There are 20 million vacant homes and 4 million homeless people...

analogy only works if OP doesn't use it, fuckwit

why should we pay rent if they don't have to?

ever think about that?

why should we pay the mortgage?

so you are saying free homes? what about the people who built them and their families? why should they build them if they have to do it for free?

thats the problem, nothing is free. but you want to steal other peoples labor.

Either this is bait or you're actually an idiot. Have a (you)

he got trips, you've got to do it OP

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Because SOMEBODY owns thouse homes. I agree thou op, we gotta do something, I cant help but notice your backyard has space. That's why I've tracked your ip adress and am sending homeless people to go camp out in your yard. Your a saint op.

Country’s

>capitalists

You wouldn't have food if you were a communist.

>Put homeless people in houses
>They destroy them because almost all homeless are mentally ill or drug abusers neither of which can care for themselves or any kind of property.
Hand outs to people who will squander them is a waste of time and resources.

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Free stuff? Why work?

Google says there are only 1.5 million vacant homes and condos and 553,000 homeless people in America not that this is right. That said, people aren’t usually homeless just because they don’t have a home. They probably had a home at one point and then lost it. How will giving them a home prevent that from happening again?

there should definitely be stronger regulations on arbitrary inflation, but the government shouldn't play any part in seizure and repossession
the thing is the majority of the US doesn't give any shits and just accepts the system, exemplified by a "real estate mogul" being elected president shortly after a recession caused by the real estate industry

exactly. They will enjoy having shelter until they destroy it. Homes require upkeep. Junkies don't do upkeep. Eventually it will be overcome with mold or burn to the ground and they'll move on to the next crack den.

To all the Republitards in the thread saying fuck homeless people, did you know that 60% of homeless people in America are veterans? As Republitards it's your duty to suck the cock of the veterans, is it not? Can't have it both ways, you Mitch McConnell loving hypocrites.

Only because the bullies say so.

It's usually the banks that own the vacant homes. Yes a few actual people own second or third homes they never see, but most of the time it's not even a person, but a corporation holding out for money that owns these.

Because the reason we have such a surplus of homes is because we protect private property rights.

If you don't have a guarantee that your property is protected why bother building up a resource base at all?

Mr President, is that you?

>Google says

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em·i·nent do·main
the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation.

>Give me one good reason.
It’s unlawful

>Public use
My house is not someone else’s dumpster

>somebody owns them
Hmmmm I wonder who? couldn't be the banks could it?

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That word means nothing these days.

This is one of the stupidest arguments there is. The idea that any individual can significantly affect the current state of affairs is ridiculous. Let me demonstrate with an example.
Don't like ISIS? Why don't you go fight them? The government doesn't need to do that.
Don't like immigrants? Why don't YOU build the wall? The government doesn't need to do that.

>believing the reason people own property is for living

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Whoa there Skippy, I know it's summer but just, no

One must question why all the redditors are on one side of this issue. One must also question that if they're on the side of these retards, maybe they're on the wrong side of this issue.

It's not your home you dumb cunt. It's a home that the banks stole in 2008 when the banks fucked everyone over. We're just giving it back to the people

>It's not your home you dumb cunt.
My name is on the title deed and I paid for it, so yes it is.

>banks fucked everyone over
Banks fucked people that couldn’t read the fine fucking print

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Or it could be a house that Betsy DeVos owns and forgot to visit.

you've never owned a house have you?

So you expect me to believe that you're the proud owner of several million vacant homes?

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I own one of those homes. Sorry for the miscommunication

No, pretty sure the economic collapse fucked everyone you stupid cunt. Cant blame you though, you were probably like 5 years old in 2008.

I'd rather give the homeless free rehab and community service jobs like picking up trash or simple jobs that pay them minimum. I dont want homeless to get a free ride but they do deserve a chance to become part of society again

One house is a home. More than one house is conspicuous consumption.

Redpanels is a known holocaust denier racist fag.

Not even remotely true. By in large they are your neighbors that hit a road bump. If your litmus abusing drugs or alcohol then there gonna be another 50m bums. Most people have the luxury of getting fucked up in thier private domicile.

Housing costs compared to wages is the number 1 driver of homelessness

Form the homeless into an organized force to be deployed to other countries that flout our immigration laws. Have them fuck over those countries for pay. The more they fuck them over the more pay awaits. Tax free too.

Why does that invalidates any good argument they would have? You're a piece of shit but I still read and consider what you say.

Private property is amoral, personal property is not.

because it took money to build the homes, and homeless people, whats he guarantee that theyll generate money?

Suck my big black cock you stupid faggot

bc rich people control everything

why?

>personal property is not.
My personal property is private.

So was Hadrian. Big deal.

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Well fuck in Atlanta they could just walk over and start building if the cops wouldn't spend thousands of compelled taxpayer dollars throwing away what small amount of kit thousands of willing tax payer dollars provided.

be careful not to resort to ad hominem attacks.

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>flout our immigration laws
an' steelin' er jerbs guldmammit.

Because the homeless wouldn't take care of them. There at the point where they can legit shit on the street and get high and no one blinks an eye.

Because that would be compassionate, and greedy capitalists have black, soulless hearts incapable of compassion. Showing compassion would literally kill one of these selfish motherfuckers.

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You like that sort of thing? Sounds like you're a closet /pol/troon.

