Daily reminder: socialism has never once succeeded in any country in the history of mankind. Not once

it's not really greed, it's more like running out of other people money

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>human beings are greedy and this system is based in idealism and not reality

i said this when i was SEVEN FUCKING YEARS OLD and my faggot cunt brother told me i was wrong before arguing himself into a whole where he realized i was right. FUCK that faggot fucking nigger i think about that shit all day well now i make more than you BITCH

because america seems to always try to overthrow them

Fucking this

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Bot post. Sage in all fields.

Daily reminder, confusing social programs like roads, military, and basic health care with state-owning everything is a fallacy called "false equivalency". It's a sure sign the person doesn't have a valid argument to make.

You being this angry about a conversation that happened when you were 7 would be disturbing if it were in any way believable that the conversation ever happened.

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Oh great, more threads about grade school understanding of "socialism" and conflating it with Soviet era communism and Nordic capitalism

The progressive movement in America is modelled after Nordic government, which is working. The only reason it's called "socialism" is because Republican politicians are fantastic at turning liberal policy into a slur and calling liberals "commies" is outdated. "Socialism" in American politics isnt true socialism and people who argue against liberal policies on the basis of it being "socialism" and "everyone knows socialism doesnt work" have no idea what socialism actually is or what American progressives actually want and what has actually worked in other countries, just what politicians tell them.

Even so, you know where socialism worked the best? America. Because when companies were using child labor and making people work 100 hour work weeks and there was an actual threat of workers getting together and pushing for a socialist system, a compromise was made where every American got a 40 hour work week, a minimum wage, and workers protection laws. As soon as communism failed, we started rolling back regulations that protected workers and now we're going back to rich people working people like slaves, paying politicians off to tell you "socialism doesnt work" while you get shit on by the people who put those words in their (and your) mouth. But yeah, keep protecting guys making 1000 times more than you're making, I'm sure you'll get yours too.

Imagine being so intellectually stunted you cannot tell the difference between tax funded projects and socialism as a government.

It is almost impossible to be this mentally underdeveloped and type sentences but you managed. Congratulations.

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Universal healthcare is socialist and would ruin the private sector of the heath insurance industry. Sorry not everyone gets grade A heathcare, that’s just how it works

Tl;dr
Brevity, faggot. Look it up.

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>Moving the goal posts already.
>Not knowing a fallacy doesn't necessarily negate the argument.

Try getting used to reading more than two sentences at a time you troglodyte

SO RUIN IT.

cars ruined the horse and buggy industry, doesn't mean horse and buggy was the way to go. the entire health insurance industry is cancer, burn it to the ground.

Merika
>First ever labor strike
>Rich communist and socialist movements crushed brutally by the military and police
>history rewritten in textbooks, such as erasing Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s explicit denuncuation of capitalism and embrace of socialism
>Maybe that's why the FBI tried to blackmail/murder him
>Now, he's used in commercials to sell trucks

Uh oh the long winded, self obsessed faggot is mad look out

>has never once succeeded
Almost every country but the US has socialized health care and it works way better than our dumb system.

inb4
>It's the wrong KIND of socialism

Wasted quads. Kys

like Yea Forums needs a daily reminder that you're a faggot.

>actual liberal logic, folks

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Thats... exactly what they said

>seething

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Oh look a tired, easily debunked argument. It says a lot about you that in the years universal healthcare has been a contentious topic of policy you haven't spent 4 minutes looking up how other countries' healthcare systems compare with ours.

You're going to insist you have, and probably call me a triggered faggot or libtard, but if you genuinely believe your argument in 2019, with all the information out there, then you clearly haven't researched shit.

Tl;DR: If read more you won't sound so stupid to those of us who do.

Yeah sorry, but no. The heathcare Industry provides a huge boost to our economy. Do you realize when you make something available to everyone for free the quality nosedives? I’ve lived in Canada for almost 10 years. I would go with the American system all day every day. Also saying a multi-billion dollar industry needs to be burnt to the ground with no realistic plan to replace that money... yeah you should sit this one out and let the grown ups make the decisions about our country

Visit the scandinavian countries - then come back.

define socialism, communism, and human nature and how the former two are theories that are not compatible with human nature. i want 1800 words with proper citations. you can post to a google docs page and share it.

da fuq you mean wasted?

Either defend your point or shut up you boring troll

>does not excuse blatant faggotry

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You out here shilling for capitalism, you *are* the liberal, faggot

Comparing our healthcare industry to much smaller and less diverse populations in Europe isn’t an argument. Their systems cannot work for the US. The US is the number one developer of new drugs throughout the world. When you socialize the medical industry you can kiss that goodbye

Yeah all you read is fake bullshit. Read some opinions that aren’t force fed to you

WTF does "diversity" have to do with shit? The US puts out a higher per capita GDP than most of them.

