Why do burger-flippers think they deserve $15 an hour?

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Because some bitch doing nothing in an office deserves their LGTBQ masters pay.

I can't because I've just entered college and I'm not qualified for any of the office jobs in my area

Why do Yea Forums tards think capitalism such a great system if it is incapable of providing living wages to the poorest,and subjugates the least powerful people?

Capitalism is fully capable of providing it, with unions and a bit of regulation. You know, like the US used to have.

Imagine that. It’s almost like lower qualifications = lower pay.

lol bro really. i work as a chef and we do way more things than your burger flipping. especially on really busy days. its non stop busy from morning to night. go exercise

amen brotha, minimum wage pays like a loaf of bread is still 54cents and them milk man comes every week to pick up your glass milk bottles off the steps.

So basically you're angry that they aren't ground into subsistence level peonage?

You're having a misunderstanding of how it works. Your wage is set based on the scarcity of the number of people who are both capable of and want to do it. The more people who have the skills and who want to do it, the lower the wage will be. There are jobs that are likely exactly as physically tiring as yours that pay more because less people are willing to do it for reasons other than the physical labor, or there are less people who have the skills required to perform it. Lumberjacks and oil workers are good examples of physically strenuous jobs that are paid well because people just aren't willing to do them (in that case it's typically the danger.) But there are also jobs that require skillsets or experience in an industry which aren't difficult, physically or mentally.

Fast food is the best alive business. Putting 15/hr is making a cash flow in the economy for car payments and bitches buying purses. Injecting cash flow into the economy is the most responsible thing you can do as a capitalist. There is no inflation.

You spelled camaro wrong. Gtfo, you probably don't even have a car.

Lmao u mad?

Agreed regulated capitalism works for a while, especially under unusual conditions like post WWII, but capitalism enables accumulation of power, which inevitably leads to corruption that corrodes regulation. Eventually capitalism always ends up back in it's boom-bust cycle and the poorest pay the price.

Because they work, and workers in the richest country on Earth should be able to live comfortably if they work full time (40 hr/wk). There's no reason people who live hear should be struggling to pay rent or buy medicine.

Also because they have to deal with people. Service jobs are a nightmare.

Not particularly. I have a decent job gained through nepotism and abuse of family connections. I just don't see the need to grind down the burgerflippers to make myself feel better.

Did you understand the message? Yes. Did the misspell change the meaning? No. This is why you’ll never make more than $7/hr.

Kill yourself.

You made him smarter. Let him continue believing college ammounts to anything.

They deserve a living wage. Just enough for a roof over their heads and food.

If they want anything more they'll have to make something of themselves. But we can't let people rot in the streets.

this. learn new skills and get paid more. nothing hard to understand from that

I'm on £13/h in British Burger joint, not too great not too bad.

OP asked for an explanation, and I gave an explanation. Denying the consumerism culture and the correlation with low-waged employees is foolish.

Don’t spend money you don’t have. That’s literally it.

Inflation and perpetually increasing cost of living.

To promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty

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KeK I get paid 32.40. Don't assume, you angry bitch boi

If you can't afford your groceries, then don't buy superfluous shit.
Or get a better job. If that means getting a better education, then the only person holding you back is yourself.
Leave the burger flipping jobs to the kids in high school.
That shit was never meant to be a career.

Oh no the poor 1%! Whatever will they do?!

Yea? Well I’m a Navy SEAL with 300 confirmed kills and numerous raids on al-quaida. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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If a company doesn't pay its full-time employees a livable wage, it's just forcing the taxpayers to subsidize their labor. The underpaid employees will turn to food stamps, gov't assistance, etc., and you and I are the ones paying for that. Fuck that shit, I don't want to subsidize that shit just so McD's can make an extra bit of profit

>Shit communists say.

Because ALL workers deserve $15 an hour. Because that's how much you need to live on without a second job. Bec

being this retarded

I highly doubt most people here could do the job. I did it for 8 years, closed, opened, managed, etc. It's a high stress fast paced demanding job.

Way harder and way less pay than the job I do now which involves operating machinery for manufacturing.

That would be a great argument if they were able to afford groceries as well.

Inflation has been rising for years its the only way to match it .

>workers

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I used to work at McDonald's it literally is not hard at all.

Easiest job of my fucking life. Keep crying bitchas

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Minimum wage is for starter jobs not careers. You want a living wage? Grow your skills, improve your value, get educated or trained. Otherwise suck dick or be satisfied with minimum wage, loser. You think you can do better? Start your own business - lots of people do...not many losers do because it is way harder than working for someone else. Your love of $15 or $20 minimum wage will bring robots faster than you can say "I demand benefits".

Open your mouth a little bit wider, and be sure to cup the balls. Your upper 1% masters aren't satisfied with the blowjob you're giving them. Don't worry though, I'm SURE after sucking them off enough, they'll give you a big sack of money and invite you into the club.

Yeah but any idiot can do it. You can and will be replaced tomorrow if you leave. Other jobs that make more usually require an education of sorts you know, actually trying at life

Oh, didn't realize you were on welfare.

And learn to cook your own food - bread is 25 cents a loaf if you make it yourself.

MILLENNIALS ARE SO LAZY THEY STILL LIVE WITH THEIR PARENTS. IF THEY GO TO SCHOOL, INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR IT, THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT STUDENT LOANS.

WHEN I WAS 23 IN 1967 I HAD MY OWN CAR, PAYED OFF MY OWN $5,000 HOUSE AND HAD 3 KIDS WITH MY WIFE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH MILLENNIALS? ITS BECUASE OF THEIR PHONES AND PARTICIPATION TROPHIES

> Why do Yea Forums tards think capitalism such a great system if it is incapable of providing living wages to the poorest,and subjugates the least powerful people?
Capitalism is perfectly capable of paying you up to what you are worth. Your problem you're having is that for you, this amount isn't very high.

Effort doesn't equal money.

Luckily they would have plenty of time to do that, working 3 jobs at $8/hr

5,000 house? damn bro time as change

Every damn state has a food assistance program.
Fuck...can't feed themselves and won't even swallow their pride.
I'll do anything in my power to help another human in their time of need, but fuck those who don't want to help themselves.

Because burgers are delicious!

Bake my own bread every week - and share it with friends and co-workers. You start living more efficiently you can work less jobs. Min wage in Seattle is $15 everywhere - easy to find starter jobs at $17+

So quite and get an office job.
Oh wait, you can't.
Because you aren't worth $15.

NOT REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS MILLENIALS ARE LAZY AND DONT WANT TO WORK THATS WHY THEY CANT AFFORD A HOUSE TODAY

Literally lmao’ing @ ur life. Enjoy being poor.

So...your answer to increasing their wages is to put them all on welfare instead.

Whelp...okay then.

Capitalism is pretty decent if you know how to use the system. I paid a company $2000 6 months ago to find me somewhere that will loan me money to buy this pizza shop i wanted after being rejected by the bank. Im now killin it daily with this pizza shop

Because they're retarded. I make more than enough (to support myself while at college at least) re-selling sneakers and clothes. Do something else find out what the market wants.

Not what your employer is forced to pay. Free market is self regulating and government should keep their nose out.

>Because they work, and workers in the richest country on Earth should be able to live comfortably if they work full time (40 hr/wk)

This. Its so sad that in what we want to tote as the greatest country in the world you cant survive on a good portion of the job industry alone.

you can be lazy and still make 100k plus a year. just need the skills for it. people make thousand just sitting on their chairs all day at home everyday. its all about knowledge in our current era

Apparently you're not very good at listening. I said cup the balls and go DEEP into those tonsils. If you're typing, you're not sucking them shiny enough.

Also when you're done, you're gonna wanna open up your asshole nice and wide for that gigantic red white and blue dick that's gonna be balls deep in you.

Enjoy being a slave ;) They do say the black man is the most emulated type of male, but apparently you're REALLY going for the emulation.

Why not?

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Meant for this dude

Absolutely SEETHING.

