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The marines have flamethrowers and fuel to last 900 octillion years, after that its handguns and boots.
The fight takes place on an infinite flat field, obviously not in this universe so no black holes and shit. The marines start in 1 group and the ants come from all directions (by foot) untill 1 team is 100% dead.
No death by hunger, dehydration, old age or disease but the marines still need sleep. No reproduction either.
Which team would win and why?
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900 octillion years is not enought, so ants will win
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The ants would win. Graham's number is too big of a number
By default since you gave the marines enough fuel for 900 octillion years, the number of atoms increased and is proportionately reflected in Graham's number. Goddammit nigger...the universe is literally ants equal to its collective atomic mass now. Yes, the fucking ants win.
You have to factor in the googoplex of marines as well. Same result though.
Googlepex of marines because a gram of antsis only like 3000 ants
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Best answer so far was marines:
>marines could survive indefinitely against infinite ants
>they have plenty of time to devise unstoppable defenses
>repurpose/refine ant corpses
>use nearly infinite ants as an endless energy source
>create fully automated and self replicating ant-hunting bots
>10^100^100^100 brojobs to pass the time
The correct answer is entirely based on sustainability. The marines have the means to hold out literally forever.
i do like that answer, but the argument for "science" is a little silly, they dont have education and they dont have the raw materials, they dont have gold for example.
If you were to prove that it was possible, i would concede that it was also likely (given the huge numbers), but i would not concede that these marines would have the patience (or luck) to remain alive for an infinity, if they did not kill themselves on purpose, they would do so by accident, they do after all have flamethrowers, handguns and sharp objects.
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>they dont have education and they dont have the raw materials
They have time and people. If the marines are a cross-section of the whole organization, there's no one under 85 IQ, and the generals are up st 150. Thrre are more people there at 150+ IQ than have ever existed on Earth. More than all the living beings that have ever existed on Earth. They can reinvent science from scratch.
There are trace minerals in ants that can be extracted out. Enough to last forever.
As for willpower to stay alive, that's the only real question that matters. If they can't get sick, maybe that includes mentally ill. I mean, the ants don't lose patience or drive when crossing the endless plane, so that's fair. Other than that, theh could lock a marine up in a mile of ant-mineral steel, and let him be their win, after the automated defenses are all going.
Google plex with all flamethrower? Hmm would be a fair challenge if we're able to position those marines tactically. Otherwise thy kill the self faster than the ants, no challange.
How long do you think it would take them to make fully automated defences that resupplies (and repairs) automatically by gathering and using ant corpses?
My guess is a lot longer than it takes for them to accidentally blow their fuel tanks.
How long do you think it would take for these automated defences to malfunction? i would guess much sooner than the last ant dies.
How does the locked up marine get oxygen?
I really like this argument, but it just falls short on so many areas.
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how does that answer the question?
all they said was "thats more ants than universe"
First of all its not taking place in this universe and if it was that argument would be irrelevant because the marines alone wont fit inside the universe.
10^googol aka 10^(10^100) a number to predict the amount of helium atoms in the sum (completely retarded) but if we can place the marines in cirkels of 10 meters each from each other and if the ants are placed and replaced in the same cirkle I bet it will be the marines. Otherwise the marines will kill themselfs
So the theory is retarded
and ants wouldnt fit in the circles.
also notice how its "circle" and not fucking "cirkel"
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This thread was never cool, i just did it BEFORE REDDIT!
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The Marines. Had you said Rayo's number It would be the ants because they would fill up the entire universe top to bottom.
just a googolplex or marines fills the universe...
are you stupid?
No it doesn't. Do you know the mass of the entire universe? It would even fill up that black hole we discovered
The ants. By such a large degree it's almost unimaginable. Both Graham's Number and a Googolplex are incredibly large numbers. But the difference in scale is enormous. Graham's number can't even be written down in any sort of normal notation because it's so big. You could put the ants up against 1 marine or a googolplex of them and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to the ants.
Googolplex wouldn't fill up the black hole
>How long do you think it would take them to make fully automated defences that resupplies (and repairs) automatically by gathering and using ant corpses?
1000 years, max. We can already do this about 90% of the way. All they have to do is pool their intelligent population together. Trial and error. Make tools, make forged and ant refineries, make computers, blah blah. We did all this in 200 years with: no common enem, less population, a deficit mentality, governments collapsing. They'd have a better time of it than we did.
>accidentally blow their fuel tanks.
All of them? Come on, they seeing that retarded.
>automated defences to malfunction?
They would self-replicatd and self-recycle. Make them 'smart' enough to do this and nothing else. With the right, simple programming and being completely decentralized, it would never fail. We can already do this with software (recursive programming that recalls itself constantly with no failures).
