If Gandolf knew the whole time they could've flew there and called them fools for not doing so, then why the fuck didn't he do that from the start? What was the point of making Frodo walk to Mount Doom?
If Gandolf knew the whole time they could've flew there and called them fools for not doing so...
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He knew and tried to tell them right when he died he said "Fly, you fools!"
because there would have been no plot, and no book(s)
The eye would've seen the eagles in the sky and killed them, since Frodo and the others were less likely to be seen on fot, the safest route was the slowest route. Hope this helps.
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But that's what I'm saying, if he knew that why the fuck didn't he bring that up in the meeting? Or at the beginning and telling Frodo to go to the Inn when they should've flew right then and there. Shit makes no sense.
The eagles couldn’t fly there before the ring was destroyed because the eye of Sauron would have seen them. They are rescued off of Mount Doom after it has been destroyed.
Now fuck off before I destroy your ring.
If that were true then how do you explain Gandolf flying OUT of Mordor without being killed? And how would the eye kill them exactly? They could've flew over mount doom and dropped in the ring.
They couldn't have just flown to Mount Doom.
And so what if he would've seen them? He don't do shit about it
When did gandalf fly out of Mordor? Do you mean Isengard?
one does not simply fly the ring to mount doom
Why not?
Yeah, the eye didn't kill him so how do you explain that?
>Isengard
No that was Mordor
Because LOTR is fucking stupid and you're all nerds for reading that shit
The eye isn't fucking in Isengard you retard
But he surely saw him fly away did he not? So why didn't he kill him?
Gandalf was never in Mordor, when he escapes the top of the tower, he was in Isengard
Fucking stupid compared to what? That faggy bullshit Marvel?
Because the eye wasn't near, nor were any airborne enemies such as the Ring Wraiths
Marvel is way fucking cooler than LOTR
For as much as LOTR has been ripped off, it really wasn't that good in the first place
It still doesn't change the fact they should've flew in without any issues. If the eye seeing them was a problem so they could've just flew low. It still makes no sense.
Because it’s not the actual eye that would kill them retard. It would have been the Nazgul on the Fellbeasts.
How the fuck can you not understand a plot written for fucking children?
I’m pretty sure you’re just trolling us user...
That's Dumbledore madarchod
Sure it is, if you're an 11 year old faglord. Must be why you like that gay shit so much.
If you read the books you find that the Eagles are pretty neutral to the whole thing... just like the Ents and really only throw Gandalf the occasional bone.
Not everyone in Middle Earth felt the threat of Mordor equally.
Flying low or high makes no difference, the best of Sauron's defenses were in Mordor, the eagles could only fly freely in there after the eye tower was destroyed.
>How the fuck can you not understand a plot written for fucking children?
Yeah there's no fucking way LOTR is intended for children
>Why not?
Because it's not that easy.
First of all, the Eagles only retrieve Frodo and Sam after the ring is destroyed; they can't just fly into Mordor when Sauron's power is still strong.
and as it explains in the books:
Their best chance of destroying the ring was through stealth rather than force. The last time Sauron was "destroyed" it took over 7 years with better armies than they had at the time that the story takes place.
How would the fucking Nazgul kill them when they were already heading to Frodo's house on horseback? What would they gonna do, teleport back to Mordor?
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The point? There wouldn't have been a story otherwise. Additionally, the great eagles were unwilling until the power there was defeated. When the ring went into the fire, the power was defeated.
nigger the eye could see everything only two faggot litle hobbits could pass mordor
>flew low
It’s not a fucking radar, cunt. That mother fucker sees everything, hence why Frodo and Sam have to avoid its gaze while climbing mount doom.
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By the way that's another plot hole. If the Nazgul have access to eagles then why the fuck would they bother riding horses instead of flying to Frodo's house?
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He sees everything but somehow missed that the ring was at Frodo's house, and had to torture someone to get that information. Why can't you fags just admit that the LOTR is a poorly written story with dozens of holes?
Have you even read that shit user? It’s basic as fuck.
omitted comma, another "should've flew"
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"could've flew," misspelling Gandalf, never called them fools for not flying there
Dude, you've got to be an adult to post here. Your 5th grade grammar skills betray you.
Well, they inspected the shire because of the faint prescence of the ring, I don't think they'd send the full force of flying Nazgul to the shirt to stomp around, horses will do fine.
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Right, so they put Frodo on an eagle and he flies over Mount Doom and drops in the ring. What's the problem?
he knew frodo had the ring faggot thats why in the end frodo got possesed by sauron absolute nigger neck
Gandalf follows a strict code about interference and guidance, it probably would have violated his oath if he directed them in such a way.