Because you make money off of capital (private) property. Everyone should be able to access the basics of survival plus whatever labor can afford that you actively use. You can't put up a shitty slum without some absentee landowner kicking the homeless out under force of arrest which ultimately costs far more than just providing adequate social security to people.

It's all they can do.

BUILD FIRES HE SAYS... let some random homeless person in your house sometime. lets see how much responsibility they are willing to impart on themselves to preserve your nice warm home and reward your faith in humanity. There are some out there that will be grateful, but I fear for the most part that neighborhood of empty houses will be burned to the ground in no time at all if you just gave them up.

when, I don't think even hobos want some giant and useless suburban house in the middle of nowhere, so most of those vacant homes aren't really useful

Some rich guy in California built a bunch of tiny houses for the homeless there and the government there had them all torn down.

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There are 5 million spare bedrooms in people's houses and apartments that aren't being used. Why doesn't the government simply force people to take in homeless roomates?

They're not prisoners ffs. Some of them are beyond having productive members of society due to mental illness. Some are just hard on their luck, some are junkies who can't hold down a job. There's no one easy solution, as each individual will need help on a case by case basis.

A lot of homeless people/addicts so far gone need to be killed off instead of shipping them to the desert or inner cities like LA and Chicago

If someone is consistently wrong and bad, its fair to assume the rest is wrong and bad.

This comic is just a boomer saying "If you dont like capitalism you shouldnt own a phone"; given more than 3 secs of thought its retarded.

>B. Lester
Yeah, right.
Lester B. Pearson, Canadian politician and diplomat who served as prime minister of Canada (1963-68).

30th Homeless brigade reporting for duty. The dirty 30. We seen some shit man. Turned Honduras into fuckin Mogadishu overnight. Earned our fucking pay.

If you lived in the street and had 20 applications for social services and housing denied (because you aren't desperate enough but the service providers are getting paid by application accepted) would you give up an just get fucked up with your panhandled dollars? What about people living in thier cars?

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Probably because dicks like you treat them like an animal at a cage in the zoo. Hope one of them mugs you sometime, you got it coming

Zoning and code laws should be liberalized greatly. Adverse possession should be shortened to 12 months.

I was not arguing the points of the comic, just pointing out the guy is bad. The comic stupid by its own merit. Wanting a more socialist society (health care etc.) does not mean you should shoot yourself in the foot, you need money in a capitalist society.

>You should be killed because you won’t let random strangers off the streets into your home
Amazing

A balance can exist in society besides the huge differential favoring capital over labor.

No, pretty sure it just fucked the stupid. My net worth damn near doubled because of the cheap property I bought from those idiots who didn't read their terms.

No, not your home. That's personal property but certainly the empty shopping center you are a shareholder in. You the one who brought up killed, I just think it should be used in a year or two or you lose it to the civic good. No jail time or execution needed just forfiture. Same as someone getting caught with a few thousand in cash now.

>you need money in a capitalist society
Not necessarily.
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." – Louis Blanc

There are lampposts and rope for your type soon

>only works if he doesn't use it
Hes using it wrong clearly, just like the owners of the vacant homes are using them wrongly

>the empty shopping center you are a shareholder in.
Why would I have any sort of investment in an empty shopping center?

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homeless won't take care of them

doesn't give answer

lmao yeah lets just trown them in vacant homes with mold and many other hazards. That isnt a lawsuit wating to happen ahahahah the left is so fucking naive

98% of homeless people are homeless because they repeatedly make shit choices, such as spend money on weed instead of paying rent

fuck you homeless niggers

If you own any index funds in the S&P 500 or similar indexs you own plenty. If you don't why the fuck are you worried about absentee landowners? Are you planning on becoming a richfag? Because I got news for you, you won't and have no chance like most people. Sure outliers exist but people also die of lightning strikes.

People living in cars.

Imagine owning a house. Doesn't matter what kind. It's your house. Know imagine a group of folks living in theirs cars in front of your house. No regard for the trash and human waste they make. You can no longer have packages delivered because they are stolen. They are loud. But if you even complain once or even think a bad thought you are a bad person.

Okay but who pays for the property taxes?

>Are you planning on becoming a richfag?
I guess if you consider the dream of becoming middle class as rich.

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when your fighting for whats good by taking others stuff but not giving up your own crap

I 100% agree. Im all for capitalism, just not American capitalism. Or even UK, we have NHS but still kids are starving, 75% Probably never be able to afford a house etc.

I just want people to be able to live without having to worry about money. People shouldnt be killing themselves because they cant pay rent.

Nah m8 how about you let them stay at the library parking lot but then your privlaged NIMBY ass complains to the city council that it is unsafe nevermind they are already living in cars all around you, you just don't fucking notice.
Boom, you have Venice Beach 2019. The mecca of virtue signaling. It isn't a right left deal my man. It's a lack of empathy deal

Great. That and $5 will buy you a cheeseburger.

America has no poor, we are a society of temporary embarrassed millionaires.

It is not feasible to just live in the woods anymore; because some cunt probably owns those woods.

then stop taxing peoples income, starting with the FICA and SSI taxes

remember, for the self employed, they work an hour and a half a day exclusively for the govt in the form of the 15% FICA/SSI they pay

fuck you govt

user you’re scaring me. Your posts aren’t making any sense

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You need markets to function without FYIGM setting in which is where Western "democracy" seems to have led

I have homeless folks shit on the sidewalk where I live. It helps my cardio to avoid it. You know when life gives you lemons.

