I'm going to be totally honest, I voted for Bernie in 2016 and even I'm not voting for these fucking faggots anymore. I've had so many life-long democrats call me and explain that they're voting for trump this coming year because of the sheer amount of radical nonsense democrats have been talking lately.
Love me or hate me, I guess I'm one more for trump.
Easton Wilson
>It's like they don't want anyone white voting for them and are counting on illegals to cast votes where they can get away with it. Their absolute lunacy will be their swift undoing...
Zachary Lee
20 rubles have been donated to your account, Ivan.
What's funny is you libtards don't realize these are actually Americans and that you are going to get bitten in the ass big time this election cycle. I wrote Bernie in for 2016 also and I find the move towards more extremes to be very alienating and honestly anti-white.
You can joke all you want but I've watched practically four years of racebaiting, empty arguments, and witch hunts from the left.
I don't like Trump's policies on climate change or gun control, but the economy has demonstrably gotten better. I get huge tax breaks. Similarly, I watched the same FBI who brought you ruby ridge, Waco Texas, and hosted CP sites on taxpayer dollars spend two years on an empty political campaign they called an investigation (which turned up absolutely nothing) -- which speaks volumes when the standard of evidence was basically malleable (prove "collusion"). This is the same party that told me I had "white privilege" and cut my GI Bill when I was in college (even though you pay for it when I was in and received an honorable discharge), so 10 years later i'm still paying student loans.
Meanwhile, I watched Trump actually deliver on the shit he promised (Wall, Tax breaks, initiatives to make businesses not outsource, and an improved relationship with North Korea).
It's not that the guy isn't without criticisms, but 99% of the time when I ask people to explain why they don't like him it just comes down to the fact that it's not fashionable to do so because John Oliver or some other fucking dipstick says only dumb people vote for Trump.
Logan Sanders
Yeah, everyone knows tax money is supposed to be used exclusively for bailing out large corporations that fail in catastrophic ways, and politician pet projects. Why would anyone want tax money to get recirculated into society?
I get the impression you people don't really know what taxes are or how they work.
Elijah Hall
Yeah, I know and I agree, insanity. They are definitely counting on the non-white votes..
Blake Lewis
>I get the impression you people don't really know what taxes are or how they work.
He might not but I do. You pay them, I get a check and buy beer and smokes, and a significant amount of that money is recycled as "vice taxes".
Dylan Anderson
Nobody in this entire thread (to this point) is even saying that they agree with all of Trump's policies. They're just saying that the left is alienating responsible people because they're making extreme claims. Just for the record, if you're mad about Trump's spending, the 2020 Democratic debates proposed:
>Raising taxes on the middle class to pay for anywhere from 75% - 100% of outstanding student loan debt (without any solution to prevent it from inflating again). >Using taxes to pay for abortions for transgender women (who can't get pregnant) >Free healthcare for illegal immigrants
The list goes on but those kinds of radical changes are not going to be in the best interest of the country, nor can we even really afford to do all those things, nor should the middle class have to bear the burden of them.
Ryan Hall
I literally chose to currently side with the right because the left are screeching retards and need as many opposing them as they can get. The left don't realise they're just radicalising people..
I seriously don't know what they're doing. They botched the 2016 election and they're botching this one.
If they just had a moderate democrat that had pushed for common sense gun control and expanding social services they'd win. But they're all like jumping around on stage and shouting like a bunch of retards.
Luis Gutierrez
I really don't think they have a chance.
They straight up lie in their AOC propaganda.. and I don't even know why. She's extremely young for a rep and, as a rookie, is fucking up left and right, yet they keep putting out edited videos where she "owns" x, y, or z but then anyone who sees the full video will see her fucking up the questions or immediately getting put down with a rebuttal from her target. Then all of this far far left shilling... what the fuck even is this shit anymore? They're shaming Biden for saying far left isn't going to win the election? Fucking WHAT
But the biggest thing I see is that they think sucking illegal dick is winning them the immigrant/hispanic vote overall. Where I grew up it was mostly white/hispanic with about a quarter black and very few asians. Every hispanic person I know that isn't sub-20 and drinking the kool aid is explicitly against all of the illegals coming in and fucking shit up for them, and no other race of immigrant I meet wants to support illegal immigration. "B-but, MUSLIMS! HE'S AGAINST MUSLIMS!" Any Muslim person I know with a brain knows that any democrat in power has been fucking them over the same as Republicans, and Democratic politicians think any brown person is automatically muslim when many new immigrants are Hindi or other such religions that fucking hate Muslims.
This shit is Bush v. Kerry all over again. They can't run a competent person to save their fucking lives no matter how unpopular the incumbent republican is. I thought we all learned the pandering to extremists lesson when the Republicans were punished for supporting Tea Partiers but here we fucking are again.
Austin Perry
>what's wrong with me >why am I a racist piece of homophobic shit?
lol
Josiah Reyes
>I've had so many imaginary people tell me to vote for Drumpf
lol
Xavier Lee
>I wrote Bernie in for 2016 also and now I'm going to be STUPID AS FUCK
Nathan Bennett
>This shit is Bush v. Kerry all over again. Kerry would have made for a sane Presidency.
You're welcome.
Jackson Robinson
>then anyone who sees the full video will see her fucking up the questions or immediately getting put down with a rebuttal from her target. there is no "full video" trumpshit
you got your shit owned
Parker Gonzalez
>I voted for a 3rd Pary dipshit in 2016 >and I'll do it again
Cooper Brown
>They're just saying that the left is alienating responsible people you mean you are.
Elijah Cruz
How does it feel to not understand any thing about politics Yea Forums. I guess bailing out millionaire corporations and supporting mass over sea trading is the American dream. Better start buying up top ramen before the prices are sky high. Oh and your gonna love it when trump takes away health care and you die of ass cancer. But hey I guess you will show those snow flakes.
