyone though. People with far more money than me have spent fortunes on it and still end up looking like the stuff of nightmares. Michael Jackson comes to mind, but there are plenty of other horror stories.

Maybe so, but that means you'd have to go to Mexico. I'd rather not get mugged and beheaded by drug cartels.

Keep working on your social skills then, do yourself a big favor by spending more time conversing with the women in the group though so that way you know how to act around women without making yourself look like a fucking idiot.

Also,like I keep saying, go to the fucking gym. Confidence and attitude will carry you a long way, but being in shape is how most women judge a man that they want to sleep with. Sign up for tinder or something, and just swipe yes on every woman you match with. use it as practice.

The women are usually easier and more interesting to talk to anyway. They'll happily talk about their hobbies and interests at length, and generally seem interested and engaged in whatever I have to say. It's all just friendly conversation though. Nothing ever goes beyond that.
Do you think an average guy has any shot on Tinder though? Seems like in places like that looks matter even more than they do in the real world.

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Thats why it's the best place to practice. because you know you're not going to get much in the way of attention anyways so treat it as nothing more than a training experience. Talking to women you have no real interest in is a great way to learn proper social skills that can translate into using those skills on a woman you ARE interested in. Also, tinder is full of sluts who just want attention and some of them will reward you with pussy or at least a blowjob for said attention. If you fuck em, wear a condom and don't go to their house. Be safe use a motel

>use a motel
That sounds so seedy though. Do people really still get motels for sex these days? If I don't trust someone enough to go to her place, or have her come to mine, I'm not sure I'd even want to have sex with her.

Only people who get mugged and beheaded by Drug Cartels are people who get stoned drunk and go LOOKING for the Drug Cartels.

Do you really think the Cartels want to go after American mongers? That's the quickest way for the US to get more, ahem, hands on with them, and that never ends well.

They want a life of being able to handle their business, make money and encounter as little trouble as possible. You're safe, as long as you don't go looking for them, because they sure as hell won't go looking for you.

kek. This 100%.

If not them, it might just be Juan on the street who needs some money to feed his 14 starving children and will do anything to get it. It's just not worth the risk.

yes it still happens, if you don't want to do that fuck in your car but that's not as enjoyable as having a bed so you can have full motion of positions etc. Going to her place can be a set up to get you robbed. Bringing her to your place gives her an opportunity for her to steal your shit dude. You gotta think this shit through. You're meeting someone from the internet who you likely will never see again. think of it, you bring a girl home to your place, fuck her, get up to take a piss, while you're in the bathroom, she puts a ring or two, a watch, or grabs a credit card or some cash out of your wallet. you'd never notice it until it was too late. You go back to her place, you could walk in the door and there could be people waiting to fucking rob you. It's happened. It's not common no, but this shit does happen.

>convince
you're off to a bad start

can you give us some info about self?
A pic would be great.

But, what do you wear on the daily? On a date? What's your haircut? Whats yr height weight?

Stop drinking alone. Drinking is bad for mental health.

Oh GOD not this faggot again. You will die alone

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Well fuck. If it might be a trap at her house, it could just as easily be one at a motel. There's a knock at the door: "Room service." She says she'll get it. Two burly dudes enter the room, take all my shit, and then leave with the girl. Or they might just mug me on the street. Guess I'd better just stay alone in my house where it's safe.
No face here for obvious reasons, but here's me rocking the dad bod. Daily, I wear jeans and a polo. On a date? Dunno, that's never happened. I've got shoulder length hair (and before you all jump on me saying this is the problem, I keep it clean and well groomed, and I had no better luck with women when I had short hair). 5'9'' 190lbs.
I know, but it helps numb the pain when I'm sitting at home along after a long day of work.

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I've been going for years, and never had a problem. People there are pretty friendly.

Do you speak spanish? The language barrier would also be an issue.

it's easy bro
just be yourself and you'll find someone eventually

Nah, himself is garbage. He needs to pretend to be someone else.

I agree with this. "Be yourself" is such bullshit advice. I've been myself my entire life and it hasn't worked. I'm not sure how to convincingly become somebody else though.

I've never had to "convince" a woman. It's usually pretty easy to tell if they want to have sex or not. With that said, my looks are slightly above average and my aloof nature works in my favor (you still have to know when to be aggresive).