Ask commifornia to do it. They have a shitton if homeless

That's because your intellect is about 1.5" deep and the people that do your reading for you swear it is a good book

this retarded

Hey how about you spend $20/week making hygiene kits and give them out on your runs. That's 4 fresh smelling, less street shitting bums a week. Plus you make life less shitty for all concerned.

>why doesn't the government just take from private citizens?
because in america we have personal property
what happened to the soviet union again?

Many of them don't need houses, they need a psych/AODA committment and also because having a house and being able to maintain/pay to upkeep a house are different

we need to raise taxes on corporations and create a max to the amount CEOs can make and shift that money towards government subsidies which can be used to house homeless individuals in these empty homes. home owners will get their money. jobs can be created to maintain the homes and to ensure these individuals transition into their new homes.

Well have fun user. I still want no transients or homeless people around where I live

restructuring the laws so the vast majority of the money isn't funneled from the working class to the parasite class is kind of different from a few liberals giving all their money away and the system still being broken

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Because the homeless nigger/spics/white trash burnouts would destroy them like they have their lives. You think homeless people aren't homeless by choice you fucking retard.

Which show you how retard homeless people are

And there it is! How is that vodka tonight Sergi? Or is it still black tea with rye crackers and marinated herring early in the shift?

No. I would rather someone (including myself) get paid 200 buck less a month than a kid be homeless or die because they cant afford healthcare.

Because the houses are not theirs.

>just cuz

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Here's a few ideas:
1. Quietly move all the homeless to detroit over a night and then use all the military resources to build a wall around the whole city.
2. Take a building with enough food for a month and beds in it. Have some cameras hidden around the building and then let an appropriate number of homeless people live in there. Tell them that they'll need to watch out for themselves and that the outside laws don't apply to them anymore so they'll have to work out a moral system of their own.
Could be a good tv show and point of reference for humanity.
3. Ship them to Mexico and Syria. Not with any malicious intent, just move them there with their stuff.
4. Offer them a city where they can build and do their own things. Close it off from rest of the population.

Hell no. The city gave them public restrooms. They legit destroyed them or turned them into drug dens / sexual assault hideaways. Then they ban plastic bags and took away the sole sanitation resource. We have about 9k documented homeless. They have cleaned multiple tons of trash from underpasses. I've had homeless knock on my door at 2 in the morning asking if I had any smokes. Unless you live in a city with same issue, go suck some homeless cock.

And start another bubble? Because giving away almost free homes to people who couldn't afford is what caused the Great Recession, not "the banks".

You pretty much describe Baltimore

Because property rights. Fuck off, commie.

The very sad truth is that most homeless are hopeless retard who’ve been giving every possible opportunity he kept finding way to fail.

How bout he buys a gat and some bullets and puts some retarded faggots down instead so there's no need for any more hygiene kits in the future.

I dont live in the united states but i work for an organization that works to get homeless people into propper housing up here in canada. We have a large homeless population where im at.
The main problem with most of the people on the street here is mental illness and or a lot of hard drug/alcohol use. Some times its hard to house them, they simply dont want to leave the streets. I've also been to LA and have spoken to people there in a couple different organizations, they deal with the same problem. They do try to house a lot of them, a lot of them simply dont want it

>Because you make money off of capital (private) property
Why is that immoral?
Owning machines built by someone else, owning land that you worked hard at making viable to live on, doesn't sound immoral to me.

I think capitalism has it's flaws, and I don't like An-Caps or Lolbertarians but Communists are wrong too.
I think the solution we are searching for is a currency based on labor. Nationalism friend.
Check out E. Michael Jones

Cuck

let me guess, profit is theft too?

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I do but I would like to actually minimize this instead of shove my fingers in my ears and pretend I'm morally superior.

Kinda funny, but providing a room for bums is safer and cheaper than not.

Some yes.
Some are just unlucky cunts who cant find work, dont get social housing because they fall to the bottom of the priority list because they are single men with no kids.

Please go do that, it will solve both our issues.

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>To live on
I surprised you can't get it through your head if you actively use it it is personal not private property.

homeless would destroy those houses. They're mostly mentally ill, or drugs addicts. They won't care for a house, they'll probably burn it down.

Die you stupid selfish cunt.
This is why people hate Americans. All about yourselves, couldnt care less about your fellow man. Truly fucking pigs.

>Don't like immigrants? Why don't YOU build the wall?
Except the government won't allow people to build the wall or police our borders.
Some people at the border got arrested for being their own private border patrol

There will be a civil war over this issue in a few years

>give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach him to fish, feed him for life

they can't even take care of themselves let alone a house. are taxes payers gunna have to pay their utilities and repair bills too? what about replacing appliances or any of the other cost that come with home-ownership.

>people do have stuff cause others are greedy

maybe 15% op, the rest is people don't have things because they haven't earned and don't deserve them.

you're fucking stupid op and as always, a faggot.

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No, profit is needed in a market economy as an incentive. But paying your CEO 1400x your median workers pay certainly is amoral.

That’s a very marginal part of the homeless population.

While those case exist, they usually are able to get themselves back up pretty quickly.

Even by panhandling you can make hundreds of dollars everyday.

Most junkies spend hundreds ( plural ) of dollars a weeks on their addiction.

They actually tell us to not give any help to the homeless. It prevents them from seeking social services and getting the help they need to get off the streets. A majority enjoy living off grid as they don't have to contribute to society. Also if they qualify they can receive about 1200$ on the first of the month, that's why the homeless aren't as visible.

