Why do the democrats want open borders?

Except it hasn't, but nice try at the fake news

Nice photoshop faggot. Do you work for CNN by any chance?

why do you say this every time you get called out?

Does she force herself to look like a Creatura ?

I have not made this thread until today dude. I have no idea what you are talking about.

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They don't want open borders. They want border security paired with an agenda of assimilating people who have already arrived along with a robust green card program for people who want to come to work honestly.

I'm a liberal and I don't want "open borders", but I also don't really have a problem with some asylum seekers coming here for a better life. I find it strange that conservatives had no problem letting any Cuban who could make it to shore become a citizen, but won't extend that same type of offer to people fleeing Venezuela today.

why would you lie on the internet?

they don't you retard they want to fix our broken immigration system and allow refugee status instead of just throwing people in concentration camps rather than addressing the problems that sent them here in the first place, faggot

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Because Cubans have an actual case for asylum whereas the spics who are "fleeing gangs and poverty" do not, especially when you consider the fact they CREATE the gangs and poverty

No Dem is asking for open borders. Stop being retarded.

>Address the problem that sent them here
You mean their home country needs to address why their citizens want to flee at any given chance.

Those countries are shit because of the dumb monkey spics that live there, period

life in Cuba is infinitely better than America, which had its culture destroyed and replaced with corporate chains and stripmalls, mass shootings and terrorism created by your foreign policy. The only Cubans who flee Cuba to America are rich people who don't want to contribute to their country and would rather hoard wealth

faggot

Simply put: For ideological fulfilment, big business, increasing voter base and the Zionist agenda.

>life in Cuba is infinitely better than America
Okay great, now tell your spic slaves to go there instead of crawling their monkey asses to our border and demanding gibs

there's a thing called U.S. foreign policy in South and Central America, look it up

the US just tried to overthrow a democratically elected president in Venezuela and failed miserably, luckily. America is the most evil country on the face of the Earth, followed by Saudi Arabia

We have a very strong platform for 2020

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They want no ICE and no wall and the right for every illegal to vote.
How is that not open borders?

Cuba is not equipped to handle mass immigration, America is. Retard

Everytime I see this bitches face i imagine her deepthroating a cock she looks like a whore

Those pesky laws.

Why can't they handle it, if it's such a great place to live like you say? Not enough gibs for all those monkeys I'm guessing

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Explain how it is broken. Millions immigrate each year.

because America is the richest country on Earth with a massive economy in need of a work force and plenty of space, whereas Cuba is a small impoverished island trying to survive under brutal sanctions and embargos

I agree, those spics deserve to suffer under the communist shit they voted for

Op probably isn’t serious, but to those answering seriously, you have to realize that this is like a gun control freak asking why republicans want to let anyone buy RPGs, plastic explosives, and nuclear weapons. It’s just fuckin retarded. Serious or not, why play into a conversation where the terms are set by a complete troll or ignoramus?

What is North Korea, what is China, what is somalia, what is Columbia

You don't have a valid claim to asylum just because you're country is shit. You can't just take people in because they want a better life, that's an unsustainable model.

except the reason why they're suffering isn't one particular parties fault. It's a huge combination of things that contributed to their country going to shit.

but you right wing retards wouldn't know shit about that, everything is black and white with you faggots

Didn't you just say Cuba is better than America? Now it's a "small impoverished island". You're a dumbass spic yourself aren't you?

It's also why they object to a citizenship question on the census. Democrats don't care about the US , just their beloved party.

>It's a huge combination of things that contributed to their country going to shit.
That was all brought on by communism. And the fucking niggers and spics in this country want to reproduce it because they're too fucking stupid to learn anything.

>North Korea
How many countries have they invaded? How many people have they murdered in wars (including soldiers)
>China
I don't like China but how many countries have they invaded in the past 30 years?
>Somalia
Fucking what. An African shithole with Islamic terrorists killing other Africans? Regional disputes have always existed
>Columbia
What the fuck

Free movement of labor between countries benefits all, since workers will tend to move from countries where there is a surplus to countries where there is a deficit.

Fuck you, those communist faggots deserve embargos until they want to grow up cooperate with the rest of the world.

wealth does not = better

Americans are some of the most depressed, sick, and angry people on Earth. Your culture is a dumpster fire. Your country is run by maniacs who'd gladly burn down your entire country if it meant they could rule over the ashes. Both parties are full of evil bastards who only look out for their own private interests and their own (the wealthy).

American faggot

resident crunchy granola california liberal here, and i want a hardline aggressive stance against illegal immigration. i think anyone in this country illegally should be removed, and i think we should be actively monitoring and pursuing those who enter legally and then illegally overstay, as this represents a bigger problem than illegal border crossings. if the government has X dollars to spend on american citizens, but those resources are also consumed by those who are here illegally, then the government's ability to provide for its citizens is reduced. it's very basic math and logic, and has nothing to do with race or racism. airline safety placards tell you to put on your own oxygen mask first because you must be secure before you can worry about helping others. same concept.
that said, those who are removed should be treated humanely and with decency. the channels for people to become legal citizens should remain open and should be used. once you're an american citizen, you're my compatriot, and i don't give a shit about your race, gender, orientation, or religion. this is not about discrimination; it's about respect for the law, love for the country, and a desire to see americans thrive. wanting a better life for your family has never been an excuse for breaking the law, not for americans, and certainly not for immigrants.
if that belief means i'm less of a liberal than i thought i was, then i'm perfectly ok with that. american success is more important than partisan tribalism.

How the fuck are they supposed to cooperate with the rest of the world when they're under embargo?

>North Korea the worst fucking place to ever live in human history, absolute demigod status absolute brutality murdering on a regular basis public executions starvation etc

>China horrible human rights violations don't give a fuk about any living organism human or otherwise horrible pollutants don't obeid by the same laws that the entire rest of the planet does such as copyright or parents

>Somalia the absolute definition of a fucking shit hole this place should not even have the right to exist. People are absolutely trash, thieving garbage Muslims

>Columbia murder capital of the planet

Are you fucking retarded?

Great, now tell your spic relatives to stop coming here. Nobody gives a fuck about your monkey opinion.

