People have such a fucking mental block about weed that they can't even admit it's addictive. That's pathetic

Well first of all, there is PHYSICAL addiction, which means, that the drug you use has something in it, that makes your body PHYSICALLY dependent on it. That is called "physical addiction", and it can form from substaces like nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, and many more. WEED isn't one of those things. There is no scientific evidence, that cannabis has any combound, that is physically addictive.

Then there is MENTALLY addictive stuff. This can be anything, also weed. Difference between physical and mental addiction is, that physical addiction is related to the substance you use, and mental addiciton is related to a person and individual that uses something.

Look this video

youtube.com/watch?v=C8AHODc6phg

Well OP ill admit i have issues with saying no to it when I have some. If I have some im going to smoke it, if I have a little more then a bowl left, andI tell myself "This will be better after work so i can enjoy it" Ill still smoke it before work. If my tolerance is sky high (Which even after a month plus break returns quickly) and I know ill achieve a 15 minute high, ill still smoke.

Once Im out, like out to the point i cant get anything else out of my grinde (Give me some credit i dont smoke resin anymore) Then Im good, 1st day I really want to smoke, but after that Im good, until a friend comes over with some and then I call up my dealer.

I can turn away pills, go months in between drinking, but weed definitely has a hold on me albeit a light one.

It can be addictive in the same way the internet, Netflix, or TV can be addictive.

But it's not chemically addictive in the same way that heroin or opiates are addictive.

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Fucking retard

being a toxic asshole is addictive, bitch

Thats actually not true
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It's not the least bit. I have the most addictive personality in the world (opiate addict, alcoholic, etc.), but I smoke weed maybe once or twice a month.

It's not. You may want to do it but unlike cigarettes or opioids you don't give sick not having it or crave it .

>I smoke weed maybe once or twice a month

All that proves is that weed isn't your drug of choice, that doesn't mean it's not addictive

weed is less addictive than nicotine or caffeine but both of those are legal. Addiction is not something that should be considered when determining the legality of a substance.

I've experimented with a lot of drugs and alcohol through the years and found that there are only 2 things I'm addicted to; weed and adderall

Your dad would be dead by now. 30 ibu a day is like 3 times od.

I can confirm this. Ive been smoking everyday for years now, and those days i havent smoked were shitty af

Nope. I really really enjoy it when I do.

Look, the only thing at question here is whether or not weed is psychologically addictive. It is demonstrably proven to not be physically addictive (i.e. no withdrawls after heavy, extended use).

In the end, saying definitively that "weed is psychologically addictive" or "weed is not psychologically addictive" is impossible and pointless. It's a spectrum, like everything else that exists. Weed is not psychologically addictive TO ME. While it might be for others, for the vast majority it's not.

Sure some people might be psychologically addicted, but some people are psychologically addicted to toasters.

Bullshit. I stopped for 2 years after smoking for like 8 years. Was fine . Made smoker we more enjoyable . When you're high constantly all day it gets old.

>When you're high constantly all day it gets old

Being high all day gets old after a few days, I can't imagine being high all day for weeks/months/years, that's fucking ridiculous and a painfully obvious sign of addiction

Did it daily for 2.5 years cured my PTSD. Haven't had it in months.

my mom was a smackhead and pillhead for years. these days she goes through a 300 count ibuprofen bottle in 2 weeks. She's been doing it for years, granted her stomach is all fucked up with ulcers

anyways you're a fucking retard because literally anything that releases dopamine can make you addicted, from crack to sex to food. Weed is as psychologically addictive as any other substance. Weed has never been shown to have physical addiction or tendencies, like heroin and shit that will give a withdrawal bc you're physically addicted and dependent. Do some fucking research

Fucking based

Did you know there is no difference between "a learned habit" and "addiction"? Neurologically and epigenetically they are the same mechanism.

This shit is just ridiculous, people claiming to smoke weed daily for years and still not believing they are/were addicted

If you're addicted to weed it's not the weed, you're just gay

After a week or two you won't be getting high any more, but the psychedelic i.e. mind-forthbringing effects will get slightly noticeable.

This shit is just ridiculous, people claiming to eat sugar daily for years and still not believing they are/were addicted

More like "you have a neurological disorder and the cannabis is making it better"

Well, I'll admit that was addicted to weed. Started smoking at 12, stopped at 26, I am 28 now. I couldn't go a day without it, used to scoop out my grinder for left overs, sold my phone once to buy more weed and shit like that. Stopped smoking because I developed paranoid schizophrenia, medicated at the moment, when I try to smoke weed I immediately start hearing voices, so no more weed for me

This shit is just ridiculous, people claiming to check their phones daily for years and still not believing they are/were addicted

all the weedfags here are so hard in denial

I smoke weed occasionally, I don't deny it's addictive if you do it too much. Anything that feels good can be addictive, weed is no different.

I've smoked weed for 16 years now
I think the longest I went without smoking during that time was about 11 months, it's habit forming and psychologically addictive, in my opinion.

I can quit cold turkey and have in the past, but to say it's 100% not addictive is a lie.

