Anyone else have trouble trusting doctors because of the healthcare in this country?

>tfw interned at an urgent care center around election time
>tfw shortly after trump won, the people who owned it found themselves uncertain about the future of healthcare in this country
>tfw they decided that if you didn't have cash/card already out, they would turn you away
>tfw a woman once came to my desk, bleeding from a domestic assault
>tfw I had to turn her away because she forgot her debit card, and didn't have any other means to pay
>tfw still remember the trail of blood she left on the carpet

The center since reversed their decision once Trumpcare fell through the roof. But good god, you literally can't trust your life with our system.

Hospitals (not urgent care centers, purely FOR PROFIT ventures) are required to NEVER sent care on the basis of capacity to pay.

If you call a hospital after a visit and explain you are uninsured and cannot pay, they use the opportunity to write off your debt as a charitable classification.

If you explain you are a cash patient, most will negotiate or drop their fees.

If they do not, there are subsidized (free) clinics in ever medium or large sized city in the United States. You can take a greyhound bus across country for $56... If you can't afford $56, now who is the problem?

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Never DENY* care

So if you don't pay before, you will be turned away?
That concept is hard to understand for me

>t.third world physician

Also, if this were true, you'd know you would have turned her away anyhow. Urgent care doesn't accept exigent medical cases. They refer everything to the ER- broken arms, dislocated shoulder, etc.

Not a thing here in the US. If you don't have insurance or any means to pay for healthcare, you're pretty much going to be turn away. Whether it's a clinic, care center, or even a hospital. If you can't pay for treatment, you're not going to get treatment. We barely write anything off as charitable contributions, because charities are frowned upon in the US.

>If you can't afford $56, now who is the problem?
The problem is still the system. Also, I just checked Greyhound, and trips are still at least $100 (the only prices under $100 are for within state destinations). Not to mention, that's just for the trip alone, and not the money recalled for the doctor and the lodging and the other necessities needed for trips.

This has never once been my experience. This thread is bullshit.

i've never had a greyhound trip that didn't cost me at least $120...

It happens in my country but only for private clinics and hospitals, not for public ones

>mfw been turned away from three clinics when I started coughing up blood because I didn't have anyway to pay them
luckily, whatever problem I had cleared itself up. but yeah, it happens.

At least, when I was working there, they turned people away because of the panic Trump's election caused. Over time, they went back to just billing you after the visit.

I AM IN THE US.

You need to understand the difference between hospitals and the other providers you mentioned.

You aren't getting this. You must be some weird bot or shill or something. Nobody is naturally this ignorant.

> Problem is the 'system'
doesn't have even a basic understanding of the 'system'

Google: EMTLA

$40BN in annual hospital care write-offs

https:// www.magnifymoney. com/blog/pay-down-my-debt/get-hospital-bill-reduced-even-eliminated1389897953/

ITT: whiny kid who gets bloody noses and doesn't understand the world, denies free advice as a 'system' stacked against him.

Coughing blood is a serious issue bro. How old are you? any other symptoms?

Which country do you live in? In in the United States.

Venezuela

>I AM IN THE US.
And you're very clearly wrong about your own country.

>You need to understand the difference between hospitals and the other providers you mentioned.
There generally aren't any differences, since they're still under US healthcare as a general system.

>You aren't getting this.
You clearly aren't yourself.

>Google: EMTLA
Is often the target criticism from the AMA and various ethics committee. Not to mention, got bumfucked under the Obama administration when the recession hit.

Remember: you only need to get to the nearest major metro for a free clinic visit, in this example.

Your city may have a free clinic. My $56 example was from daily commute experience neighboring a greyhound station. They run 'coast to coast' promos regularly.

24 at the time. Haven't had it since. I was still turned away from doctors because I didn't have insurance back then.

That makes sense. Private = for profit, private industry. They SHOULD have the right to deny service.

Also, sorry to see what's happened to your country lately. They should go back to Simon Bolivar, and start again.

you must not have rode a greyhound in a while because prices have gone up over time :/

IF you're not based within 50 miles of a major metro area, price a ticket from wherever you are to the nearest major metro. Tell me if that's over $60.

The idea here is not that I'm.adboxating Greyhound is a good deal, but explaining that OP has minimal barriers to self-care, and isn't using them by claiming 'the system's is against them.

Just get to either Canada or Mexico. In Mexico you get to see a specialist for like 5 bucks, a dude that has like 20 years of medical training. You can go private too but that goes up to 50-100 USD for a consult.

Advocating*

Coughing blood can be for many reasons
>tuberculosis
>cancer
>vasculitis
>some drugs as aspirin or clopidogrel
>even, marihuana mixed with vitamin k antagonists
>a nose problem
>chest trauma

all i think now

There's no helping you. Good luck. You're right, everyone else must be the problem.

>IF you're not based within 50 miles of a major metro area, price a ticket from wherever you are to the nearest major metro. Tell me if that's over $60.
the cheapest one I could find was $111.
>but explaining that OP has minimal barriers to self-care
the fact he has *any* barriers to healthcare is a problem. even your suggestions are part of the problem, not the solution.
>and isn't using them by claiming 'the system's is against them
the system *is* against people who aren't able to satisfy certain economic standings

Dunno about Mexico (and it's a dangerous country in general). But Canada doesn't offer healthcare to non-Canadians.

It's not other people who are the problem (maybe you are -- but not everyone else). It's how the economy is structured. Other countries are able to provide free public healthcare without any problems or barriers. We don't have that in the US, because we're usually too afraid of tax hikes, or having to restructure the entire economy in order to accommodate every citizen.