The marine could be set up behind a billion one-way membranes that can move oxygen in one direction, but no other materials. Same for the other direction, with CO2. Or some other equal system. It could be completely impenetrable, even if the ants knew he was in there.
do you know the mass of a googolplex of marines?
my guess would be a BIG FAT NO!
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I actually do. I think you need to learn more about numbers, kid.
Ants would win, if it wasn't for the fact that gravity would kill all of them. Graham's number is so high that it required a new notation to write down. I have to say though, this question is very Reddit.
You do? then why dont you compare the 2 numbers.
Which is bigger and how much bigger? Go ahead.
Marines win
>marines kill some marines
>extract calcium carbonate from bones
>make chalk
>draw a big-ass chalk circle around perimeter
>ants went cross a chalk line
>???
>profit
How can the marines win if they cant breath in space. Googolplex of marines wouldn't fit on the earth and 99% would die
Marines dont have science books or science teachers, they would have to start from scratch, Also the marines in the middle wouldnt see a need to come up with such devices and even if they did, it would be to kill other marines.
We are a war like people and given that many ppl and that much time, wars would happen.
Blowing a fuel tank is just one of the possible fatal accidents, but given 900 octillion years, its quite likely if not inevitable, meanwhile it will take a lot longer than 900 octillion years to kill all the ants, no matter what kind of technology they come up with.
You can come up with science fiction all day, but it will remain science fiction untill you just proving stuff.
Also how many marines would die from friendly fire?
given enough time (and i think we have enough time), all of them, well maybe all of them minus 1.
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The marines setup a perimeter and just point the flamethrowers outwards, jame a stick or whatever this infinite plane has laying around to keep trigger going. Then they just wait for the ant to come towards them. The marines would win, it's the only possibility. Number of forces don't mean anything when we are talking about marines that don't need to breathe, eat, drink, get old, or get sick. Nothing is mentioned of the ants being similarly invincible. All that is required is for the 900 octillion years of fuel to keep going.
Heres a hint, ants are flammable. Just one fwoosh and the fire spreads from ant to ant, the sie of the inferno grows geometrically until it engulfs their entire population however millions of kilometers away from teh first igniting spark was cast. There is enough ants to ensure the flames continue to rage long after the fuel is spent.
Even at the rate of trillions of ant per nano second or even 1/500000000000 of a nano second. it would take several decillion to burn all of them
The fire still grows outward burning them all, trillions per nano second is nothing once the ring of fire grows big enough. The marines are just chilling, waiting. Maybe at the end of eternity they will have a few billion ants to kill, but they will still have plenty of fuel because they most likely will shut off the flame thrower perimeter once no ants or blaze can be seen on the horizon any longer.
You have no idea the size of graham's number there is no such thing as "all" when it comes to that number.
marines will get depressed what nonsense it is and suicide after a year max
This is the correct answer. They will realize it will take several eternity's to kill that many
You seem to be ignoring the fact that we are discussing graham's number, and fire. You are wrong, and obviously very stupid as well. Please view the attached picture, hopefully it will explain to you better.
The grey in center represents the marines.
The person I'm replying to is a stupid fucking retard nigger.
The reddishbrown/black represent ants.
The yellow ring represents the fire, which is growing outwardly, and as it grow from 1km radius to 2km radius, 2km is bigger than 1km.
and as it grows from 2km to 3km radius, it is bigger than 2km.
and as it grows from 3km to 3.0000000011km it is bigger than 3km.
and as it grows from 3.0000000011km to 3.0000000011000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001km it is bigger than 3.0000000011km
and so on, until all or most ants are gone. Grahams number doesn't change, and the amount of ants dwindles as they are consumed by fire, yet the fire only gets bigger.
Woah dude chill out sounds like you are about to have a Cardiac Malfunction.
ants burn with and endrothermic reaction, meaning they ABSORB heat, instead of releasing it, the fire wouldnt spread from ant to ant and even if it did, it wouldnt in this situation because it would no longer be a battle between ants and marines, but between marines and boredom and accidents.
Ants would still win btw.
Also ad hominem attacks don't prove your point just shows you are a low IQ baby.
Yeah the dumbass I replied to is mental.
For a typical human of 70 kg, there are almost 7*1027
Graham's number is bigger the number of atoms in the observable Universe.
So there would be no amount of time no matter what the marines did to the ants. Also a lot of them would have PTSD from just seeing that many
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You still have no concept of how big of a number graham's number is.
im OP, i think i have a better grasp on it than you do.
Just because you posted this doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
and because you posted that doesnt mean i dont.
I take it you failed your first aid program. Cally typing out a simple explanation is not exactly a cardinal sign of any kind of heart problems.
This is a universe with no black holes and invincible marines that only need sleep to survive. I'm pretty sure ants release heat upon being caught on fire. AT the very least there was nothing in the OP to suggest they don't.
