Can someone explain the big bang to me...

Out of curiosity have you ever asked any of your theist friends why their deities created the universe or is your curiosity only limited to scientific principles?

Sure.

Let's first start with your concept of "have nothing and then have something". It's not like that.

The Big Bang theory says that there was always "something", but condensed into a near-unimaginable point. For some reason, that point became unstable and it was all set loose in a "Big Bang".

When that explosion happened, the scale was tremendous. The heat and intensity was tremendous. It was so big, we're still trying to understand just how big. So how do we begin to understand?

After we found out about light, its speed, and how it works (we still haven't learned it all), we started spotting things out in the universe. Wouldn't you know, a measurement of light points to a pattern in the universe that measures travelled light to a generalized source, roughly 14.5 billion light-years away - meaning the Big Bang must've happened then.

But all these questions are about AFTER the Big Bang, because science is factual and corroborated. Since scientists can't ask why the Big Bang happened, they choose to replicate the experiment by smashing atoms in the Large Hadron Collider. They do this to obtain enough knowledge to one day be in the position to start asking why it all happened.

As of know, we don't even have the knowledge to ask the appropriate question about the origin of the Big Bang :) hope that helps.

It didn't come from nothing, it came from a singularity that we don't know a lot about yet. The big band doesn't describe the literal beginning of the universe, it describes the rapid expansion and cooling, and the formation of subatomic particles.

because there is evidence the Big Bang is in fact true
what caused it, we don't know.
Two different things

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Sure I have, and they say because it was because they wanted followers to worship them

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Kek

Why would a perfect being need worship or worshippers?

Thanks for the answer user

shit gets lonely man

If the big bang was real, then who/what created the single point that exploded in the beginning? If God was real, then what created him? These questions will never be answered because you can go infinity down the rabbit hole

I imagine it get boring being alone for all eternity

At the end of the day it's just which flavor of crazy do you prefer

Narcissism
You realize most theists believe the big bang too right

>not one of my atheist friends
So you believe that god made us?

>I mean it doesn't make sense to me to have nothing and then something for no reason

No, everything was in a single point and it exploded as it's an unstable state, there's the same amount of energy now in the universe than at the singularity that exploded.

We don't know yet if it's a natural reoccurring state and everything will collapse and explode again in the future, yes I know that know everything is accelerating but we don't know why or even know the topology of the universe, maybe everything is accelerating because the universe is a torus and we're heading towards a big crunch.

Big bang is a solid theory and no experiment or observations disproved it yet

it wasnt nothing. Big Bang explains how universe changed over time, not rly how it started.

Not necessarily true. We just don't have the science to figure it out yet. In the future, if we don't exterminate ourselves, we may very well know the answer.

because they’re fucktards who just want to be against mainstream beliefs. if you can’t explain your position on something, then you have no reason to claim to know it. (the subject)

Yeah I do but I'm starting to question if one exists or not

The only true reasoning about existence is agnostic atheism. Don't believe in any god until there's undeniable proof that one exists

I have never heard any scientist claim there was "nothing". All energy and matter was condensed into a very dense point. That isn't the same as "nothing"

The Science channel says otherwise.

There is a lot of evidence to support big bang theory.
>background microwave radiation is decaying at a rate that suggests a massive spike billions of years ago
>using the doppler shift effect the color of galaxies can be observed. The relative speed can be measured. All known galaxies seem to be moving away from a central point in the universe
>their velocities would make them converge on the central point at approximately the same time the microwave spike is estimated to have occurred

look user even on the simple logic, who made a god, with created the universe is 2 events, and when it comes to the "big bang", this "nothing" is simplification

Stop consuming dumbed down normie bullshit where a journalist with a bachelors in creative writing paraphrases neil degrasse tyson who himself was dumbing down what a real scientist said.
Of course normie media that has multiple stages of being dumbed down and paraphrased says something stupid. Shit tier journalists and show producers do not =scientific community.

What made this super condensed ball of universe, it had to come from somewhere

We don't know that it had to come from somewhere

it's a bang that was big
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I don't know honestly both religion and atheism are about as crazy as each other

it's called gravity and mass

Religion is a belief. Atheism isn't. There is literally no proof god exists, much less Yahweh.

who create god ?

