Why do the democrats want open borders?

and then they just hopped on back over.

>he also gave a ton of money to poor niggers, so why are there still poor niggers?

Oh did he now? Then you mind explaining why the fuck you faggots keep crying over your slaves being deported?

probably because you think demographics are fortune telling and sociology

They don't.

/thread

Thanks for letting us know early that you don't anything about political science.

gotta keep growing their voter base of illegals

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I'm centrist/liberal, not a democrat.

They don't, you ignorant liar.

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>pretends to be capable of asking a question
>doesn't understand what not being able to do that implies

>political science
I see you're one of those dumbasses that likes to major in fake bullshit

The same reason you post this thread every day

You are ignorant or a liar. Every major Dem candidate said they want to decriminalize illegal border crossings. As well as give incentives (free healthcare, etc) to those that do cross. What do you think they'll do once they're in office? There will be no enforced border, there will be an all-inclusive redefinition of refugees, there will be full support for immigrants (healthcare, college, housing, relocation, etc), and to top it off, they will extend the vote to non-citizens.

This fucking thread again.
Just keep voting for billionaires and believe the lobbyists, you'll be fine. At least there's funny memes and shitposting on Yea Forums when you do.

CANCER

stahp w/ this fucking thread

>they will extend the vote to non-citizens.
Put the /pol/aid down.

This is what made America great.

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Its the only way they get votes.
Hence why its 'immoral' to ensure you're a citizen before voting, I mean the people who live here legally making laws? Cmon bruh its 2019. This also applies to
>Free healthcare
>Wider social welfare programs
>Seeking asylum
>Equality of outcome hiring preferences
Its all to keep their own jobs by ensuring people who are lazy and worthless have incentives to come to America, but not to work here. Why tf would you if you could get a better doctor, food, and rental housing than you can in your shithole home country?

Not my major. But you're really offended by the discipline that you're arguing about in the first place? God, you're dumb, aren't you?

what? white people?

American political discourse can usually be boiled down to wanting something because the guy on the other side doesn't want it. Republicans and Democrats spend more time trying to spite each other than anything else except maybe taking lobbyist money.

if your point refutes fact it is not a point
random people are not your family

Name any meaningful differences, faggot.

They already do this in NYC and Cali retard. They dont ask for ID when you register to vote.

>Values and goals aren't meaningful differences
I bet you think Pepsi is better than Coke too, dontcha faggot?

You're dodging. I'm guessing you dont really have an answer.

Funny, I don't see any niggers or spics there

Votes. They hate the American way of life and the only way they can stay in power is to pay illegals to vote for them.

How's the pay, Ivan?

Because they assume every Hispanic that crosses the border will vote democrat forever once let in and granted citizenship. The wall would be the most intense thing ever if they thought Hispanics would vote republican

Where's your argument, Shlomo?

Not the same guy, I don't give a fuck about your shitty question when google exists. But if you really need a meaningful difference, Democrats give 0 fucks about identity politics while Liberals have that as their main platform.
Example since you strike me as a mouthbreather; when a Democrat says ensuring jobs stay in America, that's a-okay.
When a liberal says more women of color are needed in tech, this is not okay, and has nothing to do with being a Democrat.
Give yourself a little bit of time before using the keyboard again, really let those double digit IQ points work before typing, for the sake of everyone else who has a functioning brain.

you can have whatever you want
just please, shut the fuck up

The further left cities already let non-citizens vote. And most Democrats voted against the following resolution (this is the full text):

>RESOLUTION
>Whereas voting is fundamental to a functioning democracy;
>Whereas the Constitution prohibits discrimination in voting based on race, sex, poll taxes, and age;
>Whereas it is of paramount importance that the United States maintains the legitimacy of its elections and protects them from interference, including interference from foreign threats and illegal voting;
>Whereas the city of San Francisco, California, is allowing non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, to register to vote in school board elections; and
>Whereas Federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting in elections for Federal office: Now, therefore, be it
>That the House of Representatives recognizes that allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote devalues the franchise and diminishes the voting power of United States citizens.

It literally just says that allowing non-citizens to vote is bad. And Dems can't agree to that.

I don't go to /pol/, ever. I'm a centrist and a liberal. But the Dems are going off the fucking rails. They are letting a fringe minority decide their politics, so fuck them. They lost my vote.

No, you're misinterpreting some shitty polbait article, I garuntee you. You can't vote in CA w/o some proof of residency, since they mail your ballot to you. You'd know that if you did any research at all.

more people to vote for their side.

You are fucking dreaming if you really think the democrats aren't going down this path. They already give licenses and college aid to illegals that do not belong here.

This post should be pinned on top of every single board here.

See the issue is you can have an address without being a citizen. By refusing to ask for legitimate proof, like a state issued ID (Which every citizen has, even the poorest homeless losers can provide ID when needed) they allow for illegals to vote when they have no business doing so. Proof of residency is a joke.

Just a random dude from outside the US laughing at your fucking ridicouls shit where you rip eachother apart. You are either paid for this shit or indoctrinated, all the same for me mate

I respect your position and wish you many good thoughts

>Democrats give 0 fucks about identity politics
Huge disagree
>when a Democrat says ensuring jobs stay in America, that's a-okay.
Bill Clinton and NAFTA would disagree with you, and in today's times, both sides of the aisle want more legal immigration for the jobs that supposedly americans just dont want to do, even though we are still above 3% unemployment.
>When a liberal says more women of color are needed in tech, this is not okay, and has nothing to do with being a Democrat.
So when every Democratic candidate, even Bernie cucks to "muh norities" when spics and nigs ask them what are they going to do specifically for their own racial group, they are no longer democrats?

Here's your (You)

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big titty latinas everywhere

>The further left cities already let non-citizens vote.
Please show me which cities and what they're allowed to vote on, because being in a city, working it in and paying taxes, should grant you the right to maybe have an opinion on something going on there, but it won't let them say, vote for the primaries.

You're going to need to also cite wtf ever it is you're quoting because there's no way a resolution was written like that.

You do know you can have an address without being a citizen right? Maybe you should wait until you graduate HS before posting.

how hard do you have to try to say things that people can't respond to
or are you just projecting that from your personal life's experiences

>do you understand that that's not some weird joke?

>You can't vote in CA w/o some proof of residency
>Illegals don't have their own sanctuary cities.

You're fucking dumb

You need to also be a citizen, do some research, please. Not having to show ID at the polls is pretty reasonable when ~they already know you're a citizen and sent you your voting ballot in the mail~.

What is open borders. I’m a democrat and trumptards keep saying this but I have no idea why

Because they're globalist Pawns. Democrats no longer wish to represent American Citizens because they've realized American Citizens will never again vote them into power.

>They've already started to abandon the Blacks.

God damnit, Yea Forums, get it together, you used to think critically for more than 5 seconds.
ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-verification-without-id-documents.aspx

To replace you with someone who desperately needs the social welfare system

This.

Liberalism has nothing to do with the Democrat Party anymore.

I'm not surprised you disagree when you can't even tell the two apart, brainlet.
Legal immigration is 100% fine, its illegal immigration is the issue, you must really have issues.
Unironically yes, when you bring identity politics into the debate, you are no longer a democrat or a supporter of democracy. You are then supporting a smaller group of people based on arbitrary factors that make up their identity as opposed to the nation as a whole.
You can't even condescend properly.

Where does your link counter what we said? Did you even read it yourself?

The point was that non citizen can vote, and that's not factual.

Social Welfare System equals a Slave Collar just tight enough to make the flesh bulge around it. Just enough to make their voters remember who owns them.

They're publicly pushing for non-citizens to vote and have been for years. It's happening.

>Unironically yes, when you bring identity politics into the debate, you are no longer a democrat or a supporter of democracy.
Democrats disagree with YOUR definition, not mine, guy.

