How do you feel about UBI?

UBI is a necessary stepping stone to getting rid of money entirely. That's the thing people are really terrified of.

Why should i work 40 hours a week then?
What incentivies me to work and contribute to the community when i can live well without working?

With this mass exodus of people quitting their job and going on government pay, who is going to fund the government pay?

That's why they're implementing it now.
They're trying to build a system for the inevitable mass unemployment.

Your country of 99.99% natives with less then 10 million population does not reflect any real world statistics

there will always be money.
there's no way a government can control the needs and wants of every one. and there will always need to be some sort of measurement of labor, a tool, like currency.
it just won't be as important as it is now since needs will pretty much be covered for everyone just because these things will be easier to produce.

Inevitable. There's simply not enough work to go around. The job market is severely inflated as is with most work struggling to fill an archaic 8 hour work day. The nation with the world's highest gdp only has 350 million people and still can't employ everyone.

>im going to quit a full time job makine 25K+12k or more a year so i can make just 12k a year instead
lmao

>not knowing minimum wage is ~12k a year
Why bust my ass for no reason when i get the same amount of money for free?

It’s pretty simple, isn’t it? If you want to bum around on $1000 a month for the rest of your life, then do it, but the job you would be working will go to someone else who wants more than that. Companies will have to make sure jobs are worth working too.

The problem is there isn’t a limiting factor to it. If we implemented UBI the next thing people or opportunistic politicians will say is that it isn’t enough money and just demand for more. And if it doesn’t work people won’t allow it to be taken away. Just look at our welfare state. Once you give the people shit like that it’s impossible to get rid of it if it doesn’t do what it’s supposed to

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you realize making minimum wage, you will also receive UBI? so it would be 24k untaxed effectively
and who busts their ass for minimum wage? lmao
fast food isn't even that demanding.

We already have a UBI. It's called getting a fucking job! You fucking Communists always want something for nothing.

When the infrastructure is fully automated to deliver every human's needs and a majority of people realize that money is no longer necessary, government will soon follow.

All studies so far have shown people who receve basic income do not quit their job. google it

while i agree a lot of people just leech the system, there are plenty of people that lack the things necessary to develop themselves in the way you probably imagine. Everything requires money, and if your only able to meet the requirements of a minimum pay job for employment then you won't make enough to afford better education or to learn a trade skill to get out of the current state your life is going in.

So again, why work when i can get government bux and just stay at home and jack off?

>who bursts theri ass for minimum wage
If you want to keep your job you have to. IF you do bare minimum your ass is fired rather quikly, why do you think minimum wage jobs have such high turn around ?People can be get let go for literally no valid reason "right to work", other then you didnt make your minimum wage job your entire life

And yet no country with more then 10 million population has been in these studies.
You are forgetting niggers cause you live in a white nordic country or in india.
Why would i do all this work for literally no reason when i can get paid free money for just EXISTING

>google it
Not how burden of proof works.
You make a statement, you provide credible sources to back up your claim

A lot of countries already pretty much have this. The problems, as pointed out by others are numerous but among them are:
Inflation. Prices for certain items will rise when dumb shits with no clue about money start spending the free dough
Employment disincentives. Lazy shits will forego jobs altogether then complain that the basic income isn't high enough. They will complain loud and often because they have the time, not having a fucking job
Taxes. When credit starts getting tight upper middle class will be sucked dry to pay for basic income of layabouts and other general parasites including free money loving immigrants and low IQ individuals

There isn’t a large enough sample size to accurately predict what would happen to people in such a large and diverse country as the US. The issue is if you tried it on that large a scale, you would be passing the point of no return. If UBI works than great, but if it doesn’t and turns out to be a pretty shit idea there is no way to remove it. It’s like giving kids crack and then wondering why they scream when you take it away.

you realize a UBI is intended to make sure you meet the most basic needs right, so that you are not plagued with stress over whether there is food on the table or a roof over your head. This way you can actually focus on securing education or finding a job.

i can see no advantage from it

if u are going through hard times and you're trying to get out of it most western countries are already helping you

if you're not serious about getting out of the problem it means

you are a drug addict and would only use money to get more drugs

you are an antifa cunt and you can now buy more stuff to put in your mom's basement

you are think you have a nice project of sorts that you keep procrastinating and the money will only delay your realization of failure

etc. etc.

humans without proper polarization (sticks and carrot) only function worse

you can point out the few exceptions but you know this is true for 99% of people out there

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Because you could make twice that amount?