The United States is not the world authority, you retarded faggot. Your country is evil incarnate. I celebrate on 11/9 every year : )

End Castro Regime, get away from communism, shop having laws that force everyone into life long poverty in the name of the red

Let me guess. You believe the MSM is "fake news" but when they tell you North Koreans believe in Unicorns and get executed for not bowing properly you believe them?

Party on guy, it was an insider job anyway

I love how you didn't address a single fucking thing he said. He owned your fucking ass. Go back to fapping to nigger porn.

What a fucking tool

>laws that force everyone into poverty
>embargos and sanctions definitely don't contribute to Cubans QOL
you are truly a fucking retard. Who are you to decide how another country operates? Fucking Americans think the world needs to live how they live.

>want to decriminalize boarder crossing
>Abolish ICE
>abolish homeland security
>many left wingers out right state they want open boarders
>close down detention centers on the boarder

It's functionally open boarders. If you abolish all of the institutions that enforce the boarder, and make it legal to enter the country without due process or documentation, then it's a fucking open boarder.

The thing that's broken about the immigration system is how many fucking people are being brought in or are coming in illegally. These people aren't fucking refugees they are economic migrants coming to leech off the systems here and use American economy for their advantage.

>concentration camps

This is how I know you're a brainlet. A concentration camp is where you try and force a certain segment of the population to concentration into a single area where they are can be controlled. Detention centers at a boarder to vet people coming into the country isn't Auschwitz. You seriously just want people to come in without any process retard. You know that migrants will kidnap and purchase children to make it easier to get into the country because retards like you have their heartstrings pulled and have retarded separation policies. 1/3 of the kids being brought over are not being accompanied by their parents. There is a shit ton of human trafficing going on and the centers are there to make sure that these kids are actually with their parents.

But just gloss over all the facts, you human trafficker loving scum.

Venezuela is the most oil rich country on earth.
They have already ate all the zoo animals and now rat is the most popular protein.
Socialism at its finest.

I agree all those countries are fucking shitholes what the fuck does that have to do with anything I said? I said America is the most evil nation on Earth. They statistically have murdered more citizens and invaded more countries than any other nation on Earth. This is irrefutable. You stupid fucking retard

>Who are you to decide how another country operates?
Spics are to fucking stupid to figure it out themselves. Then they flood our border because they made their own countries shit by their fucking stupidity.

If you require American society, trade, currency, input or anything else American to crawl out of the toilet, fucking right, do what we say, otherwise do your own thing the way your want, since you "don't need us"

So basically, you're admitting Cuba needs America to be a non-shit country? Otherwise why does it matter?

Cough cough

Thank America for almost everything you have in modern Life pussy

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Dude, you stupid fucking retard. America trying to dictate how other countries operate is what contributed to those "stupid spics" coming to your fucking piece of shit country in the first place.

Under the Batista regime (which was U.S. backed) there was no health care, life spans were shorter and Cubans couldn't read. After the revolution everyone had healthcare, life spans increased, literacy increased and schools were built. Then America waged economic and political war on Cuba and sent it back to the stoneage through embargos and sanctions. Cuba relied on sugar exports to North America and when that was cut off their economy tanked

Scary thing is, that's what most Dems believed until recent. Two things changed. Orange man said it do we believe the opposite and studies came out that new immigrants sympathies with Democrats over 90%. Add the census into it and a way to get more Dem reps due to 10s of million illegals being counted and now mama Nancy tells the sheep to think different and they go baaaaa.

really? because i bet 90 percent of products americans use came from china.so much for your pro american attitude trumptard

Funny how that works, isn't it?

yeah the UK is fucking evil too. God damn you're a fucking idiot. I hate right wingers so fucking much. Literal brain dead faggots, every single one. Stalin did nothing wrong.

>Completely change your political and economic system or we will not trade with you

Yeah, that's some brilliant foreign policy there. Ignoring the fact that they aren't threatening anyone like, say, North Korea, or that the US has normal relations with other despotic nations (Saudi Arabia?), 60 years of embargo has done NOTHING to change Cuba's government or political system.

What these open border libtards never think about is. What happens when china decides to open plants in the US and bring over 100 million chinamen to work in them. India will load up 100 million of their poorest and barge them over to the US.

No, spics being stupid fucking monkeys who commit crimes is why they come here. Hence why everywhere they live in this country is a spanish speaking ghetto dump. You mind explaining to me why that is?

I'm not saying I agree with why it happened, play hard ball, and you win bad prizes.

I won't fight mine Tyson because I'll get pwnd, Cuba fought USA, got rekt

Yes it is. I love how spics blame America for all their problems but want to live here so bad. Why don't they figure it out for themselves then is my question, except I know the answer because they're fucking stupid as fuck.

I'm not a right winger you triggered faggots. That's the point, China allows Homan to get paid 1 dollar a day and to work as slaves, hundreds of million of slaves with no life quality or respect for life, GARAGE country.

Batista regime? Holy fucking stretch.

Possibility 1:
>U.S. foreign policy in south and central America, plus their drug war created a vacuum in the area and contributed to the continent going to shit and people seeking asylum in North America
Possibility 2:
>Brown people are stupid monkeys

Damn, right wingers are really fucking smart. You're definitely going to solve the worlds problems with that attitude

Humans to get paid*

Are you literally retarded dude. Honest question

jesus christ

>i bet 90 percent of products americans use came from china

Because of shitty free trade globalist retards that fucked over our industry and manufacturing. A reason why we voted for trump retard

>Why do the democrats want open borders?
Very few do, and every single 2020 Democratic candidate does *not* want open borders.

What they do want is a more humane immigration enforcement.

Personally, though, I do want nearly open borders. I think one's geographic position of birth is a stupid criterion to determine who has a right to free movement on "our" portion of the globe.

Everyone should have the equal right to be here. I realize there would be high costs, but true human freedom is worth its price.

An unpopular stance now, to be sure, but I'm confident that I stand on the right side of history.

Again, Juan, since I know you can't fucking read I'll ask it again

If those spic countries are shit because of America, why is everywhere those monkeys live in the US a spanish speaking ghetto? Very simple question.