The eagle isn't stealthy, Sauron would have a response
He doesn't see everything. "Even the very wise can not see all ends." He spent 17 years hunting down Golem.
Well Ganondorf is a massive faggot
But horses are way slower so that doesn't add up. I just find it funny how Gandolf didn't bring up the eagles during their faggy meeting with the elfs, then gets salty with them before dying because they didn't fly there. So why the fuck didn't you say something before?
He may not see everything but he would see an eagle flying over Mordor
What response? "Hey give me my ring goddamnit". Seriously, what can he do about it?
Because the Eagles are neutral
>why the fuck would they bother riding horses instead of flying to Frodo's house?
It's in the books.
Sauron doesn't let the winged Nazgul cross the Anduin until a specific time in his grand scheme, most likely for discretion.
Fly you fools
Flying Nazgul, those bat things too from the hobbit series
If you read the books it actually talks about the eagles not liking or trusting men because the men hunted most of the great eagles and they'd have to fly over areas occupied by hunters. The great eagle leader took great convincing to retrieve Frodo but owed Gandalf and since the ring was destroyed they owed the hobbits one too.
What the hell does that mean?
You do realise when he says “fly, you fools, fly” he literally means run...
The Eagles belong to the Valar Manwe, the valar are even worse than elves about giving a shit. They essentially wanted the world to play out without their interference and for the service frodo provided by destroying sauron, manwe sent the eagles to save the ring bearer(s) (since sam got saved as well.)
The Nazgul were already heading to Frodo's house. By the time they would've gotten back to Mordor it would be too late.
Like the ents, they don’t tend to get involved in the affairs of men.
because the nazgul were not allowed to fly across the anduin.
They didn't have to use an eagle. They could've also used that giant fly thing that Gandolf used to escape Mordor.
No he meant literally they should've flew there
Lol
That was an eagle, and that was in Isengard
But that's fucking retarded. This is like saying "oh yeah we have planes but we're gonna DRIVE there anyway".
Bullshit. How the fuck would they fly there. At that point nobody but Gandalf knows of the eagles.
Well, horseback is more discrete than flying Nazgul. let's be honest
He wasn't telling them to get on the eagles and fly to Mordor. The Eye of Sauron would have seen the eagles. In English, "to fly" can also mean "to flee" or "to escape". He was telling them to get the fuck to Moria as quickly as possible
That was NOT an eagle. It was a flying bug he turned into a giant bug to escape. Also I'm pretty sure that was Mordor.
Bilbo knew abut the eagles, Gimli probably did too since his Father was in the Hobbit series
The eagles would of been corrupted by the one ring being that close. It would of made them kill Frodo and take it to the eye. And even if they didn’t, as soon as they got to Mordor all hell would of broken loose and they’d be killed.
No it's not.
It's explained better in the books, I'm just too dumb to explain it well enough.
He used the moth to communicate to the eagles, then one came and picked him up like an Uber, go rewatch
Why would Sauron give a fuck about the Nazgul being discrete? That doesn't even make sense. And how is going to an Inn and stabbing a bed and then flipping out "discrete"?
Then why the hell didn't he do that from the start? Then they could've flew straight to Mordor
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Because to most of the modern men in the series, the Nazgul weren't well known. A flying dragon thing passing Anduin and such would've sparked some shit knomsayin
Because the Eagles would've been killed in the attempt to fly over, god you're stupid
Why the fuck would he say "fly you fool" and reference they fucking walking to Mordor? Especially when he knew about the Eagles. How does that make sense to you?
It would of United man against him and then you’d have 7 year war v2.
Then why didn't he say "run you fools" instead of fly? And again, what difference would it make if the eye sees them flying into mordor? He can't do anything unless they put on the ring.
The ring can't corrupt a fucking animal. Now you're just being a retard.
Killed by who?
>the Nazgul weren't well known
So?
Just because it's not over complicated does not mean it's created for children. Do you consider Game of Thrones a show for kids?
Because "fly" can be used as a synonym for "flee" or "escape". He was telling them to flee to Moria. Regardless, if the Eye saw them flying into Mordor, they would be taken down by Sauron's forces. Not to mention that the eagles wouldn't have wanted to fly them there in the first place
Which force would kill them? They move too fast to be shot down by arrows and the Nazgul were heading to Frodo's house on horseback. Who was going to stop them?