William Smith
Eh, I don't think he had it in him regardless. I just mean it as the election was served up on a platter with an insanely unpopular incumbent like Bush and they couldn't stop fumbling over themselves to put up someone who could actually win.
They lost 2016 to the corruption of a Clinton-run DNC, they'll lose 2020 because they are incompetent.
Blake Foster
3 bottles of vodka have been sent to your mailbox, komrads.
Samefag doesn't at all read any of the explanations about how most of these anons take issue with many of trump's major policies but are voting for him because the left has extreme candidates. Instead, this guy just dismissing everyone's perspective without evidence and proving my greater point that it's unfashionable to dislike Trump.
0/10 troll. Cry harder faggot
Zachary Peterson
>Samefag doesn't at all read any of the explanations
Because they're bullshit.
Rebut my comments or STFU.
David Sullivan
>it's unfashionable to dislike Trump. It's actually intelligent. Which means you're stupid.
Hudson Howard
They lost because idiots like you voted for Bush/Trump.
Bentley Cooper
You're just writing people off without introducing any evidence. That's like saying "nuh-uh" and then expecting people to "rebut" it.
Again, you just proved my point.
Hunter Anderson
democrats are in better shape then republicans,i guess you ignorant rednecks didnt get a clue from losing house majority in the midterms because even your own party is tired of trump's shit
Jaxson Hill
I'm guessing you probably did do something stupid like vote 3rd Party though.
>without introducing any evidence. so you're not a homophobic piece of shit? How?
Robert Walker
>trump goes diplomatic with NK >liberal-biased media- "WHAT THE FUCK???? WE NEED WAR. LOOK AT THIS FOOTAGE OF THEM MARCHING FROM 2004. LOOK AT THIS ASIAN MAN! HATE HIM FOR HIS DIFFERENCE. NUKES! NUKES! NUKES! MARCHING AND NUKES" >trump seems to be going for war with Iran >liberal biased media- "WTF. YOU CAN'T GO TO WAR! IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE BROWN???? HMMMMM?? WAR IS WRONG ALWAYS. YOU FAILED AT DIPLOMACY. LOOK AT THESE CLIPS OF RIGHT WING BIASED MEDIA CRITICIZING OBAMA FOR THINGS TRUMP HAS DONE. WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT, JUST DON'T LOOK IT UP"
nigga I was 13, I literally owned all those "Rock Against Bush" pop punk albums they were putting out at the time. Doesn't mean the DNC isn't a fucking joke
Logan Lewis
>Again, you just proved my point. Or you're really as stubborn as you are stupid
Jace Gomez
>without introducing any evidence. like claiming there's "additional footage" that makes AOC look like an idiot?
Christ you're buttmad lol
Angel Hernandez
>Doesn't mean the DNC isn't a fucking joke They aren't. You're dumb enough to vote for Trump, though.
Jack Johnson
Because at no point did I make any claims even remotely related to homosexuality. You don't know me personally, your arguments are poor, and your trolling effort is even worse.
Joseph Cook
Uh oh guys, we have Noam Chomsky in the thread. Not voting for whatever war monger the DNC is paid to prop up is evil, right Noam? Even not voting at all is evil because it fails to support the dems which to you is supporting the reps, right Noam? Gotta suck that dick to the left or you're wrong
Aaron Morgan
My bad. So you're just a racist piece of shit using "faggot" colloqually.
Ryder Sullivan
Lifelong conservative voter here (but Johnson got my vote in 16 because I didn't trust Trump or Clinton) . I will probably vote more left this cycle strictly because of environmental policy. I deeply disagree with almost all GOP policy towards conservation, emissions reduction, and global climate change progress.
I'll still use isidewith to make the majority of my decisions probably, but I will be weighing environmental policy extremely heavily, and I can't imagineTrump will get my vote.
(I'm interested in genuine discussion, and probably won't reply to bait)
Lincoln Robinson
>your trolling effort is even worse. you're right I'd never get as many bites as the butthurt comments in your OP will get.
Jack Perry
>your arguments are poor, Actually no, you laid yourself out for criticism and I addressed it. You're a weakling afraid of social progress.
your stupid President actually almost attacked Iran lol
Christian Richardson
Southern Strategy is typically a right wing tactic. Trump hasn't delivered on anything, but at least he's stayed busy focusing on himself, because if he tried to effect real change he could drastically damage the US.
James Jackson
He already is damaging this country--it's integrity, its human rights goals, its economy.
Your dumb President gave farmers 12 billion dollars because his tariffs HURT them.
Ryder Nelson
Calling every one a same fag while being a same fag ftfy.
Jayden Robinson
It's never going to admit what a huge faggot it is. Expect nothing more than projection, fingerpointing and namecalling. Just like Trump.
Isaac Murphy
r u insecure about ur race OP?
Leo Phillips
im not insecure about my race
David Green
YOU SHUT UP WHY IS EVERYONE GANGING UP ON ME I THOUGHT THIS WAS A PRO-TRUMP SITE
Mason Nguyen
Go on. Call us "anti-white."
You know you want to.
Eli Rogers
Who’s paying you or are you just naturally retarded?
>i strongly suspect russian paid troll this guy is:
Robert Ross
how much does putin pay you to stoke disagreement?
Anthony Myers
summarize in two sentences
Jaxon Adams
> But they're all like jumping around on stage and shouting like a bunch of retards.
Pretty much
And yeah, they just need to calm down a little bit with the diversification and people might take them a little more seriously
John Sanders
How can you say he hasn't delivered anything?
