Gud: creates the devil, sin, temptation, and designs humans to be imperfect
Also Gud: you have a few decades on Earth to get everything right, based on a book written and translated by other people, or you're going to be in hell for an eternity.
Btw he already knew if you were going to fail before he created man
seems legit.
Well yeah God is the biggest fucking faggot in the omniverse
You clearly have no idea what your talking about. Have fun in hell user
ok what was the first thing I got wrong and why
well I mean God didnt make sin
then who did
God said none of that.
You will not be Judged based on whatever BS a man in a funny hats says.
You will be Judged by your own heart and by your own measure.
What you expect of others is what is expected of you.
Treat all men as brothers. Do unto them as you would have them do unto you.
Right, God didn't say what I posted, they are my own conclusions. But are they wrong?
Yes they are wrong.
Sin is doing what you know is wrong.
God did not create it.
Certainly there are things that can be blamed on God. Sin is not one of them.
and god created what was right and wrong, and gave humans the ability to be tempted
No prior to Eden right and wrong were undefined.
"The tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil?"
If only people really understood what happened there. Hint: they did not eat any actual fruit.
If god is all knowing, he knew prior to the original sin that Eve's actions could create it, and that it would occur. So even if he didn't "create" it directly he know that it would would rise out of his creation
The original sin occurred even before she was born.
We as Angels of God existed before we were born in the flesh.
But we are made oblivious to that existence.
Eating an apple was not the original sin.
Read the punishments.
They fit the actual crimes.
With free will and all of creation being free agents, all things become possible. Because we have the ability to make decisions, evil is possible. The difference between atheism and religion (I subscribe to Christianity) is that with religion, good and evil have a determined definition. They are defined by God. With atheism, it is left up to you to decide what you personally believe to be right and wrong. Of course, that's where an atheists own hypocrisy will be brought to light. You see, an atheist cannot (especially in good conscience) tell another atheist (or really any person at all) that what they believe or their opinion on a matter is wrong. Because wrong, as well as right, are defined by you, the individual. If I punched your baby in the face, screwed your wife and then had the audacity to drink a beer out of your fridge after the fact, who are YOU to tell me it's wrong? In suggesting that you CAN tell me what is right and wrong, you are in turn suggesting that your opinion and your view are superior to mine. You are inadvertently claiming a God-status over me. And you are not my god. You are a self admitted animal descended from shit-flinging monkeys. You are nobody.
god is not all knowing he gave up that power when he invented free will
Actually the humans that took our free will are but whatever
God said this? Can u prove it? And what about what other God's say?
What the fuck are u even talking about?
Even if we have free will, gud knew what decisions we would make and why would go against the "evidence" for objective morality, with the ability to reason he gave us. So it's punishing his creation for being imperfect, which he designed to be imperfect. And he knew not all, or even most people will be saved. Only God's elect
Just because you right laws down in a book, even if most people agree with it, doesn't make it objective
Luke 6:31
Matthew 7:1
My comment and a quote that emphasizes Luke 6:31
Atheists are always throwing their faults and blame onto others and never seem to be able to take responsibility. If their life is shit, and God exists, He should make their life lavish and comfy. Even though they do NOTHING for Him in return. If God really did give us life and put all of creation before us, do you know how big of a selfish prick it makes us to give Him nothing in return? We don't pray, we don't follow the rules (and we don't care that we don't follow them), all sorts of crap. It's selfish. So why on Earth should God do anything for people that are stubborn, selfish, and careless? Get real. My point in all of this is that people have a really bent view of reality.
FUCK ALL OF THE IMAGINARY GODS.
they don't exist, sorry.
If you belive, you're just stupid
It seems exactly like the kind of stupid shit people would make up.
I'm sick of people believing in retarded fairy tales. Even smart people fall for this ridiculous tripe.
ok what was the original sin? I don't this is important to my agrument, just wondering since I've always heard eating the forbidden fruit was the original sin. Are you talking about a non-literal interpretation?
