Why didn't Gandolf use his faggy wizard spells to convince the eagles to fly Frodo to Mordor...

It’s called a plot hole user most forms of media have them

But they flew there anyway and fought the Nazgul, which is just as dangerous. So if they were gonna go to Mordor either way why not take Frodo with them?
No it just didn't make sense a lot of it. I still enjoyed it though.

Was he retarded?
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Not true. There weren't any plot holes in harry potter, for example.

Because Tolkien wanted to drag the story on for as long as he could. I made it to return of the king and stopped reading due to the fucking slow ass pace of the story. There have been a few books that I've fallen asleep reading and the lord of the rings is top tier for slow ass story telling.

I've never read it but I do plan on reading the Silmarillion, hoping this shit makes more sense after I do

>2025 - 6
>Talking about the D&D shit like it matters.

Then make something that's as good as this, because up to this point everything else has been shit.

I loved the Hobbit it had good pacing, lots going on and was just a better overall story. I'm done with Tolkien...

I feel like there's no point in reading any of those books since I've already seen the movies. I might still do it though.

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If the eye seeing them was a problem they could've flew low and around the mountains. Even if he did see it why would it matter? The Nazgul was already heading to Frodo's house on horses.

1) Because Eagles are proud creatures and not the servants of men.
2) Wizards aren't goddamn Jedi
3) Flying the ring would have been detected by of Sauron's spies pretty quickly, and the Nazgul were too much of a threat to risk.

I'd debate that with you but I've never watched any of this bullshit, and it's not worth the time investment just so I can argue properly with a bunch of renaissance fair faggots on the internet.

>Screenwriting

They were books first you dumb shit.

It has nothing to do with being a taxi service. All you have to do is give them something in return, like a lifetime supply of fried cat.

Yes.

1. Eagles are animals and can be tamed. Hence Gandolf should've used his faggy wizard magic.
2. no but he still used them to fly around
3. The nazgul were on horses to Frodo's house and they fly too fast to be shot down by arrows

Eh they're not bad movies, just way too many plot holes and shit that flat out didn't make any sense

>>But they flew there anyway and fought the Nazgul, which is just as dangerous. So if they were gonna go to Mordor either way why not take Frodo with them?

That's the big hole, really. I mean, you could easily say that the risk was too high and the skies over Mordor were patrolled by Dragons, wraiths, whatever, but they went there - it was that action that created the plot hole.

Eagles are servants of the Gods much like the wizards are, basically low tier angels, and it was forbidden to directly help men from the high god (who's name I don't remember). Gandolf was basically breaking the rules aiding as much as he did and was asking the Eagles to do the same ... who basically did as much as they felt they could get away with early on in the Hobbit book.

That deceptive help also explains why Gandolf was strong enough to take on a Balrog yet in the books most his spells seem pretty pansy and passive. In many was he's like Tolkien's Loki pushing the rules.

That's what I'm saying. That shit doesn't make any fucking sense I'm sorry. People say they didn't give a fuck or they would've been spotted but they ended up in Mordor while the eye was still alive.

I thought the elves were suppose to be the servants of the gods? And what rules are you talking about?

Also
>Balrog
Another major plot hole. If he had wings why didn't he use them to fly? Instead he free falls like a dumb faggot.

>1. Eagles are animals and can be tamed
Try that with Middle Earth Eagles and they'd rip yo face off
>no but he still used them to fly around
Because he's personally friends with them. It's possible they wouldn't have given a shit about destroying the ring, but even if they did, risking Sauron's wrath would have been a great deal to ask when they were already largely disinterested in the affairs of men.
> The nazgul were on horses
To keep a relatively low profile
> they fly too fast to be shot down by arrows
source?

The only other possibility is the idea that the Eagles may have been susceptible to the ring's power. This is, after all, the reason a Hobbit had to take it in the first place.

i was down with the catapult idea myself, that was cool

What's makes it even worse is that all the men marched to Mordor with the eagles and without the elves and drew out saurons army, making literally everything that happened up to that point a complete waste of time. If that's all they needed to do why the hell didn't they do that from the start? Imo that's the biggest plot hole in the entire series.

>If he had wings why didn't he use them to fly?
Tolkien never really fleshed what Balrogs were capable of, or even how big they were or what they looked like.

Hobbits took the ring by themselves because any other creature that might try would have been corrupted by it 100%. Hobbits alone had enough resistance to even have a chance. Without destroying the ring, Sauron was too powerful, and none of those losses would have even mattered.

Elves were stuwards of the 2nd age, created to raise men and guide them to thier place as rulers of the 3rd age.

The 5 Wizards are legit Angels in the books. Thats why they go by an alternate name of Maiar, which are lesser Valar (who are the gods).

The Eagles are similar to the Ents in that they are considered guardians, only to animal life instead of plant life. They are the servants of Manwe.

Balrogs were the generals of Sauron. The books never made it clear if the Balrogs could actually fly at all but I guess thats a fair point. Come to think oif it I cant think of a single story that every implied the Balrog could fly at all ... wings just look cool and evil.

But they ended up in Mordor either way so clearly they didn't give a fuck about Sauron or the Nazgul. And shooting down a moving bird is incredibly difficult even for a marksmen.
But the eagle can't carry a ring. How would they take the ring?
Thank you, this is what I mean this shit makes no fucking sense at all

No, they did not show up with the eagles. THe eagles joined in on thier own ccord when it was deemed the final battle. Otherwise they would have helped during the siege of Isengard

>>How would they take the ring?
Held under the dorsal guiding feathers.

There's a lesson in the journey.... Can't fast travel to unknown locations either

In any case, it would make sense that the only creatures Gandolf would trust with the ring at all would be Hobbits. The ring was tremendously powerful. Plot hole is closed. /thread.

>they didn't give a fuck about Sauron or the Nazgul
You....didn't watch the movies or read the books did you? The whole point of the fellowship was to have a very small but capable force escort the ring bearer, but they quickly disband because of it's corruptive powers.
>And shooting down a moving bird is incredibly difficult even for a marksmen
A large eagle is vulnerable to many archers at once. But the whole point is the Nazgul coming for them in the air.

Because that would have been a lame ass book/movie series.

>has wings
>falls to death

You're 15 years late to the debate my man..
You wouldn't have liked lord of the ring if they simply flew the eagles to Mordor and instakilled sauron, noone would, because that would have been a shitty story.

Maybe he forgot about the minor plothole when writing the end, maybe it was completely logical in his head, maybe the eagles didn't wanna be involved until they realised what a threat Saurin was to them.
Who knows, I think it would have been better if Frodo and Sam died, but I'm not the mastermind behind the books.

Every book has some plot holes, the authors can have amazing imagination and creativity like tolkien. But when writing something over several years, they can't remember or think of everything in their fictional universe

What plot holes are in Harry Potter?

This is the kind of shit that happens when you don't use the snowflake method.

Fucking retards.
People always say this bullshit.
>you see that big fucking eye?
>it’s watching your flight of eagles and will send wyverns to intercept
>great now it has the ring

Horrible plan

How should in know that, just because I claim most writers write some plotholes, doesn't mean I'm some encyclopedia on potholes.
Give some sort of argument if your gonna argue, instead of asking some question about something completely unrelated to make some zinger
>wowie he didn't say a plothole from my specific excample, proving my nonexistent point