Ealthcare is a yuman right

>Just because we have the right to bear arms doesn’t mean the government has an obligation to provide us all with guns ... or does it?
You're exactly right, which means that if the government decides to make healthcare a human right--you can go the fuck out and get your own just like guns. Government doesn't provide guns so it shouldn't provide healthcare.

You make an excellent point.

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They were gifted property but were never obligated to stay there, you fucking propagandist.

Now now, you're getting the talking points mixed up. You're supposed to say 'what a horrible injustice it is to compare the border crisis with the Jewish holocaust! Have you no decency!!?' You know, pretending you're all outraged and shit.

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>here's your desert island
>but hey you can leave anytime

still mad she lost kid?

still mad she lost kid?

weak and predictable

moving goal post is how its played kid?
is that how?

this retarded

bbbbbump

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Just ask yourself, what if Obama did any of this shit?

>retarded_wojack.png

obama started the segregation and splitting of families who crossed illegaly. where was your outrage back then?

why blame only one side when it was the other side that began it?

>DoesntUnderstandMetaphors/10

Fucking liar.
factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/

OP be on daddy’s insurance

pathetic poster detected

sure kid

stay mad kid

seriously pathetic

world class pathetic

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>u pathetic
>posts it three times
Kek, sure kid. Stay mad

>7 rubles have been added to your account

>sure kid
In other words...you don't have a response because you got powned.

So why does every other civilized (i.e. first world) nation provide universal healthcare?
Why can America not do what they do, and do it better?

vox.com/2018/6/21/17488458/obama-immigration-policy-family-separation-border

oh shit, look at that, and from vox too.

not me fuggle nugget

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because it buys votes from idiotic voters and helps keep leftist politicians in office.

>So why does every other civilized (i.e. first world) nation provide universal healthcare?
-Small populations
-Incredibly high taxes
-No mass illegal immigration

loser

loser

loser

we do
and we do it better

We dont have a right to roads and bridges. Maybe the Gov shouldn't give those to us either

I'm pretty sure Euro fags have a problem with mass immigration from Muslim countries. Just watch what happens to the quality of their health care system over the next decade.

it would have to be quality to begin with

apples to oranges comparision. You are really grasping at straws.

as are you user

Oh I forgot guns and healthcare were both "apples" in this case

Obama isn’t the president anymore.

Did you even fucking read that?

Oh but, hey. I'm glad we as Americans can agree it's wrong to separate families and torture children. It was a big step, but I'm glad we made it.

Fuck that communist.

We used to kill communists, now the faggots elect them.

They all will get the rope

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2nd amendment says I have the right to own a firearm. Not that I should get it free or pay for one with the taxes others pay.

Where is the right to healthcare provided by the government spelled out in the constitution?

Roads add value to society as a whole and are paid for by gas tax revenue. The more gas i use, the more road time I have, the more need to repair and upgrade roads there is. A poor person paying helathcare tax is paying less than a rich person for the same quality care.

The population of the EU is bigger than the US.
EU immigration is consistently higher pro rata than the US.
Taxes are higher but you can lose your job and still get treatment for whatever ailment caused that to happen.
Because people are less likely to need to resort to desperation to pay for what they need crime rates in the EU are also much lower.

is healthcare provided by EU, or by the individual country?

>ahem

it started with obama

Right life liberty and pursuit of happiness. Hmm the right to life sounds like a right to healthcare to me.

A rich person is paying higher taxes anyways and they can afford it. I dont see the issue here

Individual states provide healthcare. They all do it differently but it is provided in all .

Obama hasn't been president for years. Try to keep up.

Of course by the individual country. Almost anything that involves money is done by the individual countries.

So the EU doesnt' tax each country to pay for everyone's healthcare. so millions of people aren't taxed to pay for 450 million peoples healthcare. The largest EU country, Germany has ~80 million people and you are comparing that to 330 million.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Healthcare for all ensures all Americans the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

Well that's the last time I vote for that guy.

Roads are a requirement for a community larger than a small, self sufficient village. Take away roads, people starve.

herple gerple derp

So what your saying is that the government cannot block you from getting healthcare, but is not required to provide it at a cost to the tax payers. Just like the 2nd amendment.

wait a sec americunts what you do when a homeless needs medical attention ?

Income: 1$
Expenses: 1$
Total: 0$

Hurrdurr, if we multiply with 10 the result is different:

Income: 10$
Expenses: 10$
Total: 0$

:O

So how did large cities exist before roads?
>Honey, hook up the wagon, were going west.. We just got to take the 10 from Georgia to California.