>don't think this is
I meant
> my personal beliefs are different to yours, therefore you must be stupid
do you think it's literal?
no I think it's made up. There are lot's who think it's literal, most who think it's a metaphor but still say "eating the forbidden fruit" because that's what scripture says, but I'm sure there's many schools of thought on what it means but that's all subjective and doesn't change that sin was created nonetheless because of the decisions of God's creation, and the circumstances that god created for the sin to originate. Which is pretty much him creating it himself, since he stacked the dominos in place and they fell
There was a rebellion in Heaven.
Lead by Lucifer.
A third of the Angels followed him.
Another third could not or would not choose a side. The final third although loyal to God arrogantly demanded that the other two be destroyed. War broke out. God forced all of us you included to be born in to the flesh. To be born to live to die. In the hope we would gain humility and mercy. He does not want to lose anymore souls to that war. One is already far too many. We are here in Gaeol a jail or School to teach us. Our sin was to have harmed one another and to have accused one another before we were ever born.
>Another third could not or would not choose a side. The final third although loyal to God arrogantly demanded that the other two be destroyed.
source?
YOU CAN'T PROVE YOUR POINT AND I CAN'T PROVE MINE SO I'M OBVIOUSLY RIGHT!!!!! REEEEEE
>checkmate stupid theist
That is a lot of stuff to read.
Here is a link.
bibletools.org
nice shitpost, christcuck
legit
Hey, you're really not that good. Go preach at a bus stop, faggot.
Heaven is a place of absolute perfection and happiness so we're told. How could the thought of a rebellion even occur? Why would the angels even join the rebellion if heaven is a place of utter contentment? Never should've happened but you're saying it did.
consider an example of factual, proven human nature: how many people who are in power today want more power? how many of those people believe or think they are untouchable?
I provided a link your answer is there.
I have not claimed I am good;
Nor would I.
I am glad to debate what the Bible actually says though. I did not make this thread I simply tried to answer a question.
based
This does not even pertain to my argument.
KYS..
of course it does, the angels had free will, they had power, they were set over and had dominion of earth, but they wanted more, what heaven looks like bears no relevance. you think the people in power dropping bombs on others care about the scenery?
KYS..again..KYS..
Are you dead yet..
no give me more! xD
KYS delusional faggot
Abraham did not kill his Son (Singular).
Yates did.
But he was prepared to and would most certainly have mentally scarred his son.
The angels had free will? Why would they need free will in a place of perfection? Free will is an earthly tool to help attain perfection by making correct choices. Free will would be totally unnecessary in heaven because there is nothing higher than perfection which is what heaven supposedly is all about. Negative thought would be impossible in such a place. That's it for me, I'm tired of these ridiculous captchas.
KYS delusional religious fucking scum
That doesn't prove god said it. Keep thumping that bible tho
>My point in all of this is that people have a really bent view of reality
Not you tho. Ur good.
Lmao
What are we progressing to?
Kekinshtein
Sorry I assumed I was being asked about what the Bible claims not to prove Gods existence.
Had I understood that you wanted proof rather then examples of the teaching? I would have been glad to explain that: proof must be sought by each of us. No one can give it to you.
Looks like others are starting to catch on too
>Atheists are always throwing their faults and blame onto others and never seem to be able to take responsibility.
no they don't it's religious fucking scum like you who have zero proof for your religious fucking bullshit so you try and deflect it to atheists..as an atheist i have nothing to prove and couldn't give a fuck about what you think you sad cunt
Nope. Alcoholic. Lied more times than I could ever dream to count. Had butt sex with my ex girlfriend (which is a no no in the Bible). Had sex with her when she was on her period too. (Also a Biblical no no) I've done several drugs. I have a variety of sexual fetishes that are all no nos. (Some you go to jail for.) I often say of myself that "I'm an evil fucking guy and an ugly soul." I am anything but perfect. And God is the only reason I want to change and be a different and better man. I've got a vision of the man that I want to be. But currently, I am more than a far cry from being him.