And he'll pay more in income tax than Amazon... Douchebag

YEH BUT MILLENNIALS ARE TOO LAZY TO GET THOSE SKILLS WHICH IS WHY SO MANY OF THEM WORK AT MCDONALDS

Denmark
>free shit

United States
>free choice

if you get minimium wage and 40 hours a week with no dependents then you dont qaulify for food stamps. so if your rent if over 250 which would be a paycheck for one weeks worth of work then u gotta add electric bill and food cost and we are assuming the apartment pays for water and trash service then that at least 500 a month say if u only ate ramen. then you gotta total gas to drive to work thats at least another 150 a month.
the system was set up to make u depend on them without getting possible return. none of this encludeds if your car breaks down or you get a dui cause your life sucks. its a fucking trap man. do good in highschool....that shit actually matters

Good point on the robots.
There's a pretty sketch McDonald's I've been to that has really nice self-service order kiosks.
I've already seen some sort of robotic cook thing that flips burgers.
I can definitely see an entire McDonald's being ran by 1 or 2 people at a time in the fairly near future.

> I greet people at WalMart 40 hours. My job is to stand in one place and smile without thinking.
> I should be paid like I did something that generated over $600 of profit.
Yeah, no. You get what you're worth. And since I can already hear that complaint forming in your mouth - the thing you're about to say in response IS the proof that you aren't worth that much. People who ARE worth that much DO get the job that pays that much.

This guy literally took the words out of my mouth... good on you.

Because the 1% can't survive on buying each others' stuff, they need a middle class.

or maybe society has progressed to where the rich prey on the poor and you can no longer progress by working hard

Okay, but what would someone who is worth $15/hour say if you asked them how they got their $15/hour job?

yet again you dont really need to go out and learn those skill sets. people make decent living just playing games all day and reviewing them. or just making a simple daily blog. you can make money anywhere only if you know how to. laziness can also be a job if people are willing to pay you for it.. idk how but people throw money at anything and everything

Most people don't have a hard time avoiding DWIs mate

Imagine being so stupid, that you allow your manager to strip search you.

Then you let some guy claiming to be a police officer on the phone convince you to give the manager's fiance a blowjob.

But it's okay, because you sued your company for six million dollars.

And yes, parts of the uncensored video was leaked.

The complete video is considered one of the holy grails of the Internet.

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Sounds like your own problem. Improve yourself, aspire for something more. Go out and get what you think you deserve because this will never pass the Senate - you will always be begging for scraps off the table if you’re waiting for someone else to improve your lot in life.

In 40 years, the 20something's of this generation (who present;y endure shit jobs) will be the new 1%, they will be doing the same thing to the poor, they will be preying on them to amass their own fortunes. Welcome to capitalism, someone has to shovel the shit and it's going to be the neets. It's not like they don't deserve it for their ignorance, their arrogance and their lack of motivation.

Bullshit. Used to work as in you either quit and moved on quickly because other jobs were available, you got fired or just couldn't deal with doing the job.

Here's the thing, I expect my food to be cooked fresh and properly, the order to be correct, and given to me in a timely manner. Most fast food places with white people working there never get this shit right.

The job is easy for them because they absolutely stuck at it. And here I'm paying $7 to $10 for decent food and McDonald's can't even accomplish that. If they paid workers more they could get better help and would be worth the money.

On average.
McDonald's sales per store per day is $7,500.
Min wage is $7.25hr or $58 per day
A crew of 5 ($290) plus a manager ($165) is a drop in the bucket at $455 a day. If you paid an average of $11 with a top pay off $15, managers a little more say $20 that's still only about $780 maximum if the whole crew on all shifts has been there long enough to make to top pay.

And I get good food for either the same money I pay now or a few cents more, which they will raise prices anyway.

Hard work doesn't mean valuable work. In case you haven't noticed, it's about the opposite. Any idiot can work hard at something trivial. It takes a three digit IQ to rise above that.

Pretty sure they haven't flipped 'em in ages.

Corporations dont really pay taxes. But their shareholders (who ultimately own the company) do and so do their employees.

lol oh damn. thats just some stupid shit

And it was never meant to be a living wage.
There's a difference between the two.
Minimum wage is for high school kids and young people just starting out in the workforce.
They're most likely getting help from parents and federal financial aid for school.
If they're not going that route in life, then they're probably going into the military.
Or trade school.
Or on the job training.
Or one of those dangerous jobs like logging and fishing someone mentioned previously.
But minimum wage job were NEVER meant to be "lived" on.

Marxist red pill

I work 90 hours a week in a factory wearing protective equipment and clothing you will live

Minimum wage was supposed to grow in tandem with inflation and the cost of living.
Boomer's believed this.

thats a free market red pill you fucking retard

Because they're a bunch of commie brainwashed, self-entitled, lazy fucktards who think they should make the most money for putting in the least effort.

"Don't redistribute my wealth, redistribute my work ethic!"

BLOGGING? PLAYING GAMES ALL DAY? YOU CANT HAVE A JOB FROM THAT, MILLENIALS NEED TO LEARN REAL SKILLS FOR A REAL JOB

pics or it didn't happen you double nigger.

What's a matter? Grades not good enough? I'll take fries with that.

And here we have another perfect example of failure.
>Socialism is Communism
>Communism never works.
>It was ALL "real socialism."

Yeah thats weird eh, i went on a date with a girl last summer who told me shes a "blogger" i was like what?

I sit on my ass all day at my desk.

I "analyze" data and make simple summaries of it.

People ask me questions, and I only answer the simple ones.

I pass the complicated questions to a technical expert.

I make $70k/yr or $33/hr.

Meanwhile some dumb asshole is unloading trucks for minimum wage.

Same reason waiters think they're entitled to a tip.

But isn't gov subsidizing better then companies laying off workers and raising prices? Who suffers then? Bill gates don't look like a Happy meal kinda guy.

Sounds like the truck driver should apply for your job.
Oh wait, he can't do it. Or he never had the idea to ask.
And that's why you have the job instead of him.

Capitalism is perfectly capable of providing excellent incomes to those who're willing to show some motivation, working to go after what they really want. Also, having an understanding of how money works, how the money economy functions and how to properly and effectively manage your income/outlay can go a long way in you having a completely successful and prosperous life. Otherwise just go on living in your parent's basement until they die and the house is sold (because you cannot afford to pay the taxes on it because you don't have a job) and you end up being forced to live on the streets with all the other useless bums.

why do you think multinational corporations should rule with impunity and be able to monopolize and control all of society without any check or balance to their power?

Because the economic profit they generate for their company is FAR more than 15$ an hour
Also becuse we consider a home and food to be human rights
The real question you should be asking is why do billionaire's deserve to live like gods and not having to work a single day to maintain that lifestyle while millions of people starve to death every year

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"Game"?

Have you never been a line cook? Jesus its hell

Ive always looked at minimum wage jobs as a stepping stone for teenagers when theyre in school. Thats most of the people who work them. But because you fucked up and did nothing with your life it should all of the sudden be your lifeline

A hat in time

Strange how no one has questioned your abilities.
If someone kept fielding "complicated questions" to a tech expert, that would definitely send up some red flags.
You sort of sound like a cunt, so, I hope you get fired for being a shitty worker!

this
i remember spouting off the same boomer tier muh bootstraps drivel, then i actually worked a couple of gutter tier wagie jobs like fast food and gas stations.

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Please stop posting your gay sex fantasies. This is a min wage discussion thread. Also, LARPING on Yea Forums is against the rules, which you can read here: Yea Forums.org/rules
Now please be a good little underage &b and stop showing us all what a gigantic faggot you are.
>Reported for NO LARPING rule violation.

You're not getting it. They don't have any money. Thats why they aren't spending it. Not the other way around

>Also becuse we consider a home and food to be human rights
They most certainly aren't if you need other people to get them. Other people's time and labor isn't something you are entitled to faggot.

gb2Venezuela (or one of those hyper capitalist Nordic countries, idgaf)

> not having to work a single day
nvm, 100% troll.