The most populous state in the US is less than half as populous as Germany. Go figure. You can do it state by state if you can't manage the scale

Fuck your stupid debate. You are all shills. You have russian antagonists and useful idiots pushing to lower the quality of life. And you fucking eat it up. You dense motherfuckers. You want to know what a good yardstick is for measuring an argument? Ask yourself, would grandpa buy this shit?

Everyone's a big bad "conservative" until they decide they're tired of working at McDonald's in Shithole, Nowhere and try to go back to school and have to take out years of debt for the crime of trying to better themselves.

Or go to the hospital and get years of debt, even with good insurance because of deductible or not being covered because you didn't read all 50 pages of fine print.

These aren't things you have to convince people of. Either they're smart enough to realize it's something that affects them, or you have to wait for their stupid assess to see it themselves

The person who made that picture is a fucking idiot who doesn't understand how public healthcare works, but still manages to have a strong opinion on it.

>guise having healthcare available to you at no cost while being able to keep your private insurance is lowering the quality of life
Kek

>who doesn't understand how public healthcare works
So explain it then, genius.

So if I want to keep my good insurance that I have because I'm not a waste of human skin and have skills, I have to pay higher taxes as well as pay for better insurance.. Oh please where do I sign up?

Found the skilless pot smoker who plays video games all day.

The NHS in the UK is a fine example.
I mean the healthcare is at a terrible standard to the point that several people have to come to the US to get treatment because it isn't available in the UK. And it's incredibly understaffed and underfunded yet still becoming an evermore increasing burden on the UK economy.
But at least it's free and that's all that matters right? Who wants life saving, good quality health care when you can have free healthcare?
Signed - someone whose life was ruined by the NHS when if they'd lived in the US they would've had access to a simple medication for their condition.

In this thread
>Everything is better if other people pay for something I need instead of me trying to better myself and earn it myself.

Your taxes pay for things you dont use everyday anyways, so what's the big deal? It's your choice to get private insurance. Sorry it would cost you extra for your special treatment

/thread

but people in the US wont care because they're crybabies and only want free shit

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>other people pay for
Um we all would be paying, not just a select few. We all pay into something we all can benefit from.

You're a liar. You're pretending to be British when you aren't. Shame on you.

I'm from South Ayrshire Scotland. So yeah, totally faking being British here.

>NHS when if they'd lived in the US they would've had access to a simple medication for their condition
Only if you can afford it or if your insurance is willing to cover it.

Protip: pharmacists in the US do NOT select drugs to give you by effectiveness but rather can you pay. That is fucked

>We all pay into something we all can benefit from.
And some benefit WAY more than others. Tell me, what is the incentive to make a better life for yourself if the government gives you everything on the back of someone else's hard work? I would quit my power plant job just to sit on my ass and collect "free" healthcare and welfare. Why should I bust my ass to pay for someone else?

"Come to the US" sounds to me like someone is telling porkies..

Why do you pay insurance if you dont use it often? Its literally the same thing but would be less money out of your pocket. No one is stopping you from going on welfare now. It's on you. You already pay into taxes that benefit others more than you too

At what cost though. If I pay 10$ extra a month for crap I don't use, no big deal. Bernies sanders health care plan increases taxes by 3.3 trillion a year. My share would probably be about 3-4k a year because I pay a little more than that now. So about $250 a month for a service I dont use plus having to pay ~350 for the healthcare I want. You sure are selling this.

>Why do you pay insurance if you dont use it often?
MY choice of doctor
MY low co-pay
MY low cost prescriptions
MY low cost hospital visits
MY low cost procedures
when I need it

THAT'S why.

About time America joined the rest of the world. Even if it's shit healthcare. At least everyone will have and does that have money will still have their better options.

Nigga. Wtf are you talking about

Socialism never works.

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every argument about free shit ever summed up concisely.

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That enough proof for you that I'm british?

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Some pay in way more than others but get the same quality care. There are 330 million people in the us. unemployment rate is ~4.4%. . Number of tax payers is ~160 million. So roughly 160 million tax payers would be footing the tax bill for 174 million people.

>That poster

So I guess that means we should privatize all fire departments.

If all hospitals accepted Gov insurance than youd be able to keep all those things

Why is it. At what point in human history was it decide, and by whom, that everybody deserved healthcare?
Last I looked, Nature is survival of the fittest. If a civilisation creates a society that can provide healthcare, fine. If it collapses, and there's no healthcare, does that give me the right to demand another civilisation see to my health needs?
It's a very false statement. No one has the right to anything.

