Musicfags, how do I actually learn guitar or piano on my own...

Don't memories tabs, it's dumb

Memorise note positions up to the 12th fret. E on the bottom and top have the same notes all the way along.

Then

Learn the minor and major pentatonic scales and get them down.

Do not follow CAGED. It's for gays. Learn 3 note per string patterns for the major, minor and blues scales.

Play them each day for about a year. Half an hour per day. Different pattern each day.

Improvise, don't play the scale up and down. Google backing tracks on Google and play along with that. Say the notes as you play through the shape and improvise.

Done

Just practice all the notes of your favorite scale and you're already there.

Is there a list of note positions ?

Grind it out gotcha

Thanks user

Start with learning some basic chords, like G D C Em. Then learn how major scales work and start to apply them in your playing. Learn how chords are built off of scales. At this point you can just start playing a bunch of songs and have fun. Also, learn the notes on the fretboard, it’s pretty good for you

Transfer your music theory knowledge over
Just play exercises you make yourself and just try and try

Check your tuning
If in standard then you'll be following EADGBE and you're just playing with half step frets

Thanks, chords are very different than what I'm used to. This definitely plays into learning the finger positioning

Could you elaborate on different tunings? Is it simply to play on a different scale? Also would the standard chords I learned work or these new tunings have seperate chords.

It's trial and error for about a year, but then you sorta just get it after a while. It'll come with practice, just stick with it.

This is the type of guy who always tries to share their FEELINGS at parties.

Thanks

You not wrong tho. I never really open up except under the influence

Different tuning mean you tune (usually down) the strings themselves do that they are lower. For exemple, my Electric is tuned down a step. So it's
d
A
F
C
G
D

Thanks for elaborating. When is a time you'd use this? It seems kind of confusing as the notes are shifted which plays with your muscle memory

And the chords shape stay the same yes. That's what's great about guitar, compared to say the piano.

You learn your 6 string major/minor/7th shape, then you know them all. Just slide up and down to do another step above of below.

The beauty is in finding these notes to color the chords into all manners of sounds

Its used for metal ! Some people even drop a step only the biggest string, so that making a "powerchord" simply involve barring the three lowest string and strumming it. Power chords refer to a chords with only its 5th being present. Aka all of rock/metal most of Blues etc. Very common, very simple, very fun :)

8 years of playing and yiu cant learn from tabs. You must have been shit.

You can tune it however the fuck you want but the usual tuning from the fattest string to thinnest in intervals is

Root, perfect 4th, perfect 4th, perfect fourth, Major third
Perfect fourth

Standard is E A D G B E

Yes it's to have a different sound either because of experimentation, boredom, looking for a specific sounds (metal and rock tune lower most of the times)

They would still work but they'd be turned down however man half/steps you tuned it down
So if you tuned down a half step
A g major chord would now be f#major or g flat major depending on what scale you're using or how you decide to view it

I've learned some songs but its completely unsustainable. The time/effort put in to learn just a single song is alot due to the memorization. I'd rather learn sheet music for guitar

Chords are the easiest thing to do on guitar, they’re just confusing at first and that’s why people quit so fast.

Tabs are horrible. 99% have zero form of time signature. Those that do are unreadable. It's okay to get you going, finding which notes are used in the song etc.

But if you sole method of "learning" is memorizing tabs then yeah it's gonna be 8-16-24 years wasted.

Chords
Pentatonic
How they go together

Once you're there, there won't be a need for guidance

Appreciate all the advice Yea Forumsrothers

I don't play violin but do chords mostly mixed with theory

Chords and a good understanding of theory

Theory is the ground so you can build as much as you fucking want once you master chords and theory and why chords are and how to connect the dots

Just my two cents

with everything regarding using tabs, I would recommend trying to learn songs by ear first, and use tabs if you're having lots of trouble with it.

Seriously, don’t touch different tunings until you know how the theory and the fretboard real well. You don’t even need different tunings unless you’re trying to play a song with different tunings or you want to write a song with it.

Anytime bro. Just keep at it.

I've been playing ten years and I'm only getting past mediocre level. Most importantly I think is to find like-minded people you can play with. There's few thing like a jam where know one said anything, yet everyone is on the same vibe.

