Why would someone fake the holocaust ? I'm trying to understand holocaust denier views

There's an old prophecy about jews returning to teh holy land "after a holocaust of six million". It was a common reference in jewish literature prior to world war II.

Also it doesn't necessarily need to have been a premeditated lie. Rumors get spread and exaggerated even here in the information age. It's not hard to imagine people in concentration camps hearing, believing, and retelling stories about outlandish things like the camp having a railroad car ramp that catapults you into lava. Someone tells you that the prisoners taken to the Zyklon room weren't being deloused for transport, they were being exterminated. All you actually *know* is that you don't see them again, so it's easy to believe. Also both the victims and the victors in war tend to vilify the defeated enemy. There's a conspicuous pattern throughout history that pretty much everyone who ever lost a war was evil.

>Mass starvation and disease outbreaks durring the end of the war
>Not enough to feed or medicate people that are being forcefully relocated to isreal

Man. With the way the war went and how the routes were cut off from sending them to the promise land. It's a wonder how a population you don't want running around would look so terrible when they don't eat or have medicine.

No.
They're smart but they just repeat their same strategy over and over and it always winds up the same for them.
They don't seem to understand that you can only push so many people so far away from their core values before they say fuck all this shit and hit the reset button.

nobody faked the holocaust
it's not like people built fake concentration camps
the holocaust wasn't faked
it just never happened

reported

based

I don't know tim, I'm just asking questions.

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So the world has to support Israel

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faggot

I'm at the camp right now. It's real.

strawpoll.me/18218138/r

The chimney was built after the war.

Um, because it didn't happen? Like, what?

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sure. sure you are op.

so, how much you get paid to post this shit? asking for a friend.

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10/10

The holocaust was required to establish Israel

but the 60 gorllion shouldnt be forgot

Why is everyone talking about 6 million Jews when 17 million civilians, Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians died from the Nazis?

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are you fucking new here? jews love this pity party.

because only the fucking jews whine and bitch about it and fucking love being seen as a victim. it's pretty profitable for the kikes.
also, we know you're a jew, kid.

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mess with people

Ay tone

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Read all of this

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Aint that just ducking crazy

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Did you guys know that it is still common practice among orthodox jews to suck blood from the newborns penis after circumcision.

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>Why would someone fake the _______ ?

>holocaust
>moon landing
>spherical earth
>etc

because people need something to bitch about.

And here come the shills

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The 6 million figure is quoted in Jewish religious texts. There's no dispute about a number of Jewish people dying, however there's no evidence it was ordered by Hitler and the majority died from typhoid and starvation when the supply lines were cut. When you realise that 6 million needed to die in order to validate Israel as the holy Land (fact check that, it's easy) you realize the number is dodgy.. which leads to other questions.

Essentially, the other main reason it's so 'evil' is to stop national socialism, the socially conservative, economically left wing political system to be usable ever again.. as it took money from the Jewish elite. Right wing social, left wing economic, nationalist. It's against the global, one world government agenda and United world banking cartels.

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Sup baby dick sucker

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Why would you want this information, merchant?
So you can fabricate new "evidence"?
Write new lies into "history"?
All the while undertaking your own holocaust upon Palestinians?
>You're a wily one, I'll give you that.

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redpilled AF

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It's a good point, the answer's always the same - there's been countless genocides.
Everyone else moves-on, forgets the past, because it's useless, painful, embittering to dwell.
Not the jew - he exploits it, to subvert, undermine, leverage special treatment.
They're brilliant self-interest promoters, it's at the core of their religion after-all.
Ask yourself: why is there a special word "antisemitism" for racism against jews?
Everyone else, it's just racism. No-one even questions this.
Same with the "holocaust" - everyone else it's "genocide".
Not for the jew - gotta be a special, melodramatic word for him...

I'll tell you two things: one I'm a jew with German roots. Two I'm old.
Fifty years ago, among the jews I knew, the word holocaust didn't exist.
It's a new word coined by a nation to justify its questionable existence,
And more-so to justify its genocidal actions.
The State of Israel learned a LOT from nazi Germany,
And what it learned sickens and shames us.

