I am flying first time in my life with a plane tomorrow and I am so fucking afraid jesus

time to grow up and stop worrying about stupid shit

What about those people who died in a plane crash? I am sure they said the same

Dont eat too much before and down 2 pints of beer that will take the edge off of your fear. Worked for me when I did my first flight at 30 years of age.

Still dont like flying though.. but before I did it I was scared to death.

you realize flying is by far the safest way to travel

>Worked for me when I did my first flight at 30 years of age.
Thanks. I am 28, I will try the alcholic way then.

I bet the same was said by those people who died in a plane crash.

Planes are completely harmless. There's a bigger chance of you dying on the way to the plane than on the plane. Plus even if you crash you have a 96% chance of surviving it.

The plane could very well crash. The people on those recent 737 MAX planes thought nothing would happen. Imagine their terror when those planes insisted on nosediving. Or there was MH17. A routine international flight shot down.

You should be scared OP. Once you're seated and the flight takes off, whether you die a terrifying death or not is out of your control.

Getting your stats mixed.

97%, not 96%.

And it's 97% of aircraft related fatalities were avoidable. That's far from comforting.

Anyway OP, planes don't just fall out of the sky. There's not a single weather pattern in the U.S. that's a danger. The MAXs are grounded. You have nothing to worry about but turbulence, which is only a few feet of movement in any direction, not thousands of feet like boomers say.

Keep your seatbelt on, firmly, but not tight. Worst case engine loss, the plane still calmly glides and there are thousands of runways to land.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The safest you will be tomorrow is on that plane.

When you're in a boat hitting waves it's fun, you don't think the boat's about to explode.
Turbulence is just waves in the air.

The only danger is injury to passengers without seatbelts, pilots aren't slightly worried about the plane.

Every aircraft can fly on one engine.
There is a commercial aircraft taking off or landing every 4 seconds 24/7.

Think about how safe that is.
All the flight attendants and pilots live their whole lives, whole careers, doing many flights per day for decades.

Physics isn't magic; it's physics.
It doesn't suddenly go away.
The plane is not going to fall from the sky.

When nervous, look at the flight attendants.
Whatever you heard or felt, they'll be going about their jobs, clearly unconcerned.

Trust.

Troll but no shit every person who ever died in any type of incident, accident, crime, etc. "thought nothing would happen".

"could very well" crash is how you interpret the frequency of incident?

Whether any of us die in a terrifying way is not in our control.

which airline?

YOUR ears are gonna POP like mad during take off and landing (altitude change)
not much you can do about it
I always Chew gum during supposed to help a little

Planes are safe, but it's understandable to be worried. Ideally you'd wanna have a couple of benzos. But if you don't have access, get a bit drunk. Just don't get too drunk you end up acting like an asshole.

You'll be fine, though.

Op, I am an aerospace engineering master student, aeroplanes are the safer way to travel if u look at all the data. Just be careful of birdstrikes, windshears, tired pilots, exposions and terrorists

- If you don't throw up in a road trip, you won't throw up in plane.
- Just right after take off, because of acceleration you will feel that thing like someone is lifting you up, an excitement for couple seconds. no worry.
- Sometime during your flight, you will feel pressure in your ears. try to chew, yawn, or swallow couple times and you will feel normal again.

you are not afraid of flying, you are scared to die in a plane crash. you could die in any moment when you are driving your car, in a ship, even riding your bicycle. Just relax man we all are going to die sometime. Enjoy your ride

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Emirates

noted, thank you

thanks

first I was afraid by a single crash, now you just added too much things to the list

Unless he's on a 737 Max...

That was the first thing I checked. It is Airbus A380 but I don't really know what does it mean.

You're very unlikely to get into an airplane accident. Your chances of getting struck by lightning right now are greater.

I fly constantly as a session musician (I actually browse Yea Forums on the plane kek). Just get some noise cancelling headphones and listen to music or watch some shit to pass the time. Take in the view outside the window along with the music, it's amazing. You'll be alright my man.