I think you've been unknowingly medicating your schizophrenia since you were 12. Most illegal cannabis contains very little CBD, however, so you might want to try out a legal medical strain that has close to 0% THC and 10-20% CBD, I know there are some like that.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481531/

ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.2017.17030325

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>Ibuprofen addictive?
Idk man is downing 5 ibuprofen tablets together with meds that are supposed to relax your muscles and cause retrograde ejaculation when combined a sign of addiction?
You tell me.

tolerance built up after a while, obviously

well, not obvious is you're a fucking retard i guess

>downing 5 ibuprofen tablets
> Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology to produce a state of compensated hypogonadism
> Ibuprofen literally shrinks testicles
pnas.org/content/115/4/E715

When I stopped years of weed(3.5 a day) only thing I noticed was how bored I was. Yet when I've come off painkillers or anti depressants there is obvious physical withdrawals...so through experience I would say weed is only psychologically addictive, as in its all in your head if you feel you can't go without it

>Inb4 "you're in denial faggot"

Weed is psychologically addictive. There are no withdrawal symptoms and nobody's ever sucked dick for a hit of weed, but it still makes you feel like you need it, and it makes you feel like the world is an empty place without it. At a certain point you need weed to feel normal.

I was addicted to weed for about 3 years in my 20's, smoked about 1.5 grams a day, it started giving me really bad anxiety so I had to quit. For at least a few months afterwards, life was boring and dull and I was really irritable before I started feeling normal again.

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Cool, thanks for the update internet man

but everything can be addictive, you're quite literally in denial

post proof that weed is chemically addictive

i'll wait

lol it's not addictive trust me i'd know if it was coz ive smoked every day for 15 years

> Chronic addictive drug use causes alterations in gene expression in the mesocorticolimbic projection, which arise through transcriptional and epigenetic mechanisms. ΔFosB is the most significant biomolecular mechanism in addiction because the overexpression of ΔFosB in the D1-type medium spiny neurons in the nucleus accumbens is necessary and sufficient for many of the neural adaptations and behavioral effects (e.g., expression-dependent increases in drug self-administration and reward sensitization) seen in drug addiction.

> ΔFosB overexpression has been implicated in addictions to alcohol (ethanol), cannabinoids, cocaine, methylphenidate, nicotine, opioids, phencyclidine, propofol, and substituted amphetamines, among others.

> ΔFosB also plays an important role in regulating behavioral responses to natural rewards, such as palatable food, sex, and exercise. Natural rewards, similar to drugs of abuse, induce gene expression of ΔFosB in the nucleus accumbens, and chronic acquisition of these rewards can result in a similar pathological addictive state through ΔFosB overexpression. Consequently, ΔFosB is the key mechanism involved in addictions to natural rewards (i.e., behavioral addictions) as well; in particular, ΔFosB in the nucleus accumbens is critical for the reinforcing effects of sexual reward.

> Research on the interaction between natural and drug rewards suggests that dopaminergic psychostimulants (e.g., amphetamine) and sexual behavior act on similar biomolecular mechanisms to induce ΔFosB in the nucleus accumbens and possess bidirectional reward cross-sensitization effects that are mediated through ΔFosB. This phenomenon is notable since, in humans, a dopamine dysregulation syndrome, characterized by drug-induced compulsive engagement in natural rewards (specifically, sexual activity, shopping, and gambling), has also been observed in some individuals taking dopaminergic medications.

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>and nobody's ever sucked dick for a hit of weed,
You've got no idea what coucil estate chavs will do for an eight.

> ΔJunD, a transcription factor, and G9a, a histone methyltransferase, both oppose the function of ΔFosB and inhibit increases in its expression. Increases in nucleus accumbens ΔJunD expression (via viral vector-mediated gene transfer) or G9a expression (via pharmacological means) reduces, or with a large increase can even block, many of the neural and behavioral alterations seen in chronic drug abuse (i.e., the alterations mediated by ΔFosB).

> ΔFosB inhibitors (drugs or treatments that oppose its action or reduce its expression) may be an effective treatment for addiction and addictive disorders. Current medical reviews of research involving lab animals have identified a drug class – class I histone deacetylase inhibitors – that indirectly inhibits the function and further increases in the expression of accumbal ΔFosB by inducing G9a expression in the nucleus accumbens after prolonged use. These reviews and subsequent preliminary evidence which used oral administration or intraperitoneal administration of the sodium salt of butyric acid or other class I HDAC inhibitors for an extended period indicate that these drugs have efficacy in reducing addictive behavior in lab animals that have developed addictions to ethanol, psychostimulants (i.e., amphetamine and cocaine), nicotine, and opiates; however, as of August 2015, few clinical trials involving human addicts and any HDAC class I inhibitors have been conducted to test for treatment efficacy in humans or identify an optimal dosing regimen.

There is an almost instantly acting treatment to most addictions that completely abolishes addictive behavior and drug dependence.

But you're not going to get it from the doctor, because the doctor is in effect a modern drug dealer. No, you're forced to find your histone deacetylase inhibitors from the "open markets".

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>can't even admit it's addictive
ofc its addictive fag everything is addictive

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Yeah it's pretty addictive, but at least when I'm angry then smoke i calm down and sort my problem, if I got drunk I'd be in jail.

>sodium salt of butyric acid

> Sodium butyrate is a compound with formula Na(C3H7COO). It is the sodium salt of butyric acid.

> The compound is found in human diet, notably produced in large amounts from dietary fiber in the gut and present in Parmesan cheese and butter. Nevertheless, the most common source of sodium butyrate in the gut is from consumption of legumes, which along with fiber have been associated with delayed aging and healthspan.