It's a choice to be homeless. You don't end up in the streets overnight. Go make some feel good kits and give them out. Pick the crazy ones first.

because homeless people are crazy and destroy everything, let alone would they upkeep on the property, and were all against destroying all those homes which took millions of man hours to produce in the first place

Then become a ceo, get paid 1400x your median worker

Give away to 1398 homeless and you’d still make twice the median wage

>There will be a civil war over this issue in a few years
lol i wouldn't put it past southern racists to rebel over people fleeing american meddling and drug gangs funded by the drug war. they're kind of big on blaming their problems on people with no money and no power. but they will lose again if they try

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Utah gave the homeless pre fab homes and the lands to live in and maintain it free of taxation and the end game was only 10% refused to take it because thet were the druggies.
In LA the well known skid rd or santa ana California the concentrated homeless population started in mid 70's and the best they did in Santa ana was house them at a old bust terminal tha closed 13 yrs ago
Population at the terminal is 400+ and run by a nonprofit that profits from them
Providers used to provide 3 meals a day but then the nonprofit requested the money not the food and joined with the local politicians and started to charge for permits so they all left.
Now the meal consist hot dogs and cup of noodles soups 3 times a day

Because the government doesn't own those houses, you fucking commie. Homeless people have the right to get a damn job.

oh, you believe in the right to a job too, fellow liberal? not just the right to ask and be told "no"

I'm impressed.

No they arent my neighbors. my neighbors are normal people with family and friends. If they hit a road bump there are people who know them and trust them so they will always have a place to stay because theyre not batshit crazy. You have to be retarded and crazy to be homeless.

A lot of profits are made by paying workers the lowest possible wage. So on a philosophical note it can be theft of peoples ambitions and time investment. At what point can a firm decide keeping profit for growth is enough, and begin distributing profits more fairly to invested employees?

more?

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Because you make the money by hurting specific people. If you aren't responsible enough to prevent that, you shouldn't be able to manage a business or own capital past a certain limit.

Yes 80% are just addicts or losers but even within that pool of addicts are people who only turned to that because of there shit situation. Was a big thing with "spice" here in Manchester.

Normal cunts who smoke a bit of weed become unemployed than turn to synthetics because cheap and just spiral.

Obviously to an extent their fault but just think people need to understand not all of them are scumbags just most.

when competition offers their best employees more to work for them instead. if this is not happening, the pay is fair

>Estimate of the number of rounds sold in the US is anywhere from 8 to 15 BILLION per year. Not all of that ammo is getting fired so actual numbers are impossible to determine. The government alone buys 100 of millions of rounds each year. Most ammunition sold in the US is to private individuals.

Why not just shoot them all op

That's what I meant, thanks for correcting me. I haven't finished my coffee yet. Yes, obviously you don't have the right to instantly get a job but you do have the right to apply for one which is what these fucking homeleslies should do.

You utter Tory cunt.

"homeless people actually like it"
Fucking shut up

>Normal
>cunts who smoke a bit of weed become unemployed than turn to synthetics because cheap and just spiral
pick one

Problem is the homeless cant afford the taxes of some of these places. Not to mention the water/waste/gas/electricity so "giving it to them" is outright stupid. You think they would mow the lawn? Garden their flowerbeds? Fix the roof if it has a leak? They are often homeless for a reason, dont ruin a good house trying to help them.

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Ye because im sure a stinking cunt who has worn the same clothes for a year will definitely have equal chance in a job interview.
Think

Monkeys

& from where did you obtain this statistic?

>Yes, obviously you don't have the right to instantly get a job
wrong. if you can use a shovel or move a wheelbarrow you should always have guaranteed access to some public works job. our infrastructure is a D rating and you're telling everybody to all get jobs at mcdonald's

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give them jobs too retard, like in utah

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Ohh britfag detected.

Careful I'll call the internet license police on your to check you internet license.

Also enjoying all them muslim and somali citizens?

Are addicts smoking crack out the womb in your mind? We're (mostly) all normal to start.

I didn't say they were smart, just normal; and If you're saying smoking a bit of bud isn't normal you're just wrong.

Plenty of dirty jobs out there... oh wait, no one wants to do those because they're still spoiled bastards despite being homeless. My mistake.

Ok bait. I own two cars. I mostly drive one. So da govment should take my unused car away from me and give it to someone who needs a car? Hmmmm. Ok. Let’s say I just give it to someone who can’t afford a car. Her ya go. Insurance, registration, plates/tags, maintenance, repairs. A free house: property taxes, utilities, maintenance/upkeep, appliances, furniture. Most people have actually worked for their money. They didn’t inherit it.

Why dont you cut out the middle man and just repeat that youre retarded to everyone you meet? I mean, its not hard to tell but you could save a lot of time.

Homeless people have no trouble gathering some quarters for laundry and finding places to clean themselves. often theyll get gym memberships for the shower.

How do i know? 3 brothers were homeless heroin addicts. panhandled plenty for it all, plus pilfering from walmart for food

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Not a bad idea but union made this impossible

Why dont the homeless just squat in the vacant homes?

No for real. If you can squat in a home you might as well fucking own it. The REAL owners could show up and NOT be able to kick you out. Squatters are subhuman filth that have far too many rights.

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There’s fucking section 8 for lazy nigs. They can have almost no income and rent a small house.

You think you own your house? Even if you have it paied off you still think you own it huh? Try not paying property taxes and tell me exactly how much you own that property.