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Hey Rabbi, watcha doing?

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why is it every time someone wants create a jew caricature they always draw a greasy italian?

>Ask yourself: why is there a special word "antisemitism" for racism against jews?
>Everyone else, it's just racism. No-one even questions this.

but the germans created that word in the late 1800's.

Holocaust deniers are hopelessly ignorant faggots.

Its not that the entire even is fake. But the numbers, the numbers are pumped up.

Not just this, many of the details are hazy as fuck about the Holocaust, yet WW2 is highly documented. I mean Hitler's fucking dentist got a book published

>Germans

I am from a country that had big jewish minority. Where are they now? Any reasonable answers?

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Why cant you just accept the truth and move on?

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>details about a crime against humanity are hazy
imagine that. you do realize the germans destroyed a lot of the documentation toward the end of the war

Jews are never happy with their lot and they're dangerous as they're smart enough and in the mindset to manipulate and destroy

How come if an event so obviously happened it's frowned upon to look at the finer details and illegal to denial?

I call rule 34 on the holocaust

because Yea Forums loves conspiracies and any excuse to hate jews, they get a twofer with this

most of the corpses were burned in piles outside not in crematoriums but keep drinking that stormfag koolaid

Shits and giggles?
Just seems way over estimated
If you consider that the Jewish population of germany in 1939 was around 234,000
Where did those other 5,766,000 come from?

It did happen. Most deniers are shitposters being edgy or genuinely retarded whyyt supremacists

Poland

Even if that number is accurate, they didn't just kill German Jews. They killed entire populations of towns and cities considered "undesirable" that included anyone deemed to be helping the undesirables.

nigger they didn't document it to begin with. Because it wasn't part of a plan, like most of WW2 it was improvised.

Did Hitler know it was going on? He sure did, did he care? not at all.

But there was no grand plan. it started out as harassment, then deportation, then the war started and they couldn't deport anymore. Then what do you do with your enemies or the allies of your enemies in war? you put them in internment camps.

The war brought a shortage of food and supplies et al, they were deem to be inferior by the ideology of the SS... it doesn't take a genius to see that's how it went down.

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ISRAEL
DUH

yeah the "final solution" isn't a well documented historic fact and SS officers totally didn't admit to it after they were either captured or deserted idiot

of course you'd post a link or something. Something that proved they recorded their methodology and technology they manged to kill AND dispose of the bodies of around 3,000 people a day from 1939 to 1945

THIS IS BULLSHIT

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yeah I'm gonna post links so you can say "jew propaganda" really good use of my time asshole

wouldn't that work more in your favor? you publish hard evidence and then your opponent fobs it off as conspiracy?

I mean if you're so certain of your assertion, what's stopping you? you've had two comments now..

fine

theswamp.media/the-holocaust-where-are-the-bodies
istheholocaustreal.com/where-are-the-bodies.html
phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

inb4 jew propaganda

But why haven't they found any remains of the alleged mass graves?

they have

bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

They aren't related to the final solution (which only is dated from 1941 onward) documents though, which is what we were discussing, and one of them makes a false assertion about the germans choosing evil (the Nazis lost many elections and struggled to gain enough seats in the Reichstag for over a decade)

One also states over 4,700 could have been cremated today, the world's leading holocaust historian Raul Hilberg even says thats stupid and puts the numbers at 5.1 million total

But nothing in this article supports the alleged 800 000 death toll. That people died and were cremated in the camps is nothing new, it's about the numbers. Please help me understand, I really want to believe.

right so jew propaganda

also your third link is 404, both links are ok, one just makes assertions without really pointing toward any documentation from the allies (which i was hoping for)

>uses a Jewish Holocaust Historian to refute a point
>he's saying its Jewish propaganda

Thanks for wasting our time

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where are your links insists on links guy?

it's not 404 I can view it just fine

Guy who settles on 5.1 million work isn't a link its something called a book

goodreads.com/book/show/818991.The_Destruction_of_the_European_Jews

So you're referring to a book published in 1961 when there is more recent research and relevant conclusions. Okay makes sense. The exact numbers are irrelevant to me. This thread is about Holocaust denial.

if we use the numbers (not direct they filled with puff words like 'over') stated in this article

istheholocaustreal.com/where-are-the-bodies.html

50 ovens, a cremation oven @ 1500 degrees F (modern day is between 1400-1625 Deg F) takes in the 21st century 2-2.5 hours to cremate a body. The Germans are efficient folk, let's say they did it in 2 hours.