Eat legumes to stay off drugs?

And that's one of the ways how big money convinced everyone that their inner workings are wrong and must be changed.

Well I'm in germany so I don't know how I would get my hands on medical strains but I'll look into it, thanks.

I hope they'll legalize it in germany soon

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Hey dumbass, weed usage increases risk of developing schizophrenia
>unknowingly self-medicating
>hurrr durrr

>Hey dumbass, weed usage increases risk of developing schizophrenia
said no study, ever

your mom is addictive

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I smoke weed everyday and started in the early 70's. Matter of fact, I quit drinking using the marijuana maintenance program. You have a drink and be obnoxious, I'll smoke a bone and eat a twinkie!

Funny how over the years the number of people who use weed has risen dramatically yet the amount of people diagnosed with schizophrenia has not...hmmm weird that

cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medicine/article/div-classtitleassessing-causality-in-associations-between-cannabis-use-and-schizophrenia-risk-a-two-sample-mendelian-randomization-studydiv/122D651C3670683DAEDDA33997417105

academic.oup.com/hmg/article-abstract/doi/10.1093/hmg/ddx139/3574683/BDNF-Overexpression-Prevents-Cognitive-Deficit?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Keep clinging to your self-medication fantasies though

yeah true im addicted to 2l cola daily

This. Like guys weed's cool and all and we all smoke it, but it's not gods gift to humans and you can be addicted.

I had night terrors weekly from age 4 up til age 16. 16 is when i started smoking weed. im 23 and havent had a single night terror since. among a plethora of other issues (bed wetting, chronic secondary insomnia, attention disorders, self awareness in general. i was raised by wolves) . i see your point about how it can be abused. i certainly agree that it can kill ambition. hell, there are even mild withdrawal symptoms for heavy users but the effects are akin to caffeine withdrawal in terms of severity. Its simply not fair to yeet it into the same category as hard drugs. But the lack of awareness on the subject has more to do with the majority of humans being shit. Its a lot easier to blame an object than it is to blame humanitys lack of individual responsibility. your point is moot.

>Is Ibuprofen addictive?
it actually is i was addicted you moron

>you can be addicted
Yes you can

Because you can be addicted to anything you consume

Anything

But you do not get CHEMICAL addiction from cannabinoids

Only psychological addiction

Which means it isn't the weed, it's you

>The link between marijuana and psychosis goes beyond a short-lived high. If you already have schizophrenia and use the drug, your symptoms may get worse. You may have more psychotic episodes and spend more time in the hospital.

Researchers also have found that if you carry certain types of specific genes that affect brain chemistry, marijuana use can raise the chance you’ll have schizophrenia. One of those genes is called AKT1. Another is called COMT.

you cannot contract schizophrenia from smoking weed.
you must already have it, and essentially the weed 'brings it out'
read webmd, or even the links you posted.

Well I don't know all the science these days but I was addicted for a decade, the worst 2 months of my life getting over it, the only way was to take Xanax constantly, I used to smoke everyday as often as possible.

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I've quite almost every drug out there too, by far weed had the worst withdrawal, but I never did heroin...

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No-one's arguing that it is physically addictive. I also wouldn't equate it with "anything you consume". It's a mind altering drug, quite different to lollies or food. If you smoke it everyday and you stop, you brain thinks something is missing which makes you smoke more. You are right that the problem is on the person to practice moderation, but that's not what's being argued here. We are arguing that it is POSSIBLE, which many people claim otherwise because they think it's a miracle drug that solves everything, just so they can get stoned.

Also, a better word would probably be habit.

Just because you smoke pot doesn't mean you are addicted to it.
t. only smokes every few months when going to concerts with friends

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I'm him
I was shivering and couldn't eat more than a couple bites at a time for 60 days, I wouldn't call that habit.

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Well fuck me. Idk I have no response that's pretty out there

LOL.
Wrong. I know a girl who sucks random dicks to fund her weed habit.

>nobody's ever sucked dick for a hit of weed

I have literally sucked multiple cocks, at different times, for weed

The only people dumber than stoners are people that think weed is addictive, you absolute fucking dickhead

Why the FUCK haven't you joined this server yet?
https:\\discordapp.com\invite\w47xFGg

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Not op but as long as you know

I think the OP is more aimed at people who act like marijuana is a miracle drug with no ill side effects psychological or otherwise.

Of course it comes with some bad. Everything does. Im also fine with stoners so not even that guy.

Of course it's a fucking chemical addiction retard, what else would it be?

Imagine not having enough willpower to just stop.

When addicts are automatically half brained

It is obviously addictive you dumb fuck. There are several first hand accounts of addiction to it here.

Jesus, why can't I get a loyal customer like you?

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>Will power

Sounds like someone who either has never had an addiction before or has used addictive substances they are not genetically inclined to be addicted to or never did enough to get addicted to in the first place.

That was a mouthful ...

but some substance are addictive and some are not. a person with an addictive personality can become addicted to anything, but that doesn't make that thing addictive

dummy

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actually it is

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It's legal in my state now that ignorant people like you have lost the war on weed. It's like reefer madness still exists in some parts of the country despite all the proof to the contrary.

So food addictions are also chemical addictions, right?

No.