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So instead of making the companies that are making them work pay. You want to pay yourself. Amazing logic

I guess wagies have something in common with NEETs after all.

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If wages continued to rise with inflation and the cost of living, the minimum wage would have been higher than that

Move, and fuck us over when they do. Look at NYC.

> Because the economic profit they generate for their company is FAR more than 15$ an hour
That sets the UPPER limit of what the company can pay you. The LOWER limit, which is what they WILL pay you, is how much your labor is WORTH. You aren't entitled to X dollars just because your labor creates X dollars of value increase in the goods. It's not you that goes bankrupt if the business fails, it's not you managing the risk and responsibility. You are WORTH what it takes to get the guy in line behind you to take the job. Only a VERY STUPID person, one who deserves to be flipping burgers, would have the idea to pay out all the profits to the customers and have no return on investment to compensate for the risk of doing business. You are an idiot, and you don't deserve a subsistence living. If you did deserve it, you'd have applied for it and gotten it at some other job, like the people who do. That you haven't done this, is the proof that you don't deserve it.

I love how these burger flippers think they'll get to keep their current little-to-no-effort minimum wage job when the wages go up.

Bro, McD's is gonna drop your ass so fast unless you're the kind of moron that gives 110% every day, at which point, you shouldn't be working at McDonald's.

We legit produce 30% more food than is required to feed earth population
Yet people are starving becuse they cant pay
And the food is left to rot instead
Also go easy on that boot, you're gonna lick a hole in it

Holy shit are you actually that stupid? Go ahead and look at every "Gaming" youtube channel or Twitch stream. If they arent consistently getting 300k+ views a video or 100+ viewers a stream. Theyre poor as shit.

>Why does other people wanting more money bother you enough to make a thread about it
Stop butting in to other peoples business boomer

>"mommy and daddy paid for my college. Why dont the kids with druggie parents just ask them for money"

> why do billionaire's deserve to live like gods and not having to work a single day to maintain that lifestyle
You know billionaires don't just sit around on their money doing nothing like Scrooge McDuck swimming in his money bin, right? They loan that money out. They have to do research, review the research, and levy their decades of experience in business, economics, law, and charisma, to reach a deal that's beneficial. Then that loan goes to create new industries and businesses, in hopes that the business and jobs so created will be more profitable than an interest-bearing account. And it's those new jobs and industries that hire your dumb ass by the hundreds of thousands to twist a wing nut onto a screw, instead of leaving you begging in the gutter. And that's why they deserve to live like gods. Because they do the work of gods.

>Thinking society is a game to be exploited and "won" by the few at the cost of the many
Fuck that noise, its essentially slavery but you get to "choose" who you wanna be a slave to

You're expendable.

Do you get it now, burgerflipping guy?

"I pressed 'Buy the buy 1000 stocks' button. I am truly a generous god."

im not saying everyone can do it. im trying to say you can make money in many different ways. if everyone can do it than you wouldn't make that much of a difference from working a part time job

You really do just eat up everything the ruling class wants you to belive dont you?

WTF are you talking about?

If you work 40 hours and make minimum wage you apply for food stamps. I worked 40 and was almost double minimum wage and still qualified for like 80 a month in stamps a few years back. All while only paying 700 a month for living expenses. While I don’t think food stamps should be a constant part of your life, neither should min wage.

You are wrong. Millenials don't work.

>implying piss bottles are a bad thing

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Better preservatives (and ending government bs that make say dairy farmers in Canada dumb millions of gallons of milk) will fix that. Without capitalism however we wouldn't produce even a fraction of the food we make now, killing millions and millions more.

HAHAHA HOPE THERE WAS NO SECOND DATE. WHAT A LOSER. I WOULD HAVE JUST FUCKED HER AND LEFT

yeah buying a burger at denmark also cost 20 dollars. so its not like he's making more money so he could save it up.

No, that's the extent of YOUR choices, because YOU'RE a nigger. OTHER people, who are WORTH something, have better choices. In fact, what choices you have is a direct measurement of your value. If YOU can run an air conditioner business, then YOU can charge like an AC repairman. But you can't. You aren't worth that. You're a nigger, and you should be grateful to your slavemaster for deigning to feed you for the subpar worthless shit you do that isn't worth the minimum wage he has to pay you for it.

>proof that you aren't worth that much

I'm a process engineer. I probably make more than you do.

Here's another way of looking at it: A worker who works minimum wage and doesn't live in his parents' basement isn't going to make ends meet. Assuming he's the sort of guy who eats food, he's going to need government assistance through things like SNAP. Why am I, the taxpayer who makes more money than you, obligated to pay for programs like SNAP, when SNAP is really a band-aid fix for Wal*Mart not paying this guy enough money to buy his own food?

It's not as if Wal*Mart can't increase his pay: certainly they have the cash. It might be that if they DO increase his pay, they'll get out-competed by Amazon/Target/whatever, in which case legislating that *everyone* has to pay a livable wage is the best way to make sure that rich people aren't using food stamps to stiff their workers at MY expense.

minimum wage =/= living wage, also, if everyone gets 15$/hour, why should i work harder to get more because i'll just get what everyone else already has?

"Not everyone can do it". So therefore the people that arent lucky should starve. What kind of warped logic is this?

Hes not as expendable as the ownership class that contributes nothing of value to society
All they do is own things of value that ought to be publicly owned
We could kill all the billionaires today and society would continue like nothing happend
If we killed all the labourers society would collapse, becuse society is maintained by their labour

I love how entitled these people are when confronted about easily earning more money.

Get into construction, It starts anywhere from 10-15/hr and in 5 years can be $25-50/hr.

"Well that's hard work, and I don't want to wait that long and have to take classes after work, or drive different places all the time."

Well how about this warehouse, it pays $17 to start.

"Well that's still hard work, I don't want to be running around all day and it can get really hot in the summer, there's like no down/slow time there."

How about this factory? It pays $15-$19 depending on the shift.

"Hell no, all the new people have to work nights there, and there's mandatory weekends! I want a normal schedule where I can go out after work and I don't want to get stuck with over time when I have plans for the weekend."

WTF do you want then?

"Idk, something easy I can do with just my high-school diploma/GED, that's day time hours, and isn't always busy, and has people I can just sort of hang out and talk to and get $15-$20 for doing it, that doesn't mind if I call of a couple days a week"

They already make 15/hr here. 20/hr if full time night shifts

Because, dear idiot, everyone having a living wage rather than just you doesn't make your quality of life worse. Pitting the poor against the slightly less poor is the oldest trick in the gilt-paged book.

Hey, motherfucker, that was mean and you should apologize

HAHAHAHA SO TRUE MY SON IS A MILLENNIAL, HE CLAIMS TO BE SELF EMPLOYED BUT I THIN MORE LIKE UNEMPLOYED JUST LYING TO ME

That shit may work on an individual level
But your only treating the symptoms
We cant live in a world were everyone is a ceo, labourers are the most important class in society
Society wouldnt run without them, yet society treats them like shit
If you think the working class wont start to fight back your a fool and you should start to think of places to hide when the revolution comes for you piggy

They should all be fired and replaced by mexicans

The only comment I have read that makes any sense whatsoever

>ad hominem
opinion discarded.. i wasnt being mean to you why the hostility?

If it means cheaper burgers, why not fire the expendable wagies?