Protip: Car sales men sell you the car you can afford, not what you want. How fucked is that.

Bernie wants only Gov healthcare I thought, so for your example using him you would have to pay an extra 350 because you wouldnt haventhe option. Also wouldnt private insurance have to lower their rates to stay competitive with the govs...because capitalism right?

Versus not having any medication available at all? That sounds so much better. Because at least that none existent treatment is free right?

That's already happens with other taxes

>thinks it's ok to withhold effective medicine because of pay walls
>prov cries about pay walls in games

Fact check: pharmacists in the US *do not choose what drugs you get*

Doctors prescribe. Pharmacists fill. You’re trying to draw some connection between generics and name-brands here, kid?

Source: am a pharmacist.

All medication available vs some available vs none

I pick all

>Healthcare is a human right because people are better off with it. We need free healthcare
>Homes are needed tin modern society. We need free homes for everyone. Paid for by the tax payers.
>Cell phones are needed in todays society. We need free cell phones paid for by the tax payers
>Transportation is needed by everyone. We need free transportation paid for by the tax payers

>food is needed for survival. We need free food for everyone paid for by the tax payers.

etc, etcWhere does the left stop with trying to give out free shit? The anser is they dont. Eventually it all collapses.

Damn, you're either too dumb to see for yourself or you're a shill.
My money is on the first one.

I've never cried about paywalls. I choose not to pay. Also there are generic drugs that cost way less.

I support this idea. Pay for fire insurance and coverage or watch your house burn. It's a bullshit system, the government is WAY too big.

The governments responsibilities should be protecting the nation, dealing with trade agreements, making laws, and the judiciary branch. You could convince me we need the FDA, EPA, on a limited (1/10th its size now) basis. NASA / DAPRA can stay because they fuel research.

>youd be able to keep all those things
You don't pay attention to politics except during elections huh? Obama promised tens of millions of people the same thing you just said and they lost their great insurance and if they didn't chose "Obamacare"---they were fined. FINED for not volunteering for something.

youtube.com/watch?v=DjwudZqo-Bg

Here is the man himself

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No you are, obviously.

My area does not have a government provided fire station. We have a for profit fire station. You can choose to pay ~1500 a year for fire insurance or pay way more if they have to come to you house.

Good god you’re fucking retarded. The conclusions you’ve drawn and the absolute shit-house logic you’ve strung together is pathetic.

Do you even pay taxes, you child?

>fire departments.
Paid fire department are funded by the municipalities they represent, not the State, or Federal government dumbass. 90% of fire departments in the US are volunteer as well.

I agree with you brit user. I don't know why commies are coming back around. I mean the failure of socialist states are happening all around us.

>"That wasn't real socialism"™

nice post, I'm stealing it for future use. Made a few modifications.

>Food, water and emergency treatment is needed for survival, taxpayers pay for it in the form of WIC, energy credits, hospital write offs.
YOU ARE HERE

>Healthcare is a human right because people are better off with it. We need free healthcare.
>Homes are needed in modern society. We need free homes for everyone. Paid for by the tax payers.
>Cell phones are needed in todays society. We need free cell phones paid for by the tax payers
>Heating, cooling, cooking, TVs for entertainment is a human right because people are better off with it. Paid for by the tax payers.
>Transportation is needed by everyone. We need free transportation paid for by the tax payers.

I'd bet I paid more in taxes in 2018 than you grossed, paid in just over 70k.

>Please soon feed me. I'm too stupid to hold the spoon.

Stay in school kid

Just as I though...you got nothing except hurt feeling to base your arguments on. You're such a stupid fuck.

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Those services you describe are only for a select few. lets give them to the whole population.
Sure you did kiddo. Post your W2.

>you don't pay attention to politics except during elections huh
So tell me did Mexico pay for it?

Implying Obama got what he wanted and the repubs helped him get there

I've been paying insurance for decades and I've used about 14k in medical costs. All the extra money not used went to corporations' pockets. I would rather have that money gone to help an older person have a better quality of life than o greedy Insurance executive.

Stay in school kid

I did. and I got a good education and I have skills which is why I have access to quality care. You should do the same.

Fucking rekt

>Muh low co-pay
>muh choice

Guess who's subsidizing your low copay?
Everyone else in the same system, dumbass.
If everyone in the country pays into the system then everyone, everyone will pay less. How dense are you people?

So I would still have to pay more for the same quality care.. You sure are selling it.