Yeah the quality of American healthcare is rated amongst the worst of developed countries and is also some of the most expensive, because it's profit driven and pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and medical equipment manufacturers can upcharge the fuck out of customers because they offer a product that they cant choose not to buy. American healthcare is only amazing if you can afford the best. Standard American healthcare is shit.

Yeah I actually have and their system cannot work in the US. Stop trying to make the US like every other country in the world. If you don’t like it... leave

>Instead read opinions that are sold to you by right wing billionaires

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The nationalist variety got close, and was the only one to make something of nothing and not the other way around, but the communists, the globalists and the dictation of a lame, cousin-fucking cripple from america all had to unite against it because they were convinced that only -their- brand would work.

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>Yeah I actually have and their system cannot work in the US.
Well that bracing level of detail has really convinced me. A+ Argument at PragerU

>A huge boost to our economy.

Holy shit. Americans pay more for shittier healthcare than any other 1st world country.

>24th in Infant mortality.
>30th in life expectancy.
>Not in the top 5 for surviving any kind of cancer.

>seething

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Are you just pretending to be retarded? You better not be....

Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and China beg to disagree with you. The whole capitalism versus communism debate is cringe anyway
>take codeine or ibuprofen
>tweak an atom or two because our patent is about to expire
Wow!
He's saying America can't do socialized healthcare because niggers will fuck it up and because of potential health tourism from Mexico. Which is- not wrong, it would generate problems, but those are problems that need to be solved anyway, healthcare or no healthcare

This argument lacks imagination.

Literally no one is saying straight lift the system from say, Iceland, and implement it here. They can be adapted to work here.

Quite easily by doing something as establishing minimum criteria for funding, then handing the funds to states to manage their own universal systems.

As for the development: no you dont. The US gov't has far more buying power than any individual. Drug companies will continue to make money hand over fist.

Just because the US has a larger economy doesn’t mean their system is viable for the US. And yes diversity does play a role. When almost everyone in your country is basically the same race with similar eating habits and lifestyles it’s easier to account for what their medical needs will be. The US has such a wide variety of people that some groups will need to use the free healthcare far more than others. How is that fair for those who are paying the high taxes for other people’s healthcare when they don’t ever need or use it.

Yeah, in China.

There are plenty of countries where socialism works fine. Norway, Greenland, Iceland to name a few. Socialist health care working for decades in Canada and Cuba.

Yeah that’s true, but you simply can’t spread quality healthcare to everyone in a country with 300+ million people in it. Especially when there are states like California who campaign for extending healthcare to undocumented illegal aliens

>The US has such a wide variety of people that some groups will need to use the free healthcare far more than others. How is that fair for those who are paying the high taxes for other people’s healthcare when they don’t ever need or use it.
LOL yeah niggers eat KFC grease and wypipo eat McDonald's lard. You have no argument at all.

This is easy:

>Federal gov't assigns criteria for funding of a universal system.
>States manage their own systems and if they want any of that sweet federal govt money then their programs have to meet the criteria.

Universal Healthcare systems are now easily adapted to fit the regional needs of all 50 states.

>How is that fair for those who are paying the high taxes for other people’s healthcare when they don’t ever need or use it.
Well I don't have much property to defend, but I still pay for trillion dollar oil wars to protect energy company assets in the Middle East, so basically you're full of shit.

Daily reminder: capitalism has never once succeeded in any country in the history of mankind. Not once.

Why is that?

>only right wing billionaires manipulate facts
The actual liberal mind is a paranoid and delusional fucking thing

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That's only happening bc legal CA residents are already paying those costs thru higher healthcare costs. By throwing the buying power of the world's 5th largest economy at the problem they'll save CA taxpayers money in the long run.

A national universal system would have the same result: we would all spend less money on healthcare, and everyone would have it.

Oh go fuck yourself with your false comparisons. Go back to watching your vice documentaries

I can't wait until all the boomers are dead so zoomers can get to fighting over whether woke capitalism or fascism are the way to go

I'm so fucking tired of hearing about how socialism is bad and evil because fucking old faggots are still hung up on the goddamn Cold War and Reagan

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Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any system in the world. Eat shit

they also erased that MLK watched his friend rape a girl and laughed about it
they also erased that MLK was a serial adulterer and FBI's blackmail was valid
they also erased that MLK didn't write his own speeches, but a jew did
they also fail to mention (though don't explicitly erase) that he played mind tricks by speaking in threes and invoking language of the Gettysburg Address with generic shoutouts of regions.
They obfuscated Malcom X because X wanted to build his own thing
They obfuscate that MLK is a core reason the american negro is slave to the welfare check and his culture is broken.