Your link doesn't support your claim.

1.Please cite your sources.
2.Who is "they"?

It's probably not happening, even the "Medicare for immigrates" gets really mixed reviews, as most of the time, it feels implied that it's an Americans first, then other folks second. Even if as far as I've seen no one has put forward a good idea about how to accomplish either.

Read moar

>Who is "they"?
Your heroes in the DNC

Give me something worth reading, or at least quote the part in your source where it disproves my claim.

>Voters must "State name and address
Write name and address in poll book"
>You do not have to be a US citizen to own property in CA, though you will have issues if you try to buy through a mortgage or loan, which will then require a green card or proof of citizenship.
legalmatch.com/law-library/article/non-citizens-and-land-ownership.html
Anything else to shill today? Or are we done here?
TL;DR. CA requires an address which only if you buy through mortgage or loan will require you to be a citizen. Fuck Liberals and their lying.

>Why do the democrats want open borders?

Why don't you, white boi?

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These Indian memes only support the need for secure borders claim.

>Funny, I don't see any niggers or spics there

Because they already were in America, you dumb fuck.

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Those democrats who disagree; those are the liberals. Did this puzzle of two pieces finally connect for you?

Now watch this faggot run away and hide instead of addressing this

Niggers and spics were already in America my ass. Not like it matters anyway. Even if we all left you fucking monkeys will just follow us wherever we go.

Amerinds already have 2% of US land reserved for them, even though they are about 1% of the population, yet they cant even manage that. They have to rely so much on taxpayer money to keep their asses alive, not to mention feral dogs and homeless amerinds high off battery acid or some shit.

Goes to show how well a mid 80's IQ population survives in America, very comparable to niggers.

>These Indian memes only support the need for secure borders claim.

No, it supports that you as an european immigrant don't have the right to bitch about immigration.

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/thread, literally. This is exactly what it is, discussion should’ve ended here

Well that tells me you can be BOTH at the SAME TIME. Sounds like you have some personal issues to deal with your own party, guy.

DNC is full of faggots who won't put the people's wants in front of their own, I'm a pretty liberal demo but rly tho fuck the DNC, they dropped the ball so hard last election I'm waiting for them to do it again.
>These states have "non-documentary" ID requirements, meaning voters must verify their identity in other ways, such as by signing an affidavit or poll book, or by providing personal information. In addition, all states have procedures for challenging voter eligibility.
k
Owning land or renting != citizenship
>sos.ca.gov/elections/publications-and-resources/voting-law-compliance-handbook/
>However, by automatically registering people at DMV, is it more likely that non-citizens and persons who are unable to submit satisfactory proof that their presence in the United States is authorized are registering to vote and illegally voting?

>The National Voter Registration Act (Motor Voter) requires the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to offer their customers the opportunity to register to vote. State law prohibits DMV from sending information for AB 60 applicants (undocumented driver license applicants) to the Secretary of State. For other applicants, state law requires each person to declare, under penalty of perjury, that they meet all voter eligibility requirements, including citizenship. The registration forms are highlighted, as are the instructions, and state that a person must be a citizen of the United States in order to be eligible to register. (Elections Code § 2101) Also, any literature or media announcements made in connection with programs designed to encourage people to register to vote must also point out that a person must be a citizen of the United States in order to be eligible to register and vote. (Elections Code § 2106)

Okay so if whites leave I'm guessing all the niggers and spics will also leave as well? And I'm also guessing you monkeys will stay in your shithole countries this time instead of begging white people for gibs correct?

Is very nice to see a leftist in reality and truly accepting of the fuckshow that is the DNC

>Land was sold for beads and rifles
>Rifles then used to instigate wars
>Dumb native monkeys lost wars
>Now they pay no tax, have reservations, and casinos
Literally have less reasons to complain than niggers. Be grateful your gene pool was allowed to even exist, we could have buffalo'd you in a heartbeat.

>being in a city, working it in and paying taxes, should grant you the right to maybe have an opinion on something going on there
No, it does not. The right to vote extends only to citizens. If you want to vote, become a citizen. Paying sales tax does not grant you any rights; Canadians regularly come to Washington to pay lower sales taxes-- do they get the right to vote in Washington? No. Illegal immigrants do not pay income taxes, and they do not pay into social security. They get no vote.

SF elections: sfelections.sfgov.org/non-citizen-registration-and-voting
>allows non-citizens to register to vote
>specifically intended for school board elections
>but there is nothing in their system to distinguish those voters from citizens

13 states allow drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, most with no record of their citizenship status. Bill HR 1 (look it up) will automatically register these people to vote, with no safeguard in place to prevent them from exercising that ability. It will remain illegal for them to vote in federal elections, but there is no way to track whether or not they are breaking the law. NY and MD have outright moved towards allowing them to participate in local elections. Not going to find these links, I've done enough google searching for you.

Link to the full text of the resolution that Dems rejected (source is congress itself): congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-resolution/1071/text

It is the exact language used, and it is common for them to write in this manner. Have you never read congressional bills before?

The obsession people in Oklahoma and Alabama have with border is weird. It’s like they stay awake at night having nightmares about Guatemalans hopping a fence. To most people in California, Texas, Nevada it’s not as big of a deal.

>Amerinds already have 2%

Already? They used to have 100%.

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>To most people in California
Most people in Cali aren't white you retard.

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Yeah imagine that, people caring what's going on in their own country's borders. Crazy isn't it? If only we all only cared about apehood and which celebrity "leaked" her sex tape, like what you and every liberal fuck cares about.

>Okay so if whites leave I'm guessing all the niggers and spics will also leave as well?

"Spics" are native to the Americas. Blacks were forced to live there.

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>They used to have 100%.
mmhmm, all amerind tribes were peaceful with each other, they worked together to create a cohesive empire much in the same way the USA is today, and those evil white British came and took it all from those peaceful, earth loving amerinds.

You fought wars with us and you lost, deal with it.

Okay tonto, how about this, europeans built every good thing that you get to leech off of today. If you don't live a lifestyle where you don't take advantage of a single thing we brought with us, you got a point. but you know damn well that us being here has benefitted you more than harmed you, even if you add the genocide in. That's not to mention that your people migrated to this land too. Earlier, but you didn't materialize out of the ground, you came from somewhere too.

>"Spics" are native to the Americas
Wrong
>Blacks were forced to live there
They aren't native to the USA so they will also have to leave according to your logic

Haha see what I mean how touchy they get? To the people mostly effected by this closest to the border who know about it first hand and don’t get their info from the web we know it’s overhyped, it’s like a fear tactic to get you guys juiced up it’s funny how easily you fall for it.

If it's "overhyped" why are thousands of people getting caught every week crossing the border illegally? I get that you're a fucking child that's not even old enough to post here, so I don't expect you to have an actual answer for that question, but I'll entertain your shit anyway since I'm bored.

If we leave does that mean we get to kick non whites out of Europe?

Of course not, only whites are expected to leave while the niggers and spics stay. Even though we all know the USA would turn into a fucking third world country in less than 24 hours and then those monkeys would all move to Canada or Europe.

>If we leave does that mean we get to kick non whites out of Europe?

Who says Europe is going to take you white trash in, bitch? Already enough refugees here.

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Do me a big ol favor and google "Illegal voting in CA". You'll get dozens of articles of investigations occurring from the DMV mishandling their own proceedings. Here's a few, and I'll be waiting for the rebuttal.
washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/8/non-citizens-illegally-registered-vote-california-/
cis.org/Cadman/California-DMV-Improperly-Registering-License-Applicants-Including-Aliens-Vote-Oops
sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article223886630.html
latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-dmv-voter-registration-error-20180905-story.html
>I-its not REAL you g-guys!

