Is science dead, or was this the right call in this particular case?

>we will see pedophilia become "normalized"
Whats wrong with fucking a child? Who are you to tell a 10 year old child that they can't enter into a relationship with a 50 year old man?
Youre agist you biggot patriarchal cis gendered privilege white male

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the same hapoened with homosexuals, when they got popular in politics, suddently they weren't sick anymore.

How does it feel to be a fag, and lefties forced scientists to say shit they do not agree with, even destroying what it means to be a scientist all for you? Thus rendering our advancement to a hold.

I am mentally ill myself(inb4 no shit), but I wouldn't want humanity to fall behind / get stuck only to hear the lie of being normal.

It's the definition of an abnormal behavior, because psychology defines abnormal as anything diverging from the standard baseline. Which is one of the root problems of the field -- they're making clinical diagnoses based on whether someone's different, not on whether they're ill.

>Who are you to tell a 10 year old child that they can't enter into a relationship with a 50 year old man?
The same people who tell that 10 year old they can't vote or buy booze. The reason this whole "now that homosexual relationships are normalized, pedosexual relationships are next" thing doesn't follow is because we have this concept of age of consent. Children literally cannot consent, therefore they cannot be in a consenting relationship.

/thread

Science is dead, but it's dead because there's no causal theory of complex systems and there never will be. Psychology is merely one example of this problem.

Science is dead, hijacked by politics and corporate profiteering.

psychoanalysis is not a science

>no causal theory of complex systems
elaborate

You are incredibly retarded. "If a cow is meat, does that mean that all meat is from cows?" That's you, youre stupid

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You guys don't do objective reasoning very well. Obviously it's not "normal"... but what's your point?

gender dysphoria is not a "right wing" idea. The idea that people having it are suddenly "normal" is a left wing idea.

You are right about one thing, though. The fact that science isn't in line with these leftist views does, indeed, discredit them.

Hot Topic t-shirts still aren't very funny.

This, get fucked cuckservatards

how can you call these people mentally ill?

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normal can be declared objectively. Is more than 50 % think A, than A is normal. Is more 50 % a certain sexuality(hetro, bi, gay etc) than that is normal.
Is more than 50 % a redhead, guess what? Being a redhead would be normal.

Those things are based on facts, not opinions, so that makes them objective.

So being anything other than hetro, makes you not normal.

Very easy semantic issue.

>we publicly pressured scientists to change the science to reflect our non-scientific views
>due to public pressure they changed their views
>fuck everyone who doesn't believe in science!
kek

That's true, but it's also true that being tall is abnormal, and therefore everyone except manlets should be defined as mentally ill

Left: a fetus is just a parasite! we're not killing anything
Science: A fetus begins brain activity at 5-6 weeks, a child's heartbeat begins at 8.
Left: bybuahdeemuhchoice!

The left abandoned the science of life a long time ago.

Love how "science says so!" is a valid point of view until science stops supporting certain points of view and turns into "some PC Lefty bullshit". Hmmm it's like they didn't really care about science at all and just wanted an excuse to project their feelings........

LGBT are all "normal", but so is paedophilia, killing for fun, suicide, self harm, etc.
Normal doesn't mean it's right, it just means it's normally found in nature.

Sorry dude, if you care about brain activity that much you should stop killing mosquitoes, did you know that they're more intelligent than fetuses?

Except that being tall has nothing to do with mental health or physical impairment. I've never met a level headed tranny who isn't an emotional wreck. Those kind of *normal* people have other shit to do than trying on clothes from the opposite gender

Agree

All trannies and gays are victims of child abuse - that's the fucking science for you.

Now try to say it without crying

STRONG AN BRAVE - He's a queen for a day

This is the height of retardation.

Please show me the censored google friend.

Spin that how you'd like; but what you said is a huge leap in logic. First of all, homosexuality is found in much of the animal kingdom. I'll admit, it isn't conducive to reproduction; but it does exist. Secondly, equating gay people to pedophiles is just kinda crazy. It's like saying that anyone who has ever been in a fight is just like Jeffery Dahmer.

>I-I have a girlfriend! S-She just goes to a-another school!

because you believe it?

This is a false equivalency. Physical attributes are not connected to mental illnesses.

What this user was saying is that "normal" is not a subjective definition. In many things, "normality" can be objectively measured, verified, and defined.