I mean I don't totally disagree with you but we pay for those wars to ensure Israel continues to exist, mostly
Shut the fuck up, boomer

Yeah and why are so many wealthy Californians leaving the state to move to parts of the country with lower taxes? All this shit is well intended, but when faced with the realities people don’t want to pay for other people’s healthcare. Get over it

Says the country that that compete against China, bc China socializes startup and development costs of its businesses, materials, machinery, production, labor, shipping, upstream and downstream costs. But don’t call it socialism bc then you ideological fucktards would have to admit socialists showed up to your capitalism game and mopped the fucking floor with your asses in no time, and that’s coming from millennia of all their population being rural as fuck.

Yeah Venezuela is comfy right now

>I mean I don't totally disagree with you but we pay for those wars to ensure Israel continues to exist, mostly
Well that is disagreement so fuck you. No, we were shilling for the Saudis before Israel existed. Read some 20th century history. Not saying we don't fight for Israel, but our involvement long predates the Jewish state.

Go head and shit on the system that’s given you a better life than the generations before you. Ungrateful little shit

>socialism has never once succeeded
Socialism works fine in the United States and it works even better in all other 1st world countries. It's called a mixed economy, you may want to get some help if your dementia has you stuck in 1915.

>False comparison
Literally how government works, asshole. I don't need everything the government does. Also, this is how private health insurance works, you autistic brat

Thats a myth. We're already spending more per capita than countries with universal/single payer healthcare. Our system is more expensive that those countries. We're the richest country on the planet. We paid for a program that landed men on the moon with computers thousands of times less powerful than your smartphone 50 years ago. We pay more for defense than the next 10 countries combined. How the fuck can we not pay for affordable universal healthcare?

>this faggot thinks the us is socialist
>trump the socialist leader kek

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China is extremely cronyist and if you think that "works" consider that if they had liberal economic policies they would have the biggest economy already 3x over.

it does, user

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Venezuela is under sanctions because the Yankees picked a rando and decided he was Presidente.

Actual retard

Sorry no one wants your higher taxes for even shittier healthcare

Read a book. Seriously.

kek yeah that quote, real clever if you don’t know who said it and how she and her elite wealthy class couldn’t compete against the socialist Asians, shut down the shipyards, knocked her own countries people out of skilled work, put them all in chip shops and on the street, and buttfucked her country into poverty immediately afterward. Yeah, her capitalists didn’t run out of other peoples money... lol

Well, you've got an unlinked image macro, surely nobody can argue with that.

Spoken like a child who has never paid a health insurance premium

It’s because we spend so much and all that other shit. Stop trying to implement shit from other countries in the US. Gun control is possible in those other countries as well, but that’s also an issue that the US simply cannot do like other countries

Then it doesn’t work for shit. Sorry, you lose your system.

Capitalist but unironically agree with this.

People on either side are uninformed and I guess never get tired of repeating the same arguments over and over because it releases dopamine and makes them feel like they're exercising autonomy.

The only real point of contention I have is that you actually have very large groups of people marching through the streets with Hammer & Sickle insignia on their clothing / flags that are actively demanding socialism / communism in the United States -- which actually has failed repeatedly. And by Socialism, I mean the actual transient state between capitalism and communism where the focus is the abolition of private property.

So yeah, just because there are some ignorant people who don't know what they're talking about doesn't mean there aren't actually people running their mouth about how "real communism" has never been tried.

socialism may works in America if it's like those countries you mention...95% whites.

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I have been since I was 20. I’m in good health and don’t see the doctor typically in a given year. We collectively pay for our roads, militarily, etc but paying for other people’s unhealthy lifestyles is where the line is drawn

Cuba has universal healthcare.

>people are grabbing sick peoples money hand over fist right now
Yeah, it’s real great. And it’s on track to bankrupt the entire USs national economy when the boomers who have no goddamn savings put those absurdly inflated costs on the next generation who has worse economic potential.

Your little pyramid scheme is coming to its ultimate conclusion, like it or not.