If you're already afraid the feeling of takeoff might really unnerve you, but it's really cool OP. You feel extra gravity pressing you into your seat at first and then as you gain altitude it slowly feels more weightless. Try to get a window seat it's cool to watch the cars and buildings become smaller and smaller.

i play fast paced games on take off and if it gets bumpy in the air. i play a timed version of bejeweled that i just keep playing because i have to to do whatever as my time counts down. takes my mind as best i can off that i'm on something i have no control of

You'll be fine then. Enjoy your flight!

Being in the airports is worse than the flying

holy shit dude, emirates is the safest airline on the planet! Sheikh Maktoum runs the tightest airline ever!

Oh shit OP. My dad was flying with Emirates on an Airbus A380 and he died in a terrible plane crash. You should reconsider going with them.

which he won't be, because the issue was caught.
yes crashes happen before an order goes out to ground, but include those crashes in the math and it's still completely irrational and logically indefensible to be afraid to fly commercially.

WHAT NOW

There are not many things more scary than being on a plane that is plummeting to Earth and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it. The way you will die will be massive physical trauma. How will it happen exactly? Will your head be slowly crushed, maybe your legs severed, maybe you'll survive the initial impact and then be cooked alive. Or it's at sea and you await your demise as the cabin slowly fills up with water in complete darkness. These thoughts will run through your head as it dawns on you that this is it. It's just your luck. This routine flight you got on is one of the doomed. There will be plane crashes in future. It's inevitable. Will OP be on one? Maybe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear-air_turbulence

oh shit, mine too!

>airline lobbyist
don't listen this shill. airlines love murdering innocent travelers.

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I'm a pilot and I sometimes get scared flying.

I trust the pilots since I know the extensive training we go through but sometimes a crash is not because of something that pilots have control over.

But as others have said, modern air travel is very safe and crashes are rare.

son flying is easy. what kind of aircraft will you be piloting?

You should be fine OP, at least you're not on a train.
Regrettably, my girlfriend passed away in a train explosion several years ago...

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BULL FUCKING SHIT emirates has thus far NEVER HAD A DEATH and has suffered only one full hull loss. they are known as "the airline with the perfect record." so either you cannot read the name of an airline, you are mistaken, or you are trying to scare OP. fear of flying is real.

i would read something about the procedures for takeoff and landing, so you have some idea of what is happening. there are some funny-sounding noises, bumps, and shit like that that. these can seem very scary, but are normal. for example, stowing the landing gear on some planes can make some VERY loud thumps. this can seem alarming, but it quite normal, and us usually just the latches.

Im ok short flights (1-4 hours). But when i do the longhauls (5-16 hours) i hate it. Told my doctor and she perscribed lorazepam. It awesome. Slept from la to melbs for 13 hours last time. Toronto to edinbourgh i took to many and have no memory of me driving the rental from the airport to my hotel. I than passed out in the drawing room and was awoken 5 hours later by security. So yah. I like drugs i guess

That's a 777, not an A380.

don't worry: frequent flyer here, you're gonna get bored af and wish something happens

nice plane. enjoy, you're going to be fine

See OP, even pilots are scared. You should be scared.

Why are long ones scarier? Just sleep or get drunk you pussy.

get drunk prior. you have better odds of dying on your way to the airport than the plane crashing

if you are a pilot and get scared when flying, you must have a sport license and like 5 hours in a cessna 172.

actual commercial pilots don't get scared, they break out the quick reference guide and get to work.

Keep telling yourself that

1. Its so unlikely that anything will happen that even thinking about it is stupid. What helps me is to look at graphics or statictics of how many flights happen on a daily basis. There are like 10.000 or more planes in the air at THIS MOMENT.
2. Don't sleep now, sleep during your flight.
3. There will most likely be turbulences but they're completely harmless, sometimes it can even get extremely shaky and scary but even then it's nothing to worry about

You're not a pilot.

remember to praise Allah loudly just before take-off.