I thought about this to. If the white population actually does dip under 50% overall in the USA and stays that way for a while. The USA will more than likely cease to be a super power and a contender on the global stage

That's your take away from that? That people with disparaging ideas, that those who want to cater to the majority and a minority must have the same ideals at the same time?
You really are just not worth the captcha anymore.

>Already enough refugees here.
You sound like one of them, Muhammad

More kids coming across for them to fuck.

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You guys in these little towns would do better dealing with opiate treatment and how robots are going to steal your jobs in a couple years and stop fantasizing about a border you aren’t even close to.

>I have more of a right to be there than a shitskin muslim who is completely incompatible 1with western values and culture

No, you don't. You have the same right he does, which in non.

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I mean, you're gonna find out that hard way just how badly your own party has left you behind in the dust. It sounds to me like you're just in denial. The future of the USA is non-white, and Democrats are catering to that demographic because that is a winning strategy.

Cope harder.

Who has the right to be there then?

why do republicans insist on subsidizing the elderly with socialism

your thing is bootstrap and hard work, yet you allow these drains of society to hold and acquire free wealth

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*Liberals
And not only am I not democratic, I'm not even in America (And I mean the continent, not the states you mouth breather).
Your mental health is really showing.

>No, you don't. You have the same right he does, which in non.
This is ironically a statement that supports US imperialism into the middle east. I don't think that's the hill you want to die on, chief.

>Who has the right to be there then?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Canada

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So muslims have no right to be there then? Okay thanks for letting me know.

Please think critically, Yea Forums.
I mean that's your opinion, user. I wouldn't cry if illegals in my town could vote on like say, that weird initiative to fix one of our highways, but not the over used one near the freeway. Nothing really beyond that, but that's just me.
>Illegal immigrants do not pay income taxes
Gunna support that at all?
>cnn.com/2019/04/15/us/taxes-undocumented-immigrants/index.html
>In addition to tax return filings, officials have estimated that undocumented immigrants also contribute billions to Social Security annually through payroll tax deductions. In 2010, for example, the Social Security Administration estimated that payments from unauthorized workers accounted for about $12 billion in tax revenue for Social Security.
>They do not pay into social security
Hmm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States#Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants
>"the tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to them" but "in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use."[9] Unauthorized immigrants demand goods and services[10] while an estimated 50 to 75 percent pay taxes.[9] Due to cheaper labor, they contribute to lower prices in the industries where they work, such as agriculture, restaurants, and construction.[10]

Illegals get the driving ID for things like insurance :l I feel like you're doing a bit of fear mongering, HR1 isn't even a law.
Youre greentext on the end wasn't quite 1:1, I was just being nit picky.
First
>An accident
>Incorrect registrations will be canceled by the secretary of state, DMV spokeswoman Jessica Gonzalez said.
Second is a detailed of the first
Actually user fuck you those are all the same god damn thing, you didn't even read those, did you?

>I'm not even in America
Wow, dude, liberal means something entirely different here. I don't expect to come to an agreement with a Sargon of Akkad fan over what liberalism means when we aren't even in the same country. Why didn't you mention that before? Fuck

Anyone Im gunna go play video games now.
No hard feelings other anons but you really gotta do some lurking if you're going to regurgitate /pol/bait nonsense. They're a big bowl of retard and there isnt any avoiding it.

Not the guy you responded to, but Illegals may pay taxes, but they take WAY more in the form of welfare and other social services, and end up being a drain overall on the economy, much like niggers.

Indigenous people here are kind of like Niggers. Violent, savage. I'd like to see things benefitting them stripped.

>I wouldn't cry if illegals in my town could vote
Of course you wouldn't because you're a fucking cuck that hates America, like all of the left does. Why should a fucking illegal have ANY right to vote when they don't even belong here? These people are breaking the fucking law and your idols in the DNC make excuses for them and give them gibs, then tell everyone everything is perfectly normal. It's obvious as fuck what you faggots are doing, which is literally importing scum monkey slaves to putting them in red states so they will vote for their masters in office.

why do sociopaths and Trump supporters promote the false mythology that "Democrats are for open borders"? Name one Democrat who has ever use the term "open borders". You can't because it's made up BS

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>Accidents that repeat every single election
Uh huh
"You are in a different country, you must be wrong" What is even more sad than your attempt to invalidate is that an American is truly so ignorant that he doesn't even know the subtleties to his own political system. You people are living embarrassments.

>top text bottom text boomer memes

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Name one thing Trump has stolen, you fucking moron

>You people are living embarrassments.
What country are you from?

>why do sociopaths and Trump supporters promote the false mythology that "Democrats are for open borders"?
Has any democrat who is pro-illegal or legal immigration provided a limit as to how many should come in, or have they always just claimed more should come in?

Liberal Democrat here and I do NOT want fucking open borders. I think we need a better process of getting immigrants into our country so it doesn't take 20 years to get their citizenship, but open borders is just lunacy. It shouldn't be one extreme or the other...which is where politics live right now...

>I mean that's your opinion, user.
No, it's not an opinion. Voting is a right, and rights are legally entitlements. If you do not meet the legal status necessary for a right, you do not get the entitlement of the right. You are giving your opinion (which I disagree with), but your opinion contradicts the constitution and the law.

>cnn.com
They are liars and they misrepresent data. Fox is more reliable, and I wouldn't ever consider citing Fox as a source. Illegals have no social security number, and they are not employed legally. How are these taxes collected? Give me government data that backs your assertions or fuck off.

>Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants
>The economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States is challenging to measure, and politically contentious.
First line of the wiki. Good job greatly misrepresenting the article, user.

>Illegals get the driving ID for things like insurance
So we should have a completely separate, federal DL for them. it could also let us track them, tax them, and evict them if they break laws. Make them pay for it, and insurance, to get it. But Dems just say no to this.

>HR1 isn't even a law
Not yet, but it likely will be:
>Introduced Jan 3, 2019
>Status: Passed House (Senate next) on Mar 8, 2019
>This bill passed in the House on March 8, 2019 and goes to the Senate next for consideration.
>Prognosis 78% chance of being enacted
>Source Congress.gov

>Youre greentext on the end wasn't quite 1:1, I was just being nit picky.
That was from another page on the same site, but both are sourced from congress. It's 'your', just being nit picky.

What is the point of spamming this thread? You are never going to convince anyone to change their positions. Leftists are too brainwashed and all thinking people are never going to support mass illegal immigration. This shit has already happened in Europe right in front of our faces, to disastrous results.

Cloward-Piven 2.0

Fascist!

That's false. You always have to provide ID to register to vote and some proof of residence. There are certain cities and towns that allow LEGAL RESIDENTS (but not full citizens) to vote on local issues, like the school board.

Can you imagine the scent wafting off her misshapen teeth from severest gum disease? I bet it smells like a barrel of composting trash after a rain storm and a couple of 100 degree sunny days. If you bolted her jaw open I bet flies would spawn maggots inside her mouth and they would drill through her putrefying gums and turn her face into swiss cheese

because theyre incapable of understanding consequences and they dont care about our future

so it's obvious no one can point out one mainstream Democrat that embraces "open borders". Obama enforce the law and kicked out many people who were not documented and in fact many Trump supporters justify trumps human rights violations by saying "Obama did the same thing" when Obama was enforcing immigration rules, albeit not like a huge ass hole like Trump. Proving Democrats are not for "open borders". And what did Trump steel? Jump is well-known to not pay his bills to people that he owes for doing work for him and Trump University was a pure fraud are just two examples of Trump being a crook .