If universal healthcare is implemented in the US I hope you’re the first to die waiting in line for surgery

And you’re suggesting we should follow in Cuba’s footsteps? Lol

Day of the pillow is coming soon for YOU, nation-wrecker. Old Rand-worshiping faggots like you are almost bad as Jews. Fuck capitalism, it's impoverished every generation after yours more and more while hollowing out the economy of the US, replacing it with service jobs, dependence on China, and credentialist circlejerking. Actual fascism fucking now.
Zionism is a very old cause. I'm not convinced by blood for oil narratives because Middle Eastern states will sell oil in whatever currency they can, so the petrodollar is safe. Like yes, Saddam died to sell his oil in Yuan and not because Ba'athism made Jews nervous. Ultimately the outcome is the same though, we bleed for interests not our own, whether that means capitalists or Zionists.

They live longer than we do

>This is how a libtard reacts to the truth

Yeah they're moving to states where government bends over backwards for big businesses and shits on its constituents in the process. The sooner people in all 50 states realize that appeasing rich people because their rich only gives them more power and 95% of the population less power, the better.

California can afford to lose asshole rich people because theres tons of money to be made in California. The state government has the clout to say "fuck off" to rich people who dont want to pay taxes and actually inact policies that help people (which is what a good government should do). Its why they're still the 5th largest economy on the planet.

There is no logic whatsoever in this argument "The line is drawn" is in the passive voice. Who does what? More questions than answers in this dog's breakfast of feeling and emotion minus all logic

Oh god what a intellectually empty argument

>I'm not convinced by blood for oil narratives because Middle Eastern states will sell oil in whatever currency they can, so the petrodollar is safe. Like yes, Saddam died to sell his oil in Yuan and not because Ba'athism made Jews nervous. Ultimately the outcome is the same though, we bleed for interests not our own, whether that means capitalists or Zionists.
It's like you're a Republican moron, but you hate Kikes too.

This statement is patently wrong. Most states in the US are hemorrhaging their richest people TOO California. That's part of why it has that 5th largest economy in the world I mentioned earlier.

That's why Canadians cross the border to pay for healthcare in th US.

Why cant we have a mix of both?

Because it literally turns all of society into a commons where inevitably people don't do all they can do. Incentives become perverse and society fails as a tragedy of the commons. Top 10% can easily support the bottom 20%, they should and meritocratic systems exist for everyone. A cap at the top and a net at the bottom.

Everyone on welfare has to be sterilized to prevent inferior genes from proliferation but they aren't harmed.

I’ve been just lurking in here but you’re argument only makes sense until you remember that the United States is the third most populated country in the world and would have higher mortality rates than other countries just because they have more people than smaller countries like literally anywhere in Europe. More people dying as a whole is going to impact these numbers. Though if these numbers are based on population density or some other kind of averaging to bring everyone to the same level population I will definitely agree with you. Could you post a source link so I can verify how the numbers were attained?

Fair argument but literally every use case of universal healthcare around the world has shown quality of healthcare improves will driving costs down.

The US is not number 1 in the world in literally any healthcare metric except spending. We spend way more on shittier healthcare than almost every other first world nation.

It's stupid, and so is defending it.

No ones even suggesting full on socialism. They're suggesting plans that don't even go as far as Canada, England, and the Netherlands.

A mixed economy is an economy organized with some free market elements and some socialistic elements, which lies on a continuum somewhere between pure capitalism and pure socialism.

For example, the United States is a mixed economy, as it leaves ownership of the means of production in mostly private hands but incorporates elements such as subsidies for agriculture, regulation on manufacturing, and partial or full public ownership of some industries like letter delivery and national defense.

investopedia.com/terms/m/mixed-economic-system.asp

And Americans cross the border, both Mexican and Canadian, to buy medicine and medical procedures. This is an idiot's argument.

"Simply cannot do because we're so different and unique speshul snowflakes."

This argument betrays a terrible lack of imagination. Go buy some Legos or a book.

WHO stats are Socialist lies. Turns out they have an obvipus bias.

USA life expectancy is lower because of high black homicide rates.

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>socialism has never once succeeded in any country in the history of mankind
What about Norway?

Running off the wealthy is true hallmark of socialist hell holes

long long wait times

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Can someone unironically explain why the USA are scared to death by socialism when most wastern countries have some form of socialized industries and healtchare since decades?

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I'm suggesting full on socialism. If you give capitalists an inch to breathe, they will have you down and shovellling shit with a collar on your neck. Do not turn your back on these "people"

These countries aren't Socialist. Go look up Nordic Model now.