You pay intrest on a home loan just so you can pay rent to the government.

Oh, stupid cunt who actually believe propaganda about daft no go zones.
Remind me how many attacks have happened here this year? Oh yeah none.

And thst licence patter is shit. Not a bad thing to not allow kids to stab the fuck out of each other.

Go back to watching Sargon and PJw you smooth brained cunt.

Because that's called theft. The government has no right or reason to steal from the people. Are you a Poe?

sadly the majority will say- to get more stuff.... when you realize that you need about 1/2 of minimum wage income you realize that you don't need to work all that much, and sometimes not at all... but many still do, and in fact the ones that make the most work the most/longest... its greed

>cunts who smoke a bit of weed become unemployed than turn to synthetics because cheap and just spiral
lemme make this easy for you. forgot, youre probably retarded
>smoke a bit of weed
>unemployed
>turn to synthetics because cheap

life is really easy. go to work everyday, and youll be alright.

>become unemployed
>become
couldnt be your fault no, probably not the daily pot use either those two things are perfect, lets change the rest of the world to fit those things. retard

kek, is gov still stealing part of your paycheck, boomer?

Because junkies don't care about homes. 95% of them choose to be on the street. Time to tax them at 90%. Time for them to pay their fair share.

If you get a house for free, what incentive does that give working class people to pay for their own house? You don't think OP

>Time for them to pay their fair share.
kek, for what exactly?
you would tax the homeless but not the corps, cuz corps are good, corps gib jewbs... kys

Well you have no guns.

Or access to sharp things.

People still cause violence.

That's why they call y'all the nanny state.

I'll paypal ya 50 quid to go suck a gyspy's dick with pics as proof.

incentive to keep your lifestyle... you would be able to qualify for free housing if you prove you have no equity/value and are truly homeless.

Property tax it too high.

The moral hazard argument. You assume everyone is shitty and don't want to work and have value. Most people want to work and contribute

Youre the idiot just completely twisting my words. Since when does "Smoke a bit of weed" equal smoking every day and being lazy you retard? And i dont even understand your 2nd point, do you think everyone who becomes unemployed is fired?

You misspelled bad zoning restrictions and catering to the high end of the market

no tax if under poverty line fagget

just get a house

Yes because no one that is not homeless is not a drunkard, stoner or getting fucked up multiple times on the daily

>Most people want to work and contribute
nope, most want to work for money, and will happily contribute negatively for money....

Smoke a bit of weed.

Jobs require a drug test. Most have a 48-72 hour window once you sign the acceptance letter.

Don't take job cause you know can't pass. Put in the no hire list shared within recruiter communities.

Not the guy you responded to, I'm , but the counter to what you said is "what happens when there exists a monopoly, potentially a globally recognized one, that the state refuses to step in and break it up and regulate prices and wages?"
We see this with Walmart, Amazon, Boeing, Big Pharma etc. These are all businesses and sectors that thrive on low to no government interference, and the solution of "building your own company to compete" is virtually impossible due to the regulations big business can lobby onto congress, making it impossible for the little guy to start his own business.

The solution to this isn't total state ownership of private businesses of course (we've seen this fail far too many times), but simple price setting, monopoly busting, and investment into the local economy through subsidy and bringing back jobs from overseas is the solution. A socialism, that puts nation and well being of working and middle class people firs and foremost is how you fix the "muh CEO making 1400x muh salary" problem.

If that were true then why don't they do that right now? You people are fucking deluded

The rich already pay 40% of the taxes and take advantage of almost none of it. Homeless pay nothing and are the largest recipients.

>no property tax
>poverty
>being this fucking stupid

That's true of income tax, because you get it back as a refund. You still pay FICA, SSI, excise taxes, sales taxes,ad velorum, gas taxes, building permits, buisness license, etc etc etc etc.

The tax the wealthy pay is capital gains, and it is very low compared to any incomes FICA, SSI and Income tax, not to include all the nickle and dime shit

OP didn't say what we can do in the future, he asked why it doesn't happen now.

>The rich already pay 40% of the taxes and take advantage of almost none of it.
you mean 300k/year..... ask CEOs and owners of big corps how much tax they paid last year.

No the nanny state thing was actually more to do with being a welfare state but whatever. Stop talking about shit you have no knowledge, of course i have easy access to knives I just cant carry them around in the street.

Yes violence happens but 3 fully grown terrorists killed 8 people, compared to 2 teenage losers being able to kill like 30 people because we dont let retards own guns.

Also we do have guns, i could get a shotgun or hunting rifle. We just have proper gun control.

How would society work like this?

it wont be their house, they will live in it. expenses paid by the gov ofc since gov generates utilities

And somehow they still pay the majority while almost 50% pay nothing.

look out the window

>Bernie Sanders detected

You've got my vote

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Jobs dont require drug tests. SOME jobs require drugs test. And again "Smoke a bit of weed" does not mean all the time

There's a big difference between taxing income and just straight taking personal property. Taxes suck but they are necessary to fund the actions of our government. The government has no right to take your property. By your logic the government should be allowed to one healthy kidney from every citizen to give to people who need them to live. I mean, it isn't like you "need" both.

>trump gives trillions to the 1%
>hoses the middle class in his "tax plan"

HAHAHHAHAAHAAA I love it, because I'm the upper 10%, the coastal liberal elite that's benefitting from the retard's tax plan whilst the republican base are getting raped :D

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Why don't you give them your house? How many houses does each guy get? Wouldn't it be easier to make all of us homeless?

