Ok guys, I get that some people have really strong arguments against masturbation, and I get it, some make sense right...

Ok guys, I get that some people have really strong arguments against masturbation, and I get it, some make sense right ?
But what about sex ? What's the difference for our brains between masturbation and sex ? Why are there nofap campaigns everywhere but no nosex ?

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Because sex is more social, and creates additional hormonal releases that are beneficial. It's like having a glass of wine with a friend, compared to sitting at home drinking a 6 pack by yourself.

because its silly to think anyone on here is getting any

That's a terrible analogy and NoFap is a fucking myth.

There are no viable long-term benefits from abstaining from masturbation. Only sheeple and mental faggots placebo themselves into being "better".

This dude should be a therapist.

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So you're saying the only difference between pic related and being a totally healthy Chad is the social factor ?

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I know for a fact heavy masturbation saps all motivation from me and makes me sleepy/tired.

Also it's heavily linked to enlarged prostates, which makes sense considering if you jack off alot you are putting your prostate through heavy use.

Yeah that's an outlier to the topic.
>heavy
The question for the thread is why is masturbation condemned. Too much sex can be bad too. No one said anything about jacking off 6 times a day.

What makes it terrible? The point I'm getting at is that people who masturbate tend to do so excessively. NoFap is a myth, yes, but masturbating regularly isn't great for you, mostly because of the behaviour surrounding it that leads to lethargy. Even masturbating daily can be bad, particularly if it becomes part of your routine and you try to find time for it.
16 months and I'll be qualified to be one. I've even considered doing online sessions for people that really can't cope with getting out, but it feels counter-productive.
Memes aside, yeah, somewhat. A healthy relationship is obviously the most beneficial, but just having a human connection through sex is better for you than masturbating.

So they can spout bullshit

No, there are no strong arguments against masturbation, only a Tumblr meme meant to give men prostate cancer.

If sex becomes a part of your routine and you try to find time for it, does that not make it bad? Or because it's social it's ok for it to interrupt?

>masturbation causes cancer
>masturbation prevents cancer

What am I supposed to do ?

I think it really just comes down to the person. If you jack off once every two days and you feel worse because of it, then you shouldn't do it.

People keep trying to apply this one-size-fits-all solution when each person reacts differently to masturbation.

I think it's pretty much widely agreed that if you jack off too much it's really bad for your mental and physical health, the issue finding what your individual tolerance is.

enlarged prostates is not cancer. In fact people with enlarged prostates have no increased risk of cancer.

I doubt masturbation causes or prevents cancer. It definitely fucks up your prostate if you do it too much though.

It's better than masturbation in that scenario. I think you're mistaking me as somebody that's against masturbation, which isn't the case. I'm just answering why sex doesn't have a self-imposed abstinence trend, and what makes sex different from masturbation.
Maybe I should have also stated the obvious, that being how much easier it is to jerk off, which makes it easier to do more frequently. The reason shit like nofap exists so widely is because people are aware they're jerking off too much.

Since you're being civil, the terrible factor of it is the auto-applying of excessive masturbation in the analogy. Sex isn't to a glass of wine with a friend as masturbating is to a 6-pack alone. Maybe a beer or two alone? As if a need for regular social interaction is necessary. You can have sex in a toxic relationship and not feel better afterwards.

Also sounded like masturbating can't be healthy. It was thrown out of proportion when the thread's inquiry wasn't on an excessiveness to begin with.

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Yeah, I suppose so. I was jumping the shark a little, as I see the presence of NoFap as a reaction to excessive masturbation.
Unfortunately regular social interaction is necessary, though. I'm an incredibly introverted person, but I'm aware of how important it is to socialise.

>people who masturbate tend to do so excessively.
[citation needed]
None of my anecdotal RL experiences support your claim. Almost every guy masturbates, are you saying everyone is doing it excessively? When i'm alone, i'll masturbate between once a week to twice a day, depending on my mood. If you want to masturbate, masturbate. Abstinence is just as dangerous and retarded as overindulgence for absolutely everything in life.
>Because sex is more social, and creates additional hormonal releases that are beneficial.
[citation needed]
We're talking about the #NoFap campaign that claims your body releases all sorts of toxins and stops the production of T. There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support the claim that cumming from masturbation and cumming from sex has a different effect on your body in these criteria. It's pseudo-science from people who don't understand they were porn addicted, not addicted to fapping.