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> I'm a process engineer. I probably make more than you do.
Weird flex, but okay. Let's go with that. It makes no difference.
> A worker who works minimum wage and doesn't live in his parents' basement isn't going to make ends meet.
Correct, and necessary. He also isn't worth it.
> Why am I, the taxpayer who makes more money than you, obligated to pay for programs like SNAP, when SNAP is really a band-aid fix for Wal*Mart not paying this guy enough money to buy his own food?
You shouldn't. There shouldn't be any SNAP program. The problem isn't Wal-Mart not paying him enough. The problem is he isn't valuable enough to apply for a better paying job somewhere else.
> It's not as if Wal*Mart can't increase his pay:
It's just that it would be a bad idea to increase his pay, because he isn't worth an increased pay.
> legislating that *everyone* has to pay a livable wage is the best way to make sure that rich people aren't using food stamps to stiff their workers at MY expense.
No, getting rid of food stamps is the best way to do that.

why should people starve if they dont know how to do that specific task or job? one person doing better than the other because of skill or talent gets paid more for that reason due to results.does not mean they deserve it or anything of the like. its because they are capable

Wow, tinfoil hat a little tight. Anyone can start a company. Show us how to open a fast food place and pay all your workers "a living wage". We will see how that goes. My guess is your going to learn real quick how businesses and economics work.

like ur mom learned real quick how my balls and prostate worked on her face

Minimum wage, the laughable idea that a government can micromanage both micro and macro economies and knows what the lowest wage must be.

ITT: too much faith in government

You're literally trying to spread easily disprovable info. A big mac meal at Mcdonalds is about 10 bucks. Either youre a paid russian or youre just stupid

The world needs less cashiers.

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How the fuck you gonna have a revolution when those working class slaves are afraid to lose their jobs if they call off to participate in it?

So did you want to answer the question or are you just going to ramble about peoples skills some more.

DELETE THIS WAGECUCK

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Because they haven't been widespread automated yet.

Food and a home are human rights? You do not have a right to make others provide those to you for free. This country gives those things out of compassion and the hopes that sometimes people fall on hard times and need help. You have no right to get these.

It costs 1 million dollars to open a KFC. So I'm with this guy.

They can barely open up bitchass bucee's gas stations in Texas where it's good and all the bullshit the left media writes about.

>please corporate daddy. give me some McBucks. I worked almost 16 hours in the burger factory today. Just one or two so I dont go hungry again tonight.

Keep licking those boots shill

> We cant live in a world were everyone is a ceo, labourers are the most important class in society
Being a laborer doesn't mean your work has low value. Doing high value work with a unique skill is quite valuable and commands a very decent wage. Nobody treats them like shit. They make a living wage. But yes, if you're a burger flipper or a cashier at a craft store, your work has almost no value. There's already another person standing behind you waiting for you to be fired, because the labor you provide is comparable in value to dirt and air. It's everywhere and there's no shortage of it and it's not even worth trying to filter for purity because all you need is filler. If you don't like that appraisal of your worth, then go get the better job like everyone else who has a better job. Otherwise shut the fuck up and admit that they can do it but you can't and this is where you belong. If the minimum wage class were Thanos snapped out of existence, we'd ALL notice the improvement immediately, and the actual laborers you say society can't run without would be untouched.

I think it was really cool when you had the American dream thing. Being able to afford SNAP and social security benefits is power.

If you understand power and mercy you would think differently.

you listening? can everyone be a architect and build a house? not everyone can do it. so tell me why should they starve for not knowing how too?

Youre gonna see a surge in socialism im, us over the coming years
Bourgeoisie piggies like you may feel safe right now, but that will soon change

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Because you're being mean to the poor out of self-interest, fuckface. I hope you trip and land throat-first on a sharp piece of exposed rebar.

I gladly would but your fairy tale land where "anyone can start a company" just isn't the real world. Loan me a few million to ACTUALLY start a company, and I'll gladly take a 10% loss so my workers don't have to use food stamps.

You misunderstand hard work for valuable work. Yes, working a cashier job or flipping burgers IS hard work. Standing in one spot doing the same thing over and over is tiring. However, that labor is not complicated. Anyone can do it and it requires very little skill. That labor is also not worth 30-40k$ a year considering how easy it is to automate it now. The robot that will replace you will cost less than 30$k a year (including maintenance), wont be late for work, will do the work consistently, wont whine like a little bitch, and will/can work 24 hours a day. So, while what you do is hard, what you do is also not worth a lot. Your labor is not worth 15$/hr.

I got a positve herpes test.....a week before

Hunger is a great motivator. Learn some carpentry and sell your carved wooden horses.

is that really all you got?
just make fun and put faith in government to fix it for you? what a sad existence you must have.

I’m starting to think contrary to my capitalist ways and think that maybe everyone should have a nice little boat instead of very few having 200 foot yachts and the majority having life rafts. I hate the fucking idea of government-control aka socialism. I’m definitely for higher taxes for better education and health care. For children. Old adults can die off.

Rights are a human construct. We create them because in order to live in a civilized society we must have basic rules in order for everyone to continue to prosper and the country to move forward. Any rational human being would assume being able to sustain your self and actually be alive would be a right, but I guess you haven't hit the "rational" phase of cognitive development

Cashiers become bankers, burger flippers are working for the biggest businesses in the world. When you win in stocks you thank me, you're welcome.

You're talking borgouise shit because you're an idiot. Inject money into the economy and people buy things that would otherwise be sitting there.

Most McDonald's have 3-5 Managers working same days and 10-15 workers each shift this also includes that the general manager is usually working there on those days too.

This also doesn't include the fact that most workers waste a lot of product by :
>Burning
>Dropping
>Eating
>Throwing away
>Letting it expire/Cooking too many

You're not even accounting for all of that.
Also most of the work at McDonald's is done through buttons, not actually flipping burgers.

The Job is easy as shit.

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What is your solution. I really want to know. My wife volunteers at a food bank and they have to be real careful on how fresh the food is. Most places would rather throw it away and not risk being sued cause someone got sick. Realize if they are throwing it away that means it is perishable and would need refrigerated trucks to hold and deliver. Btw millions do not starve in the us every year.

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right... that also falls in skill learning category

Richest country? Is that what usafags believe? You guys are'nt even in the top 10. lol

You're missing something here, though, aren't you? If he's not going to get a living wage from working, and he's not going to get assistance from the government, what SHOULD he do? Starve to death? At some point you have to ask yourself if you want to live in a place where people who can't work or whose work isn't worth enough should die, horribly.

If you aren't capable of learning, why are you deserving of food?

Fun anecdote about Ontario, where we're at $14/h. Menial healthcare jobs, namely PSW's, are absolutely essential to the operation of our overall system, but because they in no way create wealth, they're poorly compensated by necessity. Still, we were able to pay them enough, that it was a solid step up from food service, and thus people chose to accept the unpleasantness of cleaning up the shit of old people. Once this change came through, it was suddenly only a 2-3 dollar an hour difference between goofing off at Tim Horton's for 60% of your shift, and wrecking your back and being on the verge of vomiting for 8 hours. Now the only people we can get for PSW jobs are Filipinos fresh off the boat who don't speak basic English, and fat white autistic girls who can't work with others or the public, that get stuck on night shifts and abuse the people they're looking after.

As for the raises? The cost of food at the grocery store is largely unchanged, fast food went up, and rent went way up. Care facilities just run extremely short-staffed and lie about the injuries people see on their parents. It's worth considering that a level of lifestyle is not something that can be guaranteed, and that attempts to do so are inevitably coercive, and will be met with push-back. It's worth noting too that even with this bloated MW, probably 75% of the businesses have perpetual "Help Wanted" signs out. Rigs have "AZ driver? Start work today! Will train" signs on the back. Once people discovered that having a roommate isn't so bad when you're young and dissolute, they just shack up and go on Ontario Works and get the gibs.

>i don't have an argument
>ur sad
You got me dude. Really hit it out of the park with that one. I'll spell it out easily for you since the sarcasm didn't work. The only thing keeping you from being a slave is government intervention.The whole "free market" thing doesnt work when someone has a gun to your head and your choices are to work or be killed. We had a whole war about what happens when businesses are allowed to do whatever they want, but I guess you havent reached that subject in school yet.