Decades of psychiatric evaluation of thousands of "transgender" people have proven that people with gender dysphoria are not normal. Their dysphoria cannot be attributed to their physical attributes, so it stands to reason that it can only be one of two things: genetic imbalance or mental illness.

Your genes predispose you to a different sex (extremely rare) Or your mind fails to recognize that you are your both gender - illness.

Was it your uncle?

Dude it says it literally there.
Paedophilia: philia.
Homosexuality: sexuality.
A minor can not consent.
Two adults of the same sex can.

>Is science dead
Science has surrendered to the politics of the day.
>assuming "psychoanalysis" is actually science

Not other user but gays are under 2% of the population in the US, but are between 30% and 60% of the pedos, depending on the study. You are the one ignoring patterns and statistics here.
>homosexuality is found in much of the animal kingdom
Ha, so is rape. Let's get to it boys.

lmao i want to die

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You're a fucking mammal. Your sole reason to exist is to pass on genetic code.
Just because gays "exist" on the planet, human or otherwise, doesnt mean they are not genetically inferior and fail utterly at their one reason for being born. To make more of their species.
You're argument is shit, and in no way excuses or normalizes faggots. They are broken wastes of life that drain resources.
Furthermore, straights need to stop fucking breeding. We have enough already.

>attempting to literally and seriously compare a human life to that of a fucking bug

YOU may be trolling with your satirical post, but the sad truth is that the left actually thinks this way. Keep promoting this bullshit tho and keep pushing and just maybe civil war 2 will happen and we can justify getting rid of all you wastes of fuck.

The differences in life between a mosquito and a human are so vast to be beyond compare. Outside of normal cell function and general brain activity, you cannot equate them in any way.

Yours is a literal apples vs. oranges argument.

But rape is not based on consent. The important part about homosexuality being okay is the fact that it has it's bases on two people who agree on loving each other. This is another reason why pedophiles will never be morally accepted, children can't consent

Nope, not gay, or bi, or trans... just smart enough to know you're an idiot.

Lastly, faggots of whatever brand of 52+ genders are what, less than 8% of the US population? Yet somehow they commit almost half of all child predation cases in the justice system.
Faggots loke fucking children.
Fuck off.

humans define what normal is you fucking retard

The problem here is that you're never gonna see past your own belief that a fetus is worth more than a bug because you already consider it a human being. And it's totally okay, but that makes this discussion pointless because we both know we won't change each other's point of view

>rape is not based on consent
Thats all I needed to hear. Time to start my struggle-fucking spree.

>rape is not based on consent.
>children can't consent
>vaguely trying to justify the fact that he is a pedo, and defended other pedos
Kys

You just moved the goalposts after using a natural fallacy. Try again.

Psychology is not science

>psychoanalysts
>science

This. Psychology lost all credibility when they removed homosexuality from the DSM-5. It was already a soft as fuck science that changed every week, now it's just a tool for pushing political agendas.

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>projecting
kek

???? Maybe I worded it wrong? My bad if thats the case, but I don't support pedos in any way, shape or form, I believe they should be fucking jailed for life because as I said, children cant consent, therefore they aren't capable of having sexual relationships. Hell even their bodies aren't Fucking ready for that

Many universities in the U.S. are offering Psychology degrees in science now, rather than the arts. The field is purposefully moving away from the "psychoanalysis" way of thinking and moving more towards research - especially of the human brain and biological functions. The programs require much more math & science courses, in addition to more psychology courses based in statistical analysis.

Yes, but normal just means normal. Median. Typical. They have some measures of functionality vs. non functionality, but those are very gross, imprecise tools. Psychology has no way to alternates to normal, and it's a fundamental flaw in the (lack of) discipline.

>CNN

The field is basically worthless shit. It's things like cognitive science and neurology that are actually applying scientific rigor to the study of the mind, for the very first time. Psychology is trying to adopt some of that in order to justify a reason for its continuing existence, but it's a parasitical field that offers no value in itself.

Damn you were justifying rape with animals and I'm the one using natural fallacies? Interesting

>Science has surrendered to the politics of the day
It always has been like that, you fukken newfag of the planet. Remember Giordano Bruno when he said the earth isn’t the center of the universe? And countless examples like that?