Where did the mass come from? If there is an answer, then something had to create the thing creating mass. And something had to create the thing creating the thing thats creating mass.

There will never be complete answer to who created/started the universe.

Here's some issues.. the amount of background radiation predicted was 100x what we find in reality. And, second we know from our own sun that redshifting doesnt necessarily infer motion, basically sunspots have a minor redshift effect and no one knows why. It's called Barnards effect.

Again, you don't even know that the universe had a beginning. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But I think science will answer that question one day.

space is not vaccum ther always been particles they just acumulated i one spot

But where did the particles come from?

Basically, it works like this.

The universe is expanding, outwards, like a balloon being inflated. We know the physical size of the universe.

So, we can calculate, based on where everything is, and the direction it's all moving, that at one point in time, the entire observable universe was at a single point.

When we take known physics and apply them to the universe at this point and shortly thereafter, time breaks down, and we have intense heat and a rapid expansion. Intense heat and rapid expansion is an explosion.

and that's pretty much the entire big bang.

That's it.

Then, there's lots of theories about what the universe is and blah blah blah, but the only thing that matters is:

The observable universe exploded from a single point 13.772 billion years ago, is 93.016 billion light years wide and still expanding to this day.

That's it.

i don't know but who made a God

One star shifting slightly red with sunspots is entirely different than literally billions of stars of an entire galaxy shifting together.

you cant understand it while being human

Quantumn mechanics are weird, man. It makes perfects sense due to quantumn mechanics, which we can prove, but it really fucks with your perception of reality.

Proof: when beta decay happens, energy is made out of appearently nothing, when a z boson is made into the much more charged w boson. It can be measured, but it makes zero sense.

This
We are 1 or 2% different genetically from a chimpanzee. We are just clever apes. Just because a dog can't comprehend calculus doesn't mean calculus isn't real. Just like a dog will never figure out calculus, human will probably never be able to completely wrap their mind around physics. Humans probably are not capable of comprehending how the universe operates at all levels.

not YET

Just an excuse for sciencefags to explain the beginning of time. Truly I think the life of the universe is infinite (no beginning, no end) and everything just depends on the forces of gravity

Its not nothing. The theory more or less is

What was the beginning?
>All energy/matter in all of existence is collapsed to a single point under its own inescapable gravity and lack of any outside of influence/existence
What caused it to blow up?
>Since all information and non-information existed in this single point, It did not explode. And rather it expanded to form a universe across multiple points in a three dimensional plane.
Well what caused that?
>Great question. If you get it right god comes down and gives you a pat on the back and a gift basket.

I don't know. If you're implying that im a religionfag I don't believe in any God, but if you gave me sufficient evidence one existed I would reconsider

What was that unimaginable something sitting in? That’s always my question. If the Big Bang is supposed to have created the universe, but the bang cane from a “thing”, what was that thing existing in if the universe wasn’t in place?

i just hate question like endless "why"

Same as the universe expanding. What’s it expanding into? What space?

yet you've conducted no experiments and have no data to back up your hypothesis. for you to criticize the science community for "making up" the big bang as "an excuse to explain the beginning of time" is truly laughable, as you're doing exactly that.

Check this book anons

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Since space-time is relative from the moment it started existing and "external" measurament don't have sense we cant talk about expansion.

Space time expansion theory is just a relative POV, a model to make a multidimensional quantum shit understandable.

It is the opposite of an explosion, its a turbo cooling.

Its all matter of energy (gradually separating in different forces like mass, gravity, electomagnetic and all the one), distribution, interaction and entropy.

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It's heresy, ignore it

Ironically this is all any religion is. People making shit up because it makes them feel comfy. Then they REEEEE when anybody questions their comfy bedtime story.

Just replace "expansion costant" with "entropy factor" in the standard model

Our whole universe was in a hot, dense state. Then 14 million years ago, expansion started, wait.

