Comfy Sunday morning godtard thread...

science is not the only meaningful epistemology, and it can't answer questions of value

and if god doesn't exist, then why do my balls fit perfectly between these cans of pears? checkmate

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>science is not the only meaningful epistemology
If you are interested in the truth, then yes, it is the only one. The scientific method is the only game in town if the facts matter to you. Which god do you think is proven by your exquisite ballbag?

>you would still have to decide which one of the thousands of gods it proved, and why it proved that particular god.

This is such infantile reasoning. Have you heard the phrase "keep it simple, stupid"? If you don't want to deal with thousands of gods, reduce the number of gods to something more manageable. Easy as that.

Dude science has nothing to do with "truth"

>dude science equals everything lmao

>If you don't want to deal with thousands of gods
I understand why you don't want to address this question. It makes your favourite god look trite and insignificant. Godtards need to remember that their favourite god comes with exactly the same amount of supporting evidence as the thousands of other gods that they know are fake. That amount is zero. Think about why you don't believe in Lono. Now apply those same reasons to your favourite god. See how easy it is to throw your god into the trash?

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Who pissed you off today, fedorafag?

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>ridiculing science on the internet

On. The. Internet. Arguably the greatest achievement of the scientific method.

Godtards. Just imagine being that stupid.

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my iq is 121. How can I be an idiot, idiot?

Another hat boy appears. Imagine barracking for a god so impotent that you are forced to talk about hats whenever anyone points out that it's fake.

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>yes, it is the only one
no u? how are you going to answer, for example, "should the government fund food banks?" with science?

>Which god do you think is proven
I don't care about "proving" or "evidence", in the sense you mean. You have a great argument here against creation scientists and biblical literalists but that's about it.

You're an idiot for obsessive over people's beliefs and acting like a superior fedora twirling fag. You probably think Dawkins is an intellectual

I'm ridiculing your retarded belief in tge omnipotence of a tool. You remind me of a cargo cultist.
Gee, almost as if every bad stereotype about edgetheist banana boys is actually true.

You are an idiot

>no u? how are you going to answer, for example, "should the government fund food banks?" with science?
You would do a cost/benefit analysis and predict its effect on societal heath. That would be the scientific method again.
>I don't care about "proving" or "evidence", in the sense you mean
You don't care whether your god is fake?

I am forced to live under laws in part passed by godtards trying to please their imaginary friend. I am also forced to subsidise the lying, tax-dodging scammers in the religion business. Don't expect me to stop any time soon.

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Who even forced you, moron? Go to India if you don't like it here.

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>your retarded belief in tge omnipotence of a tool
Telling lies for jesus again. What is it with godtards and lying?

Quality point.

*debating with godtards*

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This thread belongs to r/atheism. The amount of circlejerking is hikarious.

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>You don't care whether your god is fake?

What the fuck do you even mean by that?

"My politicians told me science is evil so it's all a lie. I don't understand the very first thing about science, just what people who want me to hate it tell me. That's not weird to me at all."

>here
Where am I?

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Are you gonna deny what you posted? I thought atheists were supposed to be big-brain boys.

In whatever poor country you happen to live like a leech and then complain about it.
Sage

Nobody told me to not care about science, I just naturally don't give a shit about it. Spiritual matters are infinitely more important than science.

>ITT
>people thinking they can change each other's opinions
keep at it, this is better than tv

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It makes sense if you function under the assumption that sentient and sapient life is (probably) very very very very rare in the universe.

The conditions that allow life on Earth at all are so mindbogglingly specific, from atmosphere to magnetic field to distance from the star to the tidal forces from the moon to the symbiosis with other life forms that spawned from the thermal vents that only exist because of the specific composition of the crust and core and its tectonic activity. And that's not even getting into the specific ultra-competency that manifested in humans, when compared to literally all other life on Earth. We are capable of evil and ignorance and folly, but we operate on a divine level compared to anything else on Earth. We move mountains and dry seas.

So if we assume that out there in the vastness of space there are 1,000,000 planets with similar conditions and circumstances to Earth, but the odds of sapient and sentient life forming on it are 1/1000 every 500,000,000 years, it's not THAT impossible that Earth and Humans might be God's favorite.

>predict its effect on societal health
why do I have any obligation towards societal health, to the others around me? what does a healthy society look like? more questions of value. the can gets kicked down the road. the road ends with a "because" that can't be justified by rational empiricism.

>fake
this is back to our original dispute about legitimate epistemology, I don't think there's anything left to say here.