I understand the reasoning behind it and it makes sense, at least in theory.
In practice, the human condition comes into play and it'll end in disaster.
On the other hand, we're heading towards massive disaster anyway, so what does it matter.

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UBI is the ground work for protecting the future of humankind. All humans have value. Currently there are those who don't believe all humans are valued the same. Flipping bergs is not the same as driving a truck, market analysis or w/e... Thing is, robots are gonna replace all of these things. Start thinking about humans first.

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$1000 dollars a month still isn’t enough to pay for basic needs. People will just keep demanding more free money if you open this Pandora’s box. I only care to help poor/disadvantaged who are willing to help themselves. Not junkies or alcoholics who just want free shit

i mean dude, there will inevitably be people that will take in the bux and put out no effort in life because they are happy with the bare minimum, but the system already has these people, meanwhile hardworking people, like yourself as it seems you are implying, are working your ass off and get little to no support from your government.

And you realize that givign 320 million people 1k a month 3.20 billion per month deficit will cause everything that "keeps food on the table" to raise in price
$3 wonderbread will now be $15
Block of wic cheese goes from $2.49 to $10
So great you got 1k now but it cost 2k to live each month
Then you give them 2k, now it cost 4k to live a month
Are you this fuckign retarded?

But why work when all my needs are paid for just for existing?

If that’s the case we are already doomed regardless of how much free money you get from the government. If robots take over everything then we as a species are obsolete.

The best argument I've heard in favor of UBI is to think of it as being a stock holder in a nation. Income tax, sales tax, signing up for the draft, voting, all these things people do to create a nation should be rewarded when a nation prospers because the nation doesn't exist without people.
The second best argument I've heard for it is to ask yourself: Who do you trust more with $1000, you or the government? If you trust yourself to do more responsible spending then the government, why would you not vote to take $1000 out of their hands?
But both of those points aren't enough to convince me. Why? Niggers and spics. If the United States was even 90% white, I'd be all for it. But putting that much money into non-white hands will turn out exactly the same as every other time we've put large sums of money into the non-white population.
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UBI is a stepping stone, not an end goal

That’s exactly why it should be opposed. It can’t be stopped once it has started

Exactly, which is why all the middle/upper middle class blue collar workers will see that even more people are taking advantage of hte system with ubi PLUS their welfre(niggers and rednecks) why would i keep busting my ass to pay in to this system EVEN MORE THEN I DO NOW. When i can just fucking stop working?

Yang is pushing it with a 20% value added tax on consumer goods. Which math says you won't notice a 20% tax increase if you are receiving the 1k 12x/yr UBI until you spend more than 60,000 on consumer goods in a year. At that point you actually feel the extra 20% fully. But it's on consumer goods only. Not on things like mortgage or rent. Which will help a shit ton of people. He'll I'd gladly pay 20% more for a phone or car if I get $1000/month to pay for it and maybe insurance as well. Huge boost to the auto industry as well. And people can start to afford things like phones and other nice consumer goods without going hungry or falling behind on rent.

If they are responsible with it.

Jordan Peterson even said on Joe Rogan podcast with Bret Weinstein that it's a potential solution to a very real problem of how if you have nothing, it's hard to get anything. Money breeds more money, not just in interest but in unconventional investments in yourself. Having money to buy decent not torn clothes could help you land a decent job that, it supplemented by 12 or 24k if married, doesn't have to be super high paying or could help buy equipment to help start your own business. And because you can leave at anytime and not have to worry about not being able to pay basic bills and maybe losing your home, you can work more stress-free and be more mobile in the work force.
But the main argument again is, giving people money doesn't make them responsible with it. And Peterson's main problem is that the struggle to survive gives people a purpose to function. If they lose the need to work hard, or even at all, they may become self destructive in their boredom of an easy life with no purpose. See the soaring drug problem. He says that it's about 5% of the people who actually currently exist this way and it would only get worse, I argue it's up to the rest of us to be socially and societally responsible for helping these otherwise self destructive people

But I kno 24k would help me

Once you pay for rent, car, medical, food, etc for the month you won't have much in way of games, books, movies, treating yourself, etc. The idea of UBI is that we end all other forms of social welfare like universal healthcare, disability, etc.