>The economy is demonstrably better. >More blacks are employed than ever before >Kim Jung Un is having meetings outside of North Korea and is meeting with trump in the DMZ >Trump is enforcing UN regulations on chemical weapons >Tax cuts for the middle class >Building a wall >Enforcing bans on Muslim countries until they cooperate
That's literally more in 3.5 years than I can remember Obama doing in 8.
Luis Price
So I'm wrong?
You support full social diversity? Then why are you yelling about illegals and niggers?
>Enforcing bans on Muslim countries which is against the US Constitution
Bentley Lopez
Stop avoiding the question.
Do you support full social diversity?
Luke Gutierrez
I'm middle class and I got a tax cut.
Luis Davis
Source?
Isaiah Richardson
>i haz a cool story
lol
David Hill
All about the governments deception the elite or as trump the puppet calls them deep state and the corporations. Party doesn't matter when they're all puppets even that troll daylyt sees it
Joshua Gonzalez
The day after Obama left office? 8th Grader?
Colton Hall
Which is basically Russian Propaganda. Congratulations.
Josiah Carter
Yeah, and I agree with you that those are terrible things, which is why I posted earlier that I have major reservations about most of trump's policies and yet tons of us are still probably voting for him because the democratic platform has become so extreme. That's not the same as saying "he hasn't delivered." What you're saying is "he's done some lousy things as president and he's done some great things." I think you're just shilling and your English is terrible, but that is true. People making 50k a year or more got major tax breaks. I wouldn't expect you to know that, though.
John Jenkins
>People making 50k a year or more got major tax breaks bullshit
Blake Miller
>People making 50k a year or more got major tax breaks People making 10 times that amount got the lion's share.
Compare this to the tax increases the middle and lower class got during the Obama administration and the proposed tax hikes by the modern left right now and I think you'll find that you're not making a very strong point.
Justin Rodriguez
>full social diversity if this means "everyone is inclusive of all people, regardless of their various demographics," then sure. i believe active diversity is useful for ideation.
how do you define that term?
>he's done some lousy things as president and he's done some great things yeah, i think it's important to keep a level headed frame of reference, for sure.
we haven't replied to each other yet in this thread, btw. my personal opinion is that his achievements are overshadowed by his failures, primarily in regards to the environment and race relations.
Leo Gutierrez
Shut the fuck up. Either reply to each of those charges or stop posting.
>and I think you'll find that you're not making a very strong point. More like you're doing damage control
The MIDDLE CLASS DID NOT GET A TAX CUT THE RICH DID
STOP LYING TRUMPTURD
Adrian Garcia
Lmao retard why do you think Russia has any influence because Hitler feared the spread of communism? Or is it cause the media told you they do?
Liam Garcia
> (You) >>full social diversity >if this means "everyone is inclusive of all people, regardless of their various demographics," then sure. i believe active diversity is useful for ideation. >how do you define that term? The same as you do.
Which means if you're OP you really don't believe that.
Jose Peterson
Source? Obama had no positive drive in the economy while he was in office. Remember NAFTA? All he wanted to do was fuck us on trade and lower the power of America so the one world government can take over we have so many different people of all different cultures it would never work to have them all under one government as every culture is different in their views look at Islam they are against everything feminism stands for but every single on of you dumb fucks suck their dicks when you should dam well know that if they had it there way we would be living just like they are woman rights would be gone so fucking tired of this racial diversity narrative
Michael Ross
You're the one sucking Russian media dick. You tell me.
Zachary Green
The economy was booming the day Obama left office. Trump cannot take credit for this.
Shut the fuck up.
James Jenkins
>All he wanted to do was fuck us on trade and lower the power of America so the one world government can take over tinfoil detected
Brandon Peterson
I'm not OP, nor have I ever claimed to be. I think I replied to OP in the second portion of that comment.
I really believe that.
Asher Kelly
It's amazing the desperation in making as many rapid fire, pointless quips to change the topic that the democratic party allowed itself to be hijacked by absurd policies that noone wants to willingly vote for. Trump doesn't even need to be part of the equation, they're literally pushing for unelectability.
Jaxon Myers
Where's your source? Anyone can make a statement with out proof.
Aiden Peterson
No you didn't. You ignored 3 years of a failed Presidency and tried to claim Trump has "accomplishments."
You did not rebut OP's racist homophobic comments. Because you probably agree with them.
Liam Evans
My source is the fact the economy was booming the day Obama left office. Don't be a faggot about this.
Benjamin Gray
blacks are cool, L if your not black
Ian Lewis
youtu.be/aQqcimqxfcA the dems just want an illegal filled shit hole hahahaha lets speak spanish to pander to illegals
Luis Gray
Russia please. We know you love how spineless Trump is with Putin but we went through this already last election cycle. You're not fooling anyone anymore, it won't work twice.
Asher Anderson
>hijacked by absurd policies name even one
Jason Robinson
so you're a xenophobic white nationalist wannabe
remind me why you shouldn't have your ass beat again
Isaiah Harris
Obama never left office
Bentley Anderson
If only.
Jackson Kelly
That's what Republicans believe, not Democrats and Republicans aren't voting for Bernie anyway. You change nothing.
Joseph Richardson
Why should I take the word of some random on Yea Forums link source or you are full of shit
Aiden Wilson
OP really does believe he has a right to another Trump term.
Austin Gutierrez
democrats are commies who want to see this country burn all democrats are traitors and should be considered enemy combatants
Logan Campbell
>The economy was booming the day Obama left office. Do you mean the day Trump won the Presidency or the Day Obama left the White House?
Ethan Stewart
I'll take shit that never happened for 2000
Ian Hernandez
Because not taking my word makes you sound like a sheltered 8th grader.
Tyler Cox
Completely waiving all college debt. Try getting anyone who already paid off their own student loans to vote for a candidate who says they wasted their money by doing so.