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This board is for random topics, ie anything. If godtard threads cause your butt to shatter, you should probably avoid them.

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Which word is confusing you?

Sounds about right.

It's Saturday, you stupid faggot.

You stated that I believed that the scientific method was omnipotent. I did not make that claim, nor do I believe it. You lied. Why do you lie?

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Hook has been set. reel in this newfag.

>Spiritual matters are infinitely more important than science.
Hahahahahahah. Imagine living in 12th century Europe. *godtards* Eternally clueless.

Look at census figures. Theism is dying in first-world countries, thanks to people like me spreading the word of reality. You're welcome.

and you think you're doing that by posting on Yea Forums?
lol

Theism is dying, and the first world is becoming more of a shithole. People are degenerating and forsaking moral guidance and behavior. People are becoming harsher, more caustic.

Coincidence?

>a shitposter on an imageboard thinks he is doing something useful for society.
(You)
If you are ashamed to admit it, say it's me. It's not like keyboard atheists are known to be either intellectually honest or telling the truth.

>argument from personal incredulity
Bzzzt. Logical fallacy.
>We are capable of evil and ignorance and folly, but we operate on a scientific (FTFY) level compared to anything else on Earth. We move mountains and dry seas.
Our technological advancement is due 100% to the scientific method and 0% due to the religion scam.
> it's not THAT impossible that Earth and Humans might be God's favorite
Which god?

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You presume that God doesn't use the scientific method.

>why do I have any obligation towards societal health, to the others around me?
A healthy society benefits everybody. This is not complicated. It is self-evident. No need to invent a magic, invisible floating faggot in the sky

>Amerifat *education*
Where muh donuts at?

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Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.

I think there's been enough consistent evidence of Human superiority to presume that there may have been a hand in manifesting it. Maybe it was aliens, but then we have to consider where they might have originated. If you follow the rabbit hole down, you either get to a 1/100000000000 chance which is roughly negligible, or the possibility of some extra/superdimensional willful creator. We know odds and statistics function in our universe, but we have no reason to suggest that they exist or matter in any other universe.

You even talk like a cringy Fedora autist. Do natural selection a favor and kill yourself.

What makes a god "fake"

You made a claim about me which I demonstrated was a lie. Now you are dodging my question about why you lied. Is this a display of christian "morality"?

>the first world is becoming more of a shithole
What do mean by shithole? Living standards are rising and crime is dropping in most first-world countries. If you are talking about immigration-related problems, you might want to reflect on what your baby jesus commands you to do regarding immigrants: let them in. If it were up to me, I would close the door. Most of the world's problems are attributable to over-population, and the cunts in the religion business.

You presume that a god exists

>but then we have to consider where they might have originated
Make sure you apply your own rule to your own favourite god.

>You even talk like a cringy Fedora autist
The third hat boy appears, completing the holy trinity.....
>Do natural selection a favor and kill yourself
.....and then displays his good christian morals.

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The fact that thousands of them have been fabricated, the fact that many of them are clear plagiarism of earlier gods, and the fact that every last one of them is supported by zero evidence.

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>we have no reason to suggest that they [odds or statistics] exist or matter in any other universe.

>benefits everybody
why help other people?

>a healthy society
again, what does that look like? does a healthy society include poor people? one only has to browse the catalog to see that's hardly agreed upon.

>self-evident
careful there, claims need to be backed up with evidence!

God you fucking moron. I'm an atheist, but there's no need to be a prick. Arguing is fun too and it's ok to discuss these things. As well, you don't need to respect their beliefs, they are pretty silly, but you should respect the person behind the beliefs. You're not going to convince anyone acting like this. Stop being an asshole, man.

>benefits everybody
>why help other people?
You answered your own question.
>a healthy society
>again, what does that look like?
Societal health indicators are well-documented. Google it.

I believe because the chances of our existence is so astronomically insignificant that it's perfectly reasonable to believe in creation. I want nothing to do with religion tho, fuck that noise. Nobody knows for sure tho, so for me to say I know, one way or the other, would make me a fucking retard. You know, kinda like OP

My godtard threads almost always elicit a response like this from someone claiming to be an atheist. You need to bear something in mind, champ. My target audience in this thread belong to a cult which promises me, an atheist, eternal burning and torture for the "crime" of being rational and reasonable. Not because I'm a murderer or a rapist or a thief. Because I am rational. They show that they are ok with this, not only by continuing to belong to the cult, but by telling me directly to my face that I am going to hell. This has happened on numerous occasions IRL. Can you see why I don't care much if I offend a christian or two in these threads?

you offend everyone you twat
kys

You have absolutely no way of knowing the odds of our existence. You also have no reason to assume that above a certain threshold of improbability (which you have no way of quantifying), a magic, invisible, floating faggot in the sky is required.