Then whats your magical end goal?
A full marx society?
Socialism dosent work

how do you sift between the circumstances man, drugs are hella cheap to get you hooked, and the poor/disadvantaged are often people who fall on these vices in order to try and "feel" better. do we say all the people who have become hooked on drugs and alcohol are no longer worth trying to help, that they are past the point of saving, and merely focus on the "clean" poor/disadvantage?

Niggers find a way to live off of ebt and food stamps while still having enough money to smoke week everyday

>You make a statement, you provide credible sources to back up your claim
>With this mass exodus of people quitting their job and going on government pay, who is going to fund the government pay?
lol

corporations can fuck off as well. no fucking handouts at gun point. sink or fuckin swim, faggot

Democratics would never support removing those social welfare programs. Even if we implemented UBI. You cannot remove the special treatment giving to communities without a serious uproar

Good for them? If they want to have a shitty car, a shitty house, eat shitty food, and smoke weed all day let them. Like you said they already do that. But if I got an extra thousand bucks a month I sure as hell wouldn't be where I am now. I'd go back to school because now I don't have to worry about not only paying for school but paying to live.

do you have no dreams or aspiration that require financial backing in order to achieve, you never wanna travel or own your own house?
I think perhaps an issue this whole conversation is having is what exactly is a Basic need, what would/should a ubi cover?
people seem to assume its meant to give you all the comforts of life, but its not, its ment to give you a secure foundation to stand on, you are not going to own a nice car, the latest gaming tech, top of the apple products and get to go on vacation every year.

I never said that we should just forget about people struggling with addiction. There is a difference between those who will actively try to get off those addictions and those who have no intention to get clean. We already have governmental systems people can use to try and get clean. Instead of UBI how about we send more money to treatment facilities for those who want actually turn their lives around

That stress is 99% of the reason most people have a job.

want and can are very different things, and if once these people are clean they go back out into a world where they can even get a roof over there head or food in there stomachs, what do you think is gonna happen, they are gonna fall back on old habits because atleast while they were high, things didn't seem so bad
iI also very much doubt UBI could ever work, but i still think its a good thing to think about, because we can possibly make changes to the current systems in place to have them work better.

>20%
He wants a 1 to 2% VAT. IDK where the fuck you got 20%.

Yes, but if $15 an hour at 40 hours a week isn't enough money to get by on, and you can't afford to save up to go to college or university, eventually you are gonna reach a tipping point because you are always behind, you have no future prospects and there eventually seems like no reason to even try to play the game

If the whole planet was on board and we as a species started thinking more about our collective future rather than our individual ones we could focus the planets output into something that really matters, like expansion into space. Think of all the people in retail, cashiers, waiters. Now take all those millions of people and provide for them to get a formal education to help the planet run more automated, giving more jobs to robots so that more people are able to help with the R&D of space colonization.

Obviously in our current situation humans would never work together in this way. Maybe get rid of borders, culture and language and wait a generation or two. But there’s always the assholes who hate assimilation and want anarchy. I also propose that a piece of the world be delegated to pure lawlessness so that people can go vent if they really want to. All crime including rape and murder are legal, but just in that area.

Yeah I know I’m smoking crack, just a dream of a better world.

Also, negative income tax is a million times better than UBI. I have no idea why anyone is even discussing UBI when somebody already thought up NIT.

Indeed we should have a more efficient means people can use to help people rise out of bad circumstances, but no matter how much money you through at something it doesn’t guarantee that it will work or even improve things. Getting off drugs or alcohol can significantly increase your ability to hold a job and save money so you can get out of that life. It’s not easy, but it never has been easy for people to work their way up the tax bracket. You have the right to pursue happiness, but it doesn’t guarantee it. That’s a good we can do as a society. Try and help the people who are willing to help themselves, the rest of them have made their choice and must live with the consequences. It is possible to rise up in your environment, but the best guarantee to get out of it is to have a hard work ethic and stay positive. Receiving money for doing nothing seems counterintuitive

no dude you’re a jew

That goes completely against human nature. Some of our greatest achievements and worst acts of humanity are because of tribalism. The whole world identifying as a collective would remove tribalism. In some aspects that could be viewed as a positive, but it could also squash our individual identities which is vital for humans to try and achieve things

true that man, i think a more effective method of "free" money anyway would be through cover cost of post-secondary education based on things like academic performance. we should at least help our students not come out of university with a lifetime worth of debt to pay off.