He doesn't have that, he said nosebleeds and persistent cough

Indeed it is, but it's an option I guess.

Ok snowflake, now you know that $111 is the absolute worst case cost for you to visit a free doctor IF there isn't one closer to you.

Nowhere is it written you're guaranteed free healthcare as part of any 'system'. I'm sorry being responsible for yourself seems so difficult.

This thread was about OP whining he can't manage his life effectively enough to get care. I challenged a number of his basic assumptions as being clearly ignorant of the reality of the 'system' he was criticizing. I'm not arguing it's the best, but it's not as bleak as this turd believes simply because 'muh mainstream media told me so'

You clearly cannot read: .

Economy is working fine for the people who are working.

It says capitalism on the sign- if you don't like it, move to Canada and try out waiting 20 months for a new doctor. You might even get one fresh off the boat from India.

You're a short-sighted regurgitation of things other people have said. I'm convinced you're a bot.

Indeed, I apologise, I read only his initial post. GI causes too.

>Ok snowflake, now you know that $111 is the absolute worst case cost
i don't have $20 to spare
>a free doctor
we don't have those in the us
>Nowhere is it written you're guaranteed free healthcare as part of any 'system'.
healthcare is a human right, not a privilege.
>I'm sorry being responsible for yourself seems so difficult.
it shouldn't have to be about responsibilities, it's about having the basic means to survive. you're entitled to healthcare as much as you're entitled to food.
>This thread was about OP whining he can't manage his life effectively enough to get care.
sounds like he doesn't have access to care at all, regardless of how he manages his life. his lifestyle doesn't and should not matter in this case.
>I challenged a number of his basic assumptions as being clearly ignorant of the reality of the 'system' he was criticizing.
the irony of this sentence.
>I'm not arguing it's the best
you effectively are, like the rest of you right-wingers.
>but it's not as bleak as this turd believes
it is bleak and ineffective as everyone else criticizes it for. :/

If you don't have $20, you should go to bed so you can wake up tomorrow and manage your life.

You miss the mark in that it IS about responsibilities. If you try to force your worldview on the people who do have $20, and explain that they need to spend half their money paying for your needs- when you haven't felt yourself important enough yet to care for them yourself, eventually the people with $20 will leave, rather than support people who won't support themselves.

You make assumptions about my politics and my realtiy but THERE ARE PLENTY of tree doctors in the United States. You need to do some basic googling.

So only because a lot of people criticize a thing doesn't mean it's true.

Why should you believe you have a basic right to food? If your parents bred you but can't afford to feed you, why should you become someone else's burden? You already admitted you're not even caring for yourself.

There are a lot of arborists, but I meant Free* doctors.

Good luck user.

I'm out, too much of the same-fagging bit worldview.

If this really is how you see things, wake up Yea Forumsro and seek out to information sources. Also, when you turn 18, consider the armed forces if you truly believe you don't have any others options you can manage. The chair-force is a nice way to spend a few years learning about other people, and if your character isn't worth a damn now, at least that experience is likely to broaden and strengthen it some.

But seriously, you can see doctors for free. You should try it, if you're concerned about your health.

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Obvious nigger is still painfully obvious

>you should go to bed so you can wake up tomorrow and manage your life.
not going to change anything. when you finally become an adult, you realize that you're going to be swamped with finances and other responsibilities that sap up all your money. food, bills, student loans, emergencies, life -- those are going to leave you with you little cash to spare BECAUSE you have an adult life to manage. not everyone has disposal income, donald. especially this generation.
>You miss the mark in that it IS about responsibilities.
having access to adequate medical care is not a responsibility, it's an innate human right. responsibilities include shit like caring for your kids, family, maybe your friends -- but nothing about human rights like food, water, and having the means to seek medical help.
>If you try to force your worldview on the people who do have $20, and explain that they need to spend half their money paying for your needs- when you haven't felt yourself important enough yet to care for them yourself, eventually the people with $20 will leave, rather than support people who won't support themselves.
other countries have managed to pull that off throughout history. it's a shame that the united states is still basically third world by today's standards.

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>You make assumptions about my politics and my realtiy
based on the contents and consistency of your arguments. that's less assumption, and more calling a spade a spade.
>but THERE ARE PLENTY of tree doctors in the United States
there are practically none in this country, because they still need to make money from somewhere.
>You need to do some basic googling.
is only bringing up how the united states lacks free healthcare, doctors including, and keeps trying to refer to be professionals outside this country.
>So only because a lot of people criticize a thing doesn't mean it's true.
you only get this amount criticism IF it's true. criticisms don't come out of nowhere. they wouldn't exist if that were the case.
>Why should you believe you have a basic right to food?
because food and being able to feed yourself and kin is a right. there's nothing about it that doesn't make it a right.
>If your parents bred you but can't afford to feed you, why should you become someone else's burden?
the same reason people birthed you, even though no one asked them to.
>You already admitted you're not even caring for yourself.
strawman, that never happened. just that caring for yourself, even in the best scenarios, doesn't get you far if access to certain amendtities are withheld.

>seek out to information sources
>consider the armed forces
>chair-force
those are not solutions, alternatives, or even options to lack of healthcare. not to mention, completely unrelated to being able to see a doctor.
>But seriously, you can see doctors for free.
unless you're in canada or europe, they don't exist.

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>Why should you believe you have a basic right to food? If your parents bred you but can't afford to feed you, why should you become someone else's burden? You already admitted you're not even caring for yourself.

It's in the universal declaration of human rights, although I believe it is against the free market and contradictory. And it sucks because the US has the best healthcare ever and not all can get it. I get your point I think. Sickness is a luxury in my opinion.