If you're batting low in the looks department, get in shape and learn how to make a woman laugh.

Let's suppose you were setting up a business, in Mexico, to attract American mongers to come down and burn through mountains of cash to fuck cute, hot Mexican girls who speak no English.

Do you think you'd just leave that as is?

No, you'd hire translators. The brothel that can offer communication is the brothel that will most easily make a sale. Economics solves some of the language barrier, money solves the rest.

I bring a laptop with a translator program on it, and when I get the girls upstairs and alone, I use that to communicate. These girls love to text, and they can all read and write well, so its never been an issue.

As for people in general in Mexico, a translator app on your cell phone is all you need to navigate most situations. Like I said before, people there are very friendly and they have a lot of patience so long as you're making an effort.

How can you tell if they want to have sex? Why does it have to be such a complicated mind reading exercise? Why can't people just be straightforward about their intentions?

If "being myself" hasn't produced a damn thing, and I'm 41 and I've been trying for a lifetime, then the obvious conclusion is that who I am is shit as far as women are concerned and that I absolutely should try to be other people.

Remember, in a contest between "yourself" and "Batman" you should always choose to be Batman.

Wizard? Cast “Charm Person” and take it from there.

Eye contact, body language, etc etc.

Unless you're either chad thundercock or confident enough to pull it off being straight forward doesn't work well. Women like the "dance" of subtlety.

Men have the tendency to want to stomp the gas pedal and go in a straight line. Women (most, not all) want that slow acceleration of tension.

I once thought as you did, user. I wondered to myself "why is this so hard? Why can't people just be straightforward about their intentions?"

Then I realized that people WERE being straight-forward about their intentions: no one wanted to have sex with me. Its just that my loser mind desperately wanted a girl to want to have sex with me so I confused "no" for "maybe" and that was my fault and I was being an idiot.

If a girl wants to have sex with you, it will be extremely obvious. If its not extremely obvious, if you think there are mixed signals, then the answer is "No" and that's on you.

Girls don't send mixed signals, user. They try to let you down gently or even prevent you from ever asking so that she never has to say no. Your loser mind interprets that as "mixed signals" when it isn't: she's not interested. Its clear as day.

If she is interested, then she will find a way to make it happen. If she hasn't done that then you're a loser user.

Haha, I can only imagine the comedy of errors that would be trying to have sex with someone while communicating through a translator program:
>baby, your pussy looks so hot
"this kitten appears to be on fire, infant"

Some girls won't make it obvious, because they want you to pursue them. They mostly have daddy issues. This is where the confusion stems from.

I get your point, but batman? He had to watch his parents get killed, and he never gets to sleep because he's always fighting bad guys. Maybe I'd pick somebody else to be instead.
Unfortunately I've only mastered the negative aspects of the social influence school. I can cast "Dispel Attraction" and "Sphere of Repel Females" but those haven't been terribly useful.

They probably dropping your ass cause you a pessimistic baby. Maybe the good women just dont want you .

Translator programs are pretty good these days, and you don't actually use that while you're doing it, its for before you do it, and after you do it. She knows enough English and I know enough Spanish to get through the intimate parts.

If its a slow night and there aren't many people there, sometimes, these girls will just stick around with you for an hour or more and just want to chat after business is done.

Also, if you have a translator program, asking one of them out to lunch, and offering to pay for both of you, is a strategy I've had success with more than a few times. I bought lunch and dinner for a sexy Latina last time I was in Mexico and we talked for a few hours before I paid for her professional services. That was the best time I ever had with a girl, and she fucked my brains out, balls to the walls.

What sort of extremely obvious things would they do in the hypothetical situation where they actually are interested in me?
I'm sure they probably never will be, but if by some miracle it ever does happen, I'd like to know what to look for.

>I get your point, but batman? He had to watch his parents get killed, and he never gets to sleep because he's always fighting bad guys. Maybe I'd pick somebody else to be instead.

Have you seen the tail that a billionaire playboy by day and a brooding, dark vigilante by night gets?

Batman is utterly irresistible to women, he fills in both their need for the ultra-wealthy provider type to keep her in a life of luxury and ease and her need to take miles of badboy cock whose constant stream of violence and moodiness fills her need for drama.