Cuba is also a pretty white state for Latin America, with a particular economic structure and circumstance that make it capable of implementing such a system. I'm in favor of socialized healthcare but citing Cuba as a counterargument to "diversity ruins socialism" isn't a good one. The reality is America's lack of national cohesion is a serious fucking problem, but it's a problem that has to be dealt with -anyway- so we may as well force the hand by implementing nationalized healthcare
I'm a Nazi. Petrodollar shit in the middle east strikes me as a cover in the same way that Chomskyite narratives about Israel being an American puppet state are. It's all about Israel in that region and I've never seen convincing arguments to the contrary. Venezuela, on the other hand, might be more economically motivated.

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70 years of boomer propaganda

Yeah I’m guessing you don’t live in a state that allows the free market to flourish. Sorry California would have an even larger economy if the didn’t tax the shit out of the only people that give that state any value

>Cuba is also a pretty white state for Latin America, with a particular economic structure and circumstance that make it capable of implementing such a system.
Cuba is far more diverse than the US, Latin America is not a valid comparison because the US is the standard for a US healthcare system.

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So we should stop spending as much for other things. Why are you arguing like the US cant adjust what its budgeting money on? We can absolutely afford it, we're just not willing to divert money from other shit that we pay for. And if implemented correctly it'll be cheaper than the current system, saving money in the long run.

I understand the "we're not other countries" argument because I used to fall for that too, but its absolute self defeating bullshit.

Yeah. But that has nothing to do with care. It has everything to do with cost matrices and insurance companies being for-profit institutions. Change the law to make all insurance companies into coops where you pay in and at the end of the year receive a portion of the earnings above the reserves. Insurance companies are the problem because they were given the opportunity to create perverse incentives for investors.

I'm linking to Wikipedia because it's easiest. If you want to drill down the articles link to the relevant data from the World Health Organization (which is where I ultimately got those numbers).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates

So please define Socialism. Nearly every country in the civilized world has a socialdemocratic party and a big welfare plan

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Trying to replace it with a centralized form of free healthcare to all is even dumber. Healthcare is not a human right. It’s a business transaction that provides incentives for people to become Doctors and pharmacists because you get paid extremely well. The moment you force people to provide their services to everyone the less capable people we will have in those jobs

>I'm a Nazi.
So I was on the money about Jew hating Republican
>Petrodollar shit in the middle east strikes me as a cover in the same way that Chomskyite narratives about Israel being an American puppet state are.
Operation Desert Storm. You're young, that's why you took your politics from WWII vidya games

Idiocy is not reuting the statement.
If socialize medicine was so fucking great nobody would come to the US to get a CAT scan without waiting 2 years.

I've been saying for years that health insurance companies exist to solve a problem their existence created.

If this is the route a universal healthcare program in the US took I'd be alright with it.

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Yeah but it’s also true. The US is unique and if you cannot wrap your head around that then that’s your problem. Go live in the other parts of the world

This and the fact that America didnt have its country absolutely destroyed after WWII, so it took New Deal policies for granted while Europe's social programs after the war led to their recovery and relative success today

Let’s Socialize!

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They aren’t socialist

OP doesn't know what socialism is.

See
Mixed economy

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came here to say this.

Big welfare alone does not define socialism.
If uou had looked up nordic model you would have shut up.

>Idiocy is not reuting the statement.
No, it wasn't. What refutes it is that Americans leave America as health tourists as well. Which you're ignoring because you're a fucking idiot with no argument.

try acid one time new fag

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They aren’t socialist, but their system cannot work for the US. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

We're going to disagree on it being a human right.

I understand what you're saying but your argument doesn't hold any water.

We know universal healthcare can exist & still have healthy markets. It works in plenty of other places. The results have been duplicated time and time again. We're not chasing some mythical unicorn with this shit.

I don't care enough to see you all argue about puppets but seeing this image in a thread regarding politicals

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Socialism is when the state seizes all the means of production. AOC is not a socialist or a communist in the classic sense of the term, she's just advocating for economic policies that benefit everyone in the country(not just the rich), like in scandinavia and much of wester europe.

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California is not socialist, it's neoliberal. Socialism for the wealthy and fuck everyone else. If you want a look at California's future look at Brazil.
>Jew-hating Republican
Which is why I've been shitting on the capitalist faggots in this thread, right? Both parties are liberal, capitalist, Zionist trash. Fuck'em.
>WWII vidyagames
I can't stand shooters tbh
>Gulf War
The single good case, and literally we're still talking about a war against a state the Jews hate. Imagine if Saudi Arabia or the UAE had pulled that shit.

Europe is burning to the ground

For the US you are

Yea doctors didnt get into the medical field to help people

Define Socialism
Define succeeded

>If you dont like my country leave!

This entire argument is fucking nonsense.

you're scared of phantoms and shadows. scared minimum wage will make burgers skyrocket. scared healthcare will make idiot doctors.

you pathetic little thing. you stand on the edge of greatness and you try to snuff it out. you think you can hold the tide with a broom?