> If he's not going to get a living wage from working, and he's not going to get assistance from the government, what SHOULD he do? Starve to death?
Become a better person whose existence is worth the cost of existing.
Otherwise, yes. The game of life has some losers. You can't just sit on your ass and be worthless and expect mana to rain from heaven. Human life has an intrinsic value, but for some worthless people this value is lower than the cost of living. And that's a decision YOU make when you decide not to learn some useful skill and practice it.

lol you got comeback for everything

eh, humanity is fucked regardless.. someone will eventually coerce you to do something, there is no utopia, but you can believe whatever shit you like.

1. The first statement is provably false. Most McDonalds have around 7 people working at any given time and even down to 3 late at night.
2. The cost to companies like this for product is so low you could throw away a whole crate of patties and it wouldn't put a dent in the overall profits for the store.

Interesting point you make about standing in one spot doing the same task over and over again not being replaced by robotics and automation. Not to get off subject about McDonalds employees making $15 an hour, but i really have to ask what is going to happen to our economy after 99.9% of all jobs are automated because the corporate world craved more profits and put all those people out of work? Who is going to support them? Are we just going to let them curl up on the ground and die of starvation and exposure to the elements? What is going to happen to these deplorables? I just gotta know what peoples thoughts on that subject are even though I agree that flipping burgers is not worth $15 and hour.

Being right tends to have that effect.

Ask the Burger Flippers.

>I work at McDonald's and it's fucking tiring as fuck
>You are on your feet for the entire duration of your shift and at the end of your 10+ hour shift your legs hurt like shit

I once worked at Hardee's and it's pretty much the same thing --easy as Hell. I stay on my feet 12 hours a day speed walking from one end of a plant to the other fixing shit while wearing heavy steel toed boots. A winy little manlet like you should consider suicide.

The correct thing to do if you have nothing to say is to not post. And the correct thing to do if your viewpoint has been proven false is to change your viewpoint. But you aren't going to do either of those are you?

Oh I can't pay rent by myself. I live in America not in Russia or Mexico.

>1. The first statement is provably false. Most McDonalds have around 7 people working at any given time and even down to 3 late at night.

You've never worked at a McDonald's before.

are you trying to coerce me now even? lol, you bitch about corporations, but its ok if you attempt to coerce someone else? double standard much?

i wasn't even talking about food to begin with. i was talking about getting paid with different methods

There is, right now, a 3D printer jumpstart program. Someone will send you the parts you need to make a 3D printer, and require you to continue the program by printing more parts to send to the next two guys in a reverse-pyramid scheme. This is the future of automation. We eventually all fuck off into space on a similar program where one guy and his starship making drones will give you a starship if you pay it forwards by using your drones to mine asteroids and make more starships for the next people. That's where the line of automation ends. Everything becomes free and everybody has the tools to automate the production of what they want. Because the guy who runs the shoe factory can't SELL any shoes if nobody has MONEY to BUY them with, and so he won't MAKE them, and so there's an equilibrium point. The world where no human farms, is also the world where no human is hungry.

No they don't they deserve $$$$ for free

>I heard someone use the word coerce so I'm gonna try it out
Probably confirms youre a russian shill considering you don't seem to have a grasp on the english language yet. Im not forcing or threatening you. If countering your worldview is a threat, you must be even more small minded than I thought.

>free
>working for money
Pick one

Yes, one.
Not both.
Your work is worth $7. You don't get the other $8 for free.

>making sandwiches
>working
Pick one

which is a flawed concept because in an open market people are infinitely exploitable as they are a renewable resource

the majority of people are literally worthless and can't be worked into servitude and will be if left unregulated, this has been a given for the past 5,000 years and only recently has it been changed and reversed due to industrialization and human/workers rights movements

if you are even moderately aware of history you should know this...

it's not like removing regulation will somehow have a market automatically correct it's self in regards to exploitation, it will just go back to how it was pre workers rights where serfs get paid fuck all and can't even feed themselves unless they become literal slaves while people who have the means to exploit labor live like nobility

$15 an hour is not that much, poverty wage line is $12 ah hour where i live, so if you worked full time at $12 an hour you would be on the poverty line. $15 an hour is not much.

lol, keep trying to talk over my head... its all you got.. how does it feel to be failing at an argument so you try to make yourself feel better by thinking you are somehow smarter?

What fucking $15/hr worker can afford a god damn Camaro and how do I sign up? I'm making like $30 an hour and rent's kicking my ass, please tell me your secrets.

>willing
I think I see a problem

It's almost like you can still hold true to lower qualifications = lower pay without forcing people into bankruptcy or wage slave debt.

>the minimum wage hasn't risen in close to 40 years
So? It was never a good idea.

WOW, that is pretty deep and trusting of your fellow man who would right now fuck you over and throw you under the bus for another nickel in his pocket, and also pretty naive thinking. Just like this 3d printer program it only works til somebody says fuck it I got mine who gives a fuck about the next two bozo`s, and therein lies the flaw of your equilibrium point.

And gas was 5 cents a gallon.

>college debt
> making it in the world.

Before we try improving working class America we should try improving the homeless status, and I’m not even on board with that. They’re just about as lazy as fast food workers

>Burger

>I'm making like $30 an hour and rent's kicking my ass, please tell me your secrets

I make $25 an hour and get by pretty okay. I usually have at least $12k in the bank. Not sure what you're doing wrong, but you should be able to live quite comfortably off of $30 an hour.

Why do faggots who play sports think they deserve several million a year?

You're arguing with an empirical result. The 3D printer jumpstart program works. The rate of default is below half, and this enables to project to continue. Having you provide the parts for TWO people, means that half of people can defect and progress still continues. If the amount of defectors were two thirds, they'd ask for you to make three instead of two. It's not naivety, it's a measurement. Humans don't defect as often as you claim.

It just so happens this business model is perfect for a healthy economy.

Improving the homeless status is as easy as setting up a few suicide booths from futurama. Just dispense cyanide pills from a vending machine.

Learn new skills? the job will require you to prove that you have the skills. how do you prove you have the skills? Diplomias etc. How do you get those? Collage, 6 month long training programs, etc. How do you get those? With money of course.

You are retarded. My office job might not be physically harder but my responsibility is tenfold and when I fuck up the cost of my mistakes are more than your value menu mcdouble.

Anyone can start a company selling ideas and dreams or a skillset, but any real commodifiable buisness requires a serious investment. Investments that not everyone has or can gain the credit to access through a bank.

You're living a pipe dream if you think you can just go and start an internet delivery company and just compete with Amazon with no start up investment or if you think that most major markets have a winner take all player that has deep enough pockets to just undercut their competition and force them out of said market space. That's just how our economy works, monopolies happen and are inevitable, we take steps to try to separate and control this function within markets for a reason.

> How do you prove you have carpentry skills?
You grab a hunk of wood and carve it into a horse and show it to them.

horse shit, you can pay people fuck all and this is what most people try to do, this is why most contractors want to open their own trade company because you can take a job on contract and earn 100$ an hour when all is said and done, or work for some joe plumbing company and get paid 20$/hr while your company makes 80$ off you

that's what buisness is about, exploiting the labor of others in a great enough volume that you can scale and reproduce your method of earnings

>my responsibility is tenfold and when I fuck up the cost of my mistakes are more than your value menu mcdouble.
Yeah, turning in your TPS report late is definitely worse than giving someone food poisoning.

Personally I'd rather they paid burger-flippers a decent wage, and it would also be nice if low-wage white collar cucks like yourself stopped being so butthurt about your own job being so shitty and low paid.

"OH GOD THE BURGER FLIPPER IS MAKING MORE THAN ME, I MUST REVOLT"

You're an insecure bitch, and your shitty job is obviously pretty worthless too, or you'd be paid more.

What professional athletes think is irrelevant, they're paid highly because they bring in money. If McDonalds could sell burger flipping broadcast rights for tens of millions of dollars, then burger flippers would make more money.