By team red im guessing you mean the right
That just means you should support it more
UBI is, in general, part of human centered capitalism. The market helps the people, now the people can better help the market. If people get that extra 12k a year they could afford to go to college, which means they're able to help grow the market even more. Its a self repeating cycle in which the working class and the market benifits. Dont let millenials and their faux "muh capitalism" fool you into thinking thats team red, zoomers are closer to a true team red than anyone has been since the 50s.

fucking, this.
I grew up in poverty. had I the resources to succeed in my field (IT, CCNA, etc.), I would never even consider wanting 'free' anything...
>having abusive negligent alcoholic parents didn't help much either
>I wish I was aborted

>tax structure that benefits the poor
>jewry
No user, you are the Jew.

I have a cousin that's the same age. Unemployed more than working, believes socialism is great. Lazy and when he does work he ends up quitting because he thinks 30 hours a week is too many hours. Collects financial assistance and food stamps.
Another guy i know (friend of a friend) got full college ride ( via government aid) to become a nurse. Graduated and then realized that it would increase his income and mess with his rent controlled apartment. Decides to stay at Starbucks.

This is what happens when you reward people for being lazy. The "Safety Net" becomes a Hammock.

It's inevitable. Automation isn't slowing down. There are 3D printers scaled to print houses for real cheap, wait until self driving cars start taking over the work/driving force, AI is steadily moving into customer service. 3D printing in general is a game changer too.

fucking this.
my parents were LEGAL immigrants from communist Europe in the late 60's. they came here literally with clothes on their backs and a couple rug rats. they learned the language and made something of themselves. besides the sponsorship to get them here they never asked for any handout. this new generation of gib me dats is sickening. if you want something fucking work for it.

Yeah I agree with you. The idea to get rid of what you identify as ‘your past’ is so far out I don’t think it’ll be achievable until there is a significant event (societal collapse, world war, loss of a major resource, etc) to wake people up and realize that it’s time to abandon old ways of thinking. The human race is developing exponentially, not even in population but technology, culture and more. There were 3.5 billion people alive in 1970, now there are 7.7 just look at the development of cell phones and computers. We can’t depend on the old ways of thinking to carry us into this new world

that is tough, i was recently a highschool drop out, but now i have my 12 and am planning to go community college, but i live at home with my parents who don't make much themselves, and if i get a job over the summer, it could fuck up the current rent they are paying, but i also need to work to make sure i can afford the tuition cost, so its stressful

You haven't really got a clue what :
> "money" ;
actually is, have you ?

Let me red pill you
..... it is the reward you deserve for the ACTUAL WORK you do and the VALUABLE THINGS that are the fruits of your endeavours.

If you grow enough foo0d for other people, or make things that other people need and want, you get MONEY as a token of what YOU DESERVE in exchange for the things you have provided for others.

You provide them with food they give you "money" to exchange for the nice things that you want in exchange for the thing sthat you created for them.

IT IS NOT:
just something that you and everybody else might like to think that they deserve for doing FUCK ALL for anyone else.

> TL DR : you fucking useless wanker.

I’m more sympathetic to that cause than UBI. If you’re making good grades and going into a profession that actually provides a mutual good for society such as being a doctor, lawyer, engineer, or even trade school stuff like wielding or wood working then I’d be okay with lightening their educational finances. If you’re going to school for a decree in the liberal arts or gender studies or abstract degrees that don’t really provide a tangible good then I don’t care if they have to pay that off for a long time in a job that doesn’t pay well because there isn’t a strong enough need for it in society.

If you measured the reward for your work as intrinsic to yourself (eg ‘I do this cause it makes me happy’) and monetary value is taken out of society, what do you think people would do?

fair enough, i just know that free education is often something thrown around in the same mix as UBI. but it often seems that these people don't consider what that would do to the education system. the amount of over crowding that would happen by people that "just wanna try out" a course would heavily impact people that actually want that education and the careers it offers. this way would reward students that actually put in the time and effort to succeed and keep the bars in place to avoid over crowding

That could very well be true, but it would take a catastrophic event such as a world war or natural even that wild out a significant portion of human life. Even that though isn’t a guarantee that humans would change their way of thinking. The way we think is due to millions of years of evolution, it is just as likely that we are completely incapable of such a change. The only real solution in my opinion is to leave earth. We weren’t meant to live on this planet forever. If there were multiple human settlements on numerous planets than we could keep our sense of individual/cultural identities and still achieve more than we could on earth.

Are you really stupid, or really, really stupid?

do people see what they do with intrinsic value though? i feel like most people go to school to get a degree in a desirable field so that they can have job security and make good MONEY in order to have a somewhat better left.