Guess you've never had a kid then. Kissless virgin detected. And you will use it the older you get.

that's strange way of denying reality, because in quite a few states you can purchase guns&ammo with ebt.

We are talking about two different systems. The states are under the authority of the fed. EU member states can do what they want, just look at Britain. Also they left it to the states before. They dont get it done because of our system of gov with the same asshats

No you can't. STFU.

So do I and I don't use it because I keep myself healthy and wish my money wasn't lining up other people's coffers instead of helping people in need.

oh boy are you in for a surprise.
ncsl.org/research/human-services/ebt-electronic-benefit-transfer-card-restrictions-for-public-assistance.aspx

Funny you said that. I've raised a family unlike you I care about people.

Sure what next? Removing the AR-15 vending machines?

Not necessarily, not sure how much the increase in taxes would be but it would be proportional to amount you would no longer be paying a private insurance company

validate your claims.
>protip you cant

So tell me how you managed to only sped 14k over decades in healthcare costs when cost of child birth is about 20k?

>protip : i already did.
but also you can see that republicans seem to think that if you block guns from being purchased with EBT benefits you are violating the 2nd amendment.
wmur.com/article/lawmakers-divided-on-bill-that-restricts-ebt-use/5190315

>ncsl.org/research/human-services/ebt-electronic-benefit-transfer-card-restrictions-for-public-assistance.aspx
Well shit... But states are moving to block those purchases.

Well then make an Amendment. There are a few others. It is doable and sometimes people just have a shit hand delt to them. And tell a kid whose parents smoke crack to pull themselves up by their boot straps

except the argument they're trying to use to keep it is that it violates the 2nd amendment.

Out of pocket and was lucky to be living in Canada while my oldest was born.
Living a good clean life has its benefits.
Like I said before, here in the USA the middle man, takes all the money. They should be eliminated and even doctors can get paid as much as they do now. Insurance companies take too much.

boughtbymany.com/news/article/private-health-insurance-cost-uk/
international.commonwealthfund.org/countries/england/
so 1,435 a year + 4,094 spending per person.
So ~5500 Pounds (7,000Dollars) a year if I want to have private insurance. Which is more than I pay now by about 20%. Pass

So the costs of child birth were placed on someone else, not yourself.

>Obamas birth certificate
>The central park five was accused by Trump in papers
>Hires illegal Poles to work on his property then doesn't pay them
>Redlining in his and fathers apartments
>His tweet on Friday about Harris not being actually black
Not that you will care about facts

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The extra cost would be your choice. Nobody would be making pay for the private insurance other than yourself. So if you dont like the cost dont buy it.

Youre gonna have a long time "draining the swamp"
Also your argument so far is "I don't care if he's good at his job or not, i just want a well behaved person". Like damn, and here I thought you were gonna bring up points that effect us.

point is your trying to sell nationalized health care that is either worse or having to pay extra for the same quality of care I'm used to. I will pass.

>Healthcare for all ensures all Americans the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

>so does a house
>so does a car

Why not give me those too? Because it takes from the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness from those who provide the service.

>cars and houses aren't life saving

they are to work and live. ok government supplied cars and houses? of what quality? cadillac quality like healthcare or shit?

Love it

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Who said our universal healthcare would be worse? Or are you assuming it will be to serve your point?

I need food to live, so why isn't the government buying my groceries? I need a house to live in, why isn't the government giving me a house?

simple fact the free system in the EU has a private option. If it was so great there wouldn't need to be a private option.

Any hospital that receive federal funds (i.e. Medicare which is health insurance for the old for which anyone over 65 is entitled for), cannot turn anyone away for their inability to pay. Almost all hospitals take federal funds, so all hospitals will take in homeless people. The cost is offset by trying to nab as much money from private insurance as possible. So working citizens with these "nice plans" that the left screech about are indirectly subsidizing those who do not pay. Medicare will never budge and gives a moderate amount of money so there's not much so there's not much slack to help the homeless. Basically the government is the one not helping those who cannot pay yet indirectly, private companies.

t. I work in fucking healthcare

...yet indirectly private companies are the ones who subsidize the homeless.

sorry typing retarded

That’s a lot of English on that sign

>Only if you can afford it or if your insurance is willing to cover it.

Get a job you lazy shit

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So because there is an option clearly it sucks? That makes sense, its not like they kept options in an attempt to keep people like you happy.

accurate

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Imagine being such a degenerate country that you profiteer off healthcare.