What they want, is the border as open as possible, without the public turning on them.

and how's that worked out for you? Trump has done nothing but give more money to Israel and suck off the Saudi's. Literally nothing has changed for average Americans. The rich got tax breaks though

Too proud to admit defeat. Your political ideal is wrong, you're economy is wrong, your way if life is fundamentally flawed, it must be someone else's fault. Point your finger like an idiot, communism didn't work then, it won't work now

>why do people from Mexico speak Spanish in their neighborhoods

damn, user asking the hard hitting questions

They believe the semi-myth that Hispanic immigrants vote 80/20 Democrat. While it's true that immigrants, once they CAN vote, vote 80/20 for Dems. *BUT*, I use the word "semi-myth" because as a rule, working class and poor immigrants aren't really politically active. So, if 40% of all citizens vote, it may be as little as 10 to 20% of immigrants. They simply have other pressing problems. To get motivated to vote, they'd have to A, understand English well, and B, get at least a couple of hours indoctrination a day from CNN, MSNBC, NBC or ABC or read the New York Times or Washington Post every day. They got no time for that. So, to get the voting bump they're looking for Democrats need to import vast quantities of them. The vast quantities inexorably change our society -- Cultural Transformation. But Democrats will worry about that later. They gotta get the votes because they are losing over 30 year old whites and they know it.

I'm not defending communism. I'm saying that isolating Cuba politically and economically has not and will not accomplish anything.

Speak spanish while stealing cars and stabbing each other to death. Funny you left that part out.

>doesnt know about archive
fucking retard

Yes it makes perfect sense if you stop being such a fucking moron for 5 minutes. Your home country was bad you tried to escape it,you come to a new country that's different that's not as bad as your home country and then you act like you did in your home country.

I don't know why it's hard to ingest that, that is absolutely fucking retarded and that is exactly what 90% of them do

Sure it will. It makes sure those dumb spics suffer and learn there are consequences for being stupid.

by that same logic, white people are stupid monkeys because there are white trash ghettos riddled with meth and crime.

Fucking white trash monkeys

They vote the second they go MacArthur Park and get their fake/stolen IDs. This is widely known.

yeah I also don't understand why Mexicans who come to America speak Spanish and call themselves Mexican. It's so weird

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How come libtards like yourself never call out the countries these people come from.
How come you will not support making people that come here work to be here.(85% on on welfare)
30 something of the richest Mexicans are billionaires. Never heard one libtard call them out.

if that was the description of a gigantic portion of the entire United States and then we fled the United States and went to a new country and then started doing meth then that would be an absolutely applicable argument, but it's not so try again dumb fuck

Like Obooma gave fucking terrorist Iran a cool billion in cash

Sure, all those majority white trash cities with crime that exist huh? Fucking spic, this is why nobody feels sorry for you stupid monkey and why we don't want you here

"You get all the free shit you could ever want...as long as you keep us in power."

It's because they are being allowed to passively invade.

god, i wish this wasn't true, but as someone who lives within 2 hours of the border, it definitely is. i sometimes wonder, if they wanted to live in places where there's trash everywhere and people sleeping in public everywhere and unsupervised children running around everywhere and morons walking in the middle of the streets and shitty ranchera music blaring everywhere, why the fuck did they bother to come here?
it's wayyy easier to be a free-love liberal hippie when you don't actually live in a place full of mexicans.

triggered

>b-but Obama!
you are literally the same as liberals who cry about Trump, but with Obama instead- years after he's out of office

yeah I just don't understand why Mexicans who come to America speak Spanish and have brown skin like wtf, be American

Every election is won by how many voters the party can get to the polling place. They all know it. Dems will nominate Hispanic and use immigration to get the newly minted citizens out to vote in droves by offering lax chain migration laws.

i work with a bunch of Mexican business owners who come here in the summer to work landscaping and make a fuck ton of money. They're the hardest working people I know, 7 days a week, at least 9 hours a day. Drain installations, brick laying, retaining walls, all landscaping shit. Stupid brown monkeys

>The rich got tax breaks though
I got a tax break too faggot, a pretty fucking good one. I'm an "Average American", and that tax break helped me out a fuck ton. He's been tough on trade against china, and brought back manufacturing jobs.

Reading your posts your such a fucking retard. You chastize Americans for useing chinese products, get called out on the fact that it's retards who you align with that did that, then drop that when you see it's a loosing point and make up a nonsensical sentence.

It's like your worldview is constructed by reddit and CNN.

Exactly what I'm saying. I don't believe for one second those countries are shitty because of US policy, because everywhere they fucking live in THIS country is also shit. At some point you have to face reality, which is that spics are third world animals who don't belong here. Not all of them, granted, but enough that only the absolute best of them should be allowed to live here. A lot of them don't even love America.

Enough with the politics and post her milkers

I am a Communist, I hate CNN, I hate Democrats, I hate Obama, and I hate liberals and I hate right wingers. You're a retard

*you're
*losing

Fuck that was brutal

"Democrats" rhetorical agenda is irrelevant. We have a "republican" in office right now and record numbers of illegals are streaming into the country every day. Seems like the "Republican" rhetorical agenda doesnt mean shit either.
Practical agenda is what matters. The border is open as we speak. Period. The immigration system is broken, there is no physical barrier, and the staffing levels at the border are inadequate.
Coincidence, I'm sure, that regardless of "which party" is "in power" the perpetual gradualism towards the left side of the scale continues.
I--big govt------------------------------small govt--I
Dems, reps, socialists, communists, fascists are all on the same end.

>any country in the world that is shit, is only shit due to white peoples foreign policy, and nothing to do with their own people ineptitude at self governance.

>Why do the democrats want open borders?
At this point it's really just a religious belief for them.

Except it has. Hash check on image confirms.

Reky boi

Libtard Logic
Bernie is pushing a $15 an hour min. wage.
His own staff is quitting because they only get $11
Bernie refused to pay them more.
Bernie is a public servant that owns 3 homes and is worth $millions.