I could get on board with something like that

>Corporations receive welfare on an unimaginable scale
Only if you can't imagine numbers. Which from the rest of your post, seems likely.

If shit's free, people waste it.
Fuck it, it's a rental.
If shit costs money, people all of a sudden care.

I think trying to colonize space while Earth is not under one world government is a bad idea. It’s a setup for failure if it’s individual countries

You’re not getting what I’m saying, I agree that’s how the world is today but what if money wasn’t an issue? Like if food, housing, medical care other basic necessities are provided for what would people do? Most people would probably sit on they’re asses and do nothing, but give that a few years while at the same time develop a program for people to world towards an education.... I’m just gonna stop talking cause nobody is listening to my fever dream hahaha

If that’s true then it’s a catch 22 situation. Humanity may not accept a world government and if could toss us into an apocalyptic war, also if we use individual countries to try and colonize space it could epically fail and toss us into an equally bad situation. I’m not sure a single governmental body could rule over the entire planet, I feel it’s just as risky as trying to colonize other planets as different countries

i suppose i should have specified there would still be school costs, but you are compensated by the government based on your effort and results. It wouldn't be a pass or fail system because then you may get some students that put in the most minimal effort in there education

>in there education
their

lmao this is retard and will litterly never happen. Communism has never worked and never will. People are greedy. Wven if theres no money theyll horde resources. Even if theres no money youll still need goverment. A lack of goverment leads to small warlord communities. History repeats itself.

hot damn man, you sure showed me, my whole idea was completely destroyed with this single word

litterly if you have low income you can get free or low cost healthcare, food stamps, free food bank food, soup kitchens, there was free internet for high school kids, free phones, grants for education. All of that has lead to the same leaches being leaches

public school education?

You’re right about the catch 22, that’s why I mentioned there needs to be an event that kills at least, I dunno like 20% of the worlds population to really shake people up. There would need to be a movement for a specific government that gains a lot of traction in a short time in the direct aftermath of the event. It would need to be accepted by all countries, if it’s not, then any opposing countries will be glassed into submission. Abolish culture, borders, individual governments, and write in the history books that this is the moment that humans finally took the next step forward. I’m not sure how exactly the governing would work, but essentially a representative democracy

we will always have leeches man, i also agreed that UBI likely will never work as people envision it

I can't be bothered to answer your gibberish.

Put it this way:
(a) Be self sufficient: grow and make everything that you need and expect NOTHING from anyone else - that is fair on you and everybody else; now be more efficient:
(b) work harder and better so as to make everything that you need for yourself and family and extra to supply to others who haven't got your skills.

..... you can do it for nothing if you want (out of the goodness of your heart), or you can barter your produce in exchange for other nice things that you can't make for yourself:
it can be a straight "barter exchange" for goods or a monetary token to the value of the goods that you are passing on to others. Money is simply that token, that you can in turn exchange for goods that you need in the future, e.g. food you can't grow yourself, or things that you haven't got the skills to make - maybe like jewellery or hi-fi-equipment, or medical treatment.

If you do fuck all for anyone else, you deserve fuck all from them, unless they feel charitable pity for your being a totally useless piece of shit, with abilities below that of a slug (that manages to live by its own skills) or a tapeworm that lives as a parasite on the resources of other creatures.

You realize you're arguing for universal totalitarianism

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There can be better than UBI. UBI doesn't even see the means of production being seized by the people.

>Every adult gets $1k a month
>Companies start downsizing workforce
>Landlords know everyone is getting UBI
>Increases rent accordingly
>Now most people are jobless with money that can't pay for rent

>free money

yeah i totally switched it from post-secondary education into being regular public education, because that would make sense right?
I am talking about assisting people going to College/University who are putting in the time and effort by helping to wave some of the student debt based on their efforts in there course so that they don't have a huge amount of debt weighing them down for the next decade of their life.

It's a total fantasy. I don't believe in a secret illuminati or anything, but when the rich don't need the poor anymore, economics will naturally eliminate the poor. Machines will tend to all human needs. When the rebellion of the poor overwhelms the government, the private sector will employ their own police force, comprised increasingly of machines. Food won't be affordable and there won't be jobs, and if you start a violent riot, robots will come kill you.

Well, that's not true.
Landlords would only raise rent to about 60% of the UBI, and only go low up from there.
You'd still have $400/mo for groceries and car expenses

> No taxation without representation
> Give 1000 to everyone, they aren't being taxed, so...
You're surrendering your right to vote, yes?