>the majority
the majority is transfered to the 80% of people that work for their money... by increasing costs and running through loopholes.... you are blinded by money and seem to be oblivious to wealth generation.

Bwahahahahahhahaha

Go suck shit out of Tucker Carlson's asshole. If you make $10 million a year and I tax you 95% you gonna take off that last quarter to spite the man? Fuck off.

When are you Yea Forumstards going to learn.
Summer changes nothing.
Yea Forumstards are forever.

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If I get taxed 95% I’m moving everything I have out of your jurisdiction

Nah mate your violence is just not reported as much.

You know the EU news don't make for good stories in the states.

Those are government created monopolies. Why would they break them up? How are you so clueless? And why are you so envious?

>Bernie Sanders
If by Bernie Sanders you mean a goy version of him who doesn't counter-signal working class/middle class white people, then sure. If not, then hell no, fuck that sell out.

That isn't it. Real wages not rising for the bottom 95% since the seventies is the problem.
Wages up 16%
Productivity up 158%
I wonder where it all went?

>There's a big difference between taxing income and just straight taking personal property.
google banking holiday of 1933, they already done it, just in reverse. to protect the rich

With unemployment at 3% your a fucking fool

That shit makes no sense. Transferred to the 80%? Loopholes?

because it would ruin 4 million perfectly good vacant homes

Enjoy Belize. We will seize your ownership to pay backed taxes. Hope your kids speak Portuguese.

Smoke a bit of weed once everyone 2 weeks. Still can't pass a drug test for social services.

But it's only a bit. Maybe they will understand.

I enjoy shitting in a bag more then my tiny bit of weed then I enjoy twice a week.

If only I could get into a halfway house.

Least I have my tiny bit of weed every 2 weeks.

Bums are homeless because they're crazy and/or junkies. Trash like this can't keep up a house. Besides, who's going to buy the vacant homes from their owners?

>We will seize your ownership
Yeah good luck pal. You can’t even seize the means of production

You mean like in shithole countries where there are no zoning laws and everybody lives in filth and chaos?

I live in UK you silly cunt and the violence does not happen thats why it isnt reported.

The main source of violence here is right wing cunt beating up fags and brown cunt because theyre just as braindead as you and believe this fucking nonsense.

>Those are government created monopolies.
OK, I see where you're coming from. You're making the same libertarian argument I made 2 years ago. And I agree with you to an extent, but how do you go about fixing that problem without an equal and opposite state interference that comes grass-roots style from the people? Because surely capitalists aren't going to stop themselves.

This is a decent /b thread. One in a million now.

You put the 2 week thing there not me.

No, i think anyone who manages to stay unemployed so long theyve exhausted their friends and family of their good will is a lazy cunt that uses some kind of drug daily.

pot does not equal lazy and stupid
lazy and stupid often equals pot though

kek, 1st they get these low numbers by defining who is 'unemployed' ... unemployed means actively looking for a job, many don't and don;t qualify for that term... second, people fuck each other over for money and there are even entire sectors dedicated to it.... quick-loans, financing, ad companies. they all contribute closes to none and make all their profit by praying on peoples mistakes/bad judgment.

I know you live the UK.

I'm just rustling your jimmies at this point.

I would buy you pint at the pub though. Seem like decent enough person.

The gubmint should lower the acceptable housing standards so some of the less shitty but still condemned homes are acceptable, and then buy then from the banks for dirt cheap and give them to homeless people tax free for a few years.

That's the minimum amount of time weed can be in your system if your not a chronic user.

>Yea Forumstards (mostly college age) all get summer jobs or internships and leave
>place floods with middle schoolers
>net numbers the same

you as a lil ant generate income, they put a value on that by giving you some sheckels, gov decides to tax them more, they increase the costs/cut benefits/wages till they make the same money. if something changes and they profit more they keep the profits without letting you make more/providing you with more... still think they 'pay' their dues?

Too bad, they and the muzzies are coming and there is a party in your mouth.

Actual unemployment is still up around 22%. I'
m sure you'll disagree and sperg out over the word "alternative".

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There are homeless families where the parents work but they still live in a car. Shit happens to people. Obviously the insane homeless people or the heroin addicts wouldn't be allowed free houses

How does this fit in with property taxes?

Nah I’m good dude. I live somewhere nice

Because its not fair.

What part of "a socialism that puts nation first" do you not understand? What do you think NATION means?

>capitalists aren't going to stop
If they're not sheltered by the state they'll have no choice.

Fuck pubs, just old bastards.

In all serious though i mean no offence just understand this "No go zone" patter is shit i hear daily and is just not true.

Can't take your home but we can take the homes of millions in Detroit?

What makes you better then any other DemocRat or Repugnantcan?

why won’t liberal San Francisco all move to Detroit and Baltimore where house as big as a 3 million $ property in SF goes for less 100k( some way way way less) and house themself for less than a tenth of they pay in sf, then give all the money they save to house the homeless

It's cool mate.

>fair

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That is gentrification. very bad.

Why not the average Bernie voter don’t become ceo of billion dollars company and then give all the profit to poor people

Have you even seen a yearly fanancial? They pay fuckloads. What's left is either spent on capital, expansion, or employees.

There is no bubble the banks do this shit to you over and over and you let them.

Get rid of the fucking private banks!

Nationalize Visa,etc and all the banks.

Let Congress control the issuance of currency.
End of problem.

Look up Mammon.