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it's both you fucking right wing retard. The world isn't black and white

I'm a Communist so I don't like Bernie Sanders

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Happened to me twice in this lol

I'm still waiting for you or someone else to explain why, if those countries are shit because of America, that everywhere spics live in the US is a crime infested dump too.

poverty = crime = dump

pretty simple. Applies across the board for all races

I live in a sanctuary City, somalis don't Amit where they are from, because they know where they are from. GARBAGE. They call themselves Kenyans

Well if we get open borders. You will have a couple 100million of your commie buddies from china moving in to the US. The next President will be Wong or Chang

>"I'm a Communist"
>calls other people retarded

Your ideology is fundamentally flawed at the most basic level and has seen nothing but failure

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>Want to decriminalise border crossing
Nope
>Abolish ICE
>abolish homeland security
Misleading. Democrats want to collapse the three branches of border security under one power structure which would prevent crossed wires and reduce wastage of resources. Every conversation about getting rid of ICE invoices talking about giving their staff and responsibilities over to CBP for consolidation, but tribalist morons like you don't want to hear the while sorry so you only take on board whatever your news source tells you to.
>many left wingers outright state
Go ahead and give me examples of this?
>Close down detention centres...
Specifically ones which have been investigated and found to have human rights violations, fun by private companies which makes government oversight weaker and accountability low.

Please learn to spell border and actually research the things you accuse people of saying rather than repeating what your news source of choice data they said.

So they create poverty and crime instead of "fleeing" it? Great, lets have open borders then

I don't blame them, I would be fucking embarrassed to be from that toilet of a country

It's hilarious and baffling there's a difference between accidents happen or people are taking advantage of you, and on the opposite and you have people like him that are just absolute fucking morons and every conceivable sense.

"I hate everybody who doesn't think like me except for everybody who has ever thought like me has been an absolute failure"

wrong

most Communists reject China. They're State Capitalist, which is OK as a transition state, but they've pretty much betrayed all promises to the working class of China.

What do you mean "nope", you fucking retarded dipshit? They literally said that in the last debate. Were you watching spongebob at the time?

>How come libtards like yourself never call out the countries these people come from.
I do. I call out their corrupt leadership all the time. Doing so, of course, does nothing to help the refugees who need immediate assistance.

>How come you will not support making people that come here work to be here.(85% on on welfare)
How would we "make" people work? Also, that 85% figure sounds dubious, but even so, understand that even people who work and pay taxes may qualify for some form of public assistance.
You can't assume that just because they do take one form of public assistance (e.g., Medicaid) that they must necessarily be a net drain on society.

>30 something of the richest Mexicans are billionaires. Never heard one libtard call them out.
How the hell is that relevant? In what universe are you living where it is logical to conclude that we shouldn't let in a Honduran refugee who is escaping gang violence because Carlos Slim is a Mexican billionaire?
Do you even have a functioning brain?

>Do you even have a functioning brain?
No, they don't. Right wingers are genuinely delusional and ignorant.

get fucked you leftie faggot

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>No, they don't. Right wingers are genuinely delusional and ignorant.
They didn't used to universally be this clueless, but the rise of Trump has caused some serious brain drain from the Right.

>It's both
Not the way you were framing it. I understand America has fucked up other countries, but you are the one who is framing things as America is this big evil bad guy that ruined all these countries and their poor conditions can be entirely pinned on American foreign policy.

Venezuela was doing fine until Oil prices dropped and their economy went to shit because they destroyed all their industry by driving out all the companies by appropriating their policy. They didn't diversify their economy or reinvest the money they made off of oil back into the economy. You can't blame American for their shit conditions in this regard, they did it to themselves with retarded socialist policies. You stupid hypocritical moron.

humans evolved from bonobos and female bonobos allow invaders in and fuck them

>Venezuela was doing fine until
You do realize when Venezuela was "doing fine" (and even got praised by Fox news) it was under Chavez, who was a Socialist

It's like they're just willfully ignorant nowadays. It's disturbing how insane they've become, like the shit they say isn't even set in reality anymore.

Right wingers are equally as crazy as left wingers, you're right.
Funny that both of them are arguing against the other side, not knowing their arguments are only detracting from their ability to actually make a difference. It's a shame.

You know why I said nope.

You want people to believe that the Dems want people to be able to cross without punishment. That is not the aim. The aim of the proposal to change unauthorised crossing from criminal to civil offence was rooted, vocally and clearly by the democrats in the debates, in their desire to reduce the human rights violations that have been found in EVERY detention center that has been investigated.

Got it.
Its Americas fault that people wont help themselves and want to leave a country rich in natural resources. Then come to the US and collect welfare. Then burn the US flag and yell La Raza.

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>wrong
Communism was literally envisioned before any sort of social reform. Marxism relies on the idea that you can fundamentally change human behavior, and that people will unite solely by class. Both of which are wrong. As much as the soviets tried to reject Darwinism (because it conflicted with Marxism) they simply could not engineer people. Reality trumped ideology.

Marx also never predicted any of the social and labor reforms we have such as anti-trust laws or minimum wage. His worldview pre-dates that and he envisioned a world where that would never happen, he was wrong.

>You want people to believe that the Dems want people to be able to cross without punishment
They do though and they said so themselves. I don't know why you refuse to accept that but it's true.

Yes, you retard. And they went to shit, because of socialism. Did you read anything or are you just being deliberately dishonest by conveniently ignoring facts.

Venezuela made all it's money off of oil. Retarded socialist policies drove away all the businesses and squandered their wealth. Any country will do will if they are top a shit ton of oil. Socialism killed Venezuela.

Bull fucking shit you retard.

They promote reform, the Right's the one throwing the fit and demanding NO MOAR.

Like the faggots they are.

I can tell you haven't read any Marx... lol.

And you vastly misunderstand Marxism today.

>people won't unite by class
Tell that to every Socialist revolution, tell that to the Appalachian miners back when they were killing themselves for pennies in the mines.

Yes to both

What do you call decriminalizing the act of cross the fucking border? Another lying liberal plebbitor who makes any excuse in the book to bring more of his slaves into this country

More immigrants hastens the white genocide.

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i'm an antifa communist and I can't wait for the mayocide

Whities gon die

>They said so
>Changing it to a different kind of offence is the same as making it not an offence at all!
Your reading comprehension is bad and you obviously didn't listen to the actual debates but rather took your opinion from your news source of choice.

I mean a majority of it is. Typically when nations (like America) fund a fascist coup against an independant nation (typically a developing non-white post-colonial nation with abundant resources) that builds its legitimacy with right wing death squads and crimes against. The fascist leader gives them large amojnts of cheap goods and materials in exhange for power (this is where developed nations literally steal wealth and resources from developing nations and non-'whites'). Eventually that leader gets deposed by the people, and the developed nations either leave the nation cold turkey with no reparations for having a hand in committing crimes agaisnt humanity or destroying their infrastructure (like Congo, Chile, Nicaragua, Panama etc.) or embarago and sanction to try to make the citizens suffer for not letting developing nations steal their resources and trying to be independant nations in the global community (see Cuba, Venezuela, South Africa, Algeria, Libya etc.)