Still no. Just because you lack the imagination to see ways universal healthcare could work here doesn't mean it's impossible. It just means you have a shitty imagination.

Well my parents did that, they're currently enjoying a tax haven existence in Malta, relocating really isn't that hard if you've worked hard enough and saved.

You can sweep up Tide Pods.

lol not OP but LSD only made me feel so superior to others that i would never want to provide for or share with them. maybe there's that one "i love the universe and all people" hippie trip but after 100 times, years of knowing you're cooler than everyone you've ever met and dig electronic music they'll never understand...

there's a bit in "fear and loathing" where he's in a bathroom and some guy makes powdered LSD. it gets spilled on someone's shirt and he's licking it off and some dork in a business suit comes in and is shocked. he laughs at the square and the line is:
“With a bit of luck, his life was ruined forever. Always thinking that just behind some narrow door in all of his favorite bars, men in red woolen shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he’ll never know.”

one time on LSD, i was up late and saw some horrible freakshow talkshow like maury povich or something and there were these conjoined twins joined at the top of the skull, teenage. i thought to myself how "they" could never afford or be able to open their mind like i could on LSD and well... i looked down on the rest of the world the same way.

(sorry. no PLUR here from the hardcore oldschool raver)

Der boomer...

People here defending maxist/socialism/communism
-the best time ever in human history to live right now is in a 1st world country present day
-You want socialism because its easier to take money from everyone else then work hard to earn your own
-Socialism has been tried so many times. Venezuela tried it meeting all 6 criteria for the truest implementation of socialism. Failed so hard that no one wants to talk about it. meanwhile everyone is starving to death

At this point with how must you maxist have invaded 1st world academia and some lower ends of the government.. I think you should be taken out and shot.

>Imagine if Saudi Arabia or the UAE had pulled that shit.
Saudis and Emirates fund Hamas. Israel is extremely selective in who they're mad at for shooting at their country. Just like us and 9/11.

Why are you worried about wait times? That just means we need to train more doctors and invest in more healthcare providers.
Canada has moved from 1 problem to the next.
1) treat people equally, they are not letting people die because they are poor.
2) train enough doctors and health providers to care for everyone more efficiently

USA still hasn't moved to step 1, and you think it should stay that way because you don't give a fuck about your fellow man.

Im not going to hate on your parents for leaving. I've kicked the idea around myself more than once, but I'd rather spend time and effort helping my country be better.

It's a consolation prize for you degenerate and pointless existence.

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I'm 23, just because you didn't take advantage of the education system given to you and failed use the space between your ears doesn't mean we all deserve to be living in the shit with you.

>Which is why I've been shitting on the capitalist faggots in this thread, right?
Lots of Republicans hate "globalism" now. It's the same shit that would drive the expansion of a Nazi Reich though. Demand for greater profit margins. Fascists are just imperialist capitalists with shittier PR. Apart from those Vidyas...

Yeah because spending years of schooling and hard work to become is all done for altruism... no one in their right mind would become a doctor if they didn’t get paid out the ass for it

>everyone else does LSD and hides their power level
thinks he's jim morrison
>pretends to talk in a trippy tone of voice
>says cringy things like "this sleepy little town is too small for me"
>girls hate him
>he thinks he's too cool to have a girlfriend because they're all intimidated.
>"I live alone by choice because society is stupid"
>actually a dumb cringy drug addict

That’s only true if the one bitching about US healthcare isn’t from the US

What a grim outlook on the world. You alright, my dude?

It's understandable and I agree on part, but it became to a point where my dad was being forced to leave his job because the Managers son from Bahrain wanted his job so my dad took his retirement lumper and in Malta there's a tax bracket where you can live tax free on capital so my parents moved. Also if you ever get the chance to work with/for Komatsu expect the worst.

because greed and lust for power are an inherit trait of being human.

Capitalism only succeeded in making posible that barely 0,01% of the population has 99% of the wealth. But you really crave for that 0,01% jewish dicks.

And when you’re standing in the ruins of the most plentiful and wealthy nation in world history, what will you say to yourself? You are the cancer of a great civilization. You would set the world ablaze to try and remake it in your image. The affects of this hubris will catch up soon

And you’re just trying to force a square peg into a round hole and calling it imaginative

It wasn't real socialism

No it's always fucking nonsense. No American is under any obligation to love America unconditionally.

Add to that it's an immediate concession of whatever point was being argued, because if "love it or leave it" is your stance on any debate about American policy then you've run out of anything constructive or relevant to say to back up or refute points.