This is a tough issue honestly. On one hand we shouldn't incentivize homelessness. On the other hand it would be morally wrong to stand by and watch my brothers suffer while offering no help. I personally couldn't contribute any funds or labor to the cause because of the same issues that homeless people deal with, e.g. being poor. What a time to be alive.

Because libs already ruined those places.

Because capitalism. Worked for America so far but you take out the bottom cards and the whole house will collapse.

Yes guy, I know. What SOLUTION do you have to go about fixing that, other than BY MEANS OF STATE? And I don't even fully agree that it is propagation by the state that is the source of the problem. The problem is equally as much lack of state involvement. Which brings up the point: perhaps it is not the government in of itself that is the problem, but who is in charge of said government that's the problem.

turn them into temporary slaves
>capture all homelessmon
option 1:
>put explosive slave collars on them
ship them to the farm
>tell them that if they try to escape, they die violently
option 2:
>put trackers on them
>tell them that escape from the farm means they go to prison, then back to the farm again
>set them up with community housing, drug rehabilitation for junkies, mental health support for crazies, healthcare for sick, jobs and education within the farm, and food/water/entertainment
>they must spend 5 years on the farm
>after 5 years, they can leave, or stay on the farm as official workers
>those leaving must have jobs and housing set up
>first 6 months has transportation and food support
>those who rent to the rehabilitated from the farm get
>once one farm fills up, open another
>creates jobs
>rehabilitates junkies/crazies/sick
>can be televised for more money
bam I solved the homelessness, joblessness, and i need a nobel prize

doesn't fix the issue just changes its name
ever heard of a crack house?

>They pay fuckloads. What's left is either spent on capital, expansion, or employees.
if THEY paid they would not make money... they make disturbing amount of money while hiding under loopholes of 'not taxable investments, expenses and expansion costs', and whatever they actually pay up, is generated by the ants anyway.
if you rent a house, who pays property taxes? the owner or you the renter?

Sure but they seem to like nigs and junkies.

They should have no issues living there.

Better yet they hate America, they could all move to socialist Mexico and live with those bright and nice immigrant.

>Worked for America so far
Really? Because over the past 45 years, middle and lower class wages have shrunk by 18% and 22% respectively, not to mention the size of the middle class has dropped by 15%, and the size of the lower class has increased by almost 20%.

Your complete inability to understand basic economics does make you a very good socialist

But the purchase power increase

The average poor American live better nowadays than any kings in the middle age

you say it like you have no problem with it. like somehow this won't effect you negatively. in which point I have to ask, why do you care about it enough to bring it up than?

>The average poor American live better nowadays than any kings in the middle age
The average poor american lives WORSE than they did 45 years ago you dumb-dumb. If most americans are WORSE off now than they were 45 years ago, WHAT CHANGED?

A majority of them aren't, are you retarded or something?

>The average poor American live better nowadays than any kings
where the fuck are my servants?

What would removing all corp status look like? No more protections from the state. Impose a flat income tax, scrap medicare, SSDI, worker comp, etc., or make them voluntary (depending on 401k or whatever you plan for retirement). People 50 get an option to take it or let it ride. Fuck man... this is way to big a discussion for a timed board full of negroids.

but why would you have wooden doors on a gas chamber? there's a reason why jews are historically evicted and it's because they're satanic money grubbing niggers

Well there’s more minority and more socialism than 45 year ago for a start

But even then you definition of poor is now someone with a house/apartment, a car , a cell phone, internet , who smoke and drink.

Not so bad is it

>Because capitalism
Everyone who keeps using this word should learn what it is before you blame it. Amazon, Apple, MS are only partial capitalist, and I guarantee you that's not the part you're pissed off at.

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Yes, THEY pay a lot. Look up how much just employer taxes are.

Because I will be dead soon.

You have a computer and internet for a start

You have electricity which mean you have at the minimum heating and more than likely AC.

You have the choice to eat pretty much anything, you have leisure time , you have acces to clean clothe daily.

Yes, because some random retard with a website is more knowledgeable than the government agency whose mission is to track unemployment.

>What would removing all corp status look like?
It would look like the state shifting power away from capitalists, neo-liberals, post-modernists etc. and into the hands of every day people like you and me. Just getting rid of government isn't enough, and there is no guarantee that the natural monopolies that exists would lose considerable enough power to make a difference.

in order for them to PAY they will need to generate wealth, but they don't... they garnish the wealth generated and give only part of it to the government/society- which BTW is all you idiots...

i was fucking with you, this is often my argument when i talk to unhappy people. I 100% agree with you... but slaves would be nice.

Also, have you though how much they would save if they weren't taxed so heavily? I bet you'd get a raise. Chances are the product/service price would also go down, which would also grow production. Maybe we can start with all these overlapping regulations, OSHA, ADA, EPA, and maybe stop pushing nanny regs that only benefit the state. It would also cut courts and lawyer costs.

And this loophole thing. It's not a thing. It's part of the tax code that they get to take advantage of when that criteria is met.

Because 90 percent + of homeless are drug addicted criminals.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw

How many vacant graves are there? Would be more fair if we just put all the homeless there instead of stealing homes. I fucking hate boomers, but I believe priority should go to people who are good and willing to buy but are otherwise priced out because of old fuckers who won't die. Bury the boomers and homeless together I say. I don't mind paying twice, thrice, or even 5 times as much as they did for the house, but they are just being assholes once they expect over 500% gains. At that point they should just get into cryptocurrency if they really need 100x moonshots.