Batman is the God-tier sexual fantasy of every woman. That's why he gets more tail than anyone.

Because you are thinking about it too much. Because you are looking to create the opportunity, instead of just waiting for it to come and then doing it.

If they make a joke about you, while laughing give them a playfull bump in the arm, if you see something like a little bit of dirt in the side of their shirt, brush it off and keep whatever you where doing normally. If you wanna get her attention to something while she isn't looking, instead of just saying her name, tap her arm and say her name at the same time, then point at whatever the fuck. Shit like that

>Some girls won't make it obvious, because they want you to pursue them. They mostly have daddy issues. This is where the confusion stems from.

If you say so, user. Every time I've pursued a girl, she just didn't want to have anything to do with me.

You're asking a 41 year old wizard, user, hell if I know.

I was roommates in college with a gay guy who was a 100%, grade-A Chad, though, so hanging out with him a lot, I saw the symptoms. Girls gave him their phone numbers completely out of the blue, without him asking. Girls asked him out to dinner and drinks. Girls wouldn't let him leave, they tried to flirt for all it was worth.

That's the only time I've seen Chad in the wild, user. Most of my real-life friends are virgin losers too.

But his girlfriends also get kidnapped and killed at a much higher rate than average, so there's that.
>waiting for it to come
I've been waiting for an opportunity for 33 years. It doesn't seem like waiting is a very good technique.
Those do sound like good approaches for basic physical contact though.

You probably aren't attractive. Not trying to be a dick just saying.

Is there any hope for unattractive men?

Men will pay for sex. Women will give sex for (huge amounts of) money or (a feeling of) true love.

Convince a woman that you truly love her and you may have a chance. Also, just like you can't afford a Lamborghini, you cannot expect to fuck a beautiful woman unless you're rich or extremely handsome yourself. So, try to get with a woman at or near your level. Fatties, girls with flat chests, or "ugly" girls with bad faces, bad teeth, crossed eyes, et cetera. Good luck, my wizard.

Yes, just get money or have a valuable skill.

You can get a pretty nice used Lambo for around 100k. If I seriously thought that would significantly improve my life, I'd get one. I'd much prefer an average looking nerdy weird girl to some gold digging bimbo who chases after guys with nice cars though.
Again with the money. See above ^

I wasn't talking to you loser. You're a lost cause.

Who exactly were you talking to then? You were responding to my posts.

No. We should all kill ourselves, user.

>Convince
If you need to convince her it's the wrong girl. Find someone who convinces you. Lower your standards until it happens and work your way up from there

Oh well, you're a lost cause. The problem is your attitude plain and simple. You're a crybaby, woe is me, the world is out to get me faggot and that's why you're still a virgin. Deal with it, and stop making what amounts to cringey AMA threads.

Does this really happen? Do women ever initiate sex? I'd be open to have sex with pretty much any woman who offers, but this has never happened.
I don't blame the world for my problems. I realize that everything wrong in my life is my own fault.

Learn how to act, read body language, become fluent and capable in conversation, and study psychology. The quickest way to get a woman wet is through her emotions.

>Do women ever initiate sex?

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This sounds like a lot of complicated things to learn. Especially psychology. People spend a 4 year degree studying that. Do normal people who get laid regularly really understand all this stuff?
What are the most important bits of body language to know?

by enacting fud and fear of missing out and jealousy. create drama in their life by dating other women and friendzoning them. talk in 3rd person tacitly like someone other than me is interested in asking you out would you say yes, etc flirting by making fun of them since many women are sadomasochistic. lift heavy weights for a few years and cut weight down to 8 percent bodyfat. get a harocut once a month and shower. get a job and ask out every woman you see

>Do women ever initiate sex?
Uhhh... Yeah.

Confidence. that’s literally it.

People with "degrees" in psychology are just people who've wasted their time so they can make money wasting other peoples times.
Just study people, learn cause and effect, and emulation of it.

Eyes, mouth, shoulders, hands, feet. Keep enough eye contact to be engaged, but not enough to be creepy, keep an eye on the rest of their body out of your peripheral vision. There's nothing really set in stone, you gauge their responses and adjust accordingly.

