Abolish private health care

Same user. This country is done.

And this is exactly why America will never have a decent healthcare system.

we should nuke ourselves to stop the allegals

You can't justify it, that's the point. This has been their end game the entire time though. Open borders with everyone on welfare. Watch some dickhead say the dems STILL don't want open borders though.

>immigrants are the problem
>not the megabanks that got a $17 TRILLION mulligan after blowing up the economy

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I actually agree with the idea of making health care more affordable, but you are fucking DREAMING if you think I will ever be okay with giving a fucking penny to cover an illegal's health care. That is the stupidest shit I have ever heard in my fucking life. These people don't even belong here and you are demanding they get gibs, ridiculous.

its every americas right to die poor and fat its not allegals right to get my burger money

>THEY. ARE. NOT. IMMIGRANTS.
THEY ARE CRIMINAL INVADERS WHO SHOULD BE DEPORTED OR SHOT.

if we pay for it with a federal sales tax, illegals will be forced to help fund it

Look, fucking get over it. There's gonna be mountains of refugees over the next dozen decades or so. As many as a quarter of a billion people may be on the move. The tropics are going to become uninhabitable. Parts of the Middle East, Sahara, Indian subcontinent, etc arguably already are. Then there's the coastlines and grain belts that will disappear and shift.

You can build your big, beautiful wall and pretend that only Americans matter. And commit slow motion genocide by neglect. Just say it out loud and in public, you coward -- you desire genocide over some perception you might be inconvenienced somehow.

That's not how taxes work though. Why do they even deserve health care in the first place? For breaking the fucking law and making babies they can't afford to raise?

we need to stop all the allegals from coming here and not working and taking our jobs

it is how taxes work

That's great, now tell South America, China and Japan to take those worthless fucks into their countries

>TAKIN' ERR JERRRBBBSSS!!!

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No it's not. Stop being a fucking retard, kid, we're trying to have a discussion.

look you stupid liberals, i know that i would pay less with nationalized healthcare, but i'm far too racist to let something good happen in america

>ILLEGAL
>ILLEGAL
>ILLEGAL
>TEH LURRRRR

Legal doesn't equal moral, you sociopathic gutter scum. It's illegal for Arabs to use certain Jew-only roads. It was legal for ISIS to saw off heads. Doesn't make it right.

youre the retard. taxes fund social programs, its what they do

Exactly this. "I'd rather have my whole family die of preventable disease than have a COMMIE healthcare system!"

Can NOT understand that...

>The basic argument is this: it's always cheaper to let someone die than to treat them.
Perfect description of NHS policy.

>not my job

You're a human. It's your job to be humane to other humans. Some other people being inhumane and immoral doesn't excuse your immoral behavior.

Say it. Out loud. In public. Where it counts. "I'm cool with watching millions die so that brown people don't offend my sense of propriety."

>having taxes pay for health care instead of lining a billionaire's pockets even further
gee I wonder

>at least it's not industrialized murder.
>America will never have a decent healthcare system.
So much concentrated ignorance in only two posts. I'm impressed.

I'll vote democrat for underhanded reasons

once the right loses their seats in government there will be a civil war which the right will win.
guns vs gay feelings and immigrants

go-ahead and claim the military will support the left. because most of us won't.

Then why are only white countries obligated to take in all those people? Why do you leftist cunts NEVER say spics should go to south america or sandniggers should go to other sandniggers countries where they fucking belong? And now you're demanding we give these people free shit they dont fucking deserve and we all have to pay for it? Yeah I don't fucking think so.

Well, if you have a refutation for it, I'm all ears. I sincerely want to see a good way forward.

It's called having a fucking job and being covered through that insurance. Millions of people do it every year yet spics and niggers cannot, why is that?

i cant wait until Jeff Bezos becomes Archduke of the Americas and brings shariah law to the US and makes all the white males become trans

Morality does not matter. If one person has to follow laws then everyone else should. If one person does not have to follow laws then nobody should.

there's not enough jobs, its all gig economy bullshit and part time

we should at least force companies to provide healthcare to contractors and part timers

Why should we do that? Because your fucking minority pets don't get coverage working at McDonalds or selling drugs? Why should normal, middle class people be forced to pay MORE money and taxes because your fucking pets are out of control and refuse to do the right things in life?

its immoral to create, uphold or even follow an unjust law

Exactly. Late Stage Capitalism at it's best. Keep 'em scared and sick and control 'em with marginal employment.