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My scare is not a "I can't fly" scare. My scare is more of the backseat driver scare. Like the way you get scared when you see your friend do something stupid on the freeway. I get scared since I don't have any control over the situation.

I have over 200 hours but you're right. I'm not a commercial pilot.

Remember. If your car malfunctions you just stop on the side of the road and check. If your train malfunctions its just stops and you go out and check. If your plane malfunctions means instant certain death you just checkout from this world.

That's not how it works. Plane malfunctions do happen and most of the times it's not a catastrophic failure.

I see, i'm sorry i was being a dick. i understand how flying works, and that keeps me calm. but i'm not actually a pilot, and could probably not successfully fly any aircraft, even if i was forced by circumstances to.

if yo actually ARE a pilot, then you are aware of what potential mistakes can be made. and yes, that would mess with me. at least in a car or bus, you can see what the operator is doing, not so on a commercial aircraft... that door is locked tight.

i remember as a child in the 1970s, when flying widebodies the cabin crew would always bring us kids onto the flight deck, give us a tour, and introduce us to the flight crew. thanks to 9/11, no child will ever have that experience again, sadly. it was super-cool.

It's ok user, just share the noods

Just calm down and look at this video. It will be alright.

youtu.be/zLzqfNuKBjM

All the people saying flights are safe are lying. They are not safe and they're certainly not safer than vehicles.

Looking at miles traveled per fatality, aircraft are much more dangerous. This is why the military gives flyers hazard pay.

If you want a true evaluation, look at fatalities per mile, not per capita. Per capita is wildly misleading.

Being in a bus is more exciting since you can see through windows normally, it's really boring

So is per mile.

that's ridiculous.

and planes get safer after every big accident. cars don't. a drunk driver is still going to slam into you regardless of how much radar your car has.

everything you said in your post is wrong! in fact, the exact opposite is true! even if you are talking only about airlines banned from the usa, canada, and the eu, the numbers you ask us to reference prove you wrong, and prove that the exact opposite is true. the most dangerous part of air travel is driving to and from the airport in a car. you are 100x more likely, by any measure, to die that way than on a commercial aircraft.

Ive ride in planes atleast twice a year and no you wont die. When your ears get clogged dont be a bitch about it, chew gun or yawn the entire time the plane is taking off and you shouldnt have too much of a problem. And dont fucking clap when the plane lands

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I had a chance to fly with Emirates once. Before that I went with ryanair and it was like a luxury plane even on economy class.
I am high (186 cm) and with ryanair I have no space for my legs, here with economy I had a big fucking space, I was able to watch movies, and they served so great food that it can go on a par with any restaurants.

I died the first time

was it a good death?

This HAS to be bait. No one is really this stupid

OP here. I had to leave and so many responses damn I will read them all through, thank you so much,
If you hear news about crashing, it was probably me, please make a thread to remember me.

its like raaaaaaaeeeeaaaaaaaaiiiin on your wedding day

1. You can grow a pair
Or
2. Tits or GTFO

Being over an ocean in the middle of nowhere i guess. And if you think i dont take 3x1 mg s plus drinking all the free beer i can your wrong. And i cant sleep in public.

Used to fly several times a year.
1) Second safest form of travel
Especially compared to cars or walking, it's so much safer. Trains are the only safer way to go.
2) Take a tranqualizer
Many doctors will give first time and nervous flyers something to help. In my day it was Valium. It relieves all stress, you'll probably end up sleeping the whole way.

lmao this is the most honest answer in the thread.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in TOP GUN, and I've flown nearly every type of aircraft ever made, performed hundreds of night time carrier landings, and I have over 9000 hours flight time. I am trained in fixed wing and rotary aircraft and I'm the top pilot in the entire US Air Force. You are nothing to me but just another airline death statistic. You think you can get away with making stuff up on the Internet? A plane crashes every five minutes in America, and the oil industry and airlines spend billions paying off families and covering it up, then spend less of aircraft safety and maintenance. Maybe you've just been lucky so far, or your a paid shill for the industry. Airplanes can be anywhere, anytime, and can kill you in over seven hundred ways. Let me tell you a little something you don't seem to know about REAL pilots: we are suicidal maniacs who only feel alive when we're living on the edge. If you think we give one single fuck about our passengers, you area DEAD wrong. I have crashes dozens of commercial aircraft and always manage to scuttle them in a way that keeps me and the hot stewardesses alive and kills as many passengers as possible. Remember this the next time you get on an airplane and it crashes and you die, kiddo.

