I'm about to try acid for the first time and I've heard that you should do it with friends because that will stop you...

I'm about to try acid for the first time and I've heard that you should do it with friends because that will stop you from losing touch with reality and I was wondering if talking to someone on discord would have the same effect

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Acid is for fucking pussies. Do DMT instead.

No, it won’t. It’ll start to feel like a voice in your head.

The idea of having friends there is also to physically stop you from going on some crazy venture whilst you don't know what you are doing, so no, discord won't have that same effect

That too, always do it with a friend or have them watch you if it’s your first time. I recommend having someone sober watch you.

Id do it with a girl. Never really cared for doing anything but booze with guys. You and the girl will have a good time. Just be chill

literally no
also make sure its actually acid and not a isotope it should be flavorless and should not make your mouth numb

As soon as your mouth feels weird, try not to puke blood.

you dont need one

erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml
CAUTION: NBOMES SOLD AS LSD/ACID
Since 2013, some blotter and liquid "acid" being sold in the Americas and Europe contains NBOMe compounds instead of LSD. The NBOMe chemicals can cause strong effects even on a single standard hit of blotter (1/4" (6mm) square). Unlike LSD, NBOMes can cause death. NBOMe compounds are usually bitter while LSD-containing liquid or blotter has only a mild metallic flavor or no flavor at all.

It’s your fault he died

It's going to liquid his insides like that last user that thought he was going to trip. His insides bled out.

lmao if OP doesn't have any irl friends where the hell is he going to find some girl to tripsit him

you still know what reality is on acid, if you dont youre retarded

trip sitters are garbage and ruin the high, if you take acid around people everyone should be on it together

I would suggest reporting the guy to the cops if he is selling this shit because he can literally kill someone and is more than likely selling it as acid

Good point. OP is on his way to being the loner stoner

acid really isnt too bad, my only advice is just dont fight the high

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idk if that can actually happen but lol
friend had a terrible time on 25i and probably almost died that night had to force feed him water while he wretched every bit of his stomach up in my car is a fashion very similar to blair witch

let him do it even tho i knew because i was trying not to be a killjoy back then and make him sketched out but i could give a fuck anymore nobody should have that happen when they are looking for a good time

dont expect to be transported to another world ur just gonna see thinks like the walls "breathing"
however I did watch fooly cooly with some buds and we all sustain that that shit was real life for the trip

Watching someone going out of their minds on drugs would make for an interesting live stream.

How do you even go about getting your hands on acid?

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buy it or make it

seconded. I did both this weekend. DMT Was way better and shorter.

this, although it's still better than being alone.

this.

only if they're as lame as you.

erm, actually, no? what have you tripped on, mineral water?

this.

actually, it depends, and on many factors. Just because you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean others didn't.

Ketamine is better.

You wont lose touch with reality. Id be depressed if I was by myself though

the first time is one of 'those' experiences.
you know
first kiss, falling in love, marriage, graduating, death, tripping lsd.

when you do it, you get to pick up the curtain and see whats behind it. you can't describe the feeling to somebody if they've never done it. its like describing a color to a blind person. you can give people a rough idea but its nothing like the real thing. it's just an experience beyond words.

it's very subjective. and very intense. people say if you're anxious don't do it. i'm anxious every time i drop. it's scary. this is the most powerful drug i've ever done in my life. it's playing with fire. it's fun but you gotta be careful or you'll burn your whole fucking house down.

i've had bad trips. smoking weed causes them for me. some people like smoking weed with it because it 'steps it up a notch' but for me it takes me to a whole different plane. i've talked with god. i've experienced death over and over. i am every person on earth. when somebody is murdered i am the killer and the victim. when i die i experience another one. i've stopped smoking weed when i trip, but even then, the bad ones don't ruin it. nightmares don't make you stop sleeping.

start slow. i prefer taking half a tab, now a days. it's a shallow experience and you can snap yourself back to reality if you really need to.

i think everybody should trip at least once in their lives. the hallucinogen class of drugs is the root of all religion, i think. the mindset it puts you in is very conducive to those sort of things. entheogen means 'god from within.' shamans in south america have been drinking DMT for millennia. i feel really sorry for people who never got to experience this, or never will experience this. it's truly something else. once you take it, you'll be a different person. i'm not the same person i was before lsd. but i don't regret it. not by a long shot.

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Im use alot so i an say that you will 100 percwnt ebjoy friends, discord is a good alternative to being alone but under no circumstance should someone use acid over 50 ug the firat time alone. Stick to irl friends and if you cant use 75 to get a feel.

adding on to this, i'd for sure recommend taking a small dose the first time. some folks can take like an entire tenstrip, but man even a hit and a half really rocks me. some folks just metabolize it differently.