Wait, why not? Humans are animals, and the Ring can corrupt humans. It can also corrupt hobbits. Why would the Great Eagles be exempt from its influence?
because, if you're not a complete fucking dipshit, you'd realize he said the exact same fucking thing moments earlier. it meant the exact same thing: to fucking run.
He also keeps saying that Gandalf flew out of Mordor. It's good bait.
Humans are animals? What are you fucking talking about? Are you 5?
Possibly fell beasts or just a shit ton of arrows. Keep in mind that the last time Sauron got taken down by force, it took years and massive armies to do it. In any case, and this is really important, THE EAGLES WOULDN'T GIVE ENOUGH OF A SHIT TO FLY THEM THERE
No it does not mean that. If I say I'm cooking a steak and then hand you a fucking chicken beast, is that the same thing? Clearly not.
I vaguely recall something like: "...with the destruction of The One Ring, Sauron's flying abominations burst on fire, so that the air way into Mordor is free".
So, basically, flying there would not be possible before the destruction of The One Ring.
If the eagles didn't give a fuck then why did they agree to fly them there at all? That doesnt make ANY fucking sense.
But they flew into Mordor WITH the ring, so that theory doesn't add up
Humans are among the organisms which form the kingdom Animalia, so yeah, humans are animals. We're multicellular and eukaryotic. Did you skip your high school biology class, retard?
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>humans are animals
Humans are not animals. Is this what passes for public education in your state? I'm guessing you live in Alabama.
All they had to do to defeat Sauron was cut his hand off. Why did NO ONE think of doing that?
Bro he wanted them to fly the fucking eagles to Gondor. Obviously a wizard is wise enough to know Sauron would have shot the eagles out of the sky. So the steps were supposed to be fly to gondor, take the fight to sauron with all the armies that wouldnt have fought up until that point, and then fight their way to the mountain like they did before. The only difference would have been Legolas would have chucked frodo's bitch ass into the volcano where as Elrond let Isildor walk away.
This whole thread is based on a fucking flash animation someone made about a week after the LOTR movies were out. Fucking hell.
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Sauron is an extremely powerful Maia, it's pretty much certain death to try to cut his hand off.
The movies made it look really easy.
That scene was one of the very few things that I don't like about the movies.
What the fuck do you think humans are then? Plants? Fungi? It sounds like you're the one who was educated in the Bible Belt.
>it's pretty much certain death to try to cut his hand off
Not really. All you have to do is send 50 guys at him at the same time, and then one of cut off his hand. It's bulletproof.
>Obviously a wizard is wise enough to know Sauron would have shot the eagles out of the sky
No he fucking would not. It was NEVER established at any point that Sauron could shoot lasers out of his eye.
You clearly didn't see the beginning of the first movie. The dude is basically a living tower and walks through enemies like daisies in a field.
Humans are human, end of discussion. Sorry that skipped that lesson in bible studies.
>It's bulletproof
no it's not
Sauron can take 50 men, he is incredibly powerful.
That's what I meant about not liking that scene in the movie.
I literally just watched it today. He got the upper hand because they were all just standing there like retards. If they had charged at him and one of them cut off his hand the whole thing would've been over quickly.
If he was so powerful then how did his fingers get cut off so easily?
Humans are human, very good! We're also primates, we're also mammals, and we're also animals.
You are wrong bud. Now if you'll excuse me, we are talking about LOTR in here.
He's powerful in that he has innumerable, what we would call "magical", abilities; but he can still be physically injured if he is in a physical form.
Even Morgoth was injured in his fight with Fingolfin, and his power dwarfs Sauron's.
Right, so you sneak up behind him and cut his hand off. Problem solved.
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fuck your stupid bait
They were all standing there like tards because he has a "terrifying presence" basically a field of magic around him that makes most people shit their pants. A few really evil things have it like dragons and balrogs. Sauron wasn't the best duelist his most useful skills are the way he forces people to see him and how he can manipulate everyone. Even Isildor got insanely lucky and the reason why is because Sauron reached down to crush his skull in his hand so he could hold his limp body up for everyone to know the line of Numrenor has ended which would have made all the humans give up.
You might want to understand non-fiction first before trying to argue about fiction, kiddo
How is it bait? You send in a suicide squad to distract him, then one guy sneaks behind him and cuts his hand off. What's the problem here?
So if he sucked as a duelist and could get physically injured why bother putting himself in that position? Why didn't he just use his wizard spells or whatever?
Isengard /= Mordor my dude. The eye is in Mordor and Saruman had Gandalf trapped in Isengard. Also Saruman doesn’t have wraiths on dragons at his disposal.