Over a millennia science and nature have dictated when still in the womb whether you’re a man or a woman. And that’s what it is, now leftists want to completely rewrite human biology. It’s wild, they always piss and moan about republicans hating science when they’re just as guilty of it

So it was your dad?

Gay is blatantly abnormal, doesn't mean it can't be socially acceptable, but its abnormal. Our bodies and brains are clearly designed for heterosexual attraction and intercourse. But sex is a strong instinct/impulse, its not super surprising that gay people exist.

Transgender is a mental disorder through and through. Being a man and dressing as a woman is abnormal and weird, but okay in my book. But thinking you are woman literally and chopping bits off and thinking you can turn yourself into a woman is illness.

Big up for Jessicuck

so what about human hermaphroditism? yo do know that cientifically exist, right?

hermaphroditism has always existed so i don't know what the fuck all this "sciencs vs leftism" bullshit is, to be honest.

cause it's science the fact that you can be both man or woman, or woman with man developed genitals.

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Alright fam. My bad.

.... mods?

so spending 16 hours a day sitting on a computer eating doritos and mountain dew is normal?

who the fuck is normal nowadays? cmmon...

The left in a nutshell: "This birth defect will surely prove my point."

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>First of all, homosexuality is found in much of the animal kingdom
That's some VERY short-term memory you have there user. The hyperbole went right over your head I guess.

so if you coin a term like "infantsexuality", it suddenly becomes normal ?
Man, language is one hell of a thing.

Oh my bad, I'm not the same user, shouldve probably clarified that

Nope, it has already been labeled as paedophilia. And as I said way too many times before, children can't consent.

Normal can also mean "the standard", or "expected", or even "prevailing"

General psychology (therapists) can't tell us what "normal" is, but clinical research can. To describe it imprecisely, Clinical Psychologists focus on brain function and biology; neurons and chemical balances, to explain people's thoughts and actions.

Through clinical research they have found that there ARE genetic, hormonal and other chemical imbalances in their bodies that CAN be attributed to their dysphoria. Sure, because of the way data works you can never say its perfect 100% of the time, because no two cases have the same imbalances/conditions, but the sheer overabundance of cases that DO have one or more of these issues does show a correlation between chemical imbalance or mental illness to dysphoria patients.

So the "prevailing" action of being a human being is having normal gender identity and heterosexuality, it is THE STANDARD. It is not median or average by any means, it is the unavoidable, dominant condition of human existence.

yeah yeah nah nah nah cunt

Applying cognitive sciences and neurology is a basic tenet of getting a science degree in Psychology, rather than an arts. It'd much rather have psychologists who have a background in scientific study than those who don't.

Pedophilia and rape are also pretty widespread within nature. Ducks have corkscrew penises and false vaginal paths because rape is biologically ingrained into their mating process. Some creatures are impregnated right after being born. Should we normalize those behaviors because our ancestors indulged in them regularly? How about bestiality? Some species of seal rape penguins to death. Should we make animal abuse legal because cats sometimes torture mice and then not even bother to eat them? Chimpanzees, one of our closest relatives, will attack loners and infants in order to cannibalize them. Is abortion not enough? Should we make infanticide and cannibalism legal, too?

People who say homosexuality isn't natural are stupid if they're generalizing all animals, but people like you are even more retarded. Human ancestors and biological cousins did a lot of things "naturally", but that doesn't make for a good argument for supporting homosexuality.

So you are defining not normal as mentally ill, there is your problem.

I am tall, so I am not normal, that I am mentally ill is due to some other reason, I have some hypertension disorder thst is not normal.

Please, try to understand basic words before you start spewing shit

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So birth defects are innatural now?

Not a leftist here, just someone over 21 who is not a complete idiot about deciding what is "NaTuRe" and what is not.

not gay either, but im surely glad to tell you that there are over 150 animal species that exhibit homosexual behaviour.

Where did I say that being not normal means mentally ill?

That is right, only in your fantasy world.
You must be a special kind of mentally ill.

The Wathever-you-think-you-are-in-a-nutshell: "I decide what Nature is".

> we won't change our views
still tries to come up with witty things

nice

are you aware that birth defects are something natural and not a leftist point, right?

The term "Netflix" was coined, and it became really normal in today's society. what do you mean by that?

time travel 100 years back and tell everyone about your NeTfLiX, and how natural it is to society...

It has been long established that if you believe you are simething that you are not, that is a mental disorder.