If you need money you don't have, then you ask for a loan. To get a loan you need
A) Charisma. - This increases your value as a person. Eat your boogers during the presentation and they won't give you the money.
B) A plan that makes financial sense. - These people aren't going to piss their money away, and the reason THEY have money is because they're smart enough to tell a good plan from your shit plan. Prove to them you will make money to make it worth their while.
C) Ability. - Your financial plan is shit if you don't actually have the skill to follow through with it. Show them you can.
Do that, and you get the money, because that's how THEY make money.
Not everyone CAN do that. And if you can't, then you have to accept that you aren't worth as much as you think you are. Asking for charity at your local church might be more your style.

aggregate demand determines CPI
labour is still a worthless infinitely exploitable resource on a global scale, while petrol is diminished in availability and has risen in demand

Holy shit shut up.

People relying on a system to provide for them are not going to defect from it, biut are twice as likely to lick their chops and abuse it for more free shit. Those who have refused be part of that system and provide for themselves are very unlikely to buy into a system of free shit because they always see a price attached that free shit and the bill will come due eventually and some one will be forced to pay it.
Now that you have sent me the parts to build my 3d printer, are you also going to send me the consumable media that I must use to print the parts for the two others that I must send parts to? If not it is not free, because i must now purchase or barter for the media used to print those parts.

I suppose if your rent is under 1k a month you'd be fine, but try paying out 2k a month for some 500 sq ft piece of shit box

donno how you can have 12k at all times making 30/hr when the price of living is soo expensive, and 15/hr is fuck all, you will fucking starve to death in NY on that

> most contractors want to open their own trade company because you can take a job on contract and earn 100$ an hour when all is said and done, or work for some joe plumbing company and get paid 20$/hr while your company makes 80$ off you
You have correctly identified the difference in value between someone who CAN run a business, and someone who CANNOT. They all want to. But, (why oh why, this is no surprise) they don't. They don't have the know how, the skill, the advertising, or the financial planning to earn investors to start their business.
You're right, that IS what business is about. People who CAN, making people who CAN'T useful. Your boss can run the business. He can do it because he pitched his business to those investors and got his money to start up. He won, where you would lose or not even bother to try. He takes the risk, he has the debts, he writes your check. And you bitch but keep working for him, because you have no idea how to put an ad out to get people to call you instead to do the work so you can keep all the money.

>shut up shut up
kek, has that ever worked in the entire history of the world?

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>you get those? Collage, 6 month long training programs, etc. How do you get those? With money of course.

You do realize there are entry level positions for nearly any skilled trade where they pay you? You'll start out low, but your pay will increase with your skill set. First, you need a solid work history. Second, you have to have the intelligence to pick up on said trade skills being taught to you. Finally, you must show them good attendance along with a good work ethic and willingness to learn.

Okay, you've established that the office job is so easy any idiot can do it.
And yet you're flipping the burger.
How many standard deviations below an idiot are you?
Go get that office job or shut up and guzzle that pink slime.

You're arguing with an empirical result, and no amount of reasoning on your part is going to change the empirical result. You're already wrong, it did not in fact happen as you predicted.
The consumable media is of course only bought when the cost of manufacture of the item is cheaper than the commercial asking price of the item.
This also carries through to the final starship scenario, where the cost is literally nothing since the materials are just there for the taking and don't have to be bought.

And then what , you got a grown up job?

listen buddy, I own a sprinkler fitting buisness

it was handed to me through my family, and I've seen my friends go through shitty jobs and some have become tradies and some work shitty dead end jobs and only one finished with multiple degrees and is killing it

banks don't just hand out 500k buisness loans... they just fucking don't, you're living in a fantasy world, I get to make 6 figures a year because I have a working buisness that I was born into, and my best friend gets to be a fucking carpenter making 22$/hour building cabinets, that's how life works and it has nothing to do with hard work, I literally do fuck all and make 6x more then him, I do payroll on sundays, ask my lead hand what work orders have come in, confirm work orders, check job sites, train new employees and I don't even have to personally do installs, I pay less then half of what a job makes to my journeymen, literally the minimum their union requires and make a killing off doing virtually fuck all, all thanks to what my father built for me

everything your selling me, is a pipe dream you've been fed, and it's a crock of bullshit, I did nothing to deserve gaining my income and I know plenty of people that work harder then me that are also better with their money that are fucking broke as fuck and live check to check

you are either very smart and can innovate in some way to create something new that can succeed on merit, which is literally a fucking sliver of our population who can develop extreme talent in regards to their cognitive abilities, or you're just an average slub, and slubs get two lots in life, you either get family or friends that can do something for you or you don't, and most don't and hard work or some pipe dream doesn't change that, they can't just go out and make a company at the drop of a hat or everyone would do it, banks don't give a flying fuck about your ideas or plan, they only care about your liquidity and your credit rating...

It's simply because any retard can do it. I mean. Literal retards do it. I've worked at McDonald's and several jobs where I've had to stand all day and I can tell you McDonald's was probably the easiest of them all. But as stated anyone can do it.

If literally 100% of people could play a sport at the same world class level, athletes wouldn't get paid a lot either.

Also minimum wage needs to be city regulated. Most of these people complaining live in NYC, LA, and other major cities where apartments are expensive as fuck, but still need people to pump gas and make burgers.

Also also. People forgot what minimum means.

Fuck yeah. Most millinials we hire for factory work don't last a month. Start bitching right away that they know more then the engineers and they should be made manager by now. Usually the straw is they miss so many days cause if they don't get the day off, they call in sick. No work ethic.

>I suppose if your rent is under 1k a month you'd be fine

That's why you don't live in a democrat controlled area. Too many taxes and mandated fees leech into every aspect of your life driving up the cost of living and creating trickle down poverty.

I LIKE THE WHOPPER
FUCK THE BIG MAC.

My job is hard. My job pays good. You want to pay me the same as a Walmart greeter then I want to be a Walmart greeter. Guess what though, Walmart greeter can't do my job that requires a degree in EE. Now what.

Are there enough for everyone?

Are there enough good jobs for everyone that's qualified for them?

Are there enough good jobs, period?

Face it, as long as jobs exist, no matter how shitty they are, people will have to do it.

So why shouldn't they make a living wage?

>Fuck yeah. Most millinials we hire for factory work don't last a month. Start bitching right away that they know more then the engineers and they should be made manager by now. Usually the straw is they miss so many days cause if they don't get the day off, they call in sick. No work ethic.

OMG, I see the same damn thing. I've seen too many of these gamer idiots land $22 an hour jobs and get canned for poor attendance. Usually happens when you stay up all night playing video games.

> banks don't just hand out 500k buisness loans... they just fucking don't
That's a great excuse that you should for every day until you bankrupt your business with your incompetence be glad that your parents or grandparents didn't use.
Your family passed down to you both the risk and the rewards. And yes, this is a rare privilege. And it makes you a hypocrite for using it as an argument, since you aren't I assume interested in distributing it to your workers, or raising their wages to eliminate all your profit. Because you too know that there is a particular value to labor.
A fool and his family's money are soon parted.

The people against it are shameless assholes. Shame on them. They are eating and feeding their children food made and prepared and served to them by other people.

Shameless fucking boomers.

Accurate. Also work in a warehouse. No lie, seen 60 or 70 able bodied millenials come through and leave/get fired within a month. If you show up on time and finish your work, you are like a godsend to the bosses.

The job sucks and is dead end and the managers fawning over you because you have the slightest bit of work ethic isn’t worth shit but the pay isn’t bad for an uneducated laborer. Could do a lot worse.

I will always prefer to live in cities over rural areas, it's worth the money and I love city life

you get paid 15$ an hour as an electrical engineer?

are you fucking retarded? at least make your larp somewhat believable

>You're always worth what the chief decides you're worth
>You're always worth what the magistrate decides you're worth
>You're always worth what the feudal lord decides to bestow upon you
>You're always worth what the factory owner thinks you're worth
>You're always worth what your employer is willing to pay
There have always been ass kissers and shitheads willing to prop up their own masters and participate in their own slavery and oppression.
Today is no different.

Lol, check this sped out. My god...

So buy a truck and sell Chuck's truck cluck chicken to start out just like most businesses did. You must be a milinial because right away you demand to be like KFC without doing any work.