Cosmic redshift and all the other stuff are compatible

>million

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are you really having your first existential crisis on Yea Forums?
>we must have come from something! but what made that something! BUT WHAT MADE THAT THING THAT MADE THAT SOMETHING!
this is literally babbys first existential crisis the thread
it just shows the amount of underage on Yea Forums in its current state.
i remember going through this shit when i was 13-15 years old
eat some LSD eat some mushrooms
realize that there is no way for us to possibly know any of these answers
and enjoy the ride
you fucking faggots

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*billion.
Sorry

Shit theory, there were no big bang.

underrate post, here is your answer op.

so what, multiverse collapse ?

The answer lies on the even horizon of a black hole.

>have nothing
there's your problem
there was something
but the big bang was so destructive and all consuming that it destroyed all evidence of what existed before

also
quantum mechanics
you can literally have something be created from nothing
it is hard to explain
but if you are interested in learning about it it will only take ~10 years of college to learn the basics

why there ?

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Well, our whole universe was in a hot, dense state then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started, wait.
The earth began to cool, the autotrophs began to drool. Neanderthals developed tools. We built a wall We built the pyramids. Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries. That all started with the big bang!

Hey?

With gene editing and transhumanism we'll soon be able to choose our evolutionary direction every generation. Humans won't resemble humans in 200 years.

>horizon of a black hole
explore a place from which there is no return

The big bang is a mathematically supported placeholder.

It doesn't explain everything and still has lots of variables. No scientist expects it to last forever, it's just the best explanation physics has right now.

Well it started when this really hot chick.moved into the apartment across the hall from two Caltech physicists. She was pretty ditzy, but one of the physicists fell in love with her right away. The other one was pretty gay I think. Anyway they eventually got married - the straight physicist and the hot girl, not the two physicists - and had a kid. And everybody lived happily ever after.

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The largest thing a human can observe is the "observable universe", and the smallest is a quark? But did you know, that's not the largest or smallest thing in the universe?

oddball theory from a retard with no basis in science and just from watching youtube videos

black holes push all this random matter that they destroy down to its foundation into another universe, on another plane.
this universe is linked to just this one black hole. once it reaches a certain point (it may take billions of years) of fullness and denseness at this one point. it sends a signal to the creator or god or whatever you want to call it (most likely some fat slob programmer running the simulation, or at least this leg of it) and he hits the on switch for that universe, causing it all to expand and, well you know the rest

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you forgot the constant nerd face comedy

Who created the creator is a problem for atheists and godfags alike. Anyone who says they know is misguided

Except scientists don't say they know and theists do

>You realize most theists believe the big bang too right
Not just that, a fucking priest came up with the theory (Georges Lemaître). Prior to that the norm among atheists was to believe in a universe that was infinite in the past.

Though the weird thing about the Big Bang Theory is how some other user stated that there was always something, just condensed into a really tiny space. It depends on what he means by "something" considering time itself is relative to matter. Right now the mainstream assumption is that the universe is finite in the past, having come into being about 13.7 billion years ago.

It's just that American protestants bring shame to all other Christians by being so directly and unabashedly anti-science.

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>sorreh

The belief that everything appeared from nothing after nothing exploded.

year i prefer all mighty god appeared from nothing created the earth and jews and goyims and reappeared into nothing watching cuck porn for all eternity

>Who created the creator
Literally babby's first question. Atheist and theist philosphers of religion alike don't even consider this question for how basic it is. God is, by definition, considered to be the prima causa or first cause (or unmoved mover if you want to be Aristotelian). God is therefore uncaused, and if something else causes God then that other thing is actually God and what we called God prior to that point something else. By its very definition God cannot be caused. The entire point of a prime mover is to answer the problem of infinite regress (ie. everything is caused by something, which dictates that there must be something that causes other things but is itself uncaused).

Atheist philosophers who attack the idea of God attack it with the understanding that they're attacking the idea of a prime mover (or they try to assert a prime mover that isn't God). It is unrelated to natural science (which, as the name implies, studies the natural world) but rather related to philosophy (in particular metaphysics, or the philosophy of that which is immaterial).

You don't know many scientists do you? Although the myth is that scientists are empirical thinkers, most people in the business of science, and yes it is a business, cling to beliefs as steadfastly as any diehard cultist.