I do have a job and can see you never seen or paid any medical Bill's before

Liberals:
>Gives people human rights
Conservatives
>Fuck you

Healthcare is an essential service, not just a service.

Gonna cry? Gonna piss your pants maybe? Maybe shit and cum

Thats what insurance is for.

Not my fault you spent all your money on hentai and dildos.

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You do realize its a business right? That means that prices are raised below the base cost. When you eliminate that and the insurance middleman the overall cost goes far down

don't the hospitals write off the costs of people who are under poverty levels(without medicaid/insurance) though?

Fixed it for you
Liberals:
>Thinks it knows what human rights people need, and that someone else should pay for it.
Conservatives
>Think you should have to put forth effort into getting something you need.

True. except in cases when the government gets involved then costs always go up.

Yeah because we all know the government is GREAT at reducing, inefficiency, bureaucracy, and costs.

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>thinks insurance covers all of the med bills
Kek, clearly hasnt paid for med treatment before

There is no need for a private healthcare option in France or australia, the 2 systems I am familiar with. It exists because politicians are corrupt and private healthcare companies make political donations.

If there was no need then people wouldn't buy it and it would go out of business. So if they aren't going out of business then people want it which backs up my point that the free healthcare people get isn't good enough.

We'll beat him with love girl friend.

Or because it keeps people like you happy and the company is happy to milk you

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me voluntarily purchasing something is getting milked? Grow up.

Get a job and pay your bills faggot.

No one is obliged to take care of you for free.

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For example. In Australia my family has private health insurance. We receive a tax concession for having private insurance which roughly equates to the amount of tax we get reduced. So our 'private' insurance is competely funded by the public purse to the benefit of private corporations who donate to those who make it so. We never claim because the the insurance never covers the whole cost so we would be left with a bill, whereas the public system is free and the best treatment is in the public system.

because everyone won't pay into the system but get the same healthcare as those who do. so it's not cheaper you fucktard

they do but many hospital are non profit, so there's no taxes for which to write anything off anyway. write off or not it's still a loss.

Still got a job and pay my own bills and I dont ever use my insurance, thanks for trying tho

See
People buy it because the government effectively bribes them to because the industry effectively brings the government to. Even with the tax concessions, customer numbers are dropping because the premiums are to expensive.

>buying something he wont need because it's already free
>hurr durr ima not gettin' milked

Touche. I gues this is what we have to figure out. How to work out how we introduce some form of compassion into a capitalist system. Im right leaning on most things but when it comes to healthcare ive seen to much. People deserve not having to worry about a toothache or their heart just shitting the bed. Some people are born in a hole to deep to crawl out of

>0% in taxes
>not being subsidized by the government
hmmm really makes you wonder

So much this.

Why should I pay 5X as much for health coverage (tax vs insurance premiums)?
My level of care goes down
All my money goes to lazy niggers who contribute nothing to society

I trust everyone saw every Democratic candidate agreeing that free healthcare should be given to illegal immigrants right?

I'll never vote for the Democrats again.

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Bear arms. Not guns. We could get swords in that scenario. Or worse, army issue rifles commissioned by the government a.k.a a club.

All sorts of arms, and you can even make them in your garage.
You can build a rifle, but you can't build an appendectomy or an MRI.

Then what are you crying about?

Services cost money, boo hoo.

Welcome to life faggot.

>accuses a trunp supporter of lying

>sights a feminists article on how amazing obama is to back himself up

Every single public healthcare system in the world is cheaper than the USAs private system and achieves better health outcomes. You people are like flat earthers

Good idea. Let's put everyone in the US into the VA healthcare system.

>5x as much..
Nope. Not even close.

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>every other developed country in the world has universal healthcare
>even places as despotic as China
>the USA cant figure out how to make it work

That is a profouns statement on the USA's stupidity. Or its inhumanity. Maybe its both, too stupid to figure it out and completely unmotivated to put in any effort.

You have no idea what you're talking about. I pay no more tax in Australia than you do in the USA. I get free healthcare.

Because I shouldnt have to worry about how much it will cost to treat any disease i have in the modern world. People shouldn't have to choose to go to the ER or eat.

the gov wants your tax dollars; it should pay for your health so that you can keep on paying

Have you ever been to an office of a doctor who is contracted through medicaid? That public bullshit may work in Australia, but in the states, it absolutely would not. Everyone accuses insurance companies of being the villain when it's really the healthcare providers. Did you know that a hospital will charger you 30 dollars for that piece of paper they call a gown? its ridiculous

But thats not fair.