Chemical addictions are well defined. Weed does not do what chemical addictions do. You get addicted to it the same way you get addicted to gaming or lollies or food as seems to think is not the case (protip: he's wrong. The kind of addiction is EXACTLY the same). And the proof is: not everyone who smokes it habitually gets addicted (no withdrawal when stopping) unlike chemical addictions, which affect everyone regardless of mental fortitude.

If you are an addictive personality, and you smoke weed, you will get addicted.
If you are an addictive personality, and you shoot heroin, you will get addicted.

If you are not an addictive personality, and you smoke weed, you will not get addicted.
If you are not an addictive personality, and you shoot heroin, you will still get addicted.

That's the difference. It is not 'an addictive drug', but it is possible to get addicted to non-addictive substances if you are the wrong kind of person.

In conclusion, don't do weed unless you have a good reason because you never know if you're going to be the kind of person who gets addicted to it until you already are.

>Addictive personality
More complicated... You can be prone to different substances.
You can have a genetic predisposition to be more addicted to cigarettes and not addicted to alcohol for example.

My GF and I are opposites like this (and I've had a genetic test and it's in there).
Before I quit I was a chain smoker. Quitting was hard AF. I'm addicted to coffee, too.
It's medically advised I stay away from all stimulant drugs.
She can and does just stop smoking any time with no issue.

I also have periods of heavy drinking, I can stop drinking cold turkey and be absolutely fine. She's an alcoholic and has literally been in detox centers over it. She wants to stop. She cannot.
She got some native in her.

Lets play spot the Califag

Buddy, we're talking about a guy who now has schizophrenia. I doubt he's done a genetic assay to check for those gene sequences, but having smoked weed and now experiencing psychotic symptoms, he's probably in the high-risk group you're describing.

>no, I'm not saying weed 'gives' you schizophrenia
>families with history of psychosis should avoid hallucinogens because they aggravate prodrome
>weed is a mild hallucinogen
>weed use will increase likelihood of psychosis in at-risk populations (often the at-risk don't know they are)

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psychologically addictive? yes, but not physically addictive which is usually what they talk about when they say addiction in relation to drugs

You seem to have your definition of addiction as solely physical addiction. Neurological addiction is real. I remember reading a study in the 50's about them putting a person in a room with a remote and a button. When they pressed the button (it was hooked to their brain) it would give them an orgasmic like pleasure for a few seconds. But it would also shock them each time. The pleasure would decrease with each button click, and the shock would increase. They still pressed the button until they had to be stopped from harming themself. Their body didn't need to do it, like with heroin withdrawal, they were addicted.

Of course it’s addictive, I’m not too sure many heavy smokers would deny that but it’s a mental addiction not a physical so it’s not half as bad as being addicted to alcohol or class A drugs!

Neurological addiction doesn't affect everyone in the same way however. So once again, the substance itself is not addictive. This is fairly simple.

You still shouldn't do cannabinoids unless you need to. That's common sense, because until you're addicted you won't know if it's going to be something you get addicted to unlike literally addictive substances, which you know for a fact that you WILL get addicted to through continued use.

Addiction to weed, very possible.
Weed addictive, not the case.

Jesus Christ you are literally fucking retarded

ad hominem

This is the most moronic reasoning I have ever heard.

Several people here have given first hand accounts of physical withdrawal symptoms when stopping smoking weed. I would take first hand accounts over proponents of weed living in denial.

I'll shove an ad hominem up your asshole you fucking retard

I'm addicted to weed.

Anecdotal < Statistics

id suck your dick faggot then we can both fuck heavy

whether he knows it or not this guy is a propaganda shill for big pharma, he posts this thread every day trying to keep people's perception of weed as some kind of dangerous drug

fuck this guy

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Which statistics?
First hand accounts are not anecdotes.
Have you been dropped on your head?

I understand what you're saying, but I think we're just getting into semantics now. Would you atleast agree people shouldn't be going around toting it as harmless and wonderful and advocating it to people? And if you reply with its just as possibly harmful as gambling or sugar, we're gonna have to agree to disagree.

Would you atleast agree that people shouldn't be advocating it and saying that it's harmless and recommending it to any old person?

Not even remotely true

It’s addictive like coffee, which I need to wake up. I need weed to relax/sleep, healthier than drinking.

Yeah destroying your lungs and gambling with psychosis is way safer than drinking a beer...

Apparently smoking weed gives you pretty immediate brain damage.

Your scope of the world is painfully narrow

You mean realistic?
Potheads are so funny. They all seem to believe they are so enlightened and intelligent, when really they are generally boring dullards living in a drug induced fantasy land. Too weak to cope with life without substance abuse. Failures all round.

I'm addicted to cawk

Thats great but youre wrong

Nope.

cognitive dissonance

Said the man with no argument.

Science, doctors, specialists the world over have agreed that weed is not a chemically addictive substance. It is NOT ADDICTIVE. You CAN STILL GET ADDICTED TO NON ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCES.

Fucking absolutist morons.
>Weed heads: weed is a miracle, not addictive, totally harmless.
>Idiots who think they're smarter than weed heads: weed is totally addictive, because there are people addicted to it

Both wrong

Drug induced delusion.

It’s no more addictive than anything else;
Junk food
TV
Movies
Porn
Internet
Vidya gams
Etc

I smoke very occasionally but have no compulsion to do it. I’m not addicted, have no need to do it every day, and when I do smoke I have no need to keep smoking. It’s been this way for 25 years for me.