My very uneducated opinion, I think the big bang is recurring. After bajillions of years the universe collapses back onto itself in a supermassive black hole that eventually contains all of the matter in the universe and keeps collapsing inward, the pressure builds as it compresses until it reaches a critical point, then explodes. This is now in a perfect equilibrium having occured an unimaginable number of times, the universe being recreated in exactly the same form, every time, every single chemical reaction occurring in the exact same manner as the time before. You have shitposted an infinite number of times, and will continue to shitpost an infinite number of times in the future.

Okay, so, at the start of it all, there was nothing. The nothingest nothing that could not exist.
That's why it didn't.
And so suddenly it was.
There was no Bang, nor a whimper, for there was nothing there to make a bang or whimper, for those concepts rely upon physics which were entirely self-contained in the thing that didn't exist and therefore did.
I know it's confusing, but like I said, nothing happened to absolutely anything and so everything came to be.
Like a zero suddenly becoming 1+(-1). We are all nothing, literally: The combined energy of the universe is 0. What we have on planet earth, is a tiny part of that (+1) and in the fabric of space and time lies the (-1).
Entropy, the heat death of the universe, is simply the calculation running back to it's conclusion of 0.

The big bang is just the most likely theory, but there are competing theories. That being said, it does make sense to have something our of nothing. Not only virtual particles appear and anhiliate each other in a vacuum, but if you consider math to be the ultimate essence of reality (of this universe and others that might be different in fundamental ways), you can get the natural numbers from empty sets within empty sets and then build complexity from there.

each time two black holes collide, a new big bang is created, with a similar but not identical reality, it can be called an alternate dimension and it happens again and again infinitely many times, so you understand the string theory

This. Ontological nihilism is literally correct.

this

We don't know yet.

Wow, thanks man.

If this book was anything significant then the big bang theory would be disproved by now. Anyone can publish a book.

What if, stars and galaxies are the atoms and molecules of a much much larger object. In the grand scheme of things, we haven't been here even 1 second.

big bang exist, because the whole physical matter will sooner or later change to energy and exceed critical mass.

critical point*

the big bang theory doesnt actually tell us where it came from or why, it just proves that everything started from a single point and then expanded into the universe we have now (which is still getting bigger).
There are several guesses as to what caused the big bang, but none of them have any good proof which means you dont have a good reason to believe any of them.
Some seem more plausible than others but we cant rule out any option either.
popular beliefs for the reason behind is are god, simulation, multiverse and quantum fluctuations.
Out of these 4, 3 just solve a mystery with a bigger mystery.

the way i see it is it's a repeating cycle the universe goes through.
eventually stars stop being born, light ceases to exist, everything gets sucked into black holes, eventually they stop existing too as atoms themselves reach their half-life and cease to exist.
i reckon it might be something along the lines of around this point everything crunches again to a single point of space-time until it de-stabilizes again creating another big bang, at which fresh matter is created.
but iunno take what you will from a hungover man who's just woken up.

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It’s our best guess based on our current level of science and understanding

sorry but our current understanding tells us that its not going to end in a big crunch, but a big freeze instead, no evidence anywhere suggests that the universe is going to get smaller at any point.

>but a big freeze instead,
yeah that makes sense too.
honestly the mind-blowing thing is just the absolute time scale we're working with here. to get to that point is so many billions of trillions of years it's hard to even fathom numbers that big.

iirc its calculated to be like a googol years before the last black hole vanishes.
a googol is a 1 with 100 zeroes after is.

I pacifically come here just to watch retarded people interact with each other.

and here we have too

>pacifically

and this nigger is calling OTHER people retarded

the frustrating thing is most people who see the truth like in this post assume scientists have no idea and are just guessing. That's not how theories work damnit

bUT ThEy CaLl iT a THeorY FoA A REEESON!!!
>ONLY MUH "insert holybook name here" HAS THE TRUTH

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Boredom, loneliness, and narcissism are traits we share. We are mortal, finite, creatures. Religion states that we were created by an omnipotent, infinite, creator. He is necessarily above such base motivators. You're imagining God as a Man, or Man as a God. We cannot conceive God as a God because we are not equipped to perceive the infinite or omnipotent.

Read it and I would suspect you would disagree

bone cancer in children sure has lots of unexplored viewpoints

incontinence with alzheimer when you actually age old sure brings alot of unexplored things with it

an omnipotent being who creates literally garbage
>PRAISE THE LORD

It was obviously God, have you not read the bible?