Jackson Moore
Thats why even in Africa they aren't accepted the people of Africa throw insults and rocks at Amrican spades they cant make it anywhere but here now that they have all these fucking hand outs
Henry Bennett
>the day Obama left office. What day are you referring to?
Caleb Brown
Only the Sith deal in absolutes. I don't think he's a good president, and I think he has had more failures than accomplishments.
If you took that to mean "I support Donald Trump's policies" I think you jumped to a conclusion I didn't mean for you to arrive at.
His administration has done things. It would be absurd to say otherwise. I think he has had a net negative impact on this country, for sure.
I'm not here to refute OPs opinions (which I generally disagree with).
Both. The economy had been steadily growing the last five years of Obama's Presidency.
Oliver Parker
I'm really not. I realised the other day how insignificant the left actually are.. They just have really loud voices coz they're all unemployed or in Uni and have too much time on their hands
Mason Gutierrez
That isn't absurd. It shouldn't cost a shitload to be educated.
Caleb Reyes
The day your mom said you could come out of your room.
I will be voting for patrick little if he is running . Oh and all these "people" calling trump supporters "ivan" are just subhuman kikes and chinks so ignore them.
>I'm not here to refute OPs opinions Well maybe you should, because I can't do it alone.
Brayden Rivera
Because your not credible dude find some proof and sources and we can talk but so far all I'm hearing is just believe me this happened for sure fuck wit
Josiah Richardson
Black unemployment rate in 2009: 15% Black unemployment rate in 2018: 6%
Source: Dept. of Labor
The same trends exist for all minority groups. It's because Trump created jobs and stimulated the economy.
I think that's a fair and respectable position. I'm actually really concerned about the environment more than any other issue, but the amount of pressure I see in my industry and threat of increased taxes by the left isn't something I can afford at this point. Obama cut my GI bill in the 2000s and I still have like $28,000 of student debt. I don't want to wind up satisfying that in a year or so, only to have my taxes go up now that I'm successful.
You don't understand how conversations work. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, which is you disputing something that is objectively verifiable is supposedly untrue. I can't disprove a negative. That's like saying "Prove the constitution DOESN'T say you're required to wear a watch as a citizen."
For the record, the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. That's actually less than 50k a year. Again, the source is the dept of labor.
I don't know what else I can do to prove this to you, and it's tiresome watching you employ the logic of a gradeschool kid and dismissing entire schools of thoughts with ad homs and non sequiturs.
Henry White
>how insignificant the left actually are they're still triggering you pretty hard.
Also, the Democrats are not "the left." They are a center-right leaning political party with progressive elements like Warren and Sanders.
Luis Ward
It shouldn't, but that doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your own financial choices.
Carter Reyes
Even the most naive anons aren't going to believe that line of bullshit.
Gabriel Bell
Are you going to post your entire Youtube fap folder?
Andrew Johnson
>your not credible lol
Gabriel Wilson
>Both. Then you have no idea how the markets work, user. >The economy had been steadily growing the last five years of Obama's Presidency. Yes, they had been because of 2008, but it was the worst recovery after a recession in over since WWII.
Zachary Thompson
>It's because Trump created jobs and stimulated the economy. There is literally no evidence of this.
Landon Stewart
Quoted for fucking truth.
Levi Morales
after a recession since WWII.**
Levi Cruz
>The burden of proof is on the person making the claim OK, so you probably did do something stupid like vote 3rd Party in 2016 or not at all.
Which was it?
Tyler Anderson
No. All people who would even consider voting democrat are screaming liberals socialist.
Caleb Harris
>the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck That is not "the middle class."
Jonathan Murphy
Education shouldn't cost that much though.
Kayden Butler
More evidence of him doing it instead of that useless nigger barry Obama. That ape drove up the debt by ten trillion
Jackson Clark
You have no idea how to concede a point.
No really you look like a sheltered fuck crying "fake news" when you deny Obama left office with a booming economy.
Shut up.
Jaxon Scott
>Obama made an economic recovery >but it was the worst recovery oh look at the faggot moving goalposts
look at him
Jordan Howard
Actually Biden is polling the highest, and that's because of moderate centrist voters.
You're 12. Stop posting.
Matthew Murphy
>instead of that NIGGER you elected >that NIGGER >don't you EVER EVER ELECT A NIGGER AGAIN YOU HEAR BOY
Not that user. Fuck you and your bilateral partisanship. There's more than 2 choices in life, and the fact that we wittle our choices down to two (and then choose the lesser of the two evils) is absolutely retarded. The only reason 3rd parties don't stand a chance is because of attitudes like yours. It's on the same level as "one vote doesn't make a difference".
Ethan Gonzalez
KEK that is what those idiots said about that horrid bitch Hillary
Ayden Hernandez
>Fuck you and your bilateral partisanship. Fuck you and your loftier than though derpertarian bullshit that got Trump elected.
Liam Turner
Top races: mexicans bottom races: whites
it goes like this mexicans blacks asians natives everything else shit garbage whites
prove me wrong Yea Forums
Jayden Hernandez
>The only reason 3rd parties don't stand a chance is because of attitudes like yours. Or more likely you have exactly SHIT to offer and you can't get off your ass to start one lol
Carson Flores
waves mexican flag with pride and tears
whats even worse? polish
Blake Adams
I agree pedro
Nolan Martin
>missing the point of what i said on purpose >lol Fuck off reddit worm . I know who you are voting for already
Luke Flores
Polish is good for boots tho ja
Brayden Perry
why is poland such a shit country? there people are ugly af and their women are fat and gross. they're also the poorest country in europe
What "point?" That you like to announce what an utter racist piece of shit you are?
Jack Ross
The people responsible for getting trump elected are those who voted for him.