That means in a 24 hour time period, cranking the ovens 24/7 the Nazis could burn 12 bodies a day, there's 50 of them, so they can burn 50 x 12 bodies a day, or 600. that's 18,000 a month, 216,000 a year, and the final solution documentation starts in 1941, WW2 finished in 1945. 216,000 a year by 4 years is oh.. only 864,000.

But the article says 1.1 million, there's 236,000 bodies they need to hide

the original comment made by me, that you've been replying to starts off as

"Its not that the entire even is fake. But the numbers, the numbers are pumped up."

Are you thick?

and I am neglecting the article states that ovens were built after 1941.So even these numbers are off

what I replied to you was "details about a crime against humanity are hazy imagine that" nothing to do with asserting the stated figures are accurate

It's already been stated funeral pyres and mass graves were used as well

Funeral pyres do not get to 1500 degrees F though, so there would be bone remains. Also do you have documentation of mass graves please

You're not even bothering to look at my links. That's how holocaust denial survives. Ignoring facts

if you think asking for documentation for mass graves is denialism...

when have any denalists you know of asked for links/documents and directed to you a book discussing the whole event?

>but the germans created that word in the late 1800's.

Yeah, good point, and I coulda worded that better - the word wasn't common-currency, it wasn't bandied-about, it wasn't exploited - you didn't hear "holocaust" or "anti-semitism" used to justify jewish/Israeli apartheid. Not, at least among normal people.

Your sound, rational argument has shown me the error of my ways.

bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

again I don't care about the numbers. I care about people denying it happened because that's colossally stupid

also another one of my links explained how they disposed of the remain with documented technology and manpower which included the prisoners themselves. one link even describes a bone grinding machine

they are fanatics that wanna minimize the impact that their horrible, drug-fueled leader did. Or at least try its memory to go to waste.

Sure, maybe it was 4 instead of 6 millions, so what?

States that excavation didn't happen and will never be possible.
Compelling evidence.

it also states that using technology they found evidence. way to ignore facts again

except that jews alone didn't claim there was a holocaust, so did the poles, the russians, the us army, the danes, the italians, the french.

They all believe that there is a secret cabal of Jews that run the entire world.

They believe that the Jews fabricated the entire holocaust and kept pushing the 6 million number in order to victimize themselves and push themselves up the social ladder by using the victimization.

Yes, it's that insane. They legitimately have a mental illness on par with lizard people conspiracy theorists.

Even modern cremation doesn't totally reduce bone to ash. Burning piles of bodies would have left millions of charred skeletons.

>jewish/Israeli apartheid
If there's any points that are worth publically communicating it's ones like these.
I had a conversation with my boomer father and the sort of admiration that generation has for Isreal, which is totally arbitrarily founded, is sickening.
I've heard Christians of his generation talk about the prophetic value of the perpetuation and continuation of the state of Isreal, and the importance of Armageddon.
For those people, it's precious to them that Isreal exists forever, and that the world ends before that ceases to be the case. Boomers can't die ought soon enough.

There's a difference between millions dying from starvation and disease in the prison camps, and a deliberate systematic extermination of an entire race of people.

They aren't much different than flat-earthers. If you give them any evidence refuting their point then they just move the goalpost.

Pictures? Doctored photos.
Historians? Jews or Jew profiteers
Written accounts? Jews wrote it and they can't be trusted

So on so forth.

No point in debating them because they refuse to accept anything contrary to their point.

why would jews lie? maybe to get a country for free?