If you believe in infinty then the big bang isnt a thing that should be considered. But if you think everything that starts somehow has to come to an end, then the theory of something like a big bang should be accepted as a possible starting point.

Eye roll.

Or that black holes break time and the mass they condense isn't all held in the now, but can travel backwards in time. Over a long enough period, the condensed mass in the distant past becomes unstable for reasons unknown and big bangs.

how fucking salty would both christians and atheists be if it turned out that the big bang (the theory) is spot on accurate, but its god that sparked it, but then said fuck it and just let everything happen as is since then.

Fucking atheists and creationists go apeshit

tfw some quantum virgin from the 5th dimension created our universe in a lab experiment.

tfw i get more pussy than god

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I think people are more leaning towards the theory of the universe being a cycle/never having a beginning/being one of infinite universes. Basically any theory that says there wasn't a beginning to everything. Because if there really was a beginning to everything, it would be very hard to explain how it happened without describing something that sounds like a god.

Lots of creationists believe God did the Big Bang

The difference between a scientist and religious fag
>Place each in a black room and tell them something is there (when there isn't).
>The scientist feels around for awhile then comes out and says he can't find anything and believes that there might not be anything in there.
>The priest comes out and says he found the thing.

I'm not quite sure I follow your point. The fact that god creates suffering, agony, torment, and all matter of terrible things for his creations to endure is a point of contest as old as religion itself. Written and pondered over endlessly. To me, this is all just a thought experiment, I'm not religious in the slightest.

>American Christian's anti science
It's a voting issue user. Republicans fucking love playing the reason antagonizers because it keeps their voters closed off and guaranteed.

Idfk but I'll test my theory
A universe was made before ours, and all of it soon died. Once it died, the gravity of everything soon collected, making such a big mass that it exploded into a new world.
I'd explain it harder, but I'm bored of you already.

Which is why we have meta analyses and your one study doesn't mean shit until many more are done by others that all corraborate the same finding...
We literally designed the scientific method in order to counteract human bias. Cling all you want to your beliefs and works, if the findings of the scientific community as a whole stand against it your work is invalidated.

They're not sure of that either. That depends on if all the dark energy in the empty space keeps it's strength. But we don't know much about dark energy.

How does the book explain the CMB and cosmic expansion?

youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA
I have shared this video a lot of times lately. It's a good one.

Basically something caused an almost infinite amount of energy to appear in a tiny spot. Since matter is basically just energy the physics defying bullshit that comes with near infinite energy in a near infinitely small space meant energy basically became matter (eg e=mc2) and it expanded outwards.

The cause you ask? Nobody knows for sure. I'm a proponent of the idea that there is an energy field that forms the 'outerverse' and occasionally pockets of that energy reach a critical mass enabling it to form matter which brings about time and space and gravity etc etc. Since spacetime can't exist without space or time this energy field could be producing an infinite number of big bangs and we'd never be any the wiser.

Basically our understanding of the origin of the universe is tarnished by living in it. We observe time and space, birth and death, a beginning and an end and we assume that, because it's true here, it must be absolute fact. There is no reason there couldn't be infinite big bangs in an infinite plane created by absolutely nothing. We just can't conceive it because we can only understand what we can observe.

They'd both be fine.
Christian's would be find validating their creator is real and did a thing, and scientists would be absolutely astounded and fascinated there is a deity higher than us.

Oww fuck I cut myself on your edge

To believe in the big bang, you have to believe first that there was never nothing. Something was always there, otherwise there could never have been a big bang.

If you choose to believe that there was something there, the only logical theory is zero-point energy. It's far too much to explain, and you're getting into quantum energy states and absolute zero temperatures. But an example of zero-point energy is liquid helium. As you lower the temperature of helium, it turns to a liquid. However, even when lowered to absolute zero, liquid helium does not freeze into a solid because of the vibrational energy left by the irremovable zero-point energy.

It's the only explanation given our current laws of physics and quantum physics that can explain how the bug bang started, because it's the only way to explain the energy that that doesn't preclude a "something from nothing" theory