It's just an angry way for someone to admit they've exhausted their knowledge on the subject.

*I know I used 'you' a lot up there but I don't mean you specifically.

I’m not saying that it’s 100% because of the money, but honestly the level of dedication it takes to become a doctor is high because we expect them to be as knowledgeable as possible. If you swap the average annual incomes of doctors and teachers in the US you’d our level of education rise and our the skill of our doctors fall. It’s not grime it’s just reality that money makes a big impact

Classic warning of the old and decrepit. The American system is corrupt and in decline. The ruins are coming with or without socialism. I'd rather take a fighting chance at a better world than ride a slow grocery store scooter into boomer hell

>Fascists are just imperialist capitalists with shittier PR.
Please actually read some fascist texts. Or even texts about fascism by non-fascists. I'm not an imperialist, we have all the land we need for autarky in the US, and as far as economic issues go I generally side with the leftists. Profit margins aren't the ultimate end of society.
Big X to doubt, dude. Saudis and Emirates fund Wahhabi shit.

Except Medicare and Medicaid are things in the US, which are socialized healthcare options for qualified people.

So we even have 2 examples of socialized healthcare working HERE.

You seem pretty reasonable but this argument is bad. Let it go.

At a certain point you kind of gotta let the US be the US. No one is forcing you to leave, but if you’re so miserable in the US it’s a legitimate question to ask. Why not just move to a place that has all the policies or whatever it is you’re looking for?

>Big X to doubt, dude. Saudis and Emirates fund Wahhabi shit.
LOL that is itself Likudnik propaganda. "Don't worry fellow yids, these are the good Arabs, they only kill goyim!"

Perhaps it would be a problem that would need to be addressed but last I checked Canada, the UK, Norway, et al... all have doctors.

I think this concern is enough of a hypothetical that it shouldn't stop us from pursuing a universal system.

>I never said I was miserable.
>I've already explained I love my country and I want it to do better.
>And since you're sticking with this argument I'll take it to mean you're ceding the point to me. Good talk.

I think both of those programs have have gotten too large. Look I think trying to implement such a program posses a larger risk than I’d wager, but you disagree and we’re not changing the others mind on that and we don’t need to just talk in circles

I think the fire department is too large.

No one is forcing you to participate in the conversation bro. It's a free country. Nothing is stopping you from cranking one out to whatever trap thread is up.

Nice.

>I think both of those programs have have gotten too large.
Too large? They constitute, along with the VA, about 50% of all healthcare expenditure in the US economy. It would be far more disruptive to shrink them than to expand the role of government healthcare funding so that everyone is covered by the other 50% of spending.

Neither Evola nor Hitler impress me as intellectual lights. It's always the same "Man needs mystery and adventure" bullshit, and the punchline is always that there's an insidious menace to be removed and war is good for the soul and all that bullshit. Basically fascist "intellectuals" are nothing more than recruiting sergeants for capitalist empire.

Facts, and it's important to remember that doing this will drive healthcare costs DOWN for everyone who currently pays for healthcare, AND when you get cancer from the chemtrails and the fluoride in the water you dont have to go home and die because you cant afford your chemotherapy.

I mean the best way to know what Jews are doing is to see what they say to each other. I bet you don't even read Haaretz
Evola isn't even a fascist lol. Read some Gentile or Mosley.

>I mean the best way to know what Jews are doing is to see what they say to each other.
>Implying all Jews are Likud
>Evola isn't even a fascist
there's the mobile goalposts again.

Likud are like Jewish wignats.
>moving goalposts
No, I'm just clarifying. Evola was not a fascist. He wasn't an influence on the NFP, or really anyone at all until the 90s. I bet if you read something by Mosley you'd change your tune.

dude you don't know what Socialism is. PUBLIC LIBRARIES work pretty fuckin well don't they?

Man you are a jackass. So tell me who was more of a Socialist: Adolf Hitler (Nat'l Socialist Workers Party) or Joseph Stalin (Communist Party Russia...or Eugene Debs (Socialist Party USA).

Can u tell me? Write me an essay comparing the 3 of them. It should be easy for you since you are such an expert.

Tell the Scandanvian countries socialism never works. Tell the VETERANS ADMIN...my stepdad 100% disability. And that is socialized medicine, btw. VA=100% socialism

>it wasn't real communism
>it wasn't real socialism
Kek

and will every time. That is what your philosophy and your rhetoric and your activists will always lead to. pic related

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money mank
u too poor to buy a country
*sponsored by the prez taft corporation company*

yes, prosperity is a white construct, which is why all the beaner colonists and welfare-sucking Hard R's love to wallow in third-world conditions

You also forgot the part where the U.S. has made 90% of all medical breakthroughs of importance in the past 30 years. A small thing social cucks fail to understand.

of course, they can only ever be established by a fringe group with kgb advisors guns and money propping them up to overthrow the established government.