If someone other than me asked them out, she likely would say yes. But that's because they're someone other than me.
With normal or average people? Only after they're already in a relationship? Has this ever happened to you, and if so can you describe how it happened?
How do you get confidence without first having success? Confidence is a reflection of your skill and success in a given area.

How do you recommend studying people? Any resources you'd recommend, or is this more of a binoculars and notepad sort of thing?
I can generally hold a conversation with decent eye contact, but its always just a friendly conversation. I have no idea how to escalate things beyond that.

Get your cock out, put it in her hand, and cry

What if she pulls her hand away?

got some.bad news about woman for you friend

okay now I actually think OP is trolling

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And what news would that be?
Just an obvious joke response to an obvious joke piece of advice, friend.

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its more the tacit talk. like saying something without actually saying it. like a woman saying want to come inside and winking when she opens her front door

Be attractive

How attractive do you need to be? I see a lot of fairly average looking guys with gfs. Do I need to be more attractive than that?

Also, don't be unattractive.

Yes, you do. About the only hope I have left in my life is that some guys on Yea Forums got girlfriends and wives. Its the one time in life I've ever thought to myself "how hard could it really be?"

If a hopeless faggot Yea Forumstard got a girl, then that has to be good news for wizards everywhere, right?

At gunpoint

It might be more helpful to just not be ugly. If you're a fat slob then you're pretty much hopeless

You're a wizard. Just use some of that magic.

only want sex?
1.) make a tinder (look up how to make a good profile)
2.) learn to hold a conversation
3.) should have sex at least by the 2nd-3rd date most of the time when you go out with a girl

stuff ain't too hard, but it also depends of your looks and personality too. learn how to humour women if you look like a fallout ghoul

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So much for being a wizard.

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Open your heart

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I'm not too bad looking. I'm just not good looking enough that I can rely on my looks for everything.
Like genies, a wizard's powers are limited. I can't use my powers to kill, bring people back from the dead, or make people fall in love.
Do 30somethings use tinder? I thought it was more of a younger crowd.

yeah, you can set age ranges in the settings if you're into that age. but tbh, lots of younger girls on there hook up with older guys

How about walking out his moms basement and meeting a *gasp* female.

I own my own house, bud. Just because I'm a virgin doesn't mean I'm a complete failure at life.

>How about walking out his moms basement and meeting a *gasp* female.
I don't really recommend that. I knew a guy who did that...and he like died.

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Damn, she does look kinda scary. Hopefully I don't meet any women like that. She might kill me and use the skin for a man suit.

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Sex is scary and terrifying. Its best to stay in the safety of the basement.

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>women would rather let a monkey grab her tits than me
:(

How tf do i get my ex gf to send me nudes? Were chatting rn and idk how to make it subtle

Offer her something of value, like a trip to the Godiva shop.

buhu what a faggot you are
>inb4 it was a joke lol smiley face
a part of you meant it because that's the type of person you are. shitty, and you won't change because buhu change is hard and I'm autistic

jfc just ask the girl you're talking to if she wants to hang out and grab some coffee sometime

Its midnight rn something quicker???

make a playful remark about how she's not getting nudes from you, or you're not that easy, etc

>Its midnight rn something quicker???
Tell her you want to rekindle what you had together

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Isnt that too upfront?...

>convince

What's so shitty about wanting to grab a tit? People do that all the time during sex. It's only shitty because I want to do it. If Chad wanted to do that she'd find it hot.
There's got to be more to it than that. Asking someone to hang out and have coffee is completely platonic. I ask guys that, and we just chill and of course don't have sex. Is it just implied that if you ask a woman the same thing that the intentions are different?

You're a shitty person because you're a negative nancy downer shit head and refuse to do anything to change it because you're fucking autistic. I've half a mind to think you're that guy that always posts about how ugly he is. Probably why you don't want to show face.

Mission failed bros, need to try again another time.

post the attempt
for science

literally this. It just takes the first move tbh. Once you get with a grill then you have more confidence to keep going after whichever ones you want

There was no attempt made, she went to bed b4 i could ask.
How do i prepare myself for later ?

With that attitude no wonder women don't give a shit about you.

HOLY SHIT IT IS YOU ISN'T IT