Levi Morales
imagine being a ugly polish slak working minimum wage at an oil factory with a turnip garden in ur backyard
David Morales
Unemployment did not go up since he came to office. Whether or not Obama started it doesn't refute that Trump at least continued economic growth in this country. We are producing FAR more oil per year than regulations under Obama would have allowed, which has all but crippled OPEC's ability to mandate oil costs and affect the global economy. This is a fact.
North Korea diplomacy is better than ever before in the history of that nation. This is a fact.
However, I think the first point has done so at the cost of the environment, which I cannot forgive.
The second point has come at the cost of relationships with our allies, and I'm not sure it's worth it. fine. OP, I think it paints a very negative picture to not support free healthcare for all. Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. None of those things are alienable, whether for fiscal or geopolitical reasons. If you believe that, you should believe in free healthcare.
Still don't believe? Consider this: you probably have private insurance. It's valuable to have that because you are paying into a collective fund in the hopes that one day when you need that fund to help you out the money is there.
The mathematics involved with private healthcare scale to single-payer. If there were a private insurance company that mandated every person in the US paid into it, your premiums would drop. Sure there are people out there with cancer, diabetes, and need help with birth defects. Those people also pay into the single payer system and having 350 million people helping pay for your insurance is a step in the right direction. It's a fact that Americans pay more for worse healthcare than almost every other developed nation on the planet. SOMETHING has to change, and federal health insurance is the direction we need to head.
I won't even comment on the directly racist / homophobic elements of your post.
Liam Powell
You got any new bait by chance? That shit has been stale for years
Evan Scott
If you read Rules For Radicals you'll see the step-by-step shit that's been going down. They have antifa using the same tactics against people they're told to dislike, and that is "make them absolutely dread any kind of public interaction". It's not about having an actual philosophical platform for tiny hats. It's about getting one side to start war with the other so the tiny hats can profit off of misery and strife. It's a tale as old as time. Btw Rules For Radicals is like a tiny snippet of the Talmud. So yes, it definitely is le happy merchants pushing this kind of stuff.
Jack Reyes
and those who refused to stop him from getting elected
like you
Samuel Turner
>You have no idea how to concede a point. There's nothing to concede, you are literally wrong on both points. >No really you look like a sheltered fuck crying "fake news" when you deny Obama left office with a booming economy. Obama left office with investors looking forward to Donald Trumps bullish market rhetoric. The market sentiment was not because of Obama, it was because Trump won and Hillary lost. You honestly have no idea what you're talking about, user.
William Adams
Holy fuck are you still arguing this shit?
TRUMP CANNOT TAKE CREDIT FOR OBAMA'S ECONOMY
FUCK OFF
Easton Diaz
It is though they chamged the defition to be in the 120k range from 40k
Easton Young
>muh raysizm Keep diggin that hole shareblue kike
Aiden Turner
>I won't even comment on the directly racist / homophobic elements of your post. Except no, you addressed me. OP did not see your posts.
You are a coward.
Logan Fisher
Obama and the crooks in Washington bailed out the banks with taxpayer dollars. Of course the markets were going to recover after that. Are you fucking stupid or just underage?
Jonathan Richardson
Its not Obama's economy, you dumbshit
Lincoln Hall
>Obama left office with investors looking forward to Donald Trumps bullish market rhetoric. source: Fox and Friends
Jackson Howard
Unfortunately, our other choice was Hillary. You saying I should have voted for her? Ultimately it doesn't matter, because they're both puppets.
Charles Cruz
>corrupt capitalist party vs corrupt capitalist party really diverse politics here
Evan Hernandez
Jews run the world and they have white skin
Cameron Jones
>You honestly have no idea what you're talking about, user. says the trumpturd who can't admit a black man ushered in the economy Trump is trying to take credit for lol
Josiah Phillips
>You are a coward. way to alienate the most rational thinker in this thread. I literally did not claim that at all.
Jordan Nguyen
Everyone under 50K got fucked is what you're saying.
Hudson Gutierrez
The cool thing about facts is that you don't have to believe them for them to be true. If you left the basement occasionally, you're going to find tons of people in the exact same situation. This is largely because Bernie campaigned on taxing the top 1% in 2016, and at the debate he said he would raise taxes on the middle class (not the same shit).
Again, I think this dude is being totally reasonable.
So the economy after 8 years of Bush was lousy and another 8 years of Obama led to a recession but, after 3.5 years of radical legislation changes and spending cuts during the Trump administration we see record low unemployment rates across all minority groups and huge tax cuts for the middle class, and that doesn't prove anything? I guess someone could always argue that they aren't convinced, but that speaks volumes to me.
>my point >NUH UH >it's true >PROVE IT YOUR SO STUPID >quote for Dept of Labor >SO U VOTED THIRD PARTY BECUZ UR STUPID
try harder faggot
It is literally the definition of the middle class. It literally has the word middle right in it.
I want to take credit but it's just the same guy.
Jordan Powell
>being american
lul
Noah Thomas
Funny how you actually voted in a crook but go on.
William Green
Good thing your too young to vote otherwise wed all be fucked
Luis Rivera
>way to alienate the most rational thinker in this thread Check out the humility on this guy
Blake Rodriguez
You don't need any person to tell you how it was, user. You can go look at the trends yourself. Go ask any investor.
Asher Morris
They are just a tool for those who do . Does not mean we should hate them any bit less though
Michael James
There is literally no evidence that "bailing out the banks" led to the stellar economy that Obama handed over to Trump.
William Stewart
For me it was how they stabbed Bernie on the back.
Off course I didn't liked him not standing up to the niggers in the middle of his damn rally.
Wyatt Martin
The economy was booming when Obama left office. Which means there was no reason to elect Trump at all.