I mean, the US invented junk food and fast food restaurants. If the retard double dribbles, you gotta let it pass.

Well not shit. show me a country with a population similar to the US and a demographic make up similar to the us that has nationalized healthcare thats on par with what the quality of care in the US.

I pay for your health insurance

You are right, that gown should be free and you shouldnt have to buy insurance to attempt to afford the gown and all the other surpirse fees

Yeah lets go to China for free health care said no one ever.

Excellent point.
Taxes will be fucked, always.
Might as well get something out of it.

Maybe the defense budget could be reduced so that we dont pay as much as the next 3 countries budget put together.

why should be we pay taxes for police to abuse our civic 'rights' and greedy expansionist militry. Least they could do is give us good health care; a lot of the money to schools comes from lottery so they should have saved alot.

yeah instead the hospital should charge the government $30 for the gown.

Well, fuck, its far, but people go to Canada now.

You think they wouldn't if there was a shared border? You wanna try again and be disingenuous but not so dumb?

No you don't. I am in the top 15%of earners. I pay more tax than most.

France, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark... the list goes on lol

if you not a heavy smoker in china; you become a prime candidate for unwilling organ donor

No you dont.

No one is ever going to believe you, so you can drop that shit.

I'll break it down so a retarded europopor can understand.

My taxes will cost wayyyy more than I was previously paying for health insurance premiums. They've got to pay for all the useless shitbags killing themselves with drugs and junk food. Not to mention the millions of illegals who dont pay taxes but will be getting free healthcare anyway.

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How many Canadians come to America and pay for care? About 80,000.

Post your W2 then. you can use paint to hide your personal info.

Please.

Im sure many americans wouldnt blink if told prisioners will be harvested for organs. We got more than any other nation.

UK has most efficient health care than US. it doesn't cost a mortgage if you call an ambulance for stomach cramp

>This is a man who put people in concentration camps
Wrong, he put them in detainee camps, much like where Obama put the other people not allowed to be in this country.

>Separated families
You can thank Obama for that law too.

>sexually assaulted women
>and committed tax fraud
Evidence and sources please, CNN and your feelings don't count.

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Those countries are not the same size as America and do not have the demographic that America has.

>I shouldnt have to worry about how much it will cost

Everything has a cost faggot.

Good god. Thats like 2 football games worth of movement of the border.

Thats nothing.

who the hell would call an ambulance for a stomach cramp?

If the hospital charges the government for that gown, where do you think that 30 dollars will come from? Taxes. who pays taxes? the people do.

Almost every single country in the oecd has better health outcomes than the USA at lower cost using a public healthcare model. You really outperform south Africa though. Good job.

No, user, while the practice existed before, it wasnt oficial policy until the current administration.

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It doesn't cost YOU because you're a lazy shitsack living off the doll.

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It's not on par with US health care.

Ah, a fellow Hellsing fan.

Yup, my and your taxes would pay for it. I just wouldnt see an itemized bill that I would later have to pay the parts my insurance doesnt cover. Thanks for asking

Forgot to cite
data.oecd.org/healthstat/life-expectancy-at-birth.htm

its scary dude... state sponsored organ harvesting; all those uyghers muslims will be harvested unless they can prove that they have changed their faith.

You must be a minimum wage worker who is happy to push off his expenses on someone else.

No. All those countries do better than the USA on almost every measure of health outcomes.

You do realize the only reason they charge too much for medical care is because insurance companies force them to right?

Here's how it works:
Insurance company wants to make a profit, so they need more people buying their insurance. Why would people buy their insurance? To reduce the cost of medical care. What happens if medical care is cheap? No one needs insurance. How do they make sure medical costs stay high? They make deals with hospitals to keep costs high. Why do hospitals agree to this? Because if they do they get to be part of a special provider network, you know, the ones that are covered by your insurance. The two factors of "you have to have insurance because costs are high and you have to go to these hospitals because that's what your insurance covers" makes for a very profitable scheme. Insurance companies influence the way business is conduced everywhere. if we abolished them things would be a lot better for everyone.

Once i had a guy fall down 4 steps because he was drunk where i work. I thought he would get up, be thankful not more people saw and try to preserve what was left of his dignity.
He was upset i didnt have gauzes or didnt give him medical attention.

I told him i had bandaids, that i was not trained to give medical attention nor covered by the business to do so. I also pointed out that if it were a true emergency, id call 911.