Ain't no god coming to rescue you, moron. Pick yourself up, you weak pos.
You are both right and wrong.
Sadly when you finally get proof you will bow to a liar. My condolences that you have given up on seeking truth and instead to kick your brothers in frustration.
If I didn't believe in God, I'd not only not feel bad for the things I do, but I would probably and perhaps even likely kill people. Make the world my oyster. I have the views that I do and they make me who I am. If I did not have those views, I would be VERY different. I've always had an interest in serial killers and torture and just bad things. Even the idea of cannibalism gives me a rush. I think it's better for the world around me that I believe in God. You're safer that way.
I like the part about the paper. Kill trees so I can smoke weeds! Silly silly silly all of you believers!
Not him, but I agree for the same reasons.
You are on a path to truth and humility.
I pray God opens your eyes.
Fuck you, you sanctimonious loser. Man created god. This elegantly explains why nothing even remotely supernatural ever occurs. Haven't you noticed your god doesn't do shit?
>You're safer that way
LOL watch out guys! get the fuck outta here kid
You don't know me buddy. And you are safer. This is a fact. Not an edgy baiting "larp"
Ask god for the courage to kill yourself. That's the best solution, then everyone is safe.
Nothing super natural has happened in 2000 years.
Because Christ died and was resurrected.
He took back control of Heaven.
But the last soul that has never been human (Satan) is soon to be cast down among us. (I mean no one knows when but it is going to eventually happen.) Sanctimonious? I am no better then anyone else. I just try to explain what the Bible says verses the lied of all the folks in funny hats.
Satan's coming soon, Jesus' coming soon. They're always coming soon but they never quite get here. Odd that.
You're funny user. I love how everyone calls me edgy, but it's faggots like you that come onto an image board to tell people to kill themselves. Talk about not being self aware.
You obviously have no self awareness to speak of retard
Well Israel had to be refounded first.
It did not exist for almost 2000 years.
But either 1948 or 1967 started the countdown timer. So you will be happy to know Armageddon can start at any moment. Most predictions never took that in to account. The last Generation is now.
They often call Armageddon the final Trump.
Wouldn't that be ironic?
PS Trump is not and can not be the Anti-Christ he is a human.
Edgy, faggot AND touchy? Don't be so sensitive user. Really. I get it. You don't believe in God and you want strangers to kill themselves.
sure kid
You told us you're a borderline sociopath with very dangerous urges to harm people even going as far as considering cannibalism. I would rather you killed yourself than some innocent who you come in contact with. It's really that simple.
what you say kinda makes sense to me, but then the fail would be on the theory per se. An aitheist I would claim that the bible is a human creation and eventually somebody that lived a long time ago will tell you what is good or bad thorugh the bible. Instead of an aetheist imposing his views on you to judge (as you wrote about), it is someone who lived a long time ago, and/or part of each one of the thousands of translations and interpretations made along the years by people. The only way that this theory can work is if the bible was directly written from god and leaving no room for interpretation from other humen. Again the fail is in the theory, we cannot prove that god directly gave the words for the bible, but some evidence suggests that each person who ever translated the bible gave it a different meaning and bias, and it's common sense that we understand the writing through other's interpretations (i.e., or familly, priets, etc).
>borderline sociopath
So he is like the vast majority of humans?
Our fiction proves this.
Yea Forums proves this.
Grow up.
Humans are evil by nature.
Well, I think you're crackers, but who among us isn't by varying degrees? Enjoy your delusions I reckon.
> I think you're crackers
Well then both you and I are in good company.
The vast majority of humans are borderline sociopaths? You pulled that out of your ass, didn't you?
Yeah don't crack your head about it don't expect some loser on his moms basement to understand god's will
Wow are you a scientist or something your argument is mindblowing
There is only one god
No I found it in the Bible.
The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, [I] try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.
Jeremiah 17
I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth.
Genesis 8:21