If you do a mistake, do it again, it becomes jazz.

mmmm i figured it was more advanced

I did it the other way around. Looking at tabs to get an idea of where/what he's playing, then using the ear and trial/error to find the finer parts. You get everything that way that the tabs just missed or ommited.

I've done both. For me it also depends on what bands' songs im learning. With some guitarists, I know how they write things, so it's easier to figure them out.

I wouldn't say more advanced. In fact, down tuning the lowest string a step makes playing that kind of music a walk in the park.

I would say different, but really the same. The fretboard doesn't change, only where the notes are. For learning though, there is no point in tuning differently.

It's a thing you do to explore when you feel like it imo

I'd recommend some starter books. They have sheet music that shows finger positions
for different keys and such.

There's nothing special about it. It's either there when you're born or it's not.

It works too. I relied on tabs for way too long until I made a conscious effort to do ear first. It didn't do much for my playing, but my "feel" for what note is right or wrong at a given time improved massively.

you can still learn how to play decently. not everyone can be a steve vai but lots of people can learn to play somewhat

The same for me. It's easier to figure out what's right or not when it's by ear. If it's tabs, you could easily be playing wrong without a second thought.

Oh believe me, I know all too well lol

Those are some Pantera lyrics I thought applied her nicely.

Of course, it sounded better in my head :/

And boy did I do it wrong.

When I first started I thought you needed to squeeze de string between the finger and the fret itself. Weeks of buzzing ensued until a friend pointed out that I would be better off with my finger between the frets.

And that's how I got started. I grew tired of "practicing" guitar hero 2 and just bought the real thing.

I started playing guitar because I wanted to learn the clean into to ...And Justice For All. I used my shitty Squier Stratacoustic (fender is shit btw) and learned it. I had also been playing bass for about 2 years and had a good handle on theory and everything with that. Then my dad got out his shitty Danelectro, which was better than the Stratacoustic. Then for my birthday that year I got an ESP LTD F-10. I've only been playing for about 1.5 years but I feel like I've made it pretty far.

tabs area reference for lazy, pre-existing musicians.
>1. Learn music theory (which you have)
>2. Learn chord structure, strumming patterns
>3. Learn the various scales
continue with all above until it's an article of muscle memory
>4. Learn arpeggiated chords, and chord progressions
>5. Get sheet music and practise a familiar song, like the Entertainer by Joplin. Lots of ragtime music for free on archive-dot org.
>6. keep practising to build up accuracy. speek comes with time, but is not a major concern.

>Guitar
You don't need to memorize anything, jusy play the fucking thing 10 minutes a day, tune it however you like. Your fingers will callous in a week, use your middle and index fingers first. They will callous and make it easier to eventually move on to the others and you'll start putting cool sounds together eventually. Learning tabs isn't everything, play what you feel like playing and you really want to learn, find someone to help you memorize tabs, youtube does dick for learning all the cool shit an experienced player could teach you in the flesh.

Chord fingering is all practise based. If you have actually tiny hands, you can down tune and apply a capo to closer frets. With lots of studious practise, you get get okay in about 2 months, not a year.

Keep at it user. The best years are yet to come. Been playing for more than a decade but I still know nothing.

Thanks user :) you should keep at it too

I do ! Weekly at that with my band. Just some lyricless blackmetal going nowhere, but that's how we like it. To each his own. Thru the guitar I learned to love other music than metal and I hope others will too.

It is a great instrument. I wish for you one day to play and play and impress yourself with what your fingers are doing.

I do bass in my band, but might switch to doing lead guitar stuff bc we lost our lead player and finding a good bassist wont be too difficult; we know a few. It's also done the same for me, i used to only listen to metal and all that but have expanded my tastes.

Depends on what you want to do. If you just want to play songs, tabs are alright but you should probably do some fingerings exercises first, just to becoms fluid in your movements. Learning chords is a good start too, some tabs won't care enough to tell you which position the guitarist is actually playing and there are several ways of playing the same chord, so it's important to know which hand positions are viable. I'd recommend watching tutorial videos and trying to emulate their positions. If you want to ompose music and stuff, then you need to know the positions of everything to the 12th free. Since you know violin already, it should be easy and it "will" give you the ability to play solos and stuff.

>8 years violin
>can't figure out guitar

you must fucking suck at violin.

They aren't really the same.
4vs6 strings
Frets vs no fret
Pic/hand vs their bow