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You're a student.
Give advice, but "sessions"?
Patience.

Right there with you, small doses is enough for me though.

Maybe I should rephrase, as I meant people that masturbate but engage in nofap, which is why I mention it in relation to nofap as a trend as opposed to nosex, and why nosex isn't a trend.
We have documented lethargy from masturbation. I did not claim cumming from sex was different to masturbation, I mentioned the benefits it has related to the social aspect of it. However, and I say this part lightly as I could be misremembering, ejaculating inside of a woman, and a woman being ejaculated inside of, does release more hormones that are better for you. Sources to that could be Grewen, Girdler, Charnetski or Light KC. There are definitely more regarding general social benefits relating to relationships/sex. Lindau ST, and the Study of Sexuality and Health mentions a lot of this too. Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health is also relevant to some aspects of the discussion.
I meant when I'm fully qualified. I'm not rushing to any work load like that any time soon.
Definitely, I picked the wrong career, but I take solace in the fact that soon I won't be doing group-based stuff anymore.

>I meant people that masturbate but engage in nofap
I agree. You have to be in the shitter and excessive to even recognize that what you're doing is a problem to yourself. What I dislike about the NoFap movement is the pseudo-science and absolute misinformation spread and projecting their problems onto everyone else.
>I mention it in relation to nofap as a trend as opposed to nosex, and why nosex isn't a trend.
It's likely not a trend because having sex as a guy is deemed as "successful" by society whereas masturbating makes you a "loser".
>We have documented lethargy from masturbation.
I know. I merely said there's no difference between masturbation and sex in this regard.
>ejaculating inside of a woman, and a woman being ejaculated inside of, does release more hormones that are better for you.
The only thing even close to this claim that i could find is related to intimacy, not the process of sex vs. masturbation and the chemicals each releases.
Taking psychiatrists and psychologists as sources on topics that don't directly talk about this and only allow for speculation on your conclusions is exactly what i said above: pseudo-science. You can not make professional assumptions and treat people based on flimsy evidence such as this because the implied results fit into your world view.

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I wasn't personally aware nofap had a background reasoning that claimed it was bad for you.
I'm not sure I agree with your claim that masturbating makes you a loser, could very well be a cultural difference though.
Bering J has a study from 2012 that I believe covers the benefits women experience from ejaculation.
All of my sources do directly mention things I have spoken about, they each handle different aspects individually, but share common threads. I didn't read these with any bias, I took the information they presented and then formed my own opinion. If you have more credible sources that claim otherwise, I'd be willing to give them a read, but chances are I wouldn't be able to get back to you with my views afterwards.
If you don't have any credible sources and haven't read much of what I've provided, I'm going to have to give up with the discussion entirely as you may as well be trying to argue that the moon was created by the government to control the ocean.

You did not provide any sources, you provided authors with several publications. If you want to prove your point, you have to link these studies, not expect me to search them out for you. And until you did, the burden of proof is entirely on you, as you're the one that made the claims.

I listed two titles, and psychologists that speak about these subjects, it takes little google-fu to work it out. Given that I don't have the links of most of these, but instead books of accumulative studies, it's the best I can provide without wasting more time by spoonfeeding you. This is substantially more than you've provided, you have done nothing to contest any of those sources.
Regardless, I'm going to bed as I work Sundays, you could use this time to educate yourself on the matter, or not. Maybe you should just go jerk off instead.

No, you did not. You listed authors. This is not how you scientifically reference works of other people. This is not how you prove your point. Until you have scientific evidence to support your claims, i don't need to prove any source whatsoever to prove you wrong or right.

Also, not to burst your bubble, but evidence based on the sayings psychologists is pseudo-science by nature.