Everyone is different, and people do get addicted, but it’s the people not the weed

i high af right naw

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If people are addicted to it, it is addictive. What a fucking mongoloid.

Okay, deny science. Call me a weed proponent (protip: see the bit where I said don't do weed? That proves you wrong) and take an absolutist stance like a moron and never look into the science.

Weed is not addictive, but it is psychoactive and can lead to addiction in some people and thus should be avoided.

Don't be an absolutist moron ignoring the facts.

im sober. keep digging, maybe youll hit something..

m.youtube.com/watch?v=9fd8tXUhuZw

It can be. It’s far more about the user. I only smoke occasionally. Like bi-monthly. But I know some people who wake and bake daily and are obviously addicted.

I do coke occasionally. I don't feel any compulsion to do it. That makes it totally not addictive right?

I assume you believe that your misconstrued style of articulation should take precedence over the semantics of scientific research and peer reviewed articles. Discussing these things with a person such as you is pointless. Cognitive dissonance.

Drug induced psychosis doesn't wear off because you haven't smoked in a few hours. ;)

Wahahahahahahahahaha oh my fucking goddddddd user haha Jesus man Jesus! I'm high as FUCK right now holy shit tutti fruition I'm in a fucking high ass condition! Man you gotta get high and jack off! You are a faggot like Bob Saget!

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Yeah that's an awesome definition of addiction. Just really wanting to do something is not an addiction.

Please, show me this science. Show me peer reviewed articles which say cannabis is not addictive. I bet I can find plenty that say it is.

ive never smoked weed. i like vodka. I really hope you see how your random jabs discredit you. i would advise a different approach. seems counterproductive to what your trying to do.

I quit cold turkey after fifteen YEARS of daily use. I use kratom now and get withdrawals if I go more than eight hours without a dose. Don't get me wrong kratom is harmless and the pros far outweigh the cons and wds are nothing compared to opioids but weed had zero withdrawals and zero long term effects. Let people do what they want as long as they're not actively hurting anyone. It should be completely legal, the government should be kept out of it also. Neither the cartels or the government should be enriching themselves with mj.

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Weed is even worse than alcohol, and that's saying a fuckton of a lot

lmao

so it's about as addictive as a cup of coffee but not as addicting as heroine? Then why make this fucking thread?

Who hurt you?

Actually, here.
lmgtfy.com/?q=Cannabis addiction

Fucking retard.

Absolutely. And sorry, but it is a FACT that more ill health is a result of excessive sugar intake by proportion of those who consume it than of cannabinoids. That's pretty much not about whether you agree or not, but whether you choose to ignore the very real consequences of consumption in excess.

Nothing is harmless.

Your dad when he shoved his cock up my ass faggot

By this logic, everything is addictive. There’s hard science to prove that junk food is addictive, that the internet is addictive, that porn is addictive, that emotions themselves are addictive, that relationships are addictive, that phones and apps are addictive, that video games are addictive, that nearly everything that most people do is addictive. Peer reviewed studies. Plenty of them. Go find them and see for yourself, you can be addicted to anything.

Because cocaine works specifically on dopamine receptors, it’s more likely to be addictive, but as you point out, there are in fact casual coke users, so surprising as it might be to say, no cocaine in and of itself is not addictive. There’s science to back that up as well. Look into what Dr Carl Hardt has to say about addiction. Look into the rat park study. Addiction isn’t what you think it is.

More ad hominem.

Throwing shit around like an ape.

I'm sure you genuinely believe your words make a difference. A testament to your complacency. I can only imagine how much progress we'd make if we all followed your example. shitsmear

he wouldn't have done that if you just let him smoke weed...you just HAD to get him that 12-pack

Nah bro you're projecting, the OP said what he wanted to say. Who even pretends it has no side effects, I get it's a meme and all but I've never met a single weed smoker who thinks that. I'd say most users are just smoking it for recreational use they don't even use it for the medicinal effects and they are fully aware of that. You referring to when people compare it to alcohol, tobacco and other drugs to say the side effects are better?

I enjoy smoking. I haven't smoked in 6+ months. It can be enjoyed without addiction forming. And even so the addictive aspect of it is very minor with no withdrawal effects. Id be willing to say caffeine is more addictive with more withdrawal effects.

The only thing I'd say against pot is that it can build bad stress dealing habits with frequent use.

Just returned from a job interview, got the job

now I wish I could get high and celebrate but I can't smoke weed no more because of schizophrenia, meh

you've never had a job.

Yeah if people followed my example there wouldn't be stoned losers wasting oxygen, and attempting to be pseudo intellectuals through their drug addled delusion.

Fuck off back to plebbit, you drug fucked waste of space.

Not that guy, but some people also get physical symptoms when they think they are ill but actually aren't. Also there's people who can give themselves a panic attack with just their thoughts! That's right no wolves attacking or anything they can literally think their body into failing.
That's why just because you've met a few people who experience physical symptoms doesn't mean it's the weed to cause it. There's also a whole host of other reasons but I assume this will be enough food for thought for you to realise the causation of the physical symptoms isn't the weed itself but the person's mental reaction to breaking their habit. Which can result in physical symptoms for some people depending on a large array of factor's.