I’d say the same thing for burger flippers who complain

Most low paying jobs are hiking their intro wages up. Gotta compete with the unskilled machine operator positions starting people at 18.50/hr

>Face it, as long as jobs exist, no matter how shitty they are, people will have to do it.
>So why shouldn't they make a living wage?

We tend to work our way up the skill ladder dip shit. I've worked for minimum wage at some point in my life. Everyone starts out in the work place, thus there will always be a supply of unskilled workers. Whether you stay there or not depends on your personal initiative.

There have also always been entitled whiny bitches saying they're worth more than they are and not being able to walk the walk. If you think you're worth more, get the job that pays more. You can't? That proves you're wrong. The guy who got that job was, and you weren't. You're not all worth the same. And that means some people are on the bottom. Sucks to be you. Try being less like you.

You don't understand . I will give those things because I believe in helping those that are down . I grew up poor. I understand fully. You still do not have any right to demand I give you those things. I do not expect gratitude as I walk down the street but you are ungrateful when you demand I give you free stuff. Learn the difference.

Keep your porn out of a burger thread

As if this somehow invalidates my point, point being I can walk into a bank tommorow and I guarentee you I can get a buisness loan for over 500k, no problem, my buisness alone would be worth 2m easy illiquid. If some bum 22 year old with nothing to his name goes in for a loan tommorow because he just earned his B.O.B. and wants to open a Subway franchise, tough fucking luck kid no liquidity to your name, no loan... go sell your dreams to someone who gives a shit or become a plumber. That's my point, after hearing these bullshit posts about ''anyone can start a buisness''. No they fucking can't and that's the honest truth. To keep one running requires a working buisness model, true, but if you know how that model works and simply follow it, for example, following safety regulation and hiring unionized journeymen to work a trade while covering overhead and paying them their required wage by union regulation you end up with a scalable buisness to the degree you can acquire people who need your services and it doesn't take some extremely highly skilled worker to go through this process and I promise you it isn't rocket science. It's a matter of having the resources in place to enable doing so, or not having the resources and thinking that isn't how it works is at best naive and optimistic.

I'll loan you exactly what I had to loan bill gates to start Microsoft. Yes, anyone can start a company. It takes hard work and big risks. If needed it takes loans . My father got laid off as a factory worker and started his own business. It was very hard. It took second mortgages, he made it work but was not ever rolling in the dough. Your response to me was " spoon-feed me a company and I will try and run it". Not how any company was formed.

You're asking me to fight a losing fight with something that isn't shit.

I'm disappointed with the price set by Kentucky fried chicken. I would do a version of that and bulid a larger than life brand name but if keep getting told no by real estate property health inspectors insurance etc. I don't think I'm as retarded as you to stick to slaving at my taco truck. Because you pushed me there, and all of a sudden my Chinese shoes are "contraband".

Halp.

>So buy a truck and sell Chuck's truck cluck chicken to start out just like most businesses did. You must be a milinial because right away you demand to be like KFC without doing any work.

This!

If you started a small Chuck's cluck Truck Chicken (or whatever) and after 3 years you're able to demonstrate to the bank that you are competent enough to establish and run a small business, you can then qualify for the million dollar franchise loan.

I would rather pay student loans.

Who wouldn't? Paying student loans is better than sex, chocolate, and Harry Potter fanfic

It does invalidate all of your points, literally and directly.
Your business was at some point a startup without liquidity, and your founder did exactly the thing you're claiming is impossible.
Your continued existence in your field depends on your arguments being false.

Problem is they always put education last do they can con us into paying more taxes, for the children. The truth is our education system is the biggest hurdle in breaking people out of poverty . Poor districts take in less tax money and can't afford what a rich district can. You want equality, every school should get the same amount of money per child regardless of how rich the district is.

>but if keep getting told no by real estate property health inspectors insurance etc. I don't think I'm as retarded as you to stick to slaving at my taco truck.

Other than select areas of California, this isn't the 3rd world and we have standards and regulations to adhere by. Clean up your act and be compliant.

Why do corporations think they deserve to use taxpayer-funded social services to mitigate the harms of underpaying employees?

Funny, I met a cuck who was FDA approved with his selling of cow steaks he had to sell his ranch/farm shit like a crook.

Why do I even argue with you people.
It was a bad steak by the way. Sone grandma did buy him his $200 deal at the carnival show he pulled.

>You want equality, every school should get the same amount of money per child regardless of how rich the district is.

They tried that in Indiana, but Obama and other dems shut it down. It's called a voucher system.

You're right you're a racist. What you don't understand is something my father taught me which is podroso. You can look it up in a Spanish dictionary.

Stop passing failing students to the next grade in grade school and high school.
Do away with student loans.
Colleges will have to lower costs because they can't slurp up infinite free government money.
Students will be able to afford the cheaper tuition from working their jobs.
Students will have to pick relevant courses instead of lesbian dance therapy.
Students will choose to work trades and go directly to work instead of spending so much money on useless degrees.
Colleges will have to start checking students for quality again instead of being diploma mills.
Having a college degree will start actually meaning something again.

That's your morals being projected on me. Listen , I have no problem with these programs. My problem is you think it is their right that I give them these things. Yes, there are some that do not want to give these things but we as a majority have said we want to provide. It isn't their right to take. We as a majority can take them away.

Why do CEO's who golf all day think they deserve 100 million dollars a year?

Rent

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Because it's their taxes paying it.

Capitalism is capable of those things, provided there are adequate regulations in place to protect the free market.

no thanks i'd rather service your cock and balls like an asian massage girl the day before rent is due

Then you don't understand mercy. What country are you left with?

If minimum wage is raised to 15 dollars and the employer still pays you then they ARE willing to pay you 15 dollars an hour.

Why do greedy jews think they deserve $X for housing, medical, education, etc???

Thats why they flip burgers, they are stupid and dont realize that their wage isnt the problem.

Because they create 200 million in jobs for you to work.

my father started his buisness with liquidity, he saved money for over 10 years to have 50k for his startup, he received no help from any bank, and 50k was a lot of money back then, and he only employed himself and my uncle when he started and had much different levels of overhead and work orders, which still validates my point

They're willing to pay half of you that for twice the work and sell the product at twice the price.

>Why do CEO's who golf all day think they deserve 100 million dollars a year?

I think we're getting CEO salaries confused with those of celebrities and pro athletes. CEOs typically make less than 1/4 of that.

burger flippers need to live too. do you expect them to sleep in homeless shelters and eat out of garbage cans?

Do that then or fuck off, you loser.

But think like a poor person and a retard.

corporations get a ton of tax breaks for hiring certain quotas of people. like x number of blacks, x number of latinos, x number of disabled, x number of women. by the time they get done, they hardly pay any taxes at all, the only taxes leaving the offices of corporations are in the form of deductions, withholdings and city/state/federal taxes withheld on the paychecks of their employees.... so that's the employees, the citizens paying the taxes, not the corporation.

No, I expect them to learn a skill and then get a job doing that which pays more when they move out of their parent's basement.

>I work at McDonald's and it's fucking tiring as fuck
Agree wit hthis
but its not a hard job. stop eating their shitty food, get a new diet and work out. EASIEST fucking job on the planet

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>Rent

That's easy to fix ...MOVE SOMEWHERE YOU CAN FUCKING AFFORD IT! UNTIL THEN, QUIT BITCHING!

see by the same logic, ''anyone'' could start a franchise and buy a MCrestaurant for a little over a million or less varying on where you live, but most people can't save up 5,000$ let alone a few hundred thousand, it's just not realistic in today's economy

>Your wage is set based on the scarcity of the number of people who are both capable of and want to do it.
In a free market, yes, but we lack the regulations to protect the free market as well as the necessary level of social safety net required to ensure people are able to trade their life&labor under conditions meeting the "want to do it" criterion.