Timothy Leary back from the dead. I hate too much hype on drugs. Acid is over rated and over feared because of comments like yours

This post is the objective truth of the matter. OP, listen to this guy. I'll second him:

This drug is HEAVY and POWERFUL. It is like playing with FIRE. Do PROPER research before taking it. You will regret it if you don't. A few pro-tips:
1. Keep a bottle of water around.
2. Have an open-minded trip sitter (a sober fucker that'll see so you don't fucking break shit or go out naked in the street claiming to "go on an adventure".
3. Be happy i.e. don't have anything fucking you up or unsettling you (family issues, gf fights etc.) cuz that shit can surface during the trip.
4. Keep the following ready:
a) Bed
b) Playlist
c) Some snacks
d) A TV
5. Do away with all the things that can break.
6. Lock the doors, see if everything's okay with your family, have proper ventilation
7. Leave the cellphone on silent. You don't wanna talk to your mom while tripping

And that's just from the top of my head. Happy journey - this shit is really awesome.

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treat it with respect is all. if 95% of people never have a bad time, playing it safe until they're comfortable wont hurt them, but going too hard could absolutely ruin it for you forever. i've got buddies who have really overdone it the first time, and scared themselves, and now won't touch the stuff. maybe it was something in their brain initially, and unavoidable, or maybe they could have respected it and kept psychedelics as a tool in their toolbox.

just have respect for it. it's not like smoking weed, or taking a couple adderall, or eating some oxy. it's a different ball game. folks thinking they're hot shit and going in blind are the kind of retards that call an ambulance thinking that they're dying.

Yea you'll be fine, also double your dose, otherwise it will be a weak high.

I agree with respecting any drug. Ive done lots of dumb shit on drugs and it always involved too much booze and taking a bunch of whatever and it was a mess

fair enough. i'd just say that not much prepares you for how uniquely different psychedelic drugs are. in the sense that caffeine, and cocaine, and speed are the same sort of thing so you'd know how you react.
and in the same way how alcohol and xanax interrelate.
psychedelics, though, are absolutely different from what most would have tried by then. i'd say even mdma doesn't really give you an idea of what to expect.
but yes, of course, have respect for all drugs. especially doing them the first time. experiment carefully and gradually, and you're on the path for an excellent time.

Most damage I have ever felt was getting too drunk and doing mega candyflipping. Felt like I had no control over my facial expressions for about a month.

Remember that you only have one brain. Mess it up and that's it. No second chances. Be smart now while you have the capacity to be so. Trust me. Seen too much of this shit to horribly wrong. It happens, much MUCH more often than you'll hear on here.

I've dropped acid at high doses without anyone around and had a blast, you just have to have a solid mindset going into it. It's fun with people too, but I sometimes get depressed then because they can't keep up with my attempts at discussion. I really, really like talking about physics when tripping and none of my friends are physicists so maybe thats it.
Also, most acid in the US is not LSD, so I don't recommend doing acid at all.
Most of the time you're getting toad-based DMT and this shit is not good for your brain. Even the plant based stuff is sketchy. Mescaline is the safest bet.
Bruh I've faced 19 mics and still understood what was real and what wasn't. You have the brain of a child if you don't.
This right here.
Definitely can, they're made to fuck up your body chemistry, hard. Always test "acid" before dropping.

> toad-based DMT
Bufotenin. not dmt.
DMT, almost universally, comes from plants. as an example, mimosa hostilis. i don't know who told you "most of the time you get toad-based DMT", but they were wrong.

>Bruh I've faced 19 mics
understand that the typical dose would be around 125-250 micrograms (mcg, ug).

Sickest drug ever. Would reccomend in person. Just in case you decide to do something stupid. Always have a trip sitter

You'll be fine alone tbh. Take it easy and don't take more than 2 tabs. Don't listen to the overconcerned chodes - if you're careful and keep your experience calm, everything will be amazing.

>bufotenin
Let me stop you right there.
5MeO-DMT is the most common DMT on the market. The Sonoran Desert Toad produces this DMT cousin, not bufotenin, and is completely legal to own and raise. Mimosa hostilis and it's relatives are highly regulated in trade in the US and it's almost impossible to get good "pink mimosa". Whoever told you that you were getting plant-based DMT and that toads aren't the main source of American DMT is either a very lucky man with a connect in SouthEast Asia, or a liar.

Not unless you really trust them

Screens might become an issue to look at if you're tripping.

More like noise in ur head

You don't "lose touch" of reality, you expand your perception of reality.