Blake Long
I've found more people regretting they voted for trump than who say they will vote for him in 2020, much less dems who have done a complete 180.
William Edwards
>Again, I think this dude is being totally reasonable. There's at least two of us in here then, ha
My posts are almost certainly the most level headed of them. I claimed to be rational, not humble.
Ryder Brooks
No u
Ethan Flores
>go do my work for me In other words you've got nothing.
Robert Hall
>mfw I'm not even American and just came here to get reactions from people like you
>I've made up more shit this year than any other year
LOL
Jaxson Miller
That's funny because Democrats repeated this until Trumps first year was up and after a small dip in the markets, they all went on the News and said this is now Trumps economy.
Well user, which is it?
Gavin Hughes
This
Michael Fisher
typical american, but at least you got dubs
Evan Bell
>we see record low unemployment rates across all minority groups and huge tax cuts for the middle class, and that doesn't prove anything? Would have happened with ANY President who took office after Obama
Jonathan Martinez
I already did it, you're the brainlet refusing to do your due diligence.
Jordan Baker
Which is what? More stuff you can parrot off Fox and Friends?
Carter Morris
Honestly this shit sucks. This country is awful
Brody Gomez
"Go ask any investor" isn't a source trumpshit
Luis Wilson
>you're the brainlet I didn't elect Trump. You did. I wouldn't be calling people that.
Ian King
You didn't claim to be rational. You claimed to be THE MOST rational person here. Something that would be impossible to qualify, especially given your limited perspective. Sorry if it seems like I'm splitting hairs here, but hubris is not a becoming trait.
Aaron Price
He's a faggot pretending he isn't OP when we all know he is.
Jason Gonzalez
Of course people who make 150k and above are "the backbone of America" who cares about peasants that make less than 70k you know cause that isn't a huge chunk of the countries population yearly household income
Leo Bell
>banks bail out kim jong nigger >ITZ A MIRACLE GOYZ >trump returns jobs and creates a stimulus and on top of that rounds out the markets in the positive despite two thirds of wall street trying to pidgeon hole him >OY VEY ITZ ANUDDA SHOAH Keep crying jew boy , funny thing is i do not even like trump
Brandon White
I'm the one defending Obama in here user. Pretty sure that does not make me a Trump supporter.
Wyatt Morales
>Doesn't know how fiscal years work
based trumptard
Colton Brooks
american elections are a hoax and big show for the masses, free choice is an illusion, they got you by the balls and there is nothing you can do about it, keep pretending that your opinion matters and continue fighting over what the right says and what the left says, you are to stupid to see whats really going on, kys
Leo Thomas
That's a terrible argument and part of the no true scottsman fallacy.
Besides, if Trump was as bad as people make him out to be and it was just these great obama policies (the benefits of which were not at all present during his 8 years in office), then the economy would have gotten worse in the 3.5 years he's been in office.
Levi Long
You mean you were ok with basically giving rich deadbeats more money.
James Baker
not who you responded to, and I generally agree with you that Obama era policies probably "started" the market turnaround. But please realize that Trump at least hasn't undone that benefit.
It's important to meet people in the middle. This "all or nothing" "you or me" "us or them" mentality is undoing this country.
I still think I might be. I would love to be proved wrong, and the quality of discussion actually improve in here. It doesn't help that the vast majority of replies in here are incredibly personal.
>results to recycling posts Yeah , stick a fork in you . You are D O N E kek
Logan Hill
>. But please realize that Trump at least hasn't undone that benefit. Actually it has, the moment he had to give 12 billion dollars to farmers hurt by his tariffs.
Then he added nearly 2 trillion to the debt. Every time Obama added even a dollar you right wingers lost your shit. You're hypocrites.
Isaiah Brown
>lack of evidence*
Jordan Long
Of course cause they are the backbone of America even if they're only a small proportion of people theyre more important than the majority cause the tv told me so
Mason Flores
JOIN ME user IN KICKING TRUMPTARD ARSE!
Isaac Campbell
>evidence >cool stories you heard
pick one trumpshit
Juan Sanders
Resorts* fuckin faggot ass autocorrect
Eli Foster
>Why can't I work 60 hours a week for shit wages with no benefits or vacation time and be bankrupted if I ever decide to get an education?
Try again niggers. Also all the democrats except for one blatantly said during the debates that they would giver illegals free healthcare. Also Pete Buttgaper is making a spectacle by french kissing his fag husband in front of the world. Try harder.
Have you ever thought that, though they may play a large role in the financial health of the nation, that their actions should have lead to failure, and allowing them to fail would have allowed us to learn from this failure and enact a better system? They should have gone under because of bad business practices.
Adrian Kelly
Obama increased the debt by +10 trillion . Try again
Jack Ross
Yeah clear ideas for the future, progress, resistance against ignorance and bigotry=too painful
lol
Jeremiah Reed
So it's OK if Trump just jacked it up a measly 2 trillion?
Fucking hypocrite.
Lincoln Wilson
President Faggot
Charles Phillips
I don't need a tv to know that lmao the news is too depressing to even watch who the fuck cares about the royal wedding or any of that superficial bull shit the sheep all eat it up though
Juan Cook
>crying this hard There is some preparation H next to the bagels and lox in the office fridge . Just dont confuse it for the vapor rub like schlomo did .
The debt doesn't matter you dumb cunt. Wow look at gdp to debt for other countries specifically Japan it's double ours holy shit that must mean their country is falling apart right? Right?
Wyatt Lopez
You did say that. You ignored the hypocrisy of adding two trillion dollars to the debt. >reasoning ability of a woman and yet I'm handing you your ass how does that work?
Eli Peterson
And what is your dumb President offering?
Logan Wood
No.