You're talking about a nanny state bureaucracy based on micromanaging people's intent

>How do you feel about UBI?
Is this in addition to free healthcare, free college, affordable housing, a livable wage? If not, $1000 a month ain't going to to shit if you get cancer.
Bernie's plan is better

No. How about we start giving pokes who get welfare mandatory birth control so they stop having kids they can’t afford first? That would help a lot to this “generational poverty” blacks always complain about but don’t seem themselves as the problem. And give middle class and above tax incentives to have kids. Making less kids in poverty and more in affluence would help test scores and education systems and social problems all at once!
People don’t need free money, people need to stop having babies they can’t afford!

1k a month isnt 24k a year. its 12k. If you think you cant buy a decent shirt at walmart/target/HM/goodwill for less than $20 that will last you years...holy fuck your retarded. Jordan is a con artist. Hes a salesmen. He has no valid points. Hes just saying what dumb people want to hear so theyll go buy whatever dumb shit motivational book hes selling

realistically if people are truly planning on living off the 1k a month, they can get rid of the car

See this is the problem with this idea, people are eager to jump on it saying one world government is illegal. Just because I said the opposition needs to be killed, now my idea is totalitarianism? I specifically stated at the end that I believe certain individuals, representing a certain amount of the population should meet with those other individuals who are also representing a portion of the population to run the show.

There is a significant chance that the only group that would accept this new world order are those who created it and their immediate subjects. Conquering the world in that fashion could end in a nuclear holocaust and whoever was left standing would be pushed back so hard that they wouldn’t be anywhere near capable of colonizing other planets. It would likely just push humanity back a couple thousand years in terms of populations and collective capability

no, im talking about rewarding people for hard work or are you one of those guys that was too smart for university education so you didn't end up wracking up a ton of debt trying to do the thing society constantly says will lead to a better life?

You seem to forget that the cost of everything would go up to cover the increased cost of taxes all businesses as people would be responsible for...

Get a fucking job and work for a living you lazy piece of shit

>wracking up
Your lack of an education is showing again, Miss Malapropanon.

well its good to see your only rebuttal is to mock grammar

You’re right. I haven’t worked out the kinks yet, but I am aware that taking things by brute force will end badly. Ffs it’s the exact type of thinking that I’m saying should end and I’m wholeheartedly endorsing it. Do you have any ideas how one is supposed to come into power and gain the support of everyone without murder?

It's not grammar,it's a malapropism. Which you'd know, if you caught the literary reference.

There aren't enough jobs for all the workers. That's part of why they've been packing our prisons with non-violent drug offenders.

How do you justify holding people's needs hostage when there isn't enough work left to do?

Sounds like you just hit on the perfect solution. Want a UBI? Off to prison!

I make 80,000 a year and I'd take that 12k.

80,000 pesos? That would triple your income.

For those of us that already have a lot of money, the thought of paying for you losers to continue being a waste of space is unacceptable. Get out and earn it like the rest of us please.

Also kys

Nah man dollars. People that wont take an extra 12k are delusional and think they are going to be millionaires dome day.

Why the fuck do I bust my ass full time and only make enough to pay for half my living expenses

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It shows the left’s glaring lack of understanding of economics. You can tax everyone to supply this but tax rates will be through the roof. You can tax the rich but then what is their incentive to stay here. Goods are going to increase in price. Basically things are gonna get shittier for everyone just because some entitled poor people want free money from de gubments which they already get anyway.

Sorry that I haven't heard of malapropism before?
I suppose most people don't go out of their way to pick apart every word i type on Yea Forums though.
But i am glad i could afford you an enjoyable moment in your day.

The short answer is there simply isn’t a way to come into power and be completely unopposed. In representative governments you can rise to power without muring anyone via the voting process, but the point of those governments is to give a voice to as many constituents as is rational to the system. If you aren’t operating in that system then murdering your opponents is the only way to gain total control, simple as that.

True. It's pathetic how much public money goes to corporations besidse all the tax breaks.

You’re an idiot. Landlords will set whatever going rate they can and it will be far more than $600. I live in one of the hotter housing markets neither on the east and west coast nor one of the truly major metropolitan cities. Rent here pretty much starts at $800 and goes up, unless you want to live in some bedbug and meth ridden dump. Not uncommon to see $1200+ for an apartment that would cost half that anywhere else.

Greetings, Seattlefag.