Marvel is some cringey horse shit. The only one I semi enjoyed was infinite war, then endgame was just like watching a washing machine...lots of movement but very little going on. Marvel will never have the heart and soul like Tolkien’s stories
He didnt suck as a duelist he just wasn't the best. Being 15ft tall and swinging a magic infused mace doesn't hurt your odds of winning a fight. He was actually locked in that form by the ring however. The armor wasn't actually armor it was his skin after it had been twisted. Why use just magic when you can use magic and smash bitches with a mace? Before the ring twisted him he went around as a beautiful elf looking man and he was called Sauron the great deciever. Before the ring made him into the big bad tower bro he was wandering around manipulating people and giving them gifts that would fuck with them.
If he sticks to just using spells he doesn't die, easy. I just don't see how it makes sense that he's supposedly super strong or whatever but no one bothers to say "hey i have an idea, lets cut off his hand".
But they had eagles or dragons or whatever the fuck it is that the Nazgul used so why didn't they do that to kill him? Instead he just watches Gandolf fly away without giving a fuck.
Also why didn't Sauron shoot him down as he flew away? Then that implies he couldn't and they could've just flew into Mordor without any problems.
Who in the fuck is Gandolf? Do you mean GANDALF?
What's the fucking difference? It's obvious who I'm talking about
I hate this fucking argument.
Sauron had fucking wyverns. Burdened eagles would have been ripped apart.
Not allowed to fly by who's permission? The FTA?
I mean he didn't technically die he just lost his physical body. His spirit was still obviously very much alive even if it was weakened. Even if he had used nothing but magic the ring being removed is still able to defeat him for the time being. The fact of the matter is Sauron was extremely confident and sure of his ability. For him to admit that he should just stay back and use magic instead of crushing human and elven skulls would have been totally out of his character. After all he saw himself as the most powerful being in middle earth after his master was defeated. So why be afraid of some stupid tiny people when you can step on them to kill them? Sauron's downfall was his own over confidence. That's why he tried to grab Isildor instead of just smashing him into the ground. He is the big bad terrifying thing on the battlefield and in his eyes nothing stood a chance of remotely standing in his way.
It's not a true test of will if they just flew the ring and dropped it in. They had to overcome ever emotion to get the job done, thus ensuring it's completion.
The eagles are unreliable.
Because if he's smart enough to create the ring, he should also be smart enough to understand he's vulnerable to getting his hand cut off. This is a major plot hole in the story. Also why even bother fighting the men and elfs yourself instead of getting one of the corrupted people to do it for you? Like the kings of men or whatever. Then he could've used his spells to do something else.
"Unreliable" bro they have their own shit going on and have their own king who chooses what all of them do. They aren't a taxi service for Gandalf and they normally consider themselves above the rest of middle earth and dont like to interfere that often.
What shit did they have going on? Deciding whether they want fish or cat for dinner?
Yet for some reason Sauron never bothered to kill them off. How does that work?
Wasting everyone's time is a test of will? Okay.
The Eagles were in a war with the mountain Giants at the time.
Shit idk but they were doing their own shit. Maybe keeping the rest of the fire drakes in the north or maybe just worshiping Manwe. Either way they do their own shit.
And everyone else was fighting off Mordor. That's not an excuse.
So out helping out your fellow man because you "have your own shit going on" is a good excuse? What was the plan then if Sauron gets the ring, eating cat for breakfast?
Well, it's either fight on one front or two so I guess it was written that they fight one.
The Eagles were not inclined to help with this mission because they feared the men of the Vales of Anduin, who were competent archers. This detail is in the book, not the movie.
If sauron got the ring back the eagles would have just flown to the undying lands to be with Manwe. They don't need middle earth at all. Even is Sauron conquered the whole of middle earth the gods would have just come back across the ocean and curb stomped him so the world can go to the humans.
They didn't have to fight anybody though. All they had to do was take Frodo to Mount Doom. The whole thing would've taken like 5 minutes.
But, do Balrogs have wings?
If that were true then why didn't the gods do that when he created the ring?
They do, but apparently they don't know how to fucking use them and instead just free fall for no fucking reason
If it's not in the movie then it doesn't count
This thread has to be bait. No one is this autistic on purpose.
What's bait about it?
They would have been shot at by orcs and attacked by ring wraiths on wyvrns I wouldn't call that nothing.
Some do some dont
Because they didn't care enough to do it themselves so instead they sent the wizards to guide the people of middle earth. The gods in LOTR are infinitely more powerful than a silly little maiar.