A good analogy would be if someone broke into your house, stole any valuables, beat you up, burned your house down, and just refused to help you with either your medical bills or rebuilding your home and then blaming you for being homeless and that you shouldnt be asking them for help or somewhere with a roof over their heads.

Whites left Kenya too. Sure was beneficial to the remaining folks.

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Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare, and legal immigrants are statistically no more likely to collect benefits than US citizens

Up until the 1930s the process of obtaining citizenship took days. Then the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed, followed by racial quotas which were eventually struck down to enforce a green card lottery system. Also if you don't have a college degree or American relative, you can't become a citizen period

So now the legal immigration system takes decades for no economic reason other than nativism. Background checks take a month and literally no democrat is proposing that immigrants shouldn't be screened. Unsurprisingly, people who feel their lives are on the line continue to cross undeterred because being in a jail cell is still safer than remaining in other countries. Great plan

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Yes, those countries are shit because of the USA. Now please explain to me why everywhere your slaves live in this country is just like their shit countries, a crime infested spanish speaking dump. Why is that?

Buddy socialism has never occurred. Ever. I say the same to you as I say to the fags claiming socialism has never 'worked' in bait threads: It has never been ATTEMPTED.

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Working off the books, stealing an identity, or committing fraud are still crimes. Breathing on the wrong public soil isn't

Please bring your purple haired soy ass to South Carolina.
I have chunks of punks like you in my stool kid!!!

Because they hate America and want it to be destroyed

We have laws in this country and you should tell your slaves to follow them

>Its Americas fault that people wont help themselves and want to leave a country rich in natural resources.
>wont [sic] help themselves
There's only so much one can do to help oneself if one is born into poverty in a corrupt country and is targeted by gangs.

>Its [sic] America's fault
Um, no, blame falls mostly on the corrupt leadership of these countries, but how we assign blame is irrelevant.
These refugees are facing dire circumstances and need assistance. We are capable of providing assistance, so I say that gives us an ethical obligation to do so.

>Then come to the US and collect welfare
Many may need some assistance, but nearly all admitted refugees work and pay taxes.

>Then burn the US flag and yell La Raza.
Um, ok.

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>Didn't actually pay attention to the debates and tries to ignore or attempts to explain to him what was said.
They want civil offence to limit the opportunities for human rights violations that are not just extant but prevalent in current immigration enforcement. Not 'LOL IS KAY YOU CAN JUS COME ON IN BRUH' like you seem to think they argued for in the debates you didn't fucking listen to.

holy fuck you're retarded

Yes. Hence why they've lost the middle class & working poor votes as they try to collapse the system by flooding it with illegals who they want to provide free healthcare & free housing while we already have 22 trillion in debt, a housing shortage & hundreds of thousands of Americans homeless. The Democrats have gone insane. Trump winning broke them.

>targeted by gangs
You mean other gang members or their trash family members?

To appease their corporate overlords. Cheap labour and more consumers. It's inherently a right wing economic theory under the guise of left wing progressivism. They don't do it to be "nice" they do it to create more mindless wage slaves to consume their next product.

Because we like to share, because the girls grow into hot women with big asses, because voters for the good guys

funny thing is most right wingers on the chan are literal soy boys. Ever seen a /pol/ meetup pic? I'm unironically pretty big and a /fit/fag would love to stomp you faggots out

This is unironically what shilling looks like. Call me whatever you want but when later tonight/tomorrow/day after this shit gets posted you'll understand.

>Holy fuck you're correct and I have no rebuttal
I know faggot.

South Africa
Was the richest country in Africa
Kicked out the mean white people
Now they cant feed themselves or keep the power on.

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Nobody wants “open borders.”

Secure, well monitored borders should be a nonpartisan, logical system that isn’t politicized. Immigrants should be allowed to enter legally, and there should be a humane legal process.

what did she mean by this?

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You like to stir the sperg pot? I understood that the first time you posted it 1738 times ago

>I can tell you haven't read any Marx... lol.
Cringe. This was commies always do. Whenever someone criticisms communism they just tell you you don't understand it.

I have read marx, I've also read about the soviet union and other major communist/socialist countries. Literally the soviet union rejected Darwinism because it conflicted with marxism, which it does. Marx states and infers that human nature is entirely constructed by social relations, which is entirely false.

>Tell that to every Socialist revolution, tell that to the Appalachian miners back when they were killing themselves for pennies in the mines.

Socialist uprisings were never "unified working class rising up against the ebil rich" it was always orchestrated by people from multiple classes. Commies like antifa are an example of why this shit doesn't work because you yourselves don't unite based on class. You constantly mock poor white working class people and rural people, often even use violence to suppress them. Poor whites and poor blacks don't get along. You think that just because two people are poor they are automatically friends or on the same side. Cultural, religious, ethnic, and ideological differences always takes place over class. Humans are tirbalistic by nature, and you are just trying to get them to view "poor people" as their tribe and "rich people" as enemy tribe. But people don't put that as a priority, and no amount of social indoctrination will change that, you yourself and your disgust of right wingers and Americans is proof of that.

>Immigrants should be allowed to enter legally
They are, dumbass. It's just a bunch of low life spics that refuse to follow the process.

Except if we're going to blame countries for their historical actions then I'd love to blame west africa for the slave trade, fucking niggers.
And fuck you too, panty waste soy boi, go fuck your own fupa you little cry baby.
>Wah! Wah! Successful countries did bad things in the past!
I bet you get mad that assholes get laid too, back to /rincel with you.

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>Missed basically every Dem 2020 Presidential candidate saying they want to basically have an open border in the debates.

I'd rather have no borders.
At all.
Anywhere.

The lower classes are coming for you.

I'd rather not have Ghetto Earth.

because after 50+ years african Americans are wising up to the DEM bullshit, now the DNC needs a whole new class of voters they can lie to and exploit

>Everyone on Yea Forums is the same poster
Did you get good grades this year? I hope so, because it certainly isn't showing.