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>try the alcholic way
Careful with this. Alcohol has much more effect at altitude. You're sea level buzz will get you smashed at 38k.

That's retarded. The plane is pressurized to the altitude of wherever you're going to be landing.

Valium? O.o

You should learn how to drive a car first. Cars are 1000 times more likely to kill you than a plane.

/thread

OP is a weak faggot

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Am I showing my age here? Valium no longer exists? It was the number one tranquilizer (along with Librium) in my day. It was way over-prescribed. If you're a Stones fan, you might know Valium better as 'mother's little helper'.

The plane is pressurized to about 2000 metres over sea level. The enhanced effects are due to reduced oxygen levels and very dry environment.
blog.klm.com/what-happens-to-your-body-when-you-drink-alcohol-on-a-plane/

Yeah, age definitely showing a little :)
but I was more surprised that people would actually take heavy-duty knockout drugs before flying. Seems unreasonable to me. There are very real risks involved with taking any drug let alone something as strong as Valium.

I am always afraid during take off and landing, but a good whiskey helps me.
After that I switch on the autopilot

It is literally the safest way of getting from point a to point b
There is no other way than teleporting, i don't know if you can do that tho
Bring a vidya/personal stereo with you user and chill
When starting the plane will tilt upwards and along its axis to gain altitude
Also it may shake a bit, it's all normal
I like flying, it's fun and i hope you'll enjoy it too

If you get nervous go tug one off in the little bathrooms they have. Works for me

ativan is more common now.

Guess it's my age again. I never thought of it as a heavy-duty knockout drug at low doses (I believe it was 2.5mg). But that was the era of sleeping pills like Seconol and Qualuudes.
I have no idea where things stand now, though. I quit all drugs (including alcohol and cigs) when my daughter was born 30 years ago.

tell the stewardess, or if you're lucky enough to have a hot girl next to you, that you're scared and ask if you can hold their hand :3

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Flying is actually very dangerous especially when you factor in helicopters and rocket ships. If JESUS wanted us to fly, he would have gave us wings.

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lol gay shoop is gay

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>flying first time with a plane
Is that "flying a plane" or "flying on a plane"? Big difference faggot. If you're scared of just flying on a plane you should change your tampon and pretend it's a bus with fewer dindus.

op im a commercial pilot and flying is fucking easy. planes have too many redundancies to count so quit being a little bitch about it

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...and what is the SURVIVAL rate in the case of an accident ?

>Emirates
Fuck bro, my brother died on flight SA133. Something about OP being a fag and freaking out in the cabin.

>train
>explosion
wut

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youtube.com/watch?v=B229-KLudTo
If a teen can land a plane without landing gear, then you can fly no problem. Suck it up butter cup, and use your training.

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this

A coworker flies twice a week. Hasn't dies yet. He probably claps though. He's pretty gay.

>hurr durr
Found the virgin

Yeah minus the 3 minutes of freefall from 32 thousand feet

if you don't clap it's bad luck

>What to do?
Remember. Thrust full, flaps retracted, squawk 7500. Tell something like "Allah Akbar" to ATC, after that proceed into building you don't like. SImple is that muhammad, my son

flew from charleston sc back home through terrible weather. worst i'd ever seen. flight attendants announced no drink service, and they stayed in their jump seats, belts fastened, pretty much the whole flight.

i'm trying to sleep. i'm in an aisle seat on the right, maybe row 20 on an a320. this chad-looking dude and his trophy woman are on my right, dude is next to me, wifey has the window seat. dude keeps gasping and grabbing MY hand and arm. must have asked at least 50 times "how can you sleep through this! we're all going to die!" i kept saying "no we're not, shut up, you're bothering my mother." mom is in the left aisle seat, same row.

worst flight ever. not the weather, it was chad. hell, his blonde bimbo was fucking calmer.

misleading way to present data.