Do you really want to get bitchslapped again like your grandfathers did?

The only people doing what you're talking about are the fucking democrats, and they are pushing for socialism at this time.

>You can only have one problem.

Those banks should have failed and the bankers should have been arrested but that doesn't change the fact that we are getting robed to finance fucking brown hordes of filth

fully employed and rich people are minority actually

this is how broke your brain is, you're posting at me like i'm some kind of shadowy billionaire and twisting basic facts to satisfy your bigoted worldview

Did I say rich people you retarded fuck? Or is anybody who makes more money than you rich? I bet I'm talking to a fucking nigger too.

>only white countries

They're not. Brown countries all around Africa and the Middle East have been absorbing refugees for decades. South America and chunks of Asia are shitholes, yes, but are we going to blow money developing South Sudan and Ethiopia when we could sock that into South Africa or somewhere else that won't kill humans just for existing there in 20 years? And quite frankly, would you subject ANYONE to China that isn't already enslaved there?

Fuck, Canada's gonna be inundated with the desert Southwest -- white, Murikan refugees. US climate displacement has already begun.

>don't fucking deserve
Life, liberty, happiness. Life chief amongst these. ALL men. Don't believe that? Get the fuck out of America.

I don't think so, chief. If everyone is covered, it'll make people feel more secure. The companies don't want that, though, they want everyone scared and worried if they get sick, they'll be instantly bankrupt. If someone's afraid, they'll obey their corporate masters, won't argue for better wages and will generate more bucks for corrupt billionaires.

you're really vindicating my position here lmao

racist slime fuck off

>brown person gets a nickel
>rich person gets $1000
>brown person is robbing you

Your priorities are wack, son.

checked

Thank you - the dubs of truth

>s-s-top being r-racist

Go back to Fagbook if you don't like it, nigger. We don't have safe spaces on Yea Forums.

sounds like Yea Forums is your safe space you bitch ass snowflake

>getting robbed by one person means its ok to bring in more people to rob you.

I'd like to stop both issues.

racists say that the reason social programs cant work in america is because of minorities, when is very obvious that its the racists fault that social programs can't work here

Maybe you should tell your pets to stop making their own homes shitty? And then they come here and recreate the same fucking shit hole they just fucking left. Then they wonder why everybody hates them and don't want them coming here. Half of those fucking spics can't even be bothered to learn fucking English.

Why are you still here? Is Fagbook down or what?

they had fine countries until the white man came with colonialism, and it only got worse after capitalism became the main game

eat a dick cumrag

You are heading in the right direction. Drop income and property tax and jack up sales tax. Dont care how you make your money you end up contributing

>WAH WHY DON'T YOU WANT US TO TAKE MONEY YOU WORKED FOR TO GIVE IT AWAY TO OURS PETS WAH
>WAH GO TO WORK WHILE OUR FUCKING PETS SELL DRUGS AND HAVE KIDS THEY DONT RAISE OR PAY FOR WAH

Really jogs the nog huh?

US doesn't have private health care, we have insurance care; insurance decides what doctor you can see, what a doctor can do, and how much it costs.
If the US could treat all citizens equally (comparable treatment/pay for all), reparations wouldn't be necessary.
No one, but extreme hippies and claims by Foux News, have proposed banning all guns.
See previous for no deportations.
16,000 people in the US make over $20 million a year, these people decide our tax code, no one else.

No they were eating each other's shit and running around like dumb monkeys before whites showed up. Now they still do that but with guns while blaming everyone else for the shit hole country they made for themselves.

while we're at it, estates over 100 million should be subject to a sumptuary tax and i'd start an aggressive program tracking down large scale tax evasion schemes

you're just proving my point lmao

Great idea faggot. Let's jack up the sales tax to 30% or more so we can pay for Juan's and Maria's health care, and their 5 spiclets. Are you for real right now?

then you made your bed, now lie in it

The point that you're a nigger loving faggot? I know I am

whats wrong with that? it sounds like you're just a racist

>taxes are theft

Found the sovereign idiot.