The technical term for what you are doing is "making shit up"

And I just explained why I don't give a fuck about that. Try to keep up.

Lol you lost at this post is proof

>I'll anser your stuff
>you Google it

Lol fuckin retard.

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"God" is a metaphor for the concept of good itself
Therefore, saying "I love God" means "I love good things"
That's all there is to it

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kill yourself.
you contribute nothing.
you have delusions of grandeur.
and you're a twat.
/thread

Might as well jut say that truth and reality don't matter lol..

t. buttshattered godtard

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Clearly you haven't read the OT

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I like your use or name calling and attacking people on a personal level, it really showcases your Yea Forums debate abilitys

>I cant talk on any other forum because i act like a 9 year old bait monster and this is the only way I know how to get "you's"

Are you still pretending to be an atheist? If so, why so emotional and angry? Or a you a "good" christian? If so, how do you justify the "kys"? Deep breaths, champ. Try to relax.

>stereotypes
your only hope of winning the hearts of the public is to associate sound reasoning with unattractive men

Would you prefer it if I threatened others with eternal burning and torture? Or told them kys? Would that be more civilised?

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The simple idea of an all knowing entity that is able to create the complexity of life and be omniscient during this process seems so outrageous. Until we can prove that omniscience is somehow unachievable for a living organism, solve Fermi's paradox, and determine if life truly was created with purpose or if it's just pure coincidence, we can't rule out the idea of a greater intelligence either setting our existence in motion or using us as a fucked up science experiment

>but everyone else is throwing poop

Lol no man but in all seriousness I agree. I mean why not stoop down to the lowest level with the rest of the filth? That's what 4chin is for. Literally just a stomping ground for retards. And look at you, kicking up the most dust. Good on ya m8

No, I've just always felt there was way more to existence than the physical plane, but as I said, those are my beliefs and could be completely wrong. Feel free to continue being mad because I don't like the same things you do tho

You cant convince either way... even though I'm convinced organized religion is the greatest pyramid scheme ever concocted in the history of the world.

I'm not offended at all. Maybe you're the twat

I understand what you're saying and it's a fair point. When I discuss this subject in other forums, I use a more civilised tone. But that doesn't work here. When in Rome.........

>You cant convince either way
Yes, you can. Godtard numbers are declining in educated countries. That means people ARE being convinced.

I knew so many guys like you who ended up becoming religious l8r in life. You are unironically a child looking for attention and acknowledgement and this is the onlyway you know his to get it. Nobody here is arguing because they have problem with what your saying, there arguing because they fucking hate you because you have the emotional and intellectual maturity of a 17 year old

Imagine reading from a book you clearly don't understand. And so you interpret it like a fucking stupid nigger.
>Religion summed up.

Life doesn't just come out of nowhere. But that doesn't mean making shit up from a book written by jew's will help solve it.

>right back to the name calling

Lol I could debate circles around you m8, youd lose uglier then bill nye the science guy

Ah the "im not going to bother because name calling."
Its ok little snowflake I understand

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh the "o too good to wrestle in the shitpile with me?" Its ok little 17 year old atheist. I understand

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Hey, we don't allow sensible alternatives here. It would be best if you leave.

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>Thinking you're superior for believing bullshit
>Please i'd to hear what someone like you would have to say since clearly you know everything you entitled prick

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Making a lot of assumptions there, champ. And here's another one:
That wasn't me.

saved

To the godtards ITT: you know you have the one true god, right? The one given to you when you were too young to reason? Picture a guy the same age as you, in a different country, or in a different era, brought up believing in a different god. He is just as convinced as you that he has the one true god.

You can't both be right. But you can both be wrong. And you are.

Lol I didnt even say I believed in God you retard, I'm just arguing with em. God you have such a "us vs. Them" mentality and its pathetic. News flash jack ass other atheists hate you too. Because being an atheist dosent make you on every atheists team. Just like thier are chill Christian's there are retarded atheists. Your part of the latter

HURR HURR The conditions are just right on Earth so therefore there must be a deity.
How fucking retarded is religion? I'll never hire a candidate who has any mention of religion on his social media profiles.

You didn’t even post a yellow pic. No one read this including me past the 3rd line or so.

It’s very difficult to understand the flow of this board I know, but you’ve actually posted a response to a totally unrelated thread to what your concerned with.