I think I'm going to trigger you further
by posting in a way you distinctly don't approve of
and it triggers the fuck out of you.
Adam Sullivan
>being this retarded It is amazing you can even operate on your own . Even with your mom doin everything for you . And it took you that long to come up with that drivel? I almost feel sorry for you .
Alexander Hernandez
I feel sorry for weak faggots like you who can't address points and feel the need to lash out when it's obvious.
Liam Ward
>hurr durr im handlin yuuu No , you look more like a fish out of water . Your delusions of grandeur are what is keeping you "going"
Jose Evans
Actually after if was pointed out to you that you are a hypocrite for ignoring the two trillion Trump added to the debt, you should have bowed out. But you didn't. Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
Jordan Butler
>The news told me so it must be true I actually have money and live alome in my 150k dollar house i don't live off handicap checks like you
>this asspained and turd distressed Its obvious you know nothing of the subject you are speaking about . So addressing your "points" would be useless of me because you have yet to make one
Hudson Martinez
>I live in my mom's 150K house
lol
Carson Walker
As opposed to Obama who actually did? And 3 other middle eastern countries? Hurrrdeeerrrrr Orange man bad bullshit
Personally I don't like any side Sanders is not a democrat in my opinion however that's just one man's opinion the rest is pure conjecture based on Asteria fact there is not enough money to go around due to the market fluctuations in global economics so it doesn't matter who you are you get screwed at both ends what we need is a damn good accountant anyways but we seem not to have one in the office if we did it couldn't be any excuse beyond that I don't know what to tell you
Ian Williams
This
Easton Miller
You probably live in a double wide off guvment money neck yourself we don't need you breeding America is already working it's way towards idiocracy we don't need sub humans with downs breeding
Carter Jenkins
At least he isnt mooching off his parents like you . So , yang or Bernie? You fucking tumor
Carter Nguyen
samefag you don't know the first thing about economics but since the tv told you its bad it must be true
Thomas Moore
Literally Obama did all of these and noone cared when he was in office. Support the middle east = drone strikes Tax the middle class hurrrderrre Its fine when the dems do stupid shit because the media supports their narrative but when the republicans do the exact same thing and the media spins it and people like you drink the koolaid
Parker Parker
Obama never attacked Iran you 8th grade dipshit.
Stop posting.
Juan Jones
>I live at my mom's >I post Google Gobbledygook
Jeremiah Butler
Hes mooching of the government like the spades so he should kill himself and so should you
Chase Reed
hypocrite
no more posts
Wyatt Long
>don't know the first thing about economics and your stupid President with 5 bankruptcies does?
LOL
Lucas Fisher
>muh samefag Nope >hurr duh teevee Tv and radio are for niggers and i already said i dont like trump i just call like i see it .
One day all the shit will stop when the last boomer finally says his last hatespeech and we will all live in lando's cloud city because lando can see past the hate. Lando is love. There is no true sith its all a white propganda to spread fear and hate.
>muh 5 bankrupsees Out of how many successes? Goddamn you are bad at this
Nathan Perry
>Lets give illegals free healthcare You mean everyone will have healthcare, and no it won't be "free" >-Lets give niggers free money just for being niggers Your racism speaks for itself >-A massive faggot running for president so does your homophobia
fuck off
Ryder Garcia
Sound butthurt there Putin
Isaiah Wright
yang gang 2020
Luis Foster
Trump also bitches about how bad the debt is it's just to get half wits to follow his lead like the sheep they are anyone who thinks bern or him are any good need to be castrated
Jace Sanders
Kek keep proving you are a basic bitch with no reading comp
Dylan Lewis
Not many. You'd probably be dumb enough to buy Trump Steaks too.
Ethan Long
Is a bankruptcy bad if you use it to make more money? Just saying dude is smart.
Brandon Foster
>Obama attacked Iran liar
Lincoln Long
stop posting hypocrite
Matthew Diaz
I keep saying i do not think trump is any good but you cum guzzling faggots are too nigger fucking dumb to see what it is i am trying to say
Wyatt Sanders
>it's ok if you use bankruptcy to rip off your investors
notice how none of these trolls post again after getting called out once
Adam Anderson
Fuck em
Muh capitalism
Why would the loopholes and benefits exist if we aren't supposed to use them.
Daniel White
Yes you are disputing fact because the debt in fact doesn't matter Trump and the other government cucks use it as a talking point
Brody Cook
Where did you get your 3rd grade spelling abilities jethrow.
Levi Reyes
Notice how this shill is a bitch
Tyler Cook
Oddly enough, stability. Out of the chaos of the Trump administration, they've somehow achieved economic stability over the last three years. I work with people in the trades and they all have more jobs than they can handle. Trump does pretty much everything wrong, but the results are mostly positive. As long as the economy is cooking, he's all right by me.
Dylan Reed
you were told to shut up hypocrite
James Long
Its putting facts of the matter out there , if you are going to attack trump attack him for shit he actually has said or did . Shit flinging is a waste of time >pic related Then again you probably would like what he said here because you seem like the type of faggot that hates water pistols as much as real guns
Jobs are up Unemployment is down Minimum wage has increased
Tell me more about how your precious dems did this
Brody Miller
>Oddly enough, stability. oh yeah a total revolving door of quitting staff=stability countries worrying about our next move=stability no plan for climate change, health care, education=stability what flavor of paint chips are we enjoying tonight?
Joshua Young
The fact you locked on to trump but cannot face the fact your precious nigger with his tranny "wife" drove it up substantially more . Keep squirming , worm
Austin Martin
So you really are basically just a trumpshit defending shit
shocking
Charles Murphy
source: fox and friends
Benjamin Price
>your precious nigger your butthurt honesty is as amusing as it is refreshing trumpshit
Jayden Diaz
I think that would be the individuals of state governments not the groups in Washington
James Edwards
You do not even know what you are saying . Oh well , it was my mistake to give you the benefit of the doubt in the first place .