The Nazgul weren't in Mordor so they wouldn't have been a problem. And if the gods didnt give a fuck about Sauron making the ring why would they care if he rules middle earth?
What is that suppose to be? Some physics equation nobody gives a fuck about?
Create a wormhole through space and time? Exactly.
Middle earth was made for the mortal races. The only reason the Vaiar would have come back across is if Sauron made it impossible for the mortals to live there the way Eru intended. Also the Nazgul were scattered some looking for the ring but the rest were all chilling in Mordor, Angmar, Dol Guldur, and Minas Morgul. All of which are not far from mount doom.
No there was not "chilling in Mordor". You can see them all leaving to find the ring at the beginning of the fucking movie. And how is making the ring not making it impossible for mortals to live in middle earth?
Bro you see 5 of them leave not all 9. Making the ring in the first place didn't really do that much to the every day life of many people other than the humans who lived in the kingdoms that fell when their kings fell. The dwarves were fine just a little more greedy than they already were and the elves literally had nothing shitty happen directly as a result of the ring being made. If you really want to get into it the elves were way more worried about Morgoth than Sauron.
Tolkien wrote in one of his letters that he was taking massive amounts of hallucinogens during the entire writing of LOTR so please forgive him for the gigantic plot holes.
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Look at the clip. All 9 of them leave at the same time. And he gives away rings for the sole purpose of corrupting everyone. So if the gods gave a fuck they would've stepped in right there.
He didn't give the elves their rings and like I said the only real side effect the dwarves had was they became more greedy. The clip you cant actually see all 9 of them and I honestly dont care as much about the movies as I do the books. If you havent played shadow of mordor/shadow of war I would recommend it as long as you like to hack orcs up.
DUDE how are you not getting this. The “dragons” that the nazgul fly on are in MORDOR. ISENGARD is a different place you dumb fuck
1. The eagles would never have agreed to do it.
2. The eye would see them coming before they even got close.
3. You couldn't drop the ring from the air. Mount doom requires you to enter a cavern. The cavern would have a huge guard and, once the eye saw them, that guard would have increased.
No way could they have flown in successfully.
Watch the scene again. Gandalf jumps off the tower suddenly as if he’s going to an hero and by the time Saruman looks over the edge gandalf is on his hasty way the fuck outta there.
Frodo must have fucked Gandalf over at some point without even realizing. Even worse, he didn’t know Gandalf was petty AF.
wrong
Roughly dude, wherever the fucking gap of Rohan is it’s not far from there
No you're wrong about him not being in Mordor
You mean the witch king? Ok so minas morgul then. Not the point
He was in Mordor and flew away, and the eye did nothing to stop him
Don't argue with the idiot
I fucking hate when people do this..
They obviously know what you are talking about.
The giant eagles were busy taking giant poops on giant statues
>they would have been seen coming and been kill
Instead of Obama I spell it as Oboma, that's okay for you?
Not only that, but I do it repeatedly despite people pointing out that I spelled it wrong
without knowing the difficulty of the journey and the loss caused by it the ring bearer would never have given up the ring maybe
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In the books I believe it was suggested, but Gandalf stated the the eagles don't give enough of a fuck to save the humanoids because the eagles were basically untouchable.
Gandalf says to Frodo "Don't fly you fools" because he knew of the outcome of flying giant eagles into Mordor... that plan would have failed.
He never said "don't"
A more important question would be about that quote from Gandalf moment before the fly quote...
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass! The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass!"
What's the secret fire?
What's the flame of Anor?
Who's this dark fire that will not avail the Blarog?
If the Balrog is referred to as "flame of Udûn" who is Udûn?
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It's not that he didn't say it, it's that nobody heard him say it and that's because Gandalf mumbles most of the small words he says. You would know this if you read the introduction of Gandalf in the books.
He quite clearly said "fly, you fools". You should go back to doing what you do best, which is posting in trap threads.
But you're the bait here.
>they would have been seen by the eye
>eagles are less stealthy than hobbits
>eagles are easier prey for airborne enemies like wraiths
>eagles are pretty neutral, like the ents
>eagles are busy with eagle politics and shit, not willing to risk their ass for others, like the elves
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Because Sauron wouldve seen them coming, and sent the ring wraiths to intercept the eagles. Plus, throwing the righ from high above and hoping that it lands in the lava is too risky, so they wouldve had to have dismounted the eagles anyways to make sure the ring is destroyed, and that leads to the heavily defended Mordor problem. Really, maybe the Eagles couldve been used for limited transport for the hobbits at some point, but sneaking in was still the best plan.