I don't want to pay a fucking 30% sales tax you fucking nigger. I know you don't give a fuck because you hate America, but NORMAL people don't want to pay for your fucking health care while you gang bang, sell drugs and don't wear a fucking condom.

if it becomes law you're just going to have to deal with it, so just stop being racist

And you bet your fucking ass I'm racist. Why wouldn't I be racist, spics and niggers do nothing but drag the quality of life down for everyone else. And their slave masters are aiming to do the same thing.

If you work for a living, why would you want to waste money on basic shit that should be provided by the nation you're helping to maintain (i.e. basic health care and the education and training to do that job)?

Also, someone leagalize prostitution already! This is ridiculous!

fucking retard taxes keep shit running

Wrong. If you have a smaller problem (a headache) you might have to wait but if you have a serious condition, you're treated promptly. You sound like an Americunt :)

because of the feels-goods

It's not going to become law because you faggots aren't going to win in 2020. Take all your bullshit ideas and gibs for your pet minorities and shove it all up your fucking ass.

That's the shitty thing: there are some good ideas and bad ideas from both parties but it's like if you like some of the ideas then you must love everything the group stands for. It's just wrong. Free healthcare would be fucking awesome, but the Dem. plan for it is bullshit.

Someone once said, "there are good people on both sides." I forget who though...

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>pets

Don't believe other humans are human. Opinion disregarded.

Are you in the 1%, and preferably the .1%? Then you're a slave. The klepto class has convinced you that your enemy is the poor person next to you that looks ever so slightly different or talks funny.

The enemy is Davos. The enemy has always been Davos. No war but class war. No time like the present.

Yep, I've heard pretty good things about the NHS and have experienced the Canadian healthcare system. Far, far superior in my book. Nowhere but in the US do you have people going bankrupt because of medical bills. Barbaric.

Proves my point even further
*taxes aren't theft
*that nickel going to the brown person wasn't stolen
*therefore, the brown person that got the nickel didn't steal from you
QED.

>Are you in the 1%, and preferably the .1%? Then you're a slave. The klepto class has convinced you that your enemy is the poor person next to you that looks ever so slightly different or talks funny.

Bingo - this guy gets the full story.

>Don't believe other humans are human

Niggers and spics are not humans though. Even the democrats know that and treat them as such. Hence why they threw a fit over the idea that their pet spics were going to leave their containment zones and move in next door.

The ghettoest twerking Lashonda or the sleepiest Mexican Maria baby factory shares more commonality with your immediate family than your down syndrome ass. They're quite literally more human than you.

I know it's hard to hear, but if you bawwww hard enough, mommy might get you a new Team Umizoomi holofoil sticker for your helmet.

Bernie sanders is always talking like this

>Senator Sanders, in regard to the crisis on the border, what actions would you take as president?
>Well, yes, ah the issue on the border is, ah, going to be a top priority, but what we cannot allow is billionaires to run amok and destroy our economy as they did in the ah financial crisis of 2008.
>But what of this so-called border wall the president is suggesting?
>Look, this is all very important to me. The richest 1% of America have more wealth now than the bottom HALF of Americans!

We will continue to advocate for laws which protect our children. Shooting invaders at the borders AND having a civil war with lefist faggots is on the table. It's like we are on a lifeboat and 50 people drowning are climbing on and going to sink the boat, meanwhile some assholes are flipping out helping them onboard while rocking the boat. Eventually you have to resolve yourself and row the boat away. The US will do this within the next 30 years.

I'm okay with other countries managing their populations. They are not welcome here. Why in the world do you think their lives are in OUR hands?

Don't vote Democrat faggot, even for some make believe war

>business earns $1000
>nigger steals nickel
>leftist faggot doesn't understand difference

This right here is why Trump will win a second term. Everyone who disagrees with literally paying for the illegal immigrants is a racist.

I'm in the top 5% and yeah the Republicans are in my self interest. When they stop being the party that holds my interests I'll vote for the other ones.

>secede from the world

This is why we need Europa, Mars, Luna, High Venus -- so shitters like this have a frontier elsewhere to fuck off to. Brexit, Putinism, US isolationist redux, it's revanchist regressives that want what they want at any cost. Fine, show them a boat all their own to sink instead of demanding we drill holes in ours to go back to proper drowning like our forefathers.

>I'm in the top 5%
Dude, I'm in the top 5% too maybe even higher and I definitely feel like the GOP have nothing to offer me. They strictly care about billionaires, I'm surprised that isn't obvious.