Jose Rivera
I understand why the deficit went up under Obama. Bush left us a mess, and shit costs money.
Your dumb President was supposed to be all fiscal and instead he gave rich people a tax cut and jacked up the deficit two trillion dollars.
You're a hypocrite.
Adrian Sanders
Orange man baddddd Deytookouriibbbsss
Elijah Parker
>muh butthurt I bet you hunt snipes and snarks on weekends as well
Jonathan Lewis
I know exactly what I'm saying: that you literally can't criticize the shitstain you elected.
Dylan Fisher
Source The census Any job statistics source
Connor Clark
hypocrite
William Parker
>The only things that matter. >1: What other people think. >2: Bigger Government >3: How we're going to industrially castrate ourselves while allowing China and India to continue what they're doing. >4: Who's going to pay my bills, because I'm sure as hell not
user you're the sniveling racist buttmad that Obama is regarded as a shining success.
Angel Peterson
>source: myass.com
Nolan Butler
Got to spend money to make money. I guess we'll see if it pans out.
Jayden Watson
Name a president who hasnt drove up the debt on the last 95 or so years . By any amount
Hunter Martin
There is literally no evidence that Trump's "economy" (lol) raised the minimum wage.
Anywhere. You are a liar. Do not post again.
Henry Carter
It is impossible to have small government in a country of 300 million, user. If you weren't hardwired to think like an 8th grader you might know that.
Anthony Reyes
Yes. Resignation to avoid impeachment.
Josiah Diaz
I already have , in this very thread . But you are too fucking dumb to see that because you have the powers of observation of a little girl with downs syndrome
Jacob Cook
Did i hurt your feelings dick for brains? Can you feel the truth?
Evan Hughes
I don't care. I realize why it's necessary to raise the debt at times. You gave Obama shit if he raised it one cent.
You're a hypocrite. No more posts after this one.
Jack Russell
You sir are a denier.
Jack Hill
No you didn't. You were too busy calling people "faggots niggers" yelling about "free shit."
You're shit. Shit.
Gabriel Sullivan
>Obama is regarded as a shining success. By who? The Obama administration was the first that never had a whole year of 3 percent growth. On top of that, the FED never increased interest rates on him.
Owen Kelly
>the truth that your President is a crook, a con man and a liar and you bought into it lock stock and barrel?
Owen Diaz
Stop posting hypocrite
Christian Sanders
It does not surprise me since liars,thieves and rapists took over this country and have their little limp wrist sphincter slaves like you to go out and poorly attempt to shout down and dissenting opinions
William Young
>Obama was a NIGGER >we don't want NIGGERS to be President >don't ever elect a NIGGER again
LOL
Jeremiah Sanchez
Who cares I was the guy that suggests that the accountant
Aiden Young
Your opinions are shit. You're a racist, a homophobe and you think progress means "free shit."
Caleb Howard
>being this oblivious You have to be a troll . Not even fatass sjw college chicks are this dumb
Carson Fisher
if you're not OP then you need to devote an entire post rebutting his points.
Go. Your only chance.
Luis Barnes
>NOMORENOMORENOMORE KEK you really are ass blasted . Cry harder nigger
Christopher Garcia
These two are definitely cucks
Josiah Gray
you got your ass handed to you hypocrite
stop posting
Grayson Ross
You're definitely an enabler.
John Martin
Putin cucked your President. I wouldn't be calling other people that.
>muh progress You are just a subhuman globalist cuck with no real worth . A stain upon this planet . And you do not know the meaning of the term "progress" . Me trying to explain anything to you is like a martian trying to teach a sea cucumber geometry
Ayden Gomez
>you're a subhuman globalist cuck mad
Brayden Moore
>And you do not know the meaning of the term "progress"
You can't "explain" anything. Because when you do you get your ass handed to you again.
Ryder Allen
These two. Eat ass
Aaron Lewis
>he's using reddit spacing let's go full on nazi with him
lol
Alexander Turner
You eat Presidential mushroom cock
Tyler James
>u gawt ur asz handud 2 u Then why continue to try so hard? You are absolutely seething ass mad because you know what i say is true and your last line of defense is the little tantrum you are throwing right now . P O T T E R Y
Lincoln Ward
I was done here a while back.
Jayden Baker
I emphasized economic stability. I also alluded to the chaos of his administration. The other things you mentioned may or may not be addressed in the future - I don't know and neither do you. All I truly know is times are good, people are making money, there's no war, and Trump has been successful even though the left will not even grudgingly admit it. Aren't these exactly the things a president is supposed to provide?
Aaron Cox
Refer to this since you are too stupid to be able to do it on your own .
Adam Morales
You are damn right you were . Just not in the sense you mean . kek
Samuel Rogers
You're the one who knows what it looks like
Grayson Collins
>All I truly know is times are good >people are making money, if you're white and rich >there's no war except for when your dumb President almost attacked Iran >and Trump has been successful at what? Gutting the EPA? Packing his Cabinet with unqualified billionaire cronies? Trying to ban Muslims? Mobilizing fascism like ICE? Those are "successes" to you?
>s-shut up You are so assmad i fear for small animals in your neighborhood. I bet you kick cats and dogs .... yeah .... you are definitely one of those types
Christian Reyes
It's amazing how you just can't shut up after the discussion is over.
hypocrite
Carter Adams
You have been visited by the Laura of dead and dying threads.
This thread doesn't have much longer left to live. No need to mourn though; having reached the bump limit, the thread has lived a full life. Its popularity is a good indicator that the thread and its anons will live on in future iterations.