Simple question here
Why does it matter who wears what or fucks whatever? Genuinely curious
Obviously fucking kids or animals or animals is wrong, but if you can answer without bringing those two into it id love to hear it

This

Popular Science or Media science was always a propaganda tool. Any Science that does not meet political needs was either kept obscure or discredited. It has always been so.

The real problem is, people think "popularity" is even an option against "using your own brain"/intelligence.

Also "opinions" are opinions, no matter how "expert" those opinions might be. Real science is not about opinions but about hard facts.

0.6% of the population is trans. That means it is abnormal.

Abnormal just means not normal, dont be a cuck about it and bend science to match your feelings. that's what started this whole mess you know? It used to be you were either a man or a woman, and then you were either a feminime expression or a masculine expression, but trans people didnt like facts so now gender doesnt mean shit and you got men with cocks and long hair raping women in women prisons.

Here >therefore everyone except manlets should be defined as mentally ill

You were trying to reason that the post you replied to's logic was saying that abnormal = mental illness. I was pointing out the error in your argument, that it is NOT WRONG to say that abnormal = mental illness, in the context of what we're talking about in this thread.

Yeah, and for those "abnormal" hermaphrodite cases, what we should do about?

because all you do is pretending it doesn't exist, and they do...wether it is normal or not.

>It used to be you were either a man or a woman

see

So what if it's a psychological sickness or not? The main thing is... What is causing it? LGBT+ have been around for centuries, so it's not that kids are "gayer" these days, or something on the food. So what causes those? Some LGB+ members get very nervous when asked

Doesnt matter what happens to hermaphrodites, thats not what the conversation is about. Hermaphrodited are real, trans are not. Facts.

should we then create a whole SCIENTIFIC category classified as "Abnormals"

and we put there every single person that is just ... normal, midgets, downs, blind people, birth defected people, EVERYONE. no sex, no gender, just "abnormals"

that would be the correct, scientific way? also what will be the standard for "normal"? majority?

dont strawman me bro. The existence of intersexed people doesnt mean you can claim you're a woman when you were born with a cock. try reading beyond a 2nd grade level bro.

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good luck leaving the basement.

Who said unnatural? If it occurs in natural, its natural by definition.

But a birth defect is exactly that - a defect. Its an error in development. Natural biology is not perfect, mistakes occur. We know how a human body is supposed to function. If someone grows a sixth finger it is natural but its not normal.

A hermaphrodite is an error in embryonic development.

Registered independent.

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>try reading beyond a 2nd grade level bro.

loser.

This is true, we as gays are an entire hive mind plotting to control the world as a whole

You have no fucking idea how this shit works so just shut up. Scentist are smart, let them figure this shit out, they dont need your retarded advice. Dont confuse science with people's personal idenities, you will lose each and every time.

It’s probably gonna get worse too with all the political bias. Scientists can’t get their research funded unless it helps some politicians agenda.

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Get more smart

While I agree with you that is conveniently ignoring hermaphrodites - theres is a particular condition that warrants special medical care. The vast majority of "trans" people are not like this, they have abnormal hormonal and mental conditions that do not present physically. Because of this you really can't treat hermaphrodites and transgender people the same - one is a severe condition with permanent physical symptoms where as one is a mental/chemical condition that alters behavior.

They still think it's abnormal, this is just to save face.

yeah, and being really tall is also, but is not considered "abnormal" due to society standards, my friend.

it isn't always about nature per se, but what we humans think about nature and normality.

just to be clear, if you have hermaphroditism, then it is surely a birth defect that proves your fucking point if you want to change sex to wathever feels comfortable to you since you know, you have both fucking genitals.

They are literally abnormal. 99 percent of the world is straight. Abnormal doesnt mean wrong, just not normal

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Keep boxing with that strawman bro, when you're ready for me let me know. Elsewise fuck off.

100% off my point. Nervous much?

I could be a NASA engineer and still wouldn't be smart enought to counter a fat-basement-teenager on Yea Forums.

You can just change the definition like they always do... 3% isn't "abnormal" it's just not standard... Being left handed isn't "abnormal" it's just not as common. (But it's still normal you beautiful strong individual)

you realize pedophillia being normalized by anyone was a prank to fuck with people on the left and the media. like the "pedophillia are apart of the lgbt" thing

I agree. So it's correct that they apologized, since that is what is the correct social behaviour. So since is still alive.