Maybe if you think about it for more then 5 sec you could figure it out? maybe it's a bit hard using a dum dummy dumdum brain

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All. Men. All men. It's a simple ideal. If you find it unpalatable, leave.

>Free health care for illegals
>Reparations for niggers
>Ban all guns
>No deportations
Literally no sane person is asking for this

That's why I can't stand that faggot. All he does is point fingers at the rich and blame them for everything. Meanwhile everything he wants and asks for will be paid through taxes by the middle class. He's full of shit.

It's all bait, meng.

How the fuck is being against raising the sale's tax racist?

Did you miss the fucking debate last night? Oh what am I thinking, of course you fucking did.

this
type 2 diabetes is completely their own fault

>Say what you want about nationalized health care, about long wait times, etc. at least it's not industrialized murder.
You've never heard of death panels, have you

Funny how all the rich foreigners come to the US for treatment isn't it

They asked every candidate if they were in favor of giving free health care to illegals and they all raised their hands and said yes. But you keep on burying your head in the sand kid.

>Someone once said, "there are good people on both sides." I forget who though...
Someone who never met either side

If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.

you fucking mongoloids

>Literally no sane person is asking for this
You're correct.
Here are 10 insane people who want to be president.

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Because we aren’t gullible.

Great job saying a bunch of bullshit that has NOTHING to do with anything we're talking about. Now fuck off.

Truth.

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I mean seriously, what planet are these people on? As if any sane person is going to get on board with that. Then we're also suppose to believe the democrats don't want open borders?

Yes, because they are RICH. This should be no surprise to any of us since only the RICH can actually get care.

That was pretty much FUD as far as I can tell. But even if it WERE true, here's the rebuttal - it's fairly simple. Given that you come down with an expensive illness, would you rather have someone from the government deciding your fate or something that is literally incentivized via profit motives to let you die?

Personally I'd rather take the government guy.

are you really that dense? fucking tool.

>This should be no surprise to any of us since only the RICH can actually get care

You need to be 18 to post here

So in your world half of the country is rich? Are you seriously this retarded or are you just a nigger with no money?

The US is the world leader in cutting edge health care. The EU are leaders in second class health care, but the shit is spread around a little more.

>Why would anyone who WORKS for a living vote for a democrat?

Because the real buying power of working class people has been stagnant since the 80's because of shit GOP policies which funnel wealth from working class Americans through the defense, healthcare, and prison industries into the pockets of billionaires. Anyone who works for a living and isn't taking home at least $250,000/yr is a fucking dumbass if they vote GOP.

Source: I work in a factory. Half my coworkers work side-gigs like Uber, and literally none of them are able to pull off the fabled Singe Income Household with a wife and kids. There is no working middle class anymore. Just the working poor.

>Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
fify
>Life chief amongst these
I am guessing you are pro baby murder though

>congress approval rating 18%
You seem to have a lot of faith in the government.

Fuck yeah, baby murder is the best.

No you

>everyone is a broke negro like me

Yeah I don't think so Tyrone. Plenty of middle class folks with college degrees everywhere. Maybe you should try not being a fucking nigger?

>Let's jack up the sales tax to 30%

No one on the Left is talking about raising sales taxes. That's a regressive tax which disproportionately affects the poor. Liberal ideology advocates for progressive taxes, like increase income taxes on top earners, wealth taxes, estate taxes, etc. Those taxes make the most fortunate Americans improve society by funding infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc. Aside from the fact that "fairness" isn't really a concern, these taxes are fair because you can't run a company which doesn't take advantage of roads, electricity, educated, healthy employees, etc.

But I wonder: who HAS raised the sales tax? Donald J. Trump has imposed pointless tariffs--ie import taxes--on billions of dollars of foreign goods, and those import taxes are always passed on to consumers as inflated prices. Trump has raised your sales taxes. You dumb nigger.

Have you ever seen the costs of health care that's not employer-sponsored? It's pure extortion. Personally I have it through my employer but if that ever went away, I'd be hard-pressed to keep coverage. It's a control mechanism to keep people scared, sick, and COMPLIANT.

It's honestly irrelevant if normal people can't afford it or will be bankrupted by it. It's like saying a helicopter is the fastest commuting vehicle. Yea sure, but no one can afford it.

Despite your irrelevant statistic, I've already made my case. I'd rather the government decide my fate rather than a profit-motivated insurance company.