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>I think we need a better process of getting immigrants into our country
Why take in anymore than we already have? We currently have over 3% unemployment, why cant we get these people jobs first before we take in more people?
>but they dont want to work those jobs because they pay too little
So? That's a globalist/capitalist argument. Why not increase the minimum wage instead?
And you know, by taking in immigrants from central america, you aren't helping fight the poverty that exists in those nations, there are still millions of people that can never be helped by just having them escape to financial asylum here in the US. By letting them remain where they are at, they have more power to enact change that puts their needs as working and middle class citizens first in the governing parties that exist in their home nations, thus granting themselves a higher quality of life.

lol, fuck off faggot.

Why do you post this thread everyday?

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>You always have to provide ID
incorrect, and even if they did, a state like Cali doesn't prohibit illegals from obtaining a drivers license, which they are then able to register to vote at the same time.
>some proof of residence
They have their own sanctuary cities, I think obtaining proof of residence is no biggie.

Not every non-citizen is here illegally. You realize this, right? Some localities allow non-citizens to vote on local elections as long as they are ----legal---- residents

No one wants "open borders" like the ones we had for the first 150 years of our country's history. But there's no reason the legal immigration process needs to take 10-20 years besides nativism

If your ancestors arrived through Ellis Island then they had to get off a boat, wait in line for 6 hours then get citizenship the same day (after getting checked for disease)

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Fucking idiot.
They don't, not really. They want humane treatment for people, and yes some of them want to sway legal voters of ethnic backgrounds to see them as the hero(es) of their people. Most that I have spoken too want more *people* at the border and technology for detection instead of a solid wall, but they definitely don't want it wide open.

probably because all anything is anymore is trying to provoke someone into doing something stupid

probably to deal with the fact that our education system is not very good

One more correction:

> By refusing to ask for legitimate proof, like a state issued ID (Which every citizen has, even the poorest homeless losers can provide ID when needed)

About 5% of registered voters don't have a state-issued photo ID. That's millions of people. It's mostly because not everyone has their own car or drives to work, and also because it costs $20-50 depending on the state.

my suggestion is to provoke everyone and have an AI ban them

There's no 'lol' there, you are a fascist if you don't support mass illegal immigration. It's the entire point of the SJW/PC movement. To get as many here as possible, to turn states blue, specifically Texas. If you are voting democrat, you support that, no matter what you say.

>Obama enforce the law and kicked out many people who were not documented
What is DACA?
>Trump supporters justify trumps human rights violations by saying "Obama did the same thing" when Obama was enforcing immigration rules, albeit not like a huge ass hole like Trump.
So Obama also violated "muh human rights?"
>And what did Trump steel?
>steel
Are you even white?

Statistically, you'll never have 0% unemployment. That's silly to even suggest that's possible. Secondly, I think if people are coming into this country legally and are willing to work hard and earn their keep, wtf not? It's better than a lot of other people I went to high school with that ARE citizens who just collect welfare because they're too lazy to get out there and work.

To your second response. I actually didn't say that, so don't put words in my mouth, faggot. When I got out of college, I worked a $10 an hour entry position and worked my way up to $75,000 a year in 5 years. It took a lot of time and effort, but if anyone is willing to come into this country, start at the bottom and work their way up, they should be allowed to. That's what the early immigrants did when they traveled here from Europe, and that's what the present immigrants should be allowed to do today.

They want to disband ICE and leave huge gaping holes all over you can just walk through whenever, and keep "sanctuary cities" where you can stay as an illegal and not have to worry about deportation at all
Its the same thing as open borders

socialonline.co/new-unknown-species-discovered-in-africa/

How's that new minimum wage working out for you?

Thank you for proving my point. I stated in that same comment that current politics is one extreme or the other, and you just secured that by calling me a facist for trying to find a bipartisan solution. So yes, there are many lols for me to have at your idiotic statement.

>No one wants "open borders" like the ones we had for the first 150 years of our country's history
25% of immigrants who came here 100 years ago went BACK. How many illegals today go back due to their own choice to do so?

better question, why is an 5 dimensional AI repeatedly doing things that are artistic forms of expression

is he retarted?

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>Illegals have no social security number, and they are not employed legally. How are these taxes collected?

hurrr what are sales taxes. Immigrants pay more in taxes then they get in benefits, because they aren't eligible for most federal or local benefits without a social security number

I'm sure you're aware as anyone that something being the law doesn't make it moral. The legal system shouldn't punish or reward people based solely on factors that they can't control. Like race, sex, and place of birth. Immigration itself doesn't suddenly become immoral just because most legal avenues were shut down in response to the majority of immigrants no longer being white (chinese exclusion act)

hurrrrrr I speak english

Cite one place that doesn't have any ID check upon voter registration

>incorrect, and even if they did, a state like Cali doesn't prohibit illegals from obtaining a drivers license, which they are then able to register to vote at the same time.

You dumbass, licenses for non-citizens are clearly labeled as NON-CITIZEN, by law

There’s a study that shows with open borders, more seasonal migrant workers would actually leave because they know they could come back whenever. They’re in the US to do a lot of work that US citizens don’t want to do. Open border might actually lead to less noncitizens in the country on an average year.

That's backward as fuck. Democrats are the ones who are extreme left. Liberals are by definition for liberty. If what you want is to force someone else to do or do not do something, that opinion is by definition not liberal as it does not allow for that persons liberty. So quotas are not a liberal point. Therefore dems are basically the opposite of liberal for a multitude of reasons but two would be that dems want
>no free speech
>no right to self defense

youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA
I agree, we should have AI based detection. It would expidite and ease the process.

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>it costs $20-50 depending on the state
Is that suppose to be a lot of money? Yeah they dont money for IDs but for blunts and air jordans they have the money for that?

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b-b-b-but they never said open b-b-b-orders!!

You can’t get no crackers or gigs to do any stoop labor.

Or you could just kick the fuckers out that are breaking federal law by being here, and build a wall. That too would lead to less noncitizens in the country on an average year, according to another study

>25% of immigrants who came here 100 years ago went BACK. How many illegals today go back due to their own choice to do so?

About 25%. It's actually pretty common for some to go back and forth, now that it's a lot cheaper than getting on another boat in 1905

Also:

factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

and

bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/

>Statistically, you'll never have 0% unemployment. That's silly to even suggest that's possible.
We can have lower than what is it now, Nazi Germany in 1939 has less than 2% unemployment. Does the united states want to be know as a country that cares less about it's own citizens than Nazi Germany?
>Secondly, I think if people are coming into this country legally and are willing to work hard and earn their keep, wtf not?
That a pro-globalist/capitalist argument guy. You are taking away power from the middle class of countries by shrinking their size, thus depressing their wages and promoting plutocracy and international banking.
>I actually didn't say that
but you are. "It took a lot of time and effort, but if anyone is willing to come into this country, start at the bottom and work their way up, they should be allowed to." Why cant they work to make their own home countries better? Your policies are band-aid fixes/short term solutions, while my solutions improve countries abroad so they wont have to come to the United States for a better life.

Yes, but that would drive up the government deficit, cost a lot of money, and harm the economy. So, worse in virtually every measure

The US has 13% niggers, we will ALWAYS have unemployment.

Who is "they"? A lot of people can't spare $20 or 50. If they're buying expensive things, then that doesn't seem like a group of people that can't afford it

>It's actually pretty common for some to go back and forth
That's great. I wanna know how many go BACK and NEVER RETURN, because they couldn't make it in America.

According to:

factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

Voluntary returns peaked in 1998.

"They" being your fucking slaves and pets who complain because they can't "afford" a fucking 10 dollar ID but they can afford to smoke weed and have kids out of fucking wedlock

>You dumbass, licenses for non-citizens are clearly labeled as NON-CITIZEN, by law
>Cali caring about this

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Not user, but...

>Not every non-citizen is here illegally.
We're not really talking about them. But I disagree with giving them any voting rights.