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For anyone saying a googolplex of marines, you are fucking retarded or american, in which case retarded again. Go fucking read a book and learn how big of a number graham's number is!
>I'm pretty sure ants release heat upon being caught on fire.
well that just makes you look even stupider because they dont, look it up.
And as mentioned before, EVEN IF the fire spread, the ants would STILL win.
You are an idiot.
Wrong. You can't win this one so I don't know why you keep trying. There must be more going on here than just the sever mental retardation. This is a universe without black holes. Don't try to pretend like physics has nothing to do with the discussion here.
Why would fire spread if there are no physics?
I can tell your blood pressure is up from your anger.
here's my take the ants clearly outnumber the marines , but if they are just worker ants the marines would simply have to hold out for a couple months then they will all die. if there happens to be a queen , all the marines have to do is find the queen , then hold out.
"finding one queen in an almost infinity amount of ants'
Wow you are a dumbass
Lets say each marine could kill g_63 ants with 1 gram of flame thrower fuel and after that a googolplex ants per second stomping for another 900 octillon years after which he's exhausted. Ants would then win.
Why would ants exist if there are no physics?
Stop projecting, nigger mcfartybutt
Interesting take on the subject, and one I hadn't considered. Not sure if hive dynamics work the same but that many ants it can still be assumed there is some kind of leadership. I like where you are going with this.
What if the marines made a really pretty ant doll, even prettier than their queen. Hellant of Marine Corps. With any luck a schism could form and if half the ants are won over then it's half the ants vs half the ants + all the marines. Once the enemy ants are wiped out another agent places another pretty ant doll queen and the cycle repeats, halving their forces each time. Psyops can be far more powerful a weapon than just flamethrowers, which are primarily a psychological weapon when used against living things anyway.
The stick always wins.
Grahams number is insanely larger than googolplex, so, simplified, it's practically 1 marine vs infinite ants. Ants would win. There is more than a factor googolplex more of them.
However since there's not 1 but a Googolplex of marines, and they stand in a group, the proces would take a long time. Much, much longer than 900 octillion years. The marines in the centre would have to wait that time. It's pretty safe to say the sterile, young, non-hungry mariners in the centre would die of boredom. Or kill each other. The human brain just can't take that. Or they create a civilization and enjoy themselves for billions of years. who can say? The ants are so far away they're irrelevant.
The marines have flamethrowers and fuel to last 900 octillion years, after that its handguns and boots.
The fight takes place on an infinite flat field, obviously not in this universe so no black holes and shit. The marines start in 1 group and the ants come from all directions (by foot) untill 1 team is 100% dead.
No death by hunger, dehydration, old age or disease but the marines still need sleep. No reproduction either.
Lastly, the amount of mass involved in your strange infinite flat field universe would do weird things with gravity. So yes, a near instant black hole. Which you ruled out (along with shit, which makes sense since they don't eat). If the black hole doesn't happen because of other universe different laws of nature, then there's really no telling what would happen.
Both loose. Ants would be dead in a week. All of them, marines wouldn't have to kill a single ant either. And that's assuming there was just poof, massive number of ants. All the Marines would have to do is hold out for a few days.
But the Marines would be dead shortly after anyway. All of them. So it's a moot point.
The circle made by ants closing in would get smaller and smaller, being pushed by ants behind them, so they can stack up. The ant front would eventually be a wave, many kilometers high (more than a googolplex kilometers actually). Most of that wave would be compressed neutrons (stuff that neutron stars are made of) or quark soup (it would become a black hole in our universe, but TO rules that out). The marines can't defends against that. Luckily for them it will take a long time to reach the centre. Many times the current life of our universe.
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>>No death by hunger, dehydration, old age or disease but the marines still need sleep. No reproduction either.
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You actually can write the Graham's number down in a formal notation. It's not even that long. I lack the symbols to do it here properly, but a rough approximation is: G=g64, where gn=3^^^^3 if n=1 and 3(^gn-1)3 if n>1. ^ here stands for Knuth's up-arrow, not (necessarily, and not here) for exponentiation. n is also a positive integer.
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A Googolplex is also bigger than the number of atoms in the observable universe. You vastly understate the size of Graham's number.
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I said normal notation, not formal notation. I'm aware there are methods of writing it down, but they're highly technical and pretty unknown outside the mathematics community.
Oh my, I'm sorry. I misread your post, my bad.
But, I haven't weighed in on the actual problem yet: The ants win trivially. The previous iterations gave the marines infinite fuel, and that wasn't enough to stem the tide of fluid dynamics causing catastrophic tidal waves of ants from building up and crushing the marine frobt lines over and over again. Now they only have finite fuel, which the ants easily outlast.
Also, no, the ants don't all catch fire. That's retarded and shows you know nothing of physics.
The ants win since the fight is on land, marines need water
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