You should be a very ordinar stupid trash, so that acid will give you something but some boring hallucinations. If you want, than do it just for show

>expand your perception
That's not what happens at all. Your brain is misfiring so hard that it links up explanations that have absolutely no correlation to the question. That's not expanding your perception of reality, it's just making your perception way more fucky. Don't attach an educational or spiritual meaning to hallucinogens. Accept them for what they are, a way to have a crazy ass night and think of crazy ass shit.

nigga are you having a stroke?

He's just poor, Yuropoor.

we're not talking about 5-MeO-DMT. That's got as much in common with DMT as 4-HO-DMT, or psilocin. not the same drug. that's like saying "oh your dmt comes from mushrooms".

even in the case of gray-market 5-MeO-DMT, it's not going to actually come from toads (or various plant species). In the same way that it's cheaper to synthesize mescaline than to extract from cacti, harvesting frogs for biosynthetic tryptamines is just not economically viable.

>Mimosa hostilis and it's relatives are highly regulated in trade in the US
it's just an example, and the most common one. coca is also illegal, but there's a big market for cocaine, surprisingly. 5-MeO-DMT is schedule 1, and possession of the chemical is illegal. in california, and new mexico, two places where this frog inhabits, it's illegal to be in posession of the animal.

>I really, really like talking about physics when tripping and none of my friends are physicists so maybe thats it.
You know you are likely just rambling about dudelmao popsci bullshit and thinking that you are saying something profound or intelligent. Unless YOU are a physicist, regardless of what your friends are, you should stop thinking that getting high is making you say anything meaningful about the subject

you clearly haven't done any reading about it and are just going off of heresay you've heard from people or the internet.

if you're a social extrovert that needs to be around other people, do it with friends or a sitter.
if you're a loner, introvert or have shitty friends, do it alone.
do it in a comfortable, familiar place.
you wont lose touch with reality on a normal dose, especially not a beginner's dose.
first time you'll only want to do 1 or 1.5 tabs. 2 tabs will be too much unless you already have experience with psychedelics (which you clearly dont) or you have an experienced trip sitter with you.

Bruh I study entheogens and have been in the drug trade for over a decade, pretty confident I'm good as far as knowing what's actually on the market. Go test your DMT next time, see what you get, I promise you it's going to be 5MeO. You're also attempting to discredit 5MeO as a DMT by comparing it to another DMT like psilocin? What the fuck are you on about? They're both "DMT". Aside from that, the synthesis of mescaline is almost non existent, the majority of mescaline in crystalline, dried and liquid form are derived directly from either San Pedro, any of the tricho(now echinopsis) cacti, and peyote(peyote is actually about 5 different genus of cacti spread across SouthWest America, not just lophophora). You will hardly ever find "synthetic mescaline". Harvesting toads is actually 10 times more viable than the plants, as mimosa trees typically take 3-10 years to be of size to harvest a suitable amount of material without killing the plant. Toads can be of size within one year, and can be stimulated for the release of 5MeO roughly 4 times a year, with each toad producing an amount to supply 10 solid doses per harvest. It's an example of the main source of plant based-DMT, that you have to import from SouthEast Asia, and then when it does enter the US you are on a list of people in possession, just like coca. You're trying to say that it is easier to grow and maintain, or rather just import large enough amounts in the first place OVERSEAS on one of our most restricted trade routes, than it is to take a short drive down the Sonoran region to collect thousands of tadpoles a year during Spring and Fall Monsoon seasons? Or that cocaine, a drug that is economically important to certain political factors in the US, and is imported over a landmass connected to our own, is comparable to the aforementioned import method? Dude, try harder to defend your shit, and have the humility to admit you're wrong.

it's completely legal to buy the rootbark powder in most of the world too. hardest part is going to the hardware store to get naptha n shit to extract the DMT.

Goddamn, that OP image is creepy

I didn't imply it made me speak of anything meaningful, but good job coming out of the woodwork to be an asshole right off the bat, fuckwad. I'm 3 semesters away from a double in Physics with a specialization in application and Engineering, so yeah, you could have probably inferred by my mentioning that my friend's weren't physicists that I had some relation to the field. Fucking almighty druggies dude.

i'm a chemical engineer. i'm not here to qualify myself. i spent four years at university, and five years in industry.