Eat shit

RAT PARK STUDY MOTHERFUCKERS.

Read about it. Then Let’s talk about addiction

shitposting is 10x more addictive than weed.

True. Intermittent rewards are more addictive, just like gambling

Not sure if biased or just a butthurt boomer

What if I don't want to be succesful, intelligent and so on. I just want a slow paced life where I can idiotically bumble along, spontaneously doing as I wish. That's my main reason for smoking, the dumbing down, slows my brain down.

instant gratification is the real addiction

When I want to smoke I write a list of things I need to do, I won't do everything I need just a good chunk. I'll only smoke after I've done them. I do this every time I smoke so it's only ever delayed gratification
>checkmate athiest

That doesn’t invalidate his point. He’s right; instant gratification is highly addictive

Your brain still receives instant gratification as soon as you smoke up dumbass

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Wahahahahahahahahaha that's right, boombadoop xD that's why you've got to get a hold of a teensy weensy bit of that weedle-dee-deed! That WEEDLE-DEE-DEED haha oh my goddddddd user haha Jesus man Jesus...

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The incoherent ramblings of a defeated opponent

One is certainly a lot more tangible and worth actual capital if one decides to sell said eighth, again no one's sucked a dick for a rip of whampa.

I'm not even him faggot lmaoooooo you are such a dope on dope xD

We've met different people. It's half and half for me.
Half weed users who are well aware, but I do know quite a few who think weed cures cancer and everything and isn't addictive and treats every mood disorder and all that.

I'm jealous of your crowd if you don't know these people exist.

And no, because I do think weed is better than alcohol. Tobacco, I'm a bit on the fence.
As far as psychoactive drugs go I think it's by far the safest.

by this logic air is addictive, water is addictive

it isn't addictive in the sense that you wont get withdrawals from not having it, will you want it? sure, potentially, and you could claim that's mentally addictive, but its not the same type of addiction as say, alcoholism, or a coke habit, and thats the kind if addictive that you're implying here

You're not terribly wrong but your brain likes consistency. It's not addictive like alcohol or heroine or coke, sure.
But your brain will always freak out if you spend too much time with an altered brain state from an outside chemical and it suddenly changes.

Kind of seeing I just said exactly what you said in different words... Sarry

Bad bait mate, have a (You) for trying though. You'll get em next time champ!

you're all addicted to cock, thats for sure

Weird, where you from? Uk for me, even the people I'd expect to have the miracle drug attitude don't. Like full blown walk around bare foot hippies I'm mates with have their bags full of hundreds of natural remedies because they know smoking weed's not gonna effectively help with much more then, nausea, pain (Only really the kind of pain that ibuprofin targets) and stress induced problems. They will amaze and amuse me with the various shit they pull out to deal with random ailments instead of an over the counter medication.

Read this

Canada. Toronto area.
Recreational weed is legal here now as I'm sure you know, but I think a lot of these pot is a miracle ideals spawned from excitement over legalisation and people just going overboard with reasons to do it.

We had a science panel that have regular talks to the public on the findings and risks and benefits. Goddamn no one watched it. And when the government said 'not good for teenage developing brain' the potheads collectively cried bullshit.

We aren't america and I don't believe we have an education problem, but makes sense.. Europeans always seem a little better informed...

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Been smoking herb for 27 years

I can quit anytime I want.

who cares if its addictive or not;
its fucking awesome

why do you want an authoritarian nanny state

Yeah, I've always known it to be habit forming. Marijuana contributed greatly to the destruction of my life. Just say no kids.

kind of like transexuals are mentally challenged people but we accept them for the abominations they are

Yeah does make sense you're in a legal country. No one ever watches anything interesting in general though, heard of love island? I personally didn't smoke ever more than once every 6 months before I was 18 to avoid stunting my brain development. Arguably shoulda waited till early/mid 20's but I don't care that much.

I lol'd

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>but I don't care that much

Apathy is a side effect of smoking cannabis user

Valid point

Better had you just posted the lyrics though yes informative.

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same with alcohol accept it doesnt kill people
fuck off with this gay shit
just cause you dont enjoy it
sucks for you

you do know that people do become addicted to Ib pro right?

it is not because there is not and addictive substance (molecule), but u can develop an addiction of weed, u can be addict of everything, there is just molecule that create that dependance, and weed dont have any

Yeah I think they're more concerned about regular use with that. You're probably fine. We'll never know.

You can't be an addict to everything, that's stupid. Really really wanting to do something is not an addiction. Doing something over and over because other people absorb the consequences for you isn't an addiction.

no one sucks dick for weed try again. also learn what addiction is

because dumb people don't understand the science behind physical addiction

>dude, i wanna smoke some weed
VS
>I'LL SUCK YO DICK, BAYBEE

We've met different women.

Nice bait, faggit.

I've been smoking almost every day for the last 20 years. Each year I take a one month break to reset my tolerance and to give my lungs a bit of a break.

I might have one or two sleepless nights when I go cold turkey, and that's about it. At the moment, I haven't smoked since new years eve and I literally have jars of weed sitting in my cupboard.

Jesus, fucking is more addictive than weed.

My conclusion: weed is not addictive, it depends on the individual.

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no it proves that is no addiction just board um

liar

You are correct, really wanting to do something is not addiction. Doing something because you can do so without consequences is not addiction.