Or were you under the impression that commie-isms literally ever develop organically in any country ever?

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it's hilarious to me how lefties constantly flee from being identified with their own ideological heritage. It's like they realize that there's this huge stigma with their ideology or something. O well, must just be because of right wing propaganda, amirite?

Give total power and control to "good" politicians.
1. they use it to make themselves rich .
2. they consolidate power so they can stay rich.
MFW socialist trust politicians.

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But if America can do anything then couldn't America do socialism right?

>Why is us afraid of socialism when other Western countries are socialist

because we can see what's happened to those Western countries.

Oh god do you actually believe this?

We also have the best war machine in the world. And that's a socialized program.

Hey thanks for not flaming and actually giving me some stuff to read over. I’m genuinely interested in how they come to the stats in these studies. After I posted that I was hoping you would see it the way I was intending and not as me trying to shit on you or anything. I just like stats and studies and stuff. Here’s my kitty in exchange.

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No socialism and any other form of stateisum requires politician's to be good people . People who seek political office are generally the worst people on the planet.

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your kitty is low res socialists kitty .

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i thought we were talking about socialism, not communism, brainlet

No you havent, you see what Republican pundits and their donors tell you to see. If you think Western Europe is in shambles you're a complete numbskull who believes what other people want you to believe. There are too many actual Europeans on the internet for you to be this dumb about the state of Europe

This shit reads like you pulled words you thought sounded smart out of a hat.

Awwwwwww. That’s a cute kitty. Yeah I have to use a shitty camera to take pictures for Yea Forums cuz my phone camera makes the files too large.

This goes for any form of government.

And with the lack of government, it requires whoever holds the most power to be a good person. In anarchist capitalism, that's whoever controls the most wide reaching corporations.

Like anyway you slice it, none of civilization works if the people running the show are assholes. This isnt exclusive to the concept of government.

Hey, no worries. I do too, that's how I ended up finding the WHO numbers. Healthcare is one of the few political topics I'm really interested in so I go out of my way to be as informed as possible about it.

> "Total control"
> not realizing that current American progressivism is centered in holding people in power responsible, whether they are multibillionaires or politicians
> not realizing that the "gub'mint is evil" rhetoric is bullshit pushed by rich people to get public support for removing the only mechanism that checks them exploiting people and gaining true absolute power

All powerful people need their power checked, agreed?

This guy gets all the pussy.

Or if our constitution was acualy enforced and we had limited government.

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"Limited government" worked in a agrarian, sparsely populated society like, say, the US in the 18th to 19th centuries. When you have 300 million people and want to upkeep the role of being the most productive nation on the planet, you need to beef the government up a bit to make sure that infrastructure and programs are in place so that average Americans can easily succeed. America understood this from the 40's to the 80's.

Daily reminder that you're still the same dickless wonder who keeps posting this butthurt thread.

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People either seem to ignore or not realize that "limited government" refers almost specifically to laws and not social programs.

It's nothing more than a concise of way of saying that when it comes to individual freedom the default stance of the government should be, at all times: yes.

The system was designed in the hope that we would make it work with as few limits on individual freedom as possible while building a strong nation.

You don't seem to matter when Trump blatantly violates human rights portions of the Constitution when it comes to his "border policy."

The wealthy extracting wealth from the other 99% of the population while those people get peanuts is the true hallmark of a capitalist hellhole.

Every modern western country utilizes socialism though, including the US...

>People either seem to ignore or not realize that "limited government" refers almost specifically to laws and not social programs.

Except social programs are legislation and people who argue for limited government also argue against "having to pay for someone else's X", which is a direct criticism of social programs. Your own brand of libertarianism may allow for social programs, but that's not what most people who call for limited government subscribe to.

That's fair, but you can't really ignore the part about building a stronger nation.

By stronger I mean securer and safer for its citizens. Can we agree that job one of a government is to protect the people living under it? Not just from physical attack but also economically and in a bunch of other ways not worth listing here.

If we can agree on that then I think we can also agree that a certain number of social programs become a necessary part of the social contract that allows governments to exist in the first place.

This is basically where the argument that healthcare is a human right comes from.

Aoc is a brain dead bimbo

How many degrees do you have again?

Capitalism is socialism for rich people.