>Go test your DMT next time, see what you get, I promise you it's going to be 5MeO
we're not talking linguistics here. i'm not saying that "molly" is mdma, or mda. i'm not saying "acid" is lsd, or NBOMe.
i'm speaking of N,N-DMT. if you wanted it exactly, you'd buy A. confusa and extract it yourself. if you're a big player, you synthesize it from chemical feedstock on the order of dollars a gallon.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6205722/

>You're also attempting to discredit 5MeO as a DMT by comparing it to another DMT like psilocin? What the fuck are you on about? They're both "DMT".
they're both tryptamines, and as similar as any tryptamine is to another. methanol and ethanol are both alcohols, only a carbon different, but one makes you blind. methamphetamine and amphetamine, one carbon different, different effects.
they're chemically different, and the subjective effects are different. if you're arguing that DMT is like 5-MEO-DMT is like 4-HO-DMT, i'd say you're arguing about another thing entirely. NBOMe is pretty structurally close to mescaline, but they're not the same fucking thing are they?

>Aside from that, the synthesis of mescaline is almost non existent
a fucking undergrad can synthesize mescaline trivially from vanillin. i have no clue what you're talking about, and clearly you don't either.

just imagine, for a moment, two possibilities. the first, is raising and milking a farm of toads, for TEN DOSES PER HARVEST PER TOAD. imagine that, and then imagine a reactor the size of a refrigerator capable of batch-producing kilograms of a pure substance.

it's just not in the realm of reality. can you do it? yes. can you go down to arizona and catch frogs and milk them for 5-MeO-DMT? yes. WOULD YOU if you were a supplier of 5-MeO-DMT, milk toads to yield a crude mixture of 15% product? no, you fuckin wouldn't.

ive taken a lot of acid and ive taken shrooms and pcp

Aw, now you try to whip your guns out. Go test your shit next time bud, see what you get.

you’ll die just like the rest of us

look, don't pop off if you don't have the understanding to defend your argument. you've got multiple failures in saying
>Most of the time you're getting toad-based DMT
in reference to user suggestions to try DMT.

if you're doing DMT, and you care about what it is, you'd extract it yourself. if you don't care, and you buy it from someone, it's either a plant extract or a pure substance. even in the case of it being 5-MeO-DMT, if it's from a toad, you'd know, because either you or the dude you got it from got it from the fucking toad. otherwise, it'd be made in a lab.
it's a simple molecule, with easily available feedstocks. the capital investment to farm frogs would be fucking nuts compared to the capital to run a lab. that's just one of the points i'm trying to make here. it's that, even if it's 5-MeO-DMT, it's probably not from a fucking toad. read the paper i posted.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6205722/

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My understanding is just fine.
>and you care about what it is
>you'd know because your DUDE
And this is where I stop attempting to argue semantics. We agree on that, but I am the "dude" and as far as the most widespread means of production of DMT in the US, it's not the plant extract.
>it's a simple molecule
Yes.
>even if it's 5-MeO-DMT, it's probably not from a fucking toad
Hmmmmmmm, my original point was that most of the DMT you are getting on the market is not not the plant base, and that the main substance available on the market is 5MeO. We call that "toad-based" because it's the compound naturally occurring in the fucking toads, not the plant. Synthetic or not, it's still "toad-based" in terms of it's analog origin. Same can be said about the synthetic lab shit based off of N,N-dimethyltryptamine. That being said, the harvest and use of toads is prolific, there are tens of thousands of dealers across the US that make the trip or buy the tadpoles directly, and farming them is actually easy as shit and healthily holding a couple hundred of them in a fridge-sized space is easier than shit for a year. You're out of the market, obviously, and your shit attempt at trying to break down my point with semantics, especially in a trade you know fuckall about, is pretty sad man.

>We call that "toad-based" because it's the compound naturally occurring in the fucking toads
loads of fucking plants have 5-MeO-DMT, usually with a cocktail of other tryptamines. various phalaris species, or acacia.

calling it toad-based is as accurate as calling aspirin "tree based". yeah, the compound exists in willow trees, but your pills at the pharmacy sure as fuck aren't getting them from there.

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just abstract the concept. it's a question of economics. think of morphine, and fields of poppies. it's worth it there, because morphine is a structurally complex molecule. it's cheaper to employ labor. same goes for cocaine. it's complex. same goes for LSD. ergotamine is complex, and it's cheaper to culture the fungus.

in the exact opposite way, tryptamine is very simple to synthesize. there are few barriers to entry to produce the drug in a lab. i'm not saying you can't milk frogs and generate 5-MeO-DMT. i'm saying that it would be very time and resource inefficient to do so.

you could make aspirin by extracting it from willow leaves. or, you could make it from phenol feedstock from petroleum.

i'm not arguing the possibility of it, i'm arguing the feasibility of it. regardless, i'm just restating my exact point now. i feel there is not much more we can discuss.

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