>No one wants "open borders" like the ones we had for the first 150 years of our country's history.
They do, though. And even worse, they are trying to give incentives for immigrants. it used to be that immigrants came on the promise of 'Streets paved in gold,' and many left after they realized they had to succeed on their merits. others did well. But now, we subsidize their whole existence while they send most of their cash back home. Because they don't see the US as their home. They don't integrate like they used to.

>But there's no reason the legal immigration process needs to take 10-20 years besides nativism
1. It doesn't, for people that start the process legally.
2. Yes, it should take that long for illegals to become citizens. It takes a naturally born American 18 years to become a citizen, so it should be the same for illegal immigrants. And it should be conditional on attending schools (if young), paying taxes, etc.

>6 hours then get citizenship
Cite a source, everything I've read says it took years to become an official citizen.

wow, fuck off with that

The same reason I want Belle Delphine's pee

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Immigration yields net positive economic outcomes. The welfare queen narrative is a fiction. Illegal immigrants do not commit crimes at a rate higher than US citizens. The only argument against not allowing foreigners in to your country is this retarded fear of cultural genocide - which is some leftover monkey brain bullshit.

By the way, if we were to agree to give all of your slaves IDs for free, would you support Voter ID laws then? Of course you wouldn't. Your slave masters in the DNC would still complain and say they're racist.

>1998
That's great, so what about today? y'know, 20 years later?

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The global elite want the Khalergi Plan to take full effect in all established states that were once white, just look at Europe. In the US, they're funded by our taxes, our domestic powerhouse economy, and also the profits of global
trade and international corporations. This same money which is privately owned by the elite behind international central banking cartels and printed as fiat currency, and loaned to the public sphere at interest. The collective interests of those three components are enforced and protected by the legal system that also enables the prison industrial complex, and jingoistic foreign policy that also enables the military industrial complex. They use this power to pull on the strings of world leaders and enforce these ethno-sociological policies to change and eradicate ethnic groups, cultures, traditions, values, and ideals. It also consolidates all political power by proxy to these untouchable giants. The goal is to put everyone in a bag, shake it up, and have a myriad of ethnically vague yet similar peoples as the population of all states, with the elite as overlords in what would become a one world dystopian state. Serving this state would be the soulless masses with no cultural identity in the name of tradition either, save the vapid and excessive consumerism currently destroying the United States and feeding the all powerful state void of rights and dignity save the masters.
I'm not joking.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Families
Has nothing to do with cultural genocide, it has to do with not knowing and having no way to find out if someone is a murdering psychopath before you let them in your country, because they came here illegally and there was no way to find out.

>The only argument against not allowing foreigners in to your country is this retarded fear of cultural genocide - which is some leftover monkey brain bullshit.
Great, so when can white people migrate by the millions to mexico and central america? Or is that colonization and imperialism?

Do these people have names or are you just angry at people in your head?

Anyway, requiring a paid license in order to vote is bad because it's an effective poll tax.

It's true though

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Money from students that he defrauded into paying his fake school.

Read up, and bring something to catch the salt.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University

Also thread needs more hot native girls.

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Oh SNAP!

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>It's true though
There are entire cities dedicated to protecting illegals from ICE, what makes you think they don't allow them to vote as well?

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We get it niggers and spics don't carry around IDs because they have warrants out for their arrest. By the way you didn't answer my fucking question. Why do your slaves complain about getting an ID that costs 10 fucking dollars but smoke weed and fuck without condoms like monkeys? If we give all of your monkey pets IDs for free will you fags get on board with Voter ID laws?

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No, we want controlled immigration niot closed borders, like pres shit for brains. If we have no immigrants, who is he going to have take care of golf courses for slave wages?

You have no way of knowing if your citizen neighbor is a murdering psychopath. Statistically speaking letting foreigners live in your country does not increase the chance that you will be murdered. Let them in! Let them get a job and produce and spend their money at american businesses. So long as their labor is more valuable to a firm than the cost of their wages and so long as they spend more on american goods than they cost to produce - the economy benefits. Some immigrants won't, some will leech off of the system, but who the fuck cares? There will be a net positive gain. If just one of these "illegals" or their descendants becomes a successful entrepreneur they could more than make up for any "freeloading". This very attitude was the reason for the US's economic prosperity up to WW2. LET THEM GO POPULATE NEBRASKA. Turn it in to a mexican colony and we can all visit and enjoy the bomb tacos.

>If we have no immigrants, who is he going to have take care of golf courses for slave wages?
Why don't you want him to pay higher wages? Are you a republican?

I doubt Mexico and Central American countries would have a problem with it. Especially if these folks were skilled laborers. That'd be a huge bonus for them. If they are concerned about "cultural identity" being degraded that's their prerogative.

Probably not, lol. So here's the facts republican tard

I'm a democrat
I love sucking big fat nigger dick
I want everyone to be black
I want mexicans to be black
I want black people to be even more black
I want the whole race of whites to be browns
homosexuality is awesome because we hate children
that's why we do abortions to kill them
We want to let people into the country with drugs
because we all smoke drugs
and they kill white people
even though we're white too
we get off to being indirectly responsible for murdering people
which we jack off too
because we're sociopaths

>Why do the democrats want open borders?

to import more immigrants

>Why do the democrats want to import more immigrants?

to blow up all this "poor immigrants" thing and give them the right to vote

>Why do the democrats want to blow up all this "poor immigrants" thing and give them the right to vote?

studies have shown, that immigrants are 70% likely to vote democrats. with the biggest landslide of 20 million votes in US history it is easy to win future elections with 10 million illegals now, and even more in the future.

its a fucking joke, a political party (called the democrats) is using illegal immigrants to get and stay elected for at least a decade. When they do this they will plunder the state and the taxpayer like crazy.

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I'm working on getting the 8th dimension cleaned up tyvm
*points to penis gyrating for no reason*

>If they are concerned about "cultural identity" being degraded that's their prerogative.
So why cant it be white people's prerogative?
>because I hate white people

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>They do, though. And even worse, they are trying to give incentives for immigrants.

The biggest "incentive" we're providing is a low crime rate, low unemployment rate, and lack of cartel wars. Illegal immigrants don't qualify for welfare or any federal programs

>Because they don't see the US as their home. They don't integrate like they used to.

How did they "use to" immigrate? Because back then there were plenty that went decades without learning english and being compared to filthy subhuman apes for generations

>1. It doesn't, for people that start the process legally.

Except it does. That's the average. The office is so backlogged that it takes months or years to hear back after each step

>It takes a naturally born American 18 years to become a citizen, so it should be the same for illegal immigrants. And it should be conditional on attending schools (if young), paying taxes, etc.

Neat, so DREAMers deserve citizenship?

>Cite a source, everything I've read says it took years to become an official citizen.

ranker.com/list/ellis-island-immigration-requirements/nicky-benson

Here you go. Currently, there is NO LEGAL PATH TO CITIZENSHIP if you don't have a college degree or an American relative. I can't imagine why people would take the path of least resistance

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Fear of the other is some primitive leftover monkey brain shit. You shitmonkeys can use your fucking intellect to overcome it. We'd all be better off

I don't have a say in another nation's decisions regarding immigration. I'm a registered voter in the US so it is my prerogative to weigh in regarding this nation's policies.

>hurrr what are sales taxes.
Yeah, mentioned them in a previous post. Read the thread, retard. Do sales taxes give you a vote? if so, what about Canadian citizens that travel into Washington state to pay lower taxes? Do they get to vote in and Washington or federal elections? No. Do we, as Americans, get a vote in other countries when we pay sales taxes? No.

You're not answering my question. I wonder why.

Well, you are right about niggers. But where do you think latino people come from you shit eating fuck?