>If JESUS wanted us to fly, he would have gave us wings.
Jesus gave you Aluminium and Titanium, so you can make your own wings.

>bad luck
It's not the screaming monkey-children with full diapers and the entire row of sputum-flinging old Mexican ladies? Have I been betting on the wrong horse?

... Did Jesus have wings?

clapping is pretty retarded, i dont see people clapping when someone cleans a shop, why the fuck would you have to when landed, nigger just doing his job. everyone thinks pilots are these superhuman high intellectuals, even though in all honesty we are prob some ofthe most childish peeps around

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depends if you're sitting next to this guy
>pic related

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That graphic is from r*ddit, and intentionally misrepresents the data in a way the actual source it cites cautions not to do.

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Here is your plane.

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Satan, we all know it is bad luck when passengers clap.
>t. Have survived runway overrun

Terror attack dipshit

If it goes into suicide mode just jam your foot on the stabilizer trim wheel fast

>Do you have first time stories about flying?
Yes
>Be me
>Fly for first time
>Uneventful
As is the case for almost EVERY person's first flight ever.

Usually I agree with you. But when a pilot makes a perfect/smooth landing during a heavy storm with winds buffeting the plane a little appreciation for a job done particularly well is OK.
But then I feel anyone who does their job especially well deserves respect and admiration.

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your mom is from plebbit and she intentionally misrepresents the smell of her pussy by putting a bar of soap in it when she goes to her night job and jack in the box

the truth these airline lobbyists don't want to tell you is that 100% of people who travel on airplanes will die in their lifetime or are already dead!

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Turn off hydraulic system responsible for flaps extension, and extend flaps.
Flaps won't extend, yet MCAS will think they are and turn off.
Meanwhile Boeing recommended turning off auto-trim...

Then, crash it into Boeings HQ.

And it's always the old dudes and beckys and karens that are like woo we made it.. do they do that taking their idiot kids to dairy queen

I clap at McDonalds when my tendies are ready.

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If you aren't afraid of leaving the house every day because of the sheer likelihood that a car will careen out of contoll and kill you, knowing that any day could be the day you hear those screeching tires and see that hurtling ton of metal and know your doom is coming, and that if you are lucky enough to NOT be one of the hundreds of times more people who die of car accidents than of plane crashed, you could be horribly and irreparably damaged for life, then there is NO good reason to be afraid of death by flying. The vast majority of deaths in aviation are instantaneous, thus less painful than the vast majority of car related deaths (remembering that you are literally HUNDREDS of times more likely to suffer these) which happen over minutes of bleeding out.

In other words, you are a faggot trying to scaremonger people.

>literally scaremongering ppl with tales of death cars

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Fly in the plane op! If you try to fly with it you wont go anywhere

Play some flight simulators, really. Listen to some asshole pilot with youtube channel.
After this you will be 100% certified to fly any airplane you want

what's all this shit about clapping?
every flight i've ever been on all the passengers either completely ignore the flight crew or treat them like shit
mostly the first one
dickheads wouldn't clap for the flight crew if one of them saved their life with CPR then donated them a kidney
I'm calling bullshit on this clapping nonsense

and you know this from your many experiences plummeting to the earth on a plane? you recall getting your legs severed and being cooked to death because you have practice?

even planes that suffer all engine failure can glide for miles, depending upon altitude and speed, and many can be landed without major incident.

you have watched too many movies that include plane crashes. planes don't "plummet to the earth" unless the pilots fly them that way.