I'm 42 nigger and I grew up in a broke as fuck family. Everyone was broke. Shitty old homes, 30 year-old broken down wood trucks, most clothes were hand-me-downs or thrift store. There's no way I'd wish to go back to that era.

>Well there’s more minority
right, you're on the correct path
>and more socialism
half-way right, kinda veering off the path. The socialism that exists is a kind that results in a net transfer of resources from white middle class people to spics and nigs. That's just what happens when there exists a multicultural nation and a relatively free market.

>But even then you definition of poor is now someone with a house/apartment, a car , a cell phone, internet , who smoke and drink.
You're forgetting that the size of the lower class has grown by almost 20% over the last 5 decades. Don't you want more poor people to become middle class? I'm not saying everyone can become middle class, but if the size has decreased over time, surely it can increase.

>government agencies always show the worst numbers
Did you even read the text at the top. They count the people that have given up looking and not counting 2 part-time jobs as two people.

You're missing the point, double nigger. If you were to start your life off NOW, you'd be objectively worse off 42 years from now if trends continue as they have over the past few decades.

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Only In mother Russia

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History shows that monopolies don't last very long. They're top-heavy and bloated. Ripe competition for the lean newcomer. The monopoly thing is mostly a myth, unless it's a gov't supported, bailed out, or contracted one.

Wonder what happened. Oh yeah, computers and automation are doing most of the work. Why pay the person more if they're doing less? No no, actually justify that to someone who doesn't have to.
I'll tell you this, I was on the way to the top of a company. Got fired, but that's aside the point. I was putting in overtime and busting ass and became the bosses favorite for sure. I suggested to some people they get dual monitors so they can be more productive. Literally got told "I don't want to be more productive". Plenty of other useless asses sitting in chairs doing something I could write a script for, and I'm not even a CS major.
Point is I completely fucking get it. Fuck these poor unmotivated asses. They're content. If they needed more money they're certainly not working like they want it.
If I'm busting my ass this much harder I'm going to pay myself that much higher. It is not easy climbing that ladder.

You have a very distorted view of how things work and it' obvious you're retarded. You would come across like you know a little if you stop making so many assumptions.

Awaiting your potato reply...

[citation needed]

Your landscaping guy and your house cleaner

>History shows that monopolies don't last very long.
Oh really? History shows a powerhouse of a private corporation such as Amazon's size and share, the likes of which has NEVER been witnessed before throughout history ultimately failing without the need of state interference? Are you delusional?

>Why pay the person more if they're doing less?
Why does technology need to progress as fast as it has over the past 100 years if more people are going to be made miserable because of it, when instead the progress of technology can be stifled and less people suffer and more people prosper?

Your personal anecdote isn't analogous to what I'm talking about.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/06/the-american-middle-class-is-stable-in-size-but-losing-ground-financially-to-upper-income-families/

Remember when everyone was saying the same thing about Walmart 20-30 years ago? Then Amazon came along and they had to make some changes or die. It happens all the time. How many monopolies can you think of that have lasted 50 years? Boeing gets taken out, McDonalds gets taken out, GM gets taken out. It's pretty dynamic.

Housing market will collapse, that's why.
What even are your terms?
Can I have a house? I don't make enough to live on my own, but i have a place to stay. If I can have one why does someone else have to pay for the identical house next door? Who gets the nice 2 story suburbia houses and who gets to move in down the street from the gangbangers? To what end? When do they move out? What happens when the house is condemned? Who is responsible for maintenance? Who is responsible for upkeep? Houses deteriorate if you don't have the knowledge and funds to keep up. If everyone gets a house and welfare than why would millions ever strive to pass schooling and get an education? Sure some will, but you can kiss the bottom gaming and druggy half goodbye.
Why are you comfortable robbing millions of people of their home value while simultaneously making the nation dumber? What is your end game?

>One company gets usurped by another, creating an even bigger monopoly
You. Are. Not. Solving. The. Problem. You are simply just pointing out how the problem has gotten WORSE over time, guy.

Okay, but they're just comparing adjusted salaries. It wasn't uncommon for someone to not have a TV. Now everyone has them. Cars are better, houses are better, almost everything is better and/or cheaper.

I already started here Are you literally asking how to prevent monopolies? What is the problem here?

>muh cars, muh McMansions, muh McDonalds
This is completely fucking boomer tier logic. I'm so glad this thread is dying, just like the boomers.

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>I already started here
and I already rebutted your point here

Ah, I see you have an opinion.

I also have a solution, meanwhile you're a 42 year old boomer that can't think of any better system other than "muh free market capitalism"

Well what else are you spending your money on? Arts and crafts is about the only thing that's gone up in price with no real difference in tech or quality. Everything else like lumber and materials is more of a population thing.

So what am I supposed to be solving here? You partially disagreed and you think monopolies would remain politically powerful. I think they only would locally, and I don't think that's a terrible thing.

>I also have a solution
>muh gibs
>free vidya
There hasn't been a better system in the world that's been tried yet.

So which bigger monopolies took out, McDonalds, Boeing, and GM?

>So what am I supposed to be solving here?
There is no guarantee that simply by removing the incentives Amazon gets from utilizing government platforms that Amazon will have to face new competition.
>what is national socialism?

Not taken out like gone, but knocked them down quite a bit.
Carl's Jr, Burker King
Airbus
Toyota

None. That's not defeating my point either. re-read my post to understand what I'm trying to convey.