I think you can find more of that on page 11.

>thier are chill Christian's
>thier
>Your part of the latter
>Your
You're speling sujjests ewe ar an crischun

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>I'll never hire a candidate who has any mention of religion on his social media profiles.
Precisely. This is the way to get religiotards out of politics.

great. now that guy has a boner, nice job op

kek

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Lol

>cant debate on facts so ima just go back to the attacks.

Come on godtards, I have to go out in 20 minutes. Keep me entertained until then.

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Oh so you're just an idiot?

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Somehow I doubt you laughed out loud. Are you telling lies for jesus again?

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>Him

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>Its basically this

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If he's refering to Yahweh then its still a proper noun. God is a god.

Do you not interact with society? Think back 10 or 15 years and mentally note the difference in the every day behavior of people. Less friendly, less attention span, quicker to anger, quicker to ignore. It isnt a coincidence. Religion is good and bad, good for morals bad in the form of extremists. And taking it to the extreme doesn't necessarily mean violent.

No. Yahweh is the proper noun and (technically) deserves a capital g. god is a common noun. You don't get to appropriate the word.

Ya know... i never really thought about the internet as a man-made omni-present tool but it certainly is and thats quite fascinating.

This one is wrong though you can google about these 'gods'.

I mean dawkins is just a british stereotype. Hes not wrong but he definatly has a smug aura avout him.

I dare you to find a clip of hitchens being wrong in any sense of the word.

How did you decide that the lack of religion is the cause? Your time-frame coincides with the adoption of the net for many peole.

I have to go now godtards, and humans. It's been fun. See you all next Sunday?

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10-15 years ago you also did not have the constant bombardment of no-religion references and constant reminder of how gays is more better and how this and that and oh look at how bad the rest of the world is. Had none of that in your face. It's a combination of detaching the idea of religious guilt and replacing it with a concept of societal guilt

Hey.... donuts are awesome.

Christians literally call their god God. Like, they think thats his name. Like calling the dirt on the Earth earth. I mean i get what you're saying and were just arguing syntax here but i sunno how else to explain it. :/

People do say dirt is earth because it is earth. Are you a city boy, faggot?

For one, The abrahamic God seems to have some character development and has a series of prequels and spin off religions. Unless there was a large group of people simply willing to abandon their religion for the pursuit of another such as with the first Christian's or the first muslims, these sects wouldnt exist. Theres simply too much development to discern any point in which we say, yeah these people were spouting bullshit for their own convenience and these people genuinely beleive in what is occuring.

Dirt is dirt you fucking moron.

Its like saying a donut is fucking sweet bread.

Because GOD needs my money to defeat the liberals.

>benifits everybody
Nah ah ah, that's your definition of healthy society. Fir all you care, I'm a heathen narcissist who wants a society that benifits me, and since our society takes both our opinions at equal value, neither of them hold.

But its not The Earth. You could talk about "the earth on Mars" and be grammatically correct.

Dirt is soil actually and soil is earth

It'd be Mars thenl. Martian soil. Do you people believe you can think? You must unlearn what you have learned.

>Pantheism

God Is the laws that govern our universe.

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All of you are fucking retarded faggots that have no reason discussing even on a image board as autistic as Yea Forums. The original proto indo Europeans made no distinction between the Earth they lived on and the Earth they tilled on. Earth is a colloquial term for ground but also the name for our planet because we found ourselves distinct to the rest of the planets. Therefore, we dont call the soil on Mars Earth because it is an "other".

Can OP even prove God or even gods don't exist? Ive never seen any proof they don't besides the hurrdurr stories of "why would your god/s let that happen?"
>God has a dark sense of humor

So, all knowing OP, what shape is the universe? Is it flat? Brian Cox makes some good arguments for a flat universe

Also I can prove god exists by simply stating that god is a word used to describe an adored admired or influential person..

Use of the word autistic, assuming that farming existed only in Europe. What we have is worse than a psuedo intellect, we have one who has memorised chess openings and strategy but does not know chess

>pronounces it gawd instead of geeohdee
>what a loser

heh they are my gods too... a bit cringe but overall nice. Too much praise for the intellect. Not balanced with nature.

>when you still live with your parents, work part-time at pizza hut, have never left your hometown, only read buzzfeed and richard dawkins, but completely understand the entire universe

holy shit, the longer I look at this picture and try to realize what those people had in common I get hypnotized and uplifted, fuck yeah. I got Watts's glory buaha!

pantheism is the only thing that makes sense.