Pointing out how ridiculous it is to be scaremongered by flying stories by pointing out the factually correct statements:

Car death probability=1 in 102
Plane=1 in 205,552

Average time to death after impact in a plane crash=0.04 seconds
In a car crash=4 minutes 45 seconds

Is not scaremongery, it is pointing out scaremongery by showing you what it looks like applied to something you aren't already irrationally afraid of.

>planes don't "plummet to the earth"

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and if you look carefully at the plane, you will notice that it is not correctly rigged for low speed flight, e.g. no flaps or slats extended.

so my statement stands. this would be a case of pilot error, but still, the pilots chose to fly the plane that way. if you fly slow enough without flaps and slats, yes, you will fall out of the sky..

youtube.com/watch?v=2w5gIEmVIXo&t=2s

oh, and i forgot to mention that this was a cargo jet. so the flight crew and a bunch of cargo died in this crash caused by pilot error.

this is just like that one in malaysia over the highway where the pilot shut down the wrong engine, and crashed into some cars. again, the pilot (incorrectly) flew the plane that way!

>religiously blames pilot error for all crashes
hello, boeing shill

really?
it depends
>if a plane is constantly ascending by a small margin (like 30-60ft/min) it may be slightly unpleasant.
>if you that the wing is shaking, don't worry it was designed to otherwise it would "break apart"/fail structurally
>during fast descent, just drink water
>every shake that is under "going over rumble strip in a sports car" threshold is completely safe not matter how unpleasant it may be
>computer(s) take(s) care of lot things

you should have a bit more trust, because otherwise you won't be able to i.e go on the higher floors or pass through a bridge

this 300%

>so the flight crew and a bunch of cargo died in this crash caused by pilot error.

It wasn't the pilot's fault that the idiots securing the load did a shitty job.

Do you have a blocked nose? Better hope not or you'll have pain you can't believe in your head when the altitude changes.

They dont do that anymore after the goverment funded the nervegas cloud sucker the falling rate has dropped to 2.4%

not at all. what I said was planes do not "plummet out of the sky" unless the pilots choose to fly them that way. like the german pilot who committed suicide by flying into a mountain. that was a deliberate choice by the pilot.

any rational airline pilot would do anything within his/her capability to safely land a plane. look at united 232, complete hydraulic failure. that was not pilot error, it was a design flaw. AND STILL the plane did not "plummet out of the sky." not an ideal landing, but at least some passengers survived.

so no, i do not blame pilots religiously. but i also cannot countenance fearmongering when it comes to flying. your first flight can be scary enough, let's not terrify people when they are still on the ground.

security of the cargo is irrelevant in this case. the plane could have been empty and it still would have crashed.

at low speed, the wings do not create enough lift to sustain flight. that's why you extend flap/slats, to create extra lift to sustain low speed flight. the flight crew did not extend flaps/slats, so they could not sustain flight at low speed and crashed.

Are you retarded? One of the MATVs in the rear came loose, shifted to the rear and damaged the aircraft's hydraulics. The weight shift threw the CG to the rear and it came down in a stall.

The crash was DUE TO IMPROPERLY SECURED CARGO.

Not to mention you can clearly see the flaps extended if you look at earlier parts of the scene, idiot.

This is why I'm a drone operator instead of pilot, OP lol. I hate flying commercial.

Unfortunately to get downrange I usually have to spend 16 hours on a 777 then hours on other planes and helicopters. It sucks :(

Lol, user should let anxiety take the wheel and see how many people he can puke on. Bonus points if you make the news.

per the TSA ass lickers, these are 100% legal if they fit into a gallon zip-lock baggie

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102

i like this idea

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uh, no shit, that's what I just said

yes the world is scary and unpredictable
welcome to adulthood

OH FUCK that's what these are meant for! i thought they were some sort of souvenir or decoration shit

Plebs. I managed 2 liters of pure ethanol through TSA, nobody asked a question.

flying is safer than driving

Flying is actually very dangerous especially when you factor in cancer and war.
fuck your dumb

learn more before attempting to educate others

You're just helping Them spread chemtrails