I still understand why calling it "abnormal" isn't such an insult, they are probably science nerds and behaving like robots. Which is totally fine.

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>You have no fucking idea how this shit works so just shut up.

gotta love summer man!

Just lrn to read jesus christ, stop with the excuses.

woke

I don't think the vast majority of people who disagree with homosexuality think this, that is unless they're western Protestant Christians, then yeah they have some weird fucking thoughts.

But why did the narrative of homosexuality change. I was 18 when the California Prop 8 vote happened, and I distinctly remember the campaign to allow gay marriage. The line was always the same, "Gay people could be anyone...we are your neighbors...you stand in line with us at the grocery store...you can never tell who we are, we aren't evil, we jus twant to be normal!"

But now its all hot pink dildos and parades. The vast majority of the western world has accepted homosexuality but it doesn't seem to be enough - now it needs to be CELEBRATED.

first intelligent response. thanks man. 10/10 would kindly debate with you.

>It always has been like that, you fukken newfag of the planet.
Where did I claim is wasn't, summerfag?

what does that even mean men? what the fuck is wrong with american kids today...

You need to get put in your place son, you have no right to be talking, and every word you say just makes that more and more evident.

I said this same thing, you were just being a cuck and refused to see it.

And it all depends in what society you live in. If you went in ancient greece more than 50% would think pedophilia is normal. If you ask the same question in america you'll get different answers. It's all about the culture shaping people's mind, not numbers.

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It means you're talking shit, cause that's all you are.

Science is based on evidence. New evidence shows homosexuality is biological, not psychological.

the real question about all this fuss is

W H O F U C K I N G C A R E S?

what the fuck do you care if 2 people wanna be gay and be together?

what the fuck do you care if someone doesn't like to ve Dave, and wants to be Jessica, even embarrassing himself to a major part of society?

why the fuck do you care about what other people do, man?

we have gone too polarized. We have gone in a few decades from killing homosexuals almost everywhere on Earth to gay pride parades in Cuba or India, and all corporations that run the world economy show support for the LGBT+ movements.

We've become so polarized the debate about these topics is rigged from the beggining. You can't claim you dislike sth about the movement without being called a homophobe or "encloseted, self-hating fag".

Guess we'll have to wait for it to die off a bit, so discussions on these topics are not that polemic.

im talking shit for saying hermaphrodites have their right to choose wathever gender they want?

nice one there buddy.

They have already been labeled as faggots. Can't change it now

>You need to get put in your place son.

why does this kid talks like a 50 years old virgin? no right to be talking? MEN THIS IS FUCKING 4 CHAN FOR FUCK SAKE.

you are in the top 3 most autistic people i've encountered here, and i'm here since the PUDI (2009)

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Do. Not. Question. Us.
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ScIeNtIsT ArE SmArT

what about gender studies scientist? please go outside and take some air.

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I’m pretty sure the old members of the lgbt, old gays and members that were around during the stonewall riots, are pretty disappointed with how young gays are acting. The old ones wanted to pass off as normal and be left alone while the younger generation of gays want to parade around the city with sex toys and other shit about how happy they are that they’re gay.
The older generation of gays I’m fairly certain would disapprove of how eccentric the young generation of gays are acting.

We care because it's not that simple.

These people aren't saying "I just want to be me and be left alone..." They are saying, "I want to be me, and you have to change the fundamental definitions of science to accept me. You have to allow me to use the bathroom of my choice, put me on the sports teams of my choice, place me in the institutions and schools of my choice, and provide me a hiring preference because muh oppression."

They aren't asking to exist, they are asking to be elevated to higher consideration than other people in society. And fuck that - they aren't special just because they're different.

/thread

Science is definitely dead. We only have ourselves and Jesus to rely on.
God bless

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>The older generation of gays I’m fairly certain would disapprove of how eccentric the young generation of gays are acting.

That makes sense. I mean it follows the same basic pattern of society at large - previous generations always hate the ways of young people, why would it be any different in the gay sub-culture?

Everyone I've known who has been transexual has been to some degree bipolar.

They're mentally ill people who have either taken their sexuality too far or have been abused to the point where they no longer want to be men. it's undoubtedly a mental illness.