Then he pulled put his phone and called 911, using his thumb, and told them how he had broken his thumb and needed an ambulance.

big roolll

Or a person who looks beyond just the potential needs for myself

80000/37 million = 0.2% of the population
~ of americans travling abroad (not just canada) estimated at 150k
150k/330 million .0454%
of the population. The numbers show that our healthcare is more attractive than other countries.

Well bravo, I still pay for anyone who has a tax credit through the marketplace, and if your work provides it for you, you are still paying it just out of your check. unless you're like VA, and even then you're paying for other peoples coverage, that is where most of your tax dollars go, Social security/medicare which I doubt most anyone under 40 currently will ever recieve, Obama care, and medicaid. If more shit becomes free the left even at the first debate last week said taxe the wealthy 70 percent

i saw a fat one just like that in the hospital; she asked for help to go outside for a cig; she never made it; stopped by convenience store bought shit loads of sweeety stuff and asked to be taken right back (was her plan all along)

Have fun waiting for that healthcare. Hope you don't die while waiting.

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I'm not American. I'm Australian. Our household income is about low to mid 200k. This makes us in the top 15%.

i suppose the very best hospital ward is not on par with average hospital anywhere in the world.

I just love paying for other people's healthcare. Even tho I am healthy. I also love paying for women to have abortions too. Hell in this day and age a man can get abortions too and I don't mind.

>annex region full of religious zealots 50 yrs ago
>make them 2nd class citizens
>take all the best farm land, give it to ethnic groups you approve
>destroy the ancient structures
>recreate new ones for a disneyland type tourist attraction where you show off the conquered groups to visitors in the fake settings
>zealots start attacking Chinese
>create concentration camps to reeducate
>if zealots dont renounce allah, harvest their organs

And on top of all this shit, the chinese still think not having universal healthcare is uncivil.

post your tax documents then. You can edit out the personal info.

He isn’t wrong. But at the same time these things cost money.

Or that your borders are that much weaker.

Until i get a source, that shit never happened though.

You want to put your hand in my pocket and give away my money because you're such a kind and generous person, right?

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Why do you go on?

No one believes you.

>don't die while waiting.
Fat fewer purple die waiting here than die saving to afford their procedure there. There is a triage system,if you are medically urgent you are seen straight away. If you can wait, you wait. It's done based on medical need rather than credit card limit.

You believe all the shit about free helathcare being cheaper without doing the reserch yourself. Why don't you believe this?

Wow, that sounds like more of a conspiracy than a learned opinion. Hospitals can charge whatever the fuck they want for a service, people don't buy insurance to reduce the cost of that, if they did they would be certifiably retarded. On that note people purchase health insurance in the event a what if situation arises, if lightning steikes and that person isn't covered, the hospital will charge their ass $500,000 whether they have coverage or not is of no concern to the doctors. that is where someone paying for their health insurance will pay a deductible of 2500 or 5000 whatever that may be and the insurance company would then pay out the 495,000 and they would pay that too the hospital, let me clarify, the Hopsital says 500,000 whether they get that from the patient or the insurance company is irrelevant, but don't think for a second that everyone has a sit down to consider how they will scam the american people that day.

Isnt free healthcare great.
macleans.ca/society/health/canadas-health-care-wait-times-hit-new-record-high-again/

No. I'm not doing that. I'm in bed on my phone and I wouldn't do it anyway. my views are universal among Australians and citizens of most countries with public healthcare.

"HURR DURR I'M GOING TO PWN THIS NUBLET BY SAYING WE SHOULD GIVE HOMELESS HOMES"

Meanwhile, Utah severely curbed its chronic homlessness problems by doing just that?

Then maybe redirect a few billion from military spending so we're not so sick we can't fight in the next major war.

I know. You don't believe Australia exists. It's all a conspiracy.

"I don't want to be a contributing member of society"

I hear Somalia doesn't enforce taxes on you. Go live there.

imagine that. giving people free homes made them not homeless. OMG who saw that coming. We should make that a national policy of giving homes to whomever wants one and they should be in the most popular rich areas of big cities.

I contribute more than you do faggot.

It's easy to call for more taxes when you wont be the one paying them.

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I heard North Korea has free healthcare. Go live there. They are even a Democracy. It says so in their name.

Pretty capita healthcare expenditure was posted earlier in the thread. The USA doyens more than any country in the world bat none, to achieve worse health outcomes than any comparable country.

Post your tax documents then.

"I'm too retarded to understand that I'd be paying less in the tax increase than price-gouged insurance premiums for a service that isn't even provided to me until I meet a deductible" - The post.