Developing symptoms of psychological or physiological distress when denied access to something you use/consume/enjoy regularly is addiction. Literally anything you consume can, given the right (or wrong) person, cause a person to develop these symptoms.

So yes, you can be an addict to anything, really. Neurological addictions share neural building blocks with both habit and chemical addictions.

But that does not mean, per the definition of the scientific term, that everything is an addictive substance. Porn is not an addictive substance, and neither is weed.

I am not a supporter of advocating weed as safe or a miracle drug. I think that's as stupid as the people who used to do the same with cigarettes. It should be legalised the same way all medicinal drugs are: with hefty warnings, prescription requirements from medical professionals who know whether its risk is outweighed by its benefit to the patient, and taxation and regulation of production so it doesn't get cut with all sorts of weird shit.

Only true retards deny that weed can be abused. It's also possible to enjoy it safely though, just like alcohol. Being addicted to marijuana is similar to alcoholism. You don't get hooked on it like you would on meth but it can become a problem if you abuse it.

Then you like sucking cock you cum guzzling gutter slut ...you mistake addiction for cock obsession ...Now open up and swallow that seed you sick pig

>they can't even admit it's addictive

addictive as a chemical dependency? NO
addictive as an ingrained behavior pattern? YES

/thread

This 100%.
Knowna few people who say they're not addicted but need a J after waking up and before bed otherwise they can't function.

Sure its habit forming but it does not form physical addictions. I dont smoke week because its a waste of money and time, but OP you just sound like a retarded cunt.

I usually smoke daily but if I can't it's not a big deal to me. More of a habit than addiction

not disagreeing or anything, personally i think weed is better than alcohol or tobacco. but where the hell do you get that much weed? i want to know how the hell anyone on a Yea Forums user budget could get that much

>Knowna few people who say they're not addicted but need a J after waking up and before bed otherwise they can't function.
>Sure its habit forming but it does not form physical addictions
>I usually smoke daily but if I can't it's not a big deal to me
>addictive as a chemical dependency? NO
>addictive as an ingrained behavior pattern? YES

>it does not form physical addictions.
yeah totally that's why I hear stoners bitching about not being able to eat without blazing up and having huge mood swings while sober

stoners are the fucking worst. we should burn all the weed down to the roots and use stoners as the kindling.

better after

I won't bother scrolling through this shitstorm but if no one has said it yet: addictions in general have physical and psychological aspects. Amphetamines are fucking considered psychologically addictive. And cannabis withdrawal is very real.

Did your therapist tell you that?

No it isn’t.

Lol yeah probably because it's fucking bullshit

This must be Donald J Trump, he's the king of saying lies until he gets his base to believe them. I know it's not addictive because I do it every day and I'm not addicted so there

As a guy who quit alcohol, caffeine, coke and crack I can 100% assure you that weed is not addictive and has zero withdrawals.

Around 30% of marijuana users develop any degree of addiction, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

Heroin has a rate of nearly 100%. It creates a chemical addiction in everyone who uses it. Marijuana does not. In fact for marijuana to be addictive in a chemical sense relies of a specific gene that is relatively rare, and so hardly any of that 30% are chemically addicted, but rather have developed a psychological dependency. Heroin addicts are all, without fail, chemically addicted to the point of physiological changes in normal brain function. This is no so in marijuana addicts, who often when treated recover from addiction in a short time and with no lasting physiological effects.

As a guy who quit being a fucktard, I can 100% assure you that you're full of shit

A drug must have some sort of withdrawal to become medically addictive. I am 100% pro pot but I do agree that although there are no withdrawals, people can become reliant to the high it gives them

>has zero withdrawals

Do you dribble when you focus?

>People have such a fucking mental block about Yea Forums that they can't even admint it's addictive. That's pathetic.

I am addicted to weed. It is making me go schizo or something (I misshear a lot) and I still can't stop. My rational part realize I'm doing a mistake, but I just don't care. Maybe because I'm a traumatized child. Ok bye.

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Found the 12yo

Depends how much and which weed but i kinda feel like doing that anyway so it can be a win win

One thing is that you can't compare a heroin/alcohol/opium withdrawal with weed withdrawal.

another very differnt thing is cannabis having NO withdrawals effect.

it has, it is realy bearable, but yet there are. lack of sleep, lack of appetite, angry mood, being unable to focus or concentrate properly.

>Retard who is addicted to weed and probably jerks himself to sleep every night after a bowl

>you can’t compare known addictive substances to one that isn’t addictive
Exactly, It’s all in your head junior, weed is not addictive and has no withdrawals.

Ad hom, good reply.

People that say "bitch made" are normal faggots, get the fuck off Yea Forums u stupid nigger cunt

Physical addiction isn't the only addiction there is, young sport.

or you think gaming addiction doesn't exist?

Smoked 50g of tobacco a week European roll-ups about 20 rollies a day give or take. I went cold turkey I was a total cunt, it was horrific.

Moved across england, no connections for weed, gave up with 0 hassle. Weed is not addictive.

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Having rotten lungs or being an intoxicated loser is much worse than doing neither people that drink beer or smoke should both just kill themselves. I rather have passive stoners around that annoying drunks those just get their teeth bashed in

cope

Did your therapist tell you that junior?