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It’s only June when corporations decide being a fag is profitable and appealing to the lgbt community is good. After June they don’t give a fuck anymore lol

i understand what you say, and in most cases i agree with you. but then again, humanity is more complex than just "normal vs abnormal" we evolved past that.

what i truly think of it, despite recognising i agree with you, is, i dont give a fuck if they want to use the bathroom of their choice, and be on sport teams of their choice. what do you care? are you afraid to be out-runned by a trans girl?

It really doesn’t help that transgenderism has been removed from the dsm when it is a mental illness. It fits the criteria. But noooo, that’s not “progressive” to label it a mental illness. Ridiculous.

You are missing the point, user.

Its simple economics - support the ABCDLBTGQPOQIWENALIDU+ and you'll earn the respect of several people of that community, probably increase sales a little bit, while losing just a little to hardliners. Most normal people will just keep on buying your shit.

But if you get caught being against it, or even just not-overtly-in-support of it - you may lose sales because of the boycott calls of the leftists.

and you care about corporations doing profitable things with the gay community because...?

Im glad you've brought up the height thing for the 20th time in this thread. People are taller now than they used to be, humanity is just getting taller. Extremely tall people are still looked at as abnormal, Im not sure what you're talking about. We keep track of them on wikipedia, they get put in Big Fish, we used to stick them in the circus, oh wait...

You know what Sultan Kosen does for work right now, between getting measured by record books and procedures for his pituitary tumor? He works at a fucking Circus in Samoa. So please dont be a shit and say we don't consider it abnormal as a society.

And sure, a hermaphrodite can pick their sex. We could image their brain and see which gender they gravitate towards, as the male and female do have visible difference, but this has almost nothing to do with transgender people.

I think you just proved
Isn't scientific

No, I'm afraid for my daughter and my son.

They're young, simple, and blunt, like all kids. On sports teams, in schools, in public - kids call things for what they are. I'm afraid one of them, in an act of innocent ignorance of "societal definitions" will say - "No wait, you can't go pee in here, you're [not the right gender]."

They will be punished by school and society.
They will be shamed at large
They will be "re-educated" in what is right and what is wrong.

That I'm not okay with. That is why I have a problem with the "YOU MUST ADJUST SOCIETY FOR ME" tone of the current trans/gay community.

Your kids would get bullied so bad if they weren’t tip toeing over all the bullshit that modern society has become.

then maybe one of those young and simple kids one day will tell you he doesn't like the society role he's playing, and he wants to change his gender.

always remember this is a partial reality, our days are numbered, just be kind to wathever people want to be, gay, trans, or wathever.

you are afraid of your kids because of being gay is respected?

check your human values.

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If your child comes to you and wants to be a woman and cut his dick off and you lean into that you're a shit, evil parent.

You should teach your child to be happy with who they actually are. Transgenderism is a product of a very unhappy society. It mostly targets immature men. Maladjusted men.

This, but unironically.

gender dysphoria is cured in more than half of the cases if detected early enough during the infant stage.

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gay homosexuals have been proven to have a gene causing their sexuality. thus it's not an abnormality.
>is science dead, asks the retard

get a physical labor trade, perhaps shining shoes

>a group of some people said some things about some topic
HOLD THE PRESSES

Yes, but noone would listen to your "infantsexuality" crock of shit.

Considering their decision back then was not founded on science but contemporary morals (which is why they eventually banished the judeochristian lobbyists) I would say science is actually alive and well.

Source? Always heard "It's not genetic" (hence why it hasn't been bread out)

What science data backs marriage at all?

But more importantly, did they found out if wanting the pp in your anus is genetic or not?

This is not about marriage.

My fucking god. Gender dysphoria is absolutely recognized as a mental illness, and NOBODY disputes this on a clinical level. And no. Google doesn't hide studies showing that being transgendered is a mental health disorder. You can look them up! Likely the whole lot of you are too retarded to use the right terminology. Now, that said, it means that gender dysphoria is a REAL thing, and is not typically something people just decide they want to deal with someday (with some exceptions), so treat transgendered people with the same respect you would treat anyone else.

Uh, no. If humans defined normal, you'd end up with ass-backwards viewpoints such as flat earth being the dominant theory if agreed upon by the mob.
Normal should be defined by what's statistically and functionally average.

Meanwhile, one of the leading scientists in that field say it is a mental illness, and they just ban him.

marriage only for hetero people was founded on jeudochristian values.