Roleplaying as a wealthy person on the internet?
How sad.

you first

Oh, you seem to be one of those people that think Nazis were socialist too because it has socialism in the name.

I'm not wealthy. I'm middle of the road.

Doesnt mean I want to pay more taxes to pay for your NEET lifestyle.

A truly wealthy person wouldn't worry about posting a W2. Wagecuck detected.

Gibs me free guns!

Where do you get that the taxes apply to you and not me as well?

You're not paying for your own healthcare bud. Other people are paying for your healthcare, you're just paying for a sliver.

Oh, what, you didn't know that's how health insurance worked? And you didn't know that you could lower the cost for your own sliver by having a nationalized healthcare system where prices can't be gouged out of your deductible and premiums?

No, of course not. You're an 80-IQ brainlet.

>xenophobe
It's almost like you randomly spew the same couple words, even in the face of clear evidence otherwise

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>I'd be paying less in the tax increase than price-gouged insurance premiums

That's not how it works dumbfuck.

Instead of everyone paying for thier own premiums, the people who dont contribute anything to society get their premiums paid by those who actually work.

So even if the cost per person goes down (doubt it) the cost to people who work still goes up because they are now payign for thier premiums and everyone who is now getting "free" healthcare.

I never claimed to be wealthy retard

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Oh, look. You did no research.

Answer me this, do those homeless people who are "given" "free" homes get to keep those homes if they can't hold down a job?

Go on, answer with that big brain of yours.

Sure, as long as they mark the house as theirs by shitting in all the corners

"REEEEEEEEEEEEE MY COMMON SENSE REFUTES THE DATA

FEELS OVER REALZ! I'M THE ONLY PERSON TO EVER HAVE A JOB EVER!"

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And this is where the lack of information and willful ignorance shows.

And this where the autistic inability to comprehend humor shows

"I was only pretending to be retarded"

Where is your data moron?

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Just so nobody misses, this is the post this autist took seriously

Fair enough, you make more than I do.

I only made 50K last year, not going to dig my W-2 out of the safe to prove it.

also, your keyboard is filthy

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You should see the rest of my desk..

mercatus.org/system/files/blahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf

This study was conducted by a LIBERTARIAN thinktank.

Why is everyone completely pro or against it.
What's wrong with having a baseline level of healthcare provided for you?
Like if you think you're having a heart attack or something, you shouldn't have to second guess calling an ambulance.

"BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REACH INTO MY POCKET TO PAY FOR SAVING A CHILDN'S LIFE" is the standard response from 80 IQ brainlet cuckservatives.

That's how it's worked in the US since the 1950s
Hospitals are required to provide emergency care to anyone

>cuckservatives
>libtard

why can't we all just realise both sides have valid points and work from there?

Just because you think an IQ of 80 is high, it's really not.

Typical leftist. Using a emotional example as a baseline for their argument.

They don't both have valid points. On nearly every topic, burning everything to the ground is a better result than anything either sides proposes

Does this - oh let's be generous and call it "thinking" - also apply to police and military services?

You are monumentally imbecilic.

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>Coverage of the currently uninsured is estimated to increase their health service costs by roughly 89 percent.

Page 15:
>Moreover, even if administrative cost rates could be lowered by more than seven percentage points, there would be offsetting cost increases.

Thank you for proving my argument.

The overall costs might go down slightly, but the costs to people who currently pay for their own health insurance will go up in a huge way, and our level of service will go down.

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Its easy to give away other people's money isnt it.

yep

>cross the border illegally
>OMG Y AM I BEING DETAINED. OMG THINK OF MUH CHILDREN

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Because other civilized countries dont deal with millions of beaners pouring over their borders illegally

Because most people treat politics like a football game. They dont care or even know what the policies are. They only know my team good other team bad.

The media figured out they could get more clicks putting out hyper partisan garbage than politically neutral content. So you have both sides segregating themselves into their separate echo chambers.

It really doesn't help that the left has adopted intersectional feminism as their new religion. Where everyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi, and even discussing the ideas from the other side is "giving a platform for hate."

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>its wrong to not let people cross the border illegally because think of muh children
Imagine being this retarded

yeh, this.

You see all the Democratic presidential nominees agreeing to provide healthcare coverage for illegal immigrants?

insanity

Why can nigs advocate for pro nig policy, beaners can advocate for pro beaner policy, natives can advocate for pro native policy, chinks can advocate for pro chink policy, but whitey tries to advocate for pro whitey policy
>uhh you are the problem racist bigot incel yikes.

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Shlomo, how's Israel?