I'm a white dude with an engineering degree who works in the semiconductor industry. It's high end manufacturing work, and my company is known world-wide for their products. Maybe when you turn 31 next year you can move out of your mom's basement and get a job. Then you'll understand what working for a company that makes tens of thousands of dollars off an hour of your work and then pays you 20 bucks feels like.

You haven't made any case, you've made a bad decision, and want everyone else to suffer under the consequences

The reason people can't afford is because of price controls and government meddling

be healthy and you dont need medical care
faggot

The guy you're replying to didn't actually make the full case. The reason we can afford healthcare if we're working is because the gubmint pays for half of it. If they didn't, you would never be able to afford it. I have a "Silver" plan from work which costs me about $175/mo, but I know the actual cost of that plan is well over $300.

So for all the railing against Gubmint Healthcare, the Gubmint is already paying for healthcare in the form of:
- Subsidizing employer health insurance
- Medicare
- Medicaid
- The VA
- The obamacare subsidies for people buying healthcare through the marketplace and make

Just because you're white doesn't mean you're not a fucking nigger. You're one of those faggots who has a shitty job and wants everyone else to be as poor and miserable as you. Either get a raise, a better job or kys. Nobody is gonna feel sorry for your useless ass.

decent as in affordable

lol

So out of curiosity, what do you do, and what is your level of education? Because I'm pretty convinced you still live at home, either because you're in high school or because you're a NEET.

Most Trump supporters are FOX News-viewing religious conservatives, full-on unashamed racists, or too inexperienced and stupid to realize that the demographics of people making minimum wage, a barely livable wage, and a pretty comfortable wage are all actually getting fucked and manipulated by people making unfathomable amounts of money and using it to buy influence.

I'm not poor, by the way. I make enough to live comfortably, I own 3 properties, two of which bring in rental income, I have no debts, and I drive a nice car. Not having kids in your 30's is nice. How are you doing?

The real buying power of working class people has been stagnant since the 80's because women doubled the workers and tax base and halved the wages. Still cause by leftists.

'murrica is dying, the whole world knows it, and yet you still fight over who's what, lmao

>what is your level of education

If he had a high school diploma I'd be shocked

Ah yes. I'm sure the women went to work and said "Pay everyone half!"

Corporations set pay, and they set it to the minimum they can get away with. They can get away with murder because your choice is between working for shit pay or not having a home, food, healthcare, or porn. America is a country of wage slaves.

Tankies pretending the wall street bailout loans weren't loans and weren't paid back. It's almost like they're willingly ignorant. Makes it easier to advocate their nonsense when the evil banks are completely responsible for the 08 crash and the idiots that borrowed more money than could pay off are "victims".

>Abolish private health care
That's abolish private health insurance. And that's all that we need. Any attempt to replace it with any form of payment assisting programs government or otherwise, that includes medicaid, would just let the healthcare industry keep its momentum of profit. The provider and the consumer work it out and the country (taxpayer) is no longer breaking its back trying to pay these absurd costs.

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lol these banks lost money in an industry where you loan out imaginary money and have people give it back to you with interest, and they somehow still managed to fuck it up by loaning money to high-risk clients out of sheer greed.

By the way: who backs student loan debt? The gubmint. We're effectively taxing people who are seeking educations instead of funding education, despite the fact that every study in the history of the universe shows that investing in education ultimately makes you money hand over fist.

It's almost like the taxation and regulatory bureaucracy impeding free enterprise are your real problem and not the over-sized mismanaged corporations that you could be competing with.

What happened? Did you choose to borrow more money than you had ever seen on a degree that's practically worthless, decide rich people are responsible, then figure we might as well get rid of the system that eliminated poverty and replace it with totalitarian communism?

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remember all those people screeching that their education was a worthless scam? Think about that when you start advocating that the government buy into that scam for absolutely everyone.

Please be low quality bait nobody can be this fucking dumb.
All those roads schools hospitals laws and everything else to build a civilization that was brought by colonization is so terrible should have left the savages cutting each others hearts out and eating each other.

Please provide evidence one's value as a human being is fundamentally tied to laboring for another entity's wealth.

Fucking retard

Yuh got me!

But user, all of those spics and niggers had advanced civilizations and lived in complete harmony before whites showed up. Did you not get the memo?

I saw that debate. It was hilariously awful lol

It's almost like you aren't demanding the government take other people's money and give it to you.