The rest of your post is just retarded attempts to pretend the exploitation is justified.

yes, because a large number means that I make more money, dude, puts that big boy brain to work, do you think there is a possibility that companies simply pass on the cost of their "increase" to customers? would not that make everything more expensive in proportion to the increase?

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do what be an unemployed NEET in mom's basement preaching neoclassical economics on Yea Forums like you?

no thanks, at least I've realized who I've been responding to

I have pondered this myself. Unchecked population explosion will only make it worse. I'm oldfag and not only will automation add to my profession it will be a long time to automate my job. I will be retired soon anyway. I think one solution is for them to fix social security so people can retire earlier and leave the jobs to the young.

Your point is 10 years and 50k are too much and have less power. I am not risking either in the gamble that is a crappy business. A losing business model. We have like 2 no name hole in the wall restaurants i could roast. I refuse to run a business like that into sure debt and bankruptcy.

The boom-bust cycle is a byproduct of inflationary debt-based monetary policy, not the structure of the economy w.r.t. ownership of capital.

they give out LIMITED scholarships. Usually to winners of contests, even then, they only do it for the PR. If they gave out a scholarship to everybody that worked there, the company would be broke.

You're absolutely 100% right.
MOST people CANNOT do that.
My argument was never ever that ANYONE can do it.
My argument was that if YOU can't, then you aren't worth it.
The proof is in the pudding. And you have no pudding.
Every time you complain that you can't just do what other people have and still are doing, you're proving you don't deserve the rewards they've earned. And that's why burger flippers don't deserve $15. Because they're burger flippers, not businessmen. And they don't have what it takes to make the change to a higher paying job. Because they have no skills and no value.

>corporations get a ton of tax breaks for hiring certain quotas of people. like x number of blacks, x number of latinos, x number of disabled, x number of women. by the time they get done, they hardly pay any taxes at all

Stop voting for those who advocate government mandated social engineering --problem solved!

At least they bitch about real things instead of bitching about other people bitching.

That's a very salty way to concede the argument.
But thank you for your participation.

Just like torrent downloads. Peeps get theirs , disconnect.

Get gud degre

Which is of course why torrenting doesn't work.

But you're being a burgoisé lady thinking that. I'm thinking about setting up a vending machine business and move on to a nightclub or bar. if not a restaurant franchise. I will not be in any debt doing this.

Go to sleep Stan, you are drunk and ranting again.

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why do you lie so much? even the CEO of the PGA who's job is nothing but golf only makes 1.5m

Because someone else thinks they are worth it and pays them.

Sounds great! Go for it!

They don't necessarily deserve $15/hr but there is a severe need to update the federal minimum wage to close the gap from cost of living. Minimum wage doesn't keep up with inflation, so you end up having people working multiple jobs and ending up on government assistance for medical because none of those employers offer it. If the minimum wage for ALL industries, not just fast food, were to be raised to meet the need... in the long run it would end up saving taxpayer money and getting the workers to shut the fuck up. Is $15 an hour fair? I don't know, but if a financial expert that knows more about the economy said that minimum wage should be around that area due to the state of things nowadays... sure I guess.

Satan is right tho.

I'm lowkey asking for advice or real world experience from anonymous

Who said I do? I'm stating facts, not opinions.

this

there is something called CPI, you learn this in your basic economics 1st year of buisness school at your local university

you see, when you raise the prices of your goods or services to ''pass it on to the consumer'' most markets have multiple entities listing the same goods or services and their prices are set according to the consumer price index (which is basically an average of what that good or service costs)

when your company ''passes it on'' what will happen is they make less money, because people will more often shop around the CPI, and if walmart is selling pepsi for 1$ a bottle and fuck-you foodstores inc. is selling pepsi for 5$ a bottle to ''pass it on'', people naturally go to walmart and fuck-you foodstores inc. makes less money then they originally did and fucking burns to the ground because they tried to price gouge their customers far outside the range of the CPI

this is why inflation is typically determined by aggregate demand in conjunction with the CPI as well as the allotted amount of fiat currency in circulation and not simply the whim of people to randomly choose they want to charge X amount of money for X thing unless that is of coarse they have a monopoly within the market they compete (the Martin Scarelli situation if you will raising the price of aids meds by 1000% because he simply could)

> Minimum wage doesn't keep up with inflation,
Minimum wage causes inflation. Of course it can't keep up with it. Raise the price of a good by raising the wage of everyone in the production chain and goods cost more money. That's where inflation comes from. The work didn't change, the product didn't change, but you decreed by artificial price floor that it had to cost more, and this directly devalues your currency by the stated amount. $7.50 can no longer buy an hour of burger flipping. It now takes $15 to buy that. The value of the dollar just got reduced to 50%. The dollar value meal is now the two-dollar value meal.

>herp durrr fuck you loser go away
responds with ''oh I see you're a NEET''
>got'cha thanks for losing the arguement
k then, make sure you tell mom to fire up the oven nice tonight so you can celebrate your arguement win with some tendies after you empty out your used piss juggs

Do you think I'm wrong because you can't compete with Amazon? The internet is full of competition. Even large one like Alibaba. Again, every one of you complaining about starting a company starts off with wanting to be KFC and Amazon. Lots of space between startup and them with people making it work.

Before you start any business, do the research. How much does the vending machine cost to run? To buy? To set up deliveries? To lease space in your target location? Payment processor? A guy who restocks it? Find out what you need and make your plan. Find out everything that can go wrong. You might not think you can go into debt - but you would be very wrong once you buy something with an operating cost and stocking cost.

it's all based on supply and demand. ANYBODY can work at a fast food joint, as long as they aren't completely retarded. They're quite literally "a dime a dozen". Having the education and skill to run a successful corporation however, or even just the day to day dealings as an office worker... that's more scarce, so pays more. That's why a manager makes more than a secretary. They're both desk jobs, but anybody can answer a phone.

please prove that the minimum wage causes inflation, I'll wait....

fuck I'll even take a loose correlation if you at least make the sample over 5 different locations...

Owning a business is a lot more work then just showing up and laying some pipe. There usually is more expenses like equipment, advertising , people to man the office and insurance.

Oh no, you got me, you win the argument, a person's value isn't what they can get, you don't deserve that money for being the boss. You were right all along.
You gonna give all your workers a raise and piss away your profits?
No?
Call me a NEET all you like. Your opinion isn't even relevant to YOU.

wrong in the sense that you can't start a commodifiable buisness model without the startup capital required to produce your overhead

even with a proven buisness model this is still true and some market space in this respect is monopolized to the point that entry basically does not exist

Not him, but i despise Jeff Bezos more than the apple guy and Facebook guy.

Amazon shows me how bad the economy is. Basically he's buying and selling trash. It's like me trying to turn a profit on college books. $5 would take me more than a week. Stocks are so bad bitcoin works.

I think he's an idiot and i resent him for saturating a monopolized frozen economy even more.

Yay an economics student here to save the day!

What would you accept as proof?
Would looking up the term "push inflation" in an economics textbook be sufficient for you?

Move

user, it was a golden age...
You know the whole "make America great again" slogan?
It refers to that point in time when if you has a job you were solid and could even access education regardless of wage..

Actually it's a volatile yin and yang situation. They both affect eachother in a cycle. CompanyX decides they want more for ProductY, so they raise the price. Assuming ProductY is a staple for us and we need it bad enough, we'll basically be forced to pay the higher price, so would our landlords and the companies that provide our power. To offset those costs, the landlords will raise our rent and the power companies raise their meter charges... How do we keep up with the raise in the cost of living? We get the minimum wage raised up as an answer. Well, now CompanyX is having to pay its employees more money... so fuck it, CompanyX wants more money for ProductY.... and the cycle continues.

It is the case but not always. I want to see money flowing down here at the peasant level. Whether it be buying lesser bought things or eating out more. I view that in a favorable light and i happen to think it's wise.

My company will pay any factory drones tuition if they go to become an engineer. Must not have rite UPS and must keep grade c or higher.

Is out of the 6 sigma range. Outlying data he is.

Because the government and land lords want more money.