Not sure why you keep saying "slaves"

If state-issued photo IDs were free, it would still limit voting to people that can go to a DMV during working hours. Most people can, but millions can't. There's a reason why we have mail-in ballots, for voters that can't easily travel from home to go to a polling place. And most DMVs are farther than the average polling place, with shorter hours

I support any vote ID measure that won't block more legitimate voters than fraudulent ones

What about today? There's currently fewer illegal immigrants now than there were 12 years ago

Elections are still federally monitored. You have to prove citizenship to register to vote outside of any local election. The voter rolls are public info. Every year the right freaks out because we discover that thousands of citizens have the same names as illegal immigrants

>By the way you didn't answer my fucking question. Why do your slaves complain about getting an ID that costs 10 fucking dollars but smoke weed and fuck without condoms like monkeys?

Who are you even quoting? I don't think weed addicts care much about voting

>There's currently fewer illegal immigrants now than there were 12 years ago
We're not going to agree on that. Also, if that were the case, why is the left pushing so hard for that question to be taken off the up-coming census? If there werent a shit load of illegals here, why would they give a fuck if that question was asked? Wouldn't they want to be able to prove to those "evil right wing conservatives" that there aren't as many illegals as they think there are?

>Yeah, mentioned them in a previous post. Read the thread, retard. Do sales taxes give you a vote?

Wait a sec....taxation without representation....?

Anyway, no one's arguing that they deserve to vote by sole virtue of paying taxes. Just the idea that they're getting more in benefits then they're paying into. They're contributing to your medicare and social security fund despite never getting their money back. You're welcome :3

They don't want it because the real number is 3-4 times what they claim it is

>Elections are still federally monitored.
But not closely enough to determine if there was Russian collusion huh?
>The only argument against not allowing foreigners in to your country is this retarded fear of cultural genocide - which is some leftover monkey brain bullshit.
Or maybe SSNs perhaps?

dingdingding

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I smoke weed. I'm certainly not an "addict" but I have voted in every local/state/federal election since I was 18 except 1 time when I was out of the country on business.

I call them slaves because that is exactly what they fucking are, just like you, and it's what your idols want to turn everyone in this country into. And the DMV is open on the weekends and have days that they stay open past 7pm. But keep making excuses for why your monkey pets can't get IDs but can make it to the fucking mall for the lastest pair of apehoop sneakers.

>why is the left pushing so hard for that question to be taken off the up-coming census?
I would be pretty confidant saying the bulk of their constituents, are illegal or only quasi-legal. Certainly not US citizens that give any shits about this country, beyond what cash they can get out of it.

A simple background check like "have you ever been convicted of a crime or are you a known affiliate with any drug cartels or street gangs" would go a long way to helping prevent criminals from seeking sanctuary or setting up shop in the US. Those are not the people who help the economy or who we should be screaming "LET THEM IN" those are the people who bring suffering and death. With your stupid "all immigration is good immigration" plan you fail to prevent this. Not everyone who crosses the border is a hard working field worker just looking for a better life. Stop pretending that's the only thing we're talking about. Drug cartels are real, MS13 is real. There are bad people in Mexico just like everywhere else, and the same reason Mexico dosn't want US citizens coming illegally to Mexico who are criminals or who don't pass a background check are the same reasons sensible people here don't want them either.

Free movement of workforce is good for economy and free movement of people is good for democracy. Government doesn't have to give them social programs until they stayed long enough and contributed into economy and removal of minimum wage would be a great incentive for companies to hire them instead of automate.

The only reason someone wouldn't want open borders is if they hated poor and oppressed people or brown people, or were economically illiterate.

Im not even from US, but I wouldn't mind if a concept of borders died, In fact it would be great.

>We're not going to agree on that. Also, if that were the case, why is the left pushing so hard for that question to be taken off the up-coming census?

Because it's unconstitutional, and was designed solely to give the GOP an advantage in redistricting. The consensus is supposed to count all "persons", not citizens, but including the question will make non-citizens less likely to respond. Which means that they're going to be underrepresented in the census results to an even greater degree. The GOP is aware of this, as internal documents show. The purpose of the question isn't to document illegals, but to discourage documenting them

Also, do you take issue with the immigration stats cited?

factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

>But not closely enough to determine if there was Russian collusion huh?

No one determined anything about "collusion" because that's not a crime or even a legal term. However it was heavily-documented that Russia interfered in the last election

Bro tip: be an American and try to vote in a Canadian or Mexican election....see how fast you get told no.

>Nazi Germany
>13% niggers
This. Comparing Nazi Germany, or even Germans of any era to the general US population is ridiculous.

>Which means that they're going to be underrepresented in the census results to an even greater degree
Good, they don't deserve to be counted or represented, they're fucking illegals and need to leave

Lol. By publishing memes that reflected what people already believed. Morons.
Who are you going to blame in 2020?

I don't think you really know what "slave" means.

>And the DMV is open on the weekends and have days that they stay open past 7pm.

Mine isn't, and neither are most others. It varies heavily by state and county

>But keep making excuses for why your monkey pets can't get IDs but can make it to the fucking mall for the lastest pair of apehoop sneakers.

Again, people who can afford luxuries are not the people I'm referring to here. Why do you keep changing the subject from people who can't afford IDs, to people who can?

>A simple background check like "have you ever been convicted of a crime or are you a known affiliate with any drug cartels or street gangs" would go a long way to helping prevent criminals from seeking sanctuary or setting up shop in the US

They already do. You think legal immigrants don't get background checks?

Right, that would be illegal in all countries. What's your point?

why do people who know nothing about politics talk about politics on the internet?

How stupid are you?fucking liberals Everytime

Nope not even close

>Because it's unconstitutional
mmm, so only in recent years has it been considered unconstitutional. All of the censuses leading up to the 2020 one were just fine to ask it, but it just so happens that now, when immigration and citizenship is such a highly debated topic to the average citizen, has it become unconstitutional.
>including the question will make non-citizens less likely to respond.
So why not double check the answer then?

>Good, they don't deserve to be counted or represented, they're fucking illegals and need to leave

So, just pretend illegal immigrants don't exist when allocating funding for law enforcement? Fucking brilliant, you really thought that one out.

An ID costs 10 fucking dollars. The only people who cannot afford IDs are the fucking homeless. Again, if money is the issue why don't your slave masters push for free IDs? They want free everything else but NEVER ask for free IDs for their slaves. But I get it, you will make any issue for why your monkey pets can't or shouldn't get fucking IDs.

Point is why does America let non citizens vote?

>They already do. You think legal immigrants don't get background checks?
Obviously I was referring to the user I was replying to, who was talking about illegals
Yes legals get background checks, nobody has a problem with legal immigration

Illegal immigrants are paying for your retirement and THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT HAHAHAHA!

bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/

No I'm saying we should deport those fucking spics. Why do they deserve to be represented in our government?

boycott voting/10
worst troll tl;dr

>An ID costs 10 fucking dollars. The only people who cannot afford IDs are the fucking homeless.

And the non-homeless who live paycheck-to-paycheck. Also one correction, a state-issued photo ID is more expensive than $10 in most states

> Again, if money is the issue why don't your slave masters push for free IDs? They want free everything else but NEVER ask for free IDs for their slaves.

They do, actually. Wisconsin allows free photo-IDs to be given out. However, you have to ask for the free version at the DMV to get it, unsurprisingly most people who need it are unaware that it exists

And that would still exclude the millions of registered voters who can't afford to go to a DMV during operating hours, or who vote via mail from home because they're disabled

Why are you more deserving? Did you make a better choice in deciding your birthplace?

>Did you make a better choice in deciding your birthplace?
My ancestors did, yes.

