I have been thinking of this a lot, why does God allow such depths of despair? Then while listening to Nirvana this came to me, why is it that deep music almost invariably requires pain? We complain about the suffering in the world, but then we go about enjoying the fruits of its labour? Alan Watts said that suffering creates energies, like an oyster suffering to mature a pearl. Pain seems to be a crucial thing in enjoying these things? Or am I just emo?
Figured Yea Forums knows suffering.
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Introducing the concept of a god or gods into our world will definitely get you into an intellectual tailspin, so stay away from that.
And the only reason why music/art borne of suffering is "good" is just because it's relatable to everyone. That's part of what makes art good.
I think you're just overcomplicating things
I don't think the concept of the ground of being can be dismissed so quickly. That is one aspect of course, that it is relatable to everyone. But think of your perfect world? Could this music ever exist? Would you even like it if it came from some other source? Don't certain music just feel... real?
>But think of your perfect world
Again, this is where you're going wrong. Thinking of a perfect world, a perfect god, blah blah.... that's so far away from where we live and has so many honest logical inconsistencies, it's meaningless to even use it as a context for evaluating anything. (Sorry to get so pseud, but it's true...)
But if you insist on going to a perfect world, then I'd have to say that yes, art borne of suffering would be meaningless in that world.
Art is meaningless in any world
In a perfect world there wouldn't be enough suffering to even create it in the first place right?
That is far away? Isn't this a pure hypothetical discussion we are having?
>I have been thinking of this a lot, why does God allow such depths of despair?
You're God experiencing himself - the good, the bad, the hights of joy and the worst pain.
>Pain seems to be a crucial thing in enjoying these things?
Yes - Light can't exist without dark, pleasure can't exist without pain, big can't exist without small, non-existance can't exist without existence.
>Or am I just emo?
You are whatever you choose to be.
Well, I can't really disagree with that. Sounds so simple when you put it like that, but why such lows? My conclusion is that God is just one hardcore motherfucker, we've all seen those guys doing crazy stuns, guess God is no better? He doesn't walk away from a challenge.
Well, I agree there's no absolute meaning in art. It's all context.
Yes, it wouldn't be created. But if it were brought in from another world somehow and shown, the perfect beings wouldn't really know what to make of it. Similarly to the way most people look at abstract art today - for example: "It's just a deflated basketball covered in dung, WTF?"
>That is far away? Isn't this a pure hypothetical discussion we are having?
Yes. I view this as all hypothetical, just a thought experiment, nothing more.
Well aliens probably wouldn't even understand the concept of music? Or any of our music tbh. Question still stands, cause we are the only confirmed species in the entire universe as far as science is concerned.
I hope God gets HIV
Exactly my point. All art is context-dependent.
Well basically everything is context-dependent ain't it? Art is subjective, maybe. But still all of mankind has a preference.
As a fan of nirvana i wouldnt consider their music deep. More angst than anything
Well, some things aren't. The laws of the universe hold constant as far as we know and we've done some simple communication attempts that are as context-less as possible and put them onto spacecraft destined to drift forever. Also, some mathematical concepts are context-less. Can't remember which movie it was, but in it, aliens conveyed the first 10 prime numbers to show/prove intelligence.
Still, you're right, it's a very limited set.
I mean, there has been deeper stuff made. But it does give one a certain feeling, doesn't it not? So it has a deep effect, would you not say so?
The speed of light has been increasing, google that. So eventually all the scientists got together and defined the speed of light so they wouldn't have to bother with reality any more.
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This was the source I heard it from.
That is super-freaky, I didn't hear about this before. I suspect it has to do with "stretching of space-time", but I know very little about it. Google "the big rip" if you don't want to sleep at night.
But regardless of if it's changing, it is actually the most famous example of context-free information. The speed of light in a vacuum is the same for each observer regardless of context. So, if it slows for one person, it will slow the exact same way for anyone else.
Terence McKenna thought that time was not pushed from behind, but unfolded forward into one event. youtube.com
I don't know why reality would behave this way.
Nice try faggot. This is Yea Forums, not r/im14andthisisdeep
Love you too.
>hights
That's just super-fucked. I don't understand why either, I never went past undergrad physics, but it feels like this is a Really Bad Thing. It means that causality itself is slowing down, so events will be happening more and more slowly... somehow? Will we feel it? Will we eventually be frozen in time? Will the universe just slow down and stop like an unwound clock?
Way Fucked Up
No. I don't think it means that at all, I think you've just smoked too much kek. I think time is heading towards something, that it has a purpose. Don't think it is a bad thing.
Oh look. It's another brainwashed beta male that thinks earth is supposed to be a perfect utopia
That's not what Watts was on about at all, cupcake.
>god
it seems you are already having a lot of wrong premises. god does not exist. if anything else is the case, tell me why.
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>just 3 minutes of somewhat hegelian ramblings without any proofs or anything of substance
wow you really convinced me user
you're confused, hombre
This is funny to me, just like you couldn't judge how good a brain-surgeon was unless you were an actual brain-surgeon. That you are interpreting it that way is fascinating, I don't think it would hurt to listen to it a couple of times.
Also calling you not quite real does give you a curious feeling, does it not?
Extrapolate would you kindly?
Easy: There is no god