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Wow was funny in 2005, everyone is the same. Everyone is a fag. Women don't exist, fuck off.

Because of the fact that more often than not, the people who have to come here to survive did not have the extended resources or time tk be able to learn english, so they only know their foreign language in the same way farmers from Montana or miners from West Virginia don't know Spanish.

They also typically come here with very few resources and sometimes even just the clothes on their back. So they have no money to afford anything other than the cheapest housing while they get their bearings together, and with no skills and no programs in place to help them learn skills as well as a lack of any sort of system that will keep them and their children from starving long enough to learn skills on their own. This is doubly so if they are illegal because they can't go to any government facilities or programs to learn for fear that they will be found and deported (in fact, if you're illegal or on a green card it is impossoble or almost impossible to even get a library card much less something like a drivers license or online skill training classes or enroll in actual classes). Thus they are stuck being forced to work in Mcdonalds or Walmart with non-living wages that prevent them from doing anything other than living paycheck to paycheck and dollar to dollar whe still being trapped in perpetual poverty and debt to survive.
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Since when did be american mean be white. Hes saying that why would you claim asylum from Mexico, but come to america and fly a mexican flag? That's the issues they are just bringing their shit tier culture with them and making "little mexico" ghettos in cities.

The "process" takes 5-20 years and costs thousands of dollars in filing fees, and doesn't even exist if you don't have an American relative or college degree. See the "laziness" here:

>Breathing on the wrong public soil isn't
Not only are you wrong, I like how you faggots like to try and refrain crime to make it sound as harmless as possible. You could make anything sound innocuous with retarded word play.
>Simply existing in someone elses home without their current acknowledge
>Using goods without immediate compensation
>Voluntary exchange between two consenting individuals.

Entering another country without proper process and documentation is illegal rightfully so. You honeslty think that it's okay to let in unlimited numbers of people without any background checks or processing.

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And if you knew the economics of crime, you would see the statistical evidence that the only statistic that crime is 100 percent correlated to is income. Therefore because the system is completely tilted against them, it leaves them stuck in poverty, which statistically leads to more crime. So therefore, to reduce crime, our number one objective would be to reduce poverty which can be done by having widely marketed government programs for skills training or teaching english to immagrants.

TLDR: It is because of a lack of programs to help those trying to escape poverty that causes them to fall into Americas cycle of poverty which causes them to be more likely to engage in criminal behaviour (although, funnily enough, immagrants actually engage in less criminal behaviour than the average low income American)

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Illegals tend to settle in urban democratic strongholds, and if you don't put the citizenship question on the census, then they get counted toward the electoral college tallies in said democrat strongholds. That, and cheap ignorant labor, are the literal only two reasons Dems pretend to give a fuck about illegals. Or was that a rhetorical question?

>and doesn't even exist if you don't have an American relative or college degree
You are such a fucking stupid fuck

Republican president that's getting stonewalled at every turn by a geriatric Senate and Congress. Just look at literally any media, trumps getting sandbagged at every turn by bleeding heart "morality police".

Im 6'4
I played college sports. You have no fucking clue about shit. The weakest dudes here would mop the floor with your fat ass. People here would not let you antifa fags block our streets. We would wipe you out before the cops could even show up.

That's weird, my neighborhood is filled with American and Irish flags, but no one questions their patriotism

How many decades was little Italy an organized crime-ridden ghetto?

I dont get this one, these are not mutually exclusive.

Where exactly are you talking about you fucking retarded spic?

Got em.

But it isn't. Breathing on public soil without documentation doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights unless they are being physically obstructive, and that doesn't really apply if you've found someone willing to rent their place to you.

It's all the other things that you associate with illegal immigration that are crimes (fraud, identity theft, tax delinquency)

0/8 baits gone stale m8.

this is correct

Why is it that white Americans can fly the flags of their European grandparents on their porches without anyone questioning their loyalty?

Why do dumb beaners like you hate this country and refuse to learn English?

MS-13 was just cutting out MFers fucking hearts
Old Italian Mafia doesnt come close. The black gangs are even scared of the mex. gangs.
Plus the Irish dont burn the American flag they are proud of both

I've never seen this done.

The big issue here is that due to 'kicking the white man out' (by which I assume you mean ending apartheid). Nations started to refuse trading in good faith with them as well as try to actively mess up their economy. If you mix this with that they made the mistake that many nations have made with electing a corrupt leader (President Taft and the tea pot dome scandal from the 1920s is a big non-contraversial one that comes to mind) that ruined their economy. However, a large part of the lead up and why it was so bad was because of a lack of good faith trade with them from developed nations because they in your words "kicked the white man out" by ending segregation/apartheid

Again you fucking spic where does this happen? Please be specific

>Supporting anarchocommunism

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And We learned little Italy was a fucking bad idea. Just because someone else did it doesnt mean we should continue bad ideas. And the Irish flags in your community are probably not from "refugees" fleeing an oppressive Ireland. You fucking retard.

And yet, amazingly, everywhere they move too turns into a crime infested ghetto. Is that because of lack of trade too?

Because they are entering our country legally, and are documented with contributing taxes. They also are not complaining about their original country. Claiming political asylum. It's like your being retarded on purpose.

because hurr durr white privilege
:)

Look up black mobs killing whites in there church and homes. Dont play dumb like that shit isnt the cause of the country turning to corrupt shitplie.
I have friends who were ran out of S. Africa.

Open your heart, friend. Leave the partisan nonsense behind. It's a sham. You have to feel that it is, right? Deep down, you can feel it? Partisanship is a distraction. Like grown men watching a football game.

Smelly Hippie quads.

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A journalist traveled to Ilhan Omar’s homeland of Somalia to challenge stereotypes and prove the country was “beautiful,” only to end up being killed by terrorists

They said she was going to show how wrong Trump is. Well, she dead

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Same thing happened with those two girls from Denmark. They ended up getting raped and beheaded.

The nerve of some countries. Passing laws and regulations on who can become a citizen.

Years off this was way before trump and conservites have been misrepresenting the motivation and message of the whole thing for years as well. Takes ten seconds of fucking googling

>drmpf xd

And what is your point? That those countries aren't shit because of the monkeys living there?