Lrnabout real Id you dumb nigger

So your excuse for why your monkeys can't get IDs is that they can't afford a fucking 10 dollar fee and they work literally every single day year round 24/7 and cannot go to the DMV. Is this right? What bullshit, especially when we all know the REAL reason is because your slaves don't carry IDs because they have warrants or are illegals.

>The biggest "incentive" we're providing is a low crime rate, low unemployment rate, and lack of cartel wars. Illegal immigrants don't qualify for welfare or any federal programs
Every Dem candidate wants to extend Medicare to everyone, specifically including illegal immigrants. That's a huge fucking incentive.

>How did they "use to" immigrate?
When people did not integrate, they were shunned from society, every government office, decent jobs, etc. So they learned English at higher rates than today, and made their kids learn English. They changed their names to be more American. They left huge portions of their culture behind in order to adapt and prosper here.

>Except it does. That's the average. The office is so backlogged that it takes months or years to hear back after each step
I know three people that became US citizens legally. It took them a few months to get a visa, then 3-4 years to become citizens. It can be done.

>Neat, so DREAMers deserve citizenship?
No one 'deserves' citizenship just for being here. But there should be a legal process that says, after 18 years of acting the part of a lawful citizen, you can be a citizen by taking the required tests and filling out the paperwork. But fuck the DREAMer framework, it's garbage.

>I can't imagine why people would take the path of least resistance
Because they will not be citizens, and will not get the rights associated with citizenship. Sorry user, over 80% of the population (including most foreign-born citizens) disagree with you. And the law does not support your position.

It's this. The Twitter-mob that Democrats strategists mistake for popular opinion legit think the country should be actively sabotaged. Colonialism, imperialism, neoliberal economic penetration of the developing world- their list of grievances goes on. The logical conclusion of their worldview is to slay the great dragon, or better yet, rot it from within.

As for why they think this in any way shape or form is a winning campaign issue i have no clue. Just because something is the opposite of bad orange man doesn't make it good. They are just so terrified of Twitter and the (((journos))) saying they arent woke enough.

I keep correcting you, most state-issued photo IDs cost more than $10.

>they work literally every single day year round 24/7 and cannot go to the DMV. Is this right?

Incorrect. If you work 40 hours a week, 5 days a week, and can't afford to take a day off then you can't go to the average DMV. Guess what? Millions of people can't afford to take a day off work. It's not just the fee for the ID, but also a lost day's wages

kek right , because niggers followed crackers to america and followed them to all the colonized countries in africa. Real talk why are crackers obsessed with us? Even today they still try to steal our culture and shit

>Wait a sec....taxation without representation....?
We tax non-citizens all the time. So does every other country. We also impose tariffs.

>Anyway, no one's arguing that they deserve to vote by sole virtue of paying taxes.
I argued against someone making that exact point above. Read the thread.

>Just the idea that they're getting more in benefits then they're paying into.
Back up that claim. Give me hard numbers from government sources.

>They're contributing to your medicare and social security fund despite never getting their money back.
Back up that claim. Give me hard numbers from government sources.

But your ancestors didn't decide their birthplace either. They just came through an immigrant system that was more open simply because most immigrants were white. The immigration quotas hit once most immigrants started coming from China in the 1920s

Tyrone, believe me when I tell you we are NOT obsessed with niggers, at all. In fact it would make us a lot happier if you would stop leaving your fucking containment zones in general, or better yet just leave and go back to that fucking zoo called Africa.

>soft bigotry of low expectations

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Whatcha so scared of open borders? I thought you were so superior, smarter, faster, bigger, stronger, etc. So what is there to fear?

>But your ancestors didn't decide their birthplace either.
The ones that were here in the early 1700's did
>They just came through an immigrant system that was more open simply because most immigrants were white.
America was a white country, duh, of course they would take in white people. If america was a hispanic country, or an asian country, they'd do the same.

Because 92% of the world is non-white. Whites are a minority

And? The better question is why do non-whites keep leaving their fucking containment zone countries and following us everywhere we go? Especially when we make it clear we don't want to live near you fucking monkeys.

America is a white country, tolerant of legal immigrants that integrate in small numbers, over long periods of time. The second it stops being a white country, you will notice.

they do, yesterday biden just say there should be no border. youtube.com/watch?v=lmKUF0DihxU

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I dont disagree with you guy. You're confusing me.

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>The second it stops being a white country, you will notice.
It already has been a non-white country for several decades

2% unemployment is actually a sign of an unhealthy economy because labor is a resource, if you have full employment you don't have moving labor which means hindering growth. In a capitalist setting if you aren't growing you're dying

>Every Dem candidate wants to extend Medicare to everyone, specifically including illegal immigrants. That's a huge fucking incentive.

No, they said they would provide some form of healthcare to illegals, not medicare. That means emergency room access. Illegal immigrants are already entitled to government-subsidized healthcare simply because hospitals don't check citizenship status when they unload the ambulance

>When people did not integrate, they were shunned from society, every government office, decent jobs, etc.

Ok, but they still are to an extent. Most illegal immigrants speak a working level of english because those that don't have less pickings for jobs. The ones that don't learn it quickly. And any kids they raise here are always native english speakers

economist.com/democracy-in-america/2017/08/03/immigrants-do-not-need-to-speak-english-before-they-arrive

census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-105.html

>They left huge portions of their culture behind in order to adapt and prosper here.

Except for the ones that didn't. Do you seriously think no culture was imported into the US prior? Where do you think most of our holidays come from?

>They changed their names to be more American.

This was often forced by government officials at the time

>No one 'deserves' citizenship just for being here.

But you said you did, just for being here for 18 years. Did you take any required tests to gain citizenship, or pay thousands in processing fees?

>Because they will not be citizens, and will not get the rights associated with citizenship. Sorry user, over 80% of the population (including most foreign-born citizens) disagree with you. And the law does not support your position.

What position?

So what? You're the awesomest bestest minority, what are you scared of?

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What, legal white people who we needed to help build and populate this country? With values that were very much in line with what america wanted to be? Yeah totally what is happening right now.

So...you're saying there shouldn't be mail-in ballots? Every needs to prove they can walk to drive to vote?

lol white people already can and have immigrated you retard

Yeah, should have. A bunch of noble savages killed each other and got killed by settlers whom they would try to kill. They lost. Deal with it. Immigrants coming in asking for welfare and all the benefits of a Christian white country, is totally the same thing.

>We tax non-citizens all the time. So does every other country. We also impose tariffs.

Great, so you've conceded that illegal immigrants pay taxes

>Back up that claim. Give me hard numbers from government sources.

Here you go, complete with government citations:

nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes

immigrationforum.org/article/immigrants-as-economic-contributors-immigrant-tax-contributions-and-spending-power/

pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy

In places, yes, luckily very few. Most states are not. The places that are non-white, are slums and we will fight you to the end to make sure it doesn't spread coast to coast.

just look at countries that change from white rule to black rule.

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>if you have full employment you don't have moving labor which means hindering growth.
Which means competition has to pay higher wages in order for labor to move. Any unemployment greater than 0 means companies can decrease wages since jobs are scarce. How is less than 2% worse than over 3%?

They dont

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>government sources
>nbc
>usnews
>immigration forum
>pbs
HAHAHAHAHA

name a single dem who asked for open borders

why do troglodytes like you support trump? Are you a millionaire or a retard?

Nobody can choose their own birthplace. Their parents choose it. And if they came in the 1700s then they came through open borders.

>America was a white country, duh

But it wasn't a white country, that was only the result of mass migration against the wishes of the native population, and conquest. Why are those things legitimate only when whites do it?

>So...you're saying there shouldn't be mail-in ballots? Every needs to prove they can walk to drive to vote?
Everyone needs to prove they are a full citizen, yes. Not DACA, not temporary amnesty, full citizens. Crazy right? It's almost as if I want policy that every other first world country has.

look at those cities in America that have turn >80% black/brown.