>Developing symptoms of psychological or physiological distress when denied access to something you use/consume/enjoy regularly is addiction.
Nope, wrong again. Feeling real bad if you don't get to do something also is not addiction. These symptoms of psychological distress need to have certain affirmative characteristics before they can be symptoms of an addiction. I know what those are. Do you..?

Doctors are prescribing highly addictive painkillers...pharmaceutical companies are creating drugs so strong that a couple grains can kill 100 people, but what do these children cry about?
>green plant bad and addictive
It’s like Trump derangement, they just have tunnel vision.

Kek at all the little kids in this thread.

>hurr durr weed is addictive.

Probably never smoked in their lives or lack any self control.

painkillers are literally much safer than weed

You’re addressing kids who think they’ll die and have imaginary withdrawals because mommy won’t let them have chocolate cake for supper, they don’t get it.

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And addiction is a real thing. These people are justifying shitty behavior because "muh addiction" but really it's just their own laziness and failure to set goals and prioritize them.

Like everyone in this thread I too was once addicted mentally and physically to being a giant faggot. But through the healing power of Jesus Christ I was able to put down the cock and start living my life again. All it takes is admitting you have a problem gargling balls and we will help you do the rest.

fuck jesus I want to suck cock and do drugs

This is true, and I know what true addiction feels like. Oddly enough alcohol was easier to quit than coffee.

I have a degree in Psychology and am currently working with athletes, you would not even imagine what kind of things people get addicted to.

and yes, weed is addictive.

Weed is addictive bad. I drink liter of vodka daily and I gre

Sure kid

ur not answring hes question tho, is gaming adictive or not?

>it's all in your head
>not addictive

well fuck me then, where are supposed to be located addictive things? in the legs?

I also have a degree in psychology and you have the classic symptoms of a pathological liar

Yes just as addictive as heroin but not as much as weed

Ad hominem :)

No that's where the pee is stored

Medical observation :')

bait

>Yea Forums doesn't know the difference between a physical and a psychological addiction

>Yea Forums doesn't know the difference between a habit and a compulsion.

Here's an idea.

Go do what you enjoy and let others do the same.

Then kill yourselves because you're colossal faggots for even needing to be told this.

I don’t think it is, but I know some pussy safe space transgendered therapists think is is.

Stoner Roastie detected.

>doesn’t understand chemistry of physical addiction.

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I know it's not gonna do a lot of good now but I told Yea Forums ages ago not to fall for the weedjew, now it's legalized in several states. Thinking those states should stop existing, they're all liberal shitholes anyways. Best to cut the rot away early...

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My symptoms are not up to debate, we are talking about marijuana addiction here, dylan.

I agree but with incels added in. We need to kill all these loner incels before they shoot everything up

you know there is a big difference between "I don't think" and the way it is, right?

where do said chemistry takes place?

Adding symptoms of delusion, and defensive paranoia

My basement

Physical addiction is the only one that is caused by the substance. If you found a way to get high that mimicked the effect of marijuana with no chemical similarity, it would appease a neurological addiction, thus the drug itself is not addictive.

I smoked like a chimney, then stopped because i wanted to.
I drank booze like water, then stopped because it was extremely unhealthy and expensive.
i was smoking weed everyday, then stopped because i became a father and wanted my son to grow up in a smoke free environment.

drugs arent strong. people are fucking weak.

>drugs arent strong. people are fucking weak.
my nigga

If quitting is so easy larper then why are you still a faggot.

I've never drank smoked or chugged semen. I'm way better than you

You know therapists make $$ by inventing new “spectrums” that they “treat” you for while they milk you for a fortune right?

Its definitely addictive i smoked weed from being 14 up to 2 months ago im now 37.
The affects of weed are allways nerfed to fuck,after such a long time of smoking every day the affects were terrible.
Paranoia, lazyness, depression the lack of any intrests in others and my self worth.
Two months clean bit i still have the mental cravings my sleep pattern is fucked and so is my appetite.
Every drug has a negative affect upon the mind and body im just thankfull i wasnt one of the poor fucks who develop psychosis.
>inb4 shit grammar and writing skills
Thats weed for you faggots

People with addictive personalities can get addicted to anything. However, marijuana lacks the chemical hooks that most street drugs have.

In the body, not just the brain. Yes an underaged brain can make itself physically sick because they’re not allowed to play mine craft but most people grow up.

to the ad hominem statement. i was just like you at 15, cheers!

>Yes an underaged brain can make itself physically sick

thanks for admitting im right.

Weed us the devils lettuce and basically heroin but you were destined to be a loser don't blame marijuana all that did was make you gay.

You were weak and worthless all along

Your symptoms are worsening

Mentally addictive not physically addictive. Anything that your brain can get large amounts of dopamine from will cause a mental addiction whether it’s weed or caffeine.

It something becomes your source of pleasure and without it you feel low, you’re addicted because your brain is relying on said substance for the dopamine hit.

Physically addictive is when your body is effected. If you don’t get much dopamine off of smoking weed then it won’t have an addictive effect. Example is years ago I smoked it so much I would rather not have any food if it meant smoking it, and when I was on a drought of it, I would google it and lust at the images, however since my psychosis it makes me feel horrible and therefore I could never become addicted to it again.

This is not rocket science guys. Stop being faggots, this is basic stuff

>but most people grow up
Thanks for missing the point kid.

This. OP is retardo and probably addicted due to being a faggot