>psychoanalysis
>science
It's a soft science at best. It's like someone who took a semester of nature science telling you about biology.

Yes, quite so. Anything not related to making human's lives easier is treated like backburner trash, people are obsessed with instant gratification. Those who have a monopoly over products in-general (including media) will promote shit like this because admitting they've already achieved their goal means no more donors, donors that literally pay their overhead.

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Who the fuck made Yea Forums liberal fucking capital anyway? Jesus christ, get a job. hippies.

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Ok fag

>one of the leading scientists
valuing the opinion of one scientist over many. god you're retarded.

>children nine times out of ten it is just a phase and they grow out of their homosexual/transgender phase UNLESS they have been molested/sexually abused
Citation please

We need to move away from this idea that mental illness is bad and people should be punished or cast aside for it. So what if these things were mental illnesses and abnormal? Do you think it means that those people are inferior to you and should be treated like garbage? Guess what? Depression and narcissism are also mental illnesses and I would wager they run rampant amongst everyone who feels the need to judge people based on their health or sexual preference.

Always weird this is the main point, like Kleinfelter and hermaphrodites, like somehow that 0.002% completely explains the 3%

Marriage is irrelevant to the discussion.
This is about psychoanalysis.

third variable problem
a lot of people in general are depressed, those affected and those inflicting. this is a poor basis to argue on.

How is science nut behind those views?

yeah, reproduction is off the table when you discuss LGBTIQPP+

p*rn

>the "prevailing" action of being a human being is having normal gender identity and heterosexuality
Isn't that based on figures and statistics that when they were made, simply revealing the fact youre homo could get you beaten or fired from your job?

Marriage is not related to reproduction.
It has endlessly more relation to economy, social dynamics and politics.
What's next, invoking God?

Ok, so are you arguing that because depression is common that depressed individuals are somehow more normal and therefore superior to homosexuals? One of those two conditions directly affects your productivity which people love to base the worth of others on, and it isn't being gay. You're not making a good argument either.

who are you talking to

>hermaphrodite
.05% of the population is born intersexed. We don't dictate policy to cater to a fraction of a percentage of the population.

>Should we normalize those behaviors because our ancestors indulged in them regularly?
Over time rape has been less and less normalized, user, false comparisons aren't a good way to make an argument.

yeah. people don't use to have kids when they marry. At least traditionally. Am I right?

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For one that's already largely wrong, with the only exceptions being societies where having kids or sex outside of marriage got you punished. But that's actually quite a short time frame in human history.
Secondly, marriage is not at all necessary for reproduction. In fact marriage is not necessary for anything at all.

duee, I was just saying in an ironical way that faggots can't reproduce by having sex among them...

Which is in no way related to the discussion at hand.
It's not even a clever comment.

Funny how your modern "science" bends endlessly to support everything that degenerates just invented. Even funnier is that the faggottry was removed from list of illnesses due to political and social reasons. Me and my brothers shit on your jewish pseudoscience.

Why would mods care about his post?

I'm a mental health counselor in training with an undergraduate in psychology. I don't think that makes me an expert in anything, I'm just saying I have some experience in the field. I was considering going into research, and this type of thing is exactly why I decided against it. You are basically a slave to grant money, and your findings have to replicate what people what to hear- or you are limited to "hot-button topics" for your research where funding comes easily (like breast cancer).
With that being said, look at this:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9015577
Viewing it from a societal perspective, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with dressing as the opposite gender. I'm just saying that if there is a trend with dysphoria being linked to other mental health concerns, there is a link there that is worthy of research (even if the other mental health concerns are influenced by being a trans person specifically)

>whatever they want to be, gay, trans, or whatever
Thats right, it IS a choice.

Bro do you even human language?

I don't care if my kids end up gay. I care about them being subject to punishment and ridicule for seeing the world the way it is.

You aren't clever fag enabler. Faggots have a constant desire to fuck not having a healthy kids, and if they even have a kids they either brainwash them or molest only to turn them into faggots. Hell. Trannies are even worse they will most likely beg kids to be like them and die early. 40's and 50's research support that claim. And don't give me any new ones, they are biased as fuck due to politicaly correctness and attitude of fag enablers. Faggots and trannies are least normal thing on the planet. The question is why faggots even exist ? Maybe its lack of moral hygiene or sexual frustration. Faggots and trannies are a stain on a heathly society.