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Yet crime in America has been declining for the past 30 years, despite it becoming less white during the same period. Or, because it became less white

HMMMMM

Oh cool, you didn't feel like read the citations? You know those links in the articles? You can click them.

as if the republican party had non WASPs in it

all the presidential candidates of the democrats.
youtube.com/watch?v=lmKUF0DihxU

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>Everyone needs to prove they are a full citizen, yes. Not DACA, not temporary amnesty, full citizens. Crazy right? It's almost as if I want policy that every other first world country has.

I agree. But it's not necessary to physically travel to a DMV to prove citizenship, as opposed to traveling to a polling place, local government building, or registering by mail

>Nobody can choose their own birthplace. Their parents choose it.
And beaner/spics parents chose mexico and central america. Your point?
>But it wasn't a white country, that was only the result of mass migration against the wishes of the native population, and conquest. Why are those things legitimate only when whites do it?
It's legitimate when any people do it, natives just lost the battle. Cope

>I LITERALLY CAN'T READ

Let me help you out then:

itep.org/wp-content/uploads/immigration2016.pdf

I don't think someone who hides in an echo chamber has any authority to claim what makes up the modern Republican party. You guys are so awful, you're pushing moderates to the Conservative side.

We'll show you in 2020. Meltdown imminent.

>And beaner/spics parents chose mexico and central america. Your point?

But they didn't choose it. They didn't have any legal option to immigrate to America. You're saying its their fault for not illegally immigrating decades ago?

>It's legitimate when any people do it, natives just lost the battle. Cope

So, you find a violent foreign invasion morally acceptable. Neat! But why are you unable to "cope" with nonviolent migrations?

It means that people can't do things to diversify and expand your economy like start a buisness, that will invariably tend to cause monopolies in any section and then your salaries are still going to go down

>No, they said they would provide some form of healthcare to illegals, not medicare.
Most say the following:
>medicare should replace private health insurance
>provide standard medical (in this case medicare) to illegals
>stop enforcing US border, to a large (or greater) degree

What you're doing is taking a very disingenuous view of their statements. or you're simply not following the trainwreck of the Dem primaries

>Ok, but they still are to an extent.
Good. They should work their way up. No one should come here and get a free ride. Come here, work, pay taxes, learn English, then your life gets better. Fair enough?

>And any kids they raise here are always native english speakers
Sorry, I lived in CA for 13 years. This is not true a good percentage of the time.

>Do you seriously think no culture was imported into the US prior?
Nope, I said huge portions. They adapted, and we adapted to them, As we all should. it makes us all better. But when you basically get Mexico or Vietnam popping up in CA, no English in sight, just like you're in a foreign country, that's zero integration.

>This was often forced by government officials at the time
Sometimes. But most people did it willingly.

>But you said you did, just for being here for 18 years.
I did. But using the word 'deserve' is ridiculous. That's putting moral value on a legal solution to a problem.

>Did you take any required tests to gain citizenship, or pay thousands in processing fees?
Nope. That's the benefit of being born in a country, regardless of where it is. Being a US citizen is not a right to anyone that is not born here. That's the law, deal with it.

pt. 2 coming...

>You guys are so awful, you're pushing moderates to the Conservative side.
Voted Obama twice, Trump isn't ideal, but he's fuck well better than the leftist platform.

>They didn't have any legal option to immigrate to America.
They did before white people came here, but whites beat them to it.
>So, you find a violent foreign invasion morally acceptable.
We only met violence with violence. Not to mention the diseases natives died from en masse. Natural selection at it's finest.
> But why are you unable to "cope" with nonviolent migrations?
>nonviolent
>

>What position?=
Your apparent position is that it should be way easier to become a US citizen. I disagree, so do most people in the US. I think the system should be overhauled:
>normalize requirements
>make the system more efficient: faster and cheaper
>strict limitations on quantity and origins of immigrants
>allow citizenship path for illegals
>if they register and get ID
>commit no felonies
>attend US schools or work for 18 years
>then they can pay to take citizenship tests
>including functional English
>and thorough civics testing

And if they do all that, they will have worked for it. And they will be proud of it. Instead of the Dem approach of giving out freebies to everyone who wants in, which seems to just breed hostility to Americans and the US in general.

>It means that people can't do things to diversify and expand your economy like start a buisness
The businesses that deserve to succeed will, either by the free market, or the planned economy via the will of the populace.
>that will invariably tend to cause monopolies in any section and then your salaries are still going to go down
see planned economies

I'm on Yea Forums talking to retards like you on a thread asking a dumb question, who's in a echo chamber here?
Also you are right I don't have the authority but polls do, republicans have lost the popluar vote 3 times in a row and win specifically because of the straight old white male demographic.
You can see this pretty clearly in congress republicans are all except one male, but all white and all straight and probably christian too

>Great, so you've conceded that illegal immigrants pay taxes
Yes. Sales tax. Just like legal visitors pay. This gives them no special rights. It does not entitle them to a vote. You dense motherfucker.

>Here you go, complete with government citations:
>government
>nbcnews.com
>usnews.com
>immigrationforum.org
>pbs.org
Confirmed: dense motherfucker.

why? Give me one area where you think he is better than Bernie

young white men are voting republicans too.

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so you're not a capitalist? I don't disagree, as I said this is a problem in a capitalist setting, but I didn't expect it from what you said, are you a nazbol or some variant of it?

Bernie will taxed the hell out of white people to give gibs to POC.

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kek republicans are diversifying they have old white men and they are getting YOUNG?! white men, diverse party!

The $15 minimum wage will result is massive layoffs by small companies. It's like this:
>company has a payroll budget
>suddenly no one can make less than $15
>suddenly the guy who's been here for five years needs a raise because the untrained new guys now make what he makes
>suddenly that guy's supervisor needs a raise because now the five year guy makes what the supervisor makes
>suddenly the project manager needs a raise because now the supervisor is making what the project manager makes
>payroll budget now exceeds profit margin
OR
>people making near $15 get bumped up to $15
>people making $8-$12 get laid off
>everybody else gets bumped 10%
>payroll budget hasn't changed

Bernie is a communist who didn't have his first job till he was 40 like wtf

Any democrat is on the same platform, makes zero difference which one it is. They want as near to open borders as possible, ban guns and kill off whitey. They care only about their political power, everything else is smoke and mirrors. The left isn't an opposing political party, they are my enemy. An enemy to anyone that gives the slightest shit about the West, it's people or it's culture.

If you voted Obama twice why not vote Biden? His whole schtick is that he was Obama's vp

>itep.org/wp-content/uploads/immigration2016.pdf
Let's take CA as an example, from this doc:
>$3.1 billion in local taxes (sales, etc., all taxes paid)
>3 million illegals
>so a bit over $1033 in taxes paid per person in a year
>NOT net, this is the total they pay into the system on average
1. That's significantly less than a visaed traveler pays out on an average visit to CA. And that traveler does not receive any benefits.
2. If you think that an illegal costs the state of CA less than $86 a month, you're fucking retarded.

Maybe you should read the documents you link instead of just reading the biased news article.

>I don't disagree, as I said this is a problem in a capitalist setting
Ok, that's what I thought you meant too, but I didnt bother to ask further becasue I'm just lazy after responding to all these retard lefties itt.
And I'm not against private property in of itself, I'm just against aggressive exploitation. I'm against global capitalism. I am against international banking, I'm against free trade of goods and labor. I am pro-nation, I am pro racial/ethnic-autarchy. I'm pretty much a nazi/fascist.

I always thought Biden was a demented old bat.

If you can't pay your employees appropriately you should let them go, it's a fact of life

because jews hate white people obvi

In a nutshell.

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