I'm a leftist. Honestly believe if you want to live in this shitty country you should be able to. It's a free country. Why the fuck should I give a shit if you want to die here?

The world is black and white. There is true and there is false. You can give whatever mental gymnastics reasoning you want to cope but it's still false.

Because who fucking cares?

idk what fucking country you live in, illegals with kids get on the emergency benefits pretty much without any resistance.

They blame the other team for everything do no one notices that they don't do a damn thing for us. Even when they get control of all three branches, little gets done. Meanwhile debt goes up and up. The point fingers. They get rich. They help others get rich who then donate money back for re election and we cheer our team on. And they have everyone convinced that a vote for third party candidate is a wasted vote. 1984 is here, it's just more subtle.

>the left cant meme
>posting local-newspaper tier political cartoons

>The only Cubans who flee Cuba to America are rich people who don't want to contribute to their country and would rather hoard wealth

*blocks your path*

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>posting a ben garrison comic

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Actually thats due to a lack of social programs. Because if you look at the statistics, the only thing that correlates with violent and gang related crime is poverty. And they are kept in this cycle kf poverty because they likely came here with little to no resources because they were likely substinence farmers or working for $.05 an hour. With their lack of respurces they were likey never taught English or learnt English at all which already makes it difficult to obtain a job, they also likey do not have enough money for a phone or email (which is often required now by most plzces to get a job) nor do they have the ability or liley respurces to gk to their library and get a library card (as that typically requires a social security number which illegal immagrants do not have). Thus in kost cases the only jobs they can actually get through no fault of their own is 7.50 an hour working at mcdonalds. Which is not enough to live on so they are constantly living in debt and dollar to dollar. And if you look at statistics, that is the most at risk demographic for violent and gang related crimes. It is a problem that could be solved by the government with 3 or 4 laws passed regarding eradicating skills training, minimum wage, rent control, as well as artifical scarcity of food and I guarantee gangs would dissapate overnight and you would see those areas become much more prosperous

TLDR: Its the economy idiot. More so that the current economy is completely stacked against immagrants in terms of even obtaining a job or the skills to get a job

>Why do the democrats want open borders?
Liberals don't want open borders.
That's a myth spread by the Eternal Liar, otherwise known as Führer Cheetolini.

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Not the one dumb cunt in the pic.
Its a brand new Libcunt Somali
So go fuck yourself there is one of these every week

Moron . Wage, cost and rent control sounds like communism. Cause we all know there was no crime in Soviet Union.

Illegally enter country.... No fault of there own.....

here she is

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Eradicating skills training?????

Why do republicans want to kill all non-whites and enslave the poor whites?

There are just so many idiots that hate America but the moment they travel to a peaceful shithole country. They are beaten and raped

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Damn bro, no wonder her brother married her. Probably only way she'd give up the pussy.

>Why do the democrats want open borders?
I've never heard a democrat politician say "we want open borders". You are arguing against a thing that does not exist, except in your own victimized head.

Still better than blacks

They dont ... next question

Sorry, that must have been a typo. What I meant was to be encouraging and broadcasting skills training. Because it doesn't matter if they exist if they're hidden under beaurocracy. It needs tk be widely broadcasted that it is avaliable to low skill immigrants

Why do neets obsess aoc so hard?

please stop falling for these Russian troll threads designed to divide America, over and over every day.

Many of times they have no choice. Not to mention that under current immagration standards unless you have an advanced degree, getting an advanced degree, are incredibly wealthy, have family here, or a company is guaranteeing you, you will not be allowed in. Not to mention there is the 50-100 dollar background check that many of these people do not make in a year, much less can spend money on just to get rejected. The current US immigration system is fucked and these people are suffering.

>Anarchocommunism
You mean communism. Inventing words to imply there are multiple forms of communism is pretty dumb.

Rent control isnt communism. Communism would be abolishing private housing and making it all free. Wage control is also not communism, that would be if the government owned all business and decided what was going to be produced and how much. Neither of these are much further left than liberalism. Requiring businesses to not just dump excess goods is also not communism as the government is not controlling the means of producing or selling it. In fact it would actually be helping the market become more efficient in terms of food production and prices.

I'll still take it over Why can't atheists define atheism.

So if my child was hungry I can illegally enter your house and take what I need? Maybe you don't care, probably Russian bot anyway, that our country is in debt and people like you want to bring in the world's poor for us to take care of. I would rather we take care of citizens, legal immigrants included, first.

>How many countries have they invaded? How many people have they murdered in wars (including soldiers)
It is not a badge of honor to not invade countries that need invaded, nor to not kill people who need killing.

They can't successfully immigrate to Europe. They have to claim they're going to Canada, then they hope they got an immigration pass to go to that continent. Can't pass go, pay 200$ anyone that doesn't have 200$ is someone they hold in contempt.

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> America is so great they even make jobs in other countries to boost their economies.

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Control rent. Wonder why no one wants to build apartment complexes just so they can not make money. Control wages. Wonder why companies can't afford to hire as many people. Dumping excess goods?? Not sure what that gas to do with it. More goods equals lower prices in capitolist economy. Is that not good?

>Wage control is also not communism, that would be if the government owned all business and decided what was going to be produced and how much.
That would be Statism. Communism would be the community as a whole owning the means of production.
>Neither of these are much further left than liberalism.
The American 'left' is center right. Communism would be far far left and far, far south (anti-authoritarian).
>Requiring businesses to not just dump excess goods is also not communism as the government is not controlling the means of producing or selling it. In fact it would actually be helping the market become more efficient in terms of food production and prices.
And government controlling the means of production would not be Communism either.

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can god define atheism?

Obama = Choco Mbogo

>Unsurprisingly, people who feel their lives are on the line continue to cross undeterred because being in a jail cell is still safer than remaining in other countries. Great plan
You make a good point. We should start shooting them instead of giving them free room and board. Then they can go back on their own.

btt

They don't. That's a pathetic piece of lying propaganda from the far right.

No how about a real question: How the FUCK can so many of you still support, follow and idolize a literal retard with the speaking vocabulary of a second grader with a recent head injury?

They are not mutually exclusive things though. We can care for our citizens and those who need help. In fact programs that help teach unedicated workers skills, free state college, Medicare for all, rent control, minimum wage, and preventing companies from just throwing out unspoiled food, tax breaks for people living in rural communites/communities under average population density, and improving publc transportation are all things that could be put into effect even just a year or less before we start talking about illegal immigration.

You. Go into the ocean.

He's posting from a script. It's a shill, and a very low-rung one at that.

Have you paid any attention to what your party vanguard have been screeching about?

Pavel Morozov is alive and well...
Stooge.

True fact: Trump is so racist and fucktarded he personally invited this jackass to the White House.

Also true fact: when they learned how anti-Semitic his extremely retarded, racist and insane pieces of "art" are, he was actually BANNED from the White House altogether (much to Trump's chagrin).

You mean "ending the TrumpConcentrationCamps"?

That has nothing to do with "open borders", retard.

How do we pay for all this?

>only white countries can handle mass immigration

End corporate welfare, tax churches, instill HEAVY tax penalties on any and all corporations that engage in unnecessary outsourcing.

Done. Next question?

Do prisons are now concentration camps?

Any country capable of producing gatling guns can handle mass immigration.

>robust green card program

What do you mean by this? My wife is a green card holder, and the system works as advertised.

Wouldn't it be something if this were true?

>control rent
Rent control typically just affects already built residences, meaming you cant jack up someones rent, its not meaning that we put in a rent ceiling. I could still charge a new tenant 1,100 a month for a studio, but someone who has been in my complex paying 800 a month cant be expected to have their rent jump up to 1,100 too

>wage control
Theoretically this is true, however companies in general are already skeleton crewing many places (it has been years since I have seen more than 3 people working at a time at any mcdonalds ive been too unless its in a super high density area), so they can't cut down and squeeze profits anymore. So they could either accept a smaller profit margin or close up shop and lose all future profits. In most cases they will choose to just keep the skeleton crew they already have.

>forcing stores to keep goods
This has to do with it because stores like Walmart buy items in bulk, so when they buy say 50 watermelons and only sell 30. Rather than try to sell the 20 at discount they typically just throw them away and buy 50 more and make consumers pay at their full price. It is a method by which companies artifically controling supply to keep the prices of their items up when there is actually a large supply that is just being wasted. Therefore making them keep selling unspoiled goods would force the prices to deflate to their natural market level at a lower price than before this would be introduced.

>inadequate supply
>over capacity by several times
>no clearly established laws for how to confront them
>the ones who fill them are untrained, profiling racist retards
>concentrating on collecting one specific race
>separating families
>facilitating light torture
>"losing" occupants

Yeah, NOTHING like concentration camps.

Illegal aliens working on false documents are criminals and should be deported as 'PNG' when caught.
People knowingly employing Illegal Aliens are criminals and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Actually enforcing the laws already on the books will work wonders on the border problem.

Get new b8 faggot
Sage

Not enough. Will cause companies to flee. The rich will flee. Good luck enforcing "excessive outsourcing". Then taxes shrink, debt goes up....we Greece now. I grew up around poverty. It is too easy to not work and have uncle sucka pay your bills. You want to give away a lot. I've got a real good job from working hard but there comes a point I'll quit and let uncle sucka pay my bills rather then pay crazy high taxes do some blue haired lib retard can get free ride women's study degree.

Yes it has comrade

Boot out the tyrants, settle the debts from property theft, and stop supporting terrorists and criminals, and just watch how fast things get better...

Holy shit would you just LOOK at all those logical fallacies! Were you actually trying to make a valid point in that?

I know people who just never got around to getting their citizenship cause it was easy not to. They cracked down and they did. Had to fill out paperwork and travel back to Mexico but it worked.

Have fun, we believe in free speech over here in 'Mordor'...

More like 'we pretend to'.

Care to address any of his points?

You have no idea how businesses work. They raised min wage here and now McDonald's have self serve kiosks. All grocery stores have scan it yourself idles now. Btw if you care about employment don't ever use these . They use them do they can hire less people. And stores will get rid of food when it expires. If no one buys non perishable foods they don't throw it away dumbass. They price food based on what they pay for it. They could care less and in fact would rather it was low. You're also talking about the rent control they use in ny , not too many immigrants benefit from that, just old ladies.

Basically there are several things we do
1.) Work to end things like Virgin Island tax loopholes. An example of these loopholes is that Ireland is the actual legal headquarters of Apple because of their non existant corporate tax rate. So by making the standards of taxation morw stringent then we can force companies that are de facto based in America pay American tax rates despite de jurely being in a different country

2.) Add a tax on the buying and selling of stocks in a similar way that we have a sales tax. In that when you sell your shares of stock you would have to pay some sort of tax rate on it. So lets say I sold 300 shares worth of wtock valued at 200 dollars. If we had a 10% tax on it then I would make 540,000 dollars rsther than 600,000.

3.) Cut back on military contracts and have less bases in foreign nations that cost money. As well as just general military cutbacks by maybe 25-40 percent as at the current moment we have no need to have so many men all over the world

4.) Reintroduce an inheritance tax on inheritances valued at One Million

5) Engage in fair trade taxation for corporations that choose to engage in manufacturing in developing nations to pay people for less than a dollar an hour

These four premises would finance most if not all of what I put out as doing, if we even taxed Amazon at 5%of its profits we would be making billions of dollars. Hell, Amazon, Facebook, and Google actually paying their fair share of taxes would probably pay for all of these by themselves.

Homan*

sounds like a horrible existence, like, why didn't they stay where they came from?

They aren't all asylum seekers running from cartels or whatever

AFAIC you can run your own country any fucked up horrible way you like, though I will tend to call you out when you're being notably evil about it.
When you want to interact and/interfere with other countries I'll take a closer interest, major trading partners falling into tyranny generally has a poor effect on trade.

That and make it a felony not to show up for your immigration hearing ,90% do not show up. Make it a felony for illegal non citizens or any minors in their care from receiving any government aid. If they vote , they're out. If they commit crimes, they're out. If they use false information to obtain a job, they're out. Illegal immigration would dry up in a few months.

Holy shit look at your counter argument, oh wait, you have none. Gotta go Boris it's been fun but dinner is ready. Say hi to Putin for me.

>Irrefutable
Only at the Party indoctrination sessions Comrade.

Turn off the Fox, Rush and Breitbart. They've turned you into a raving, drooling retard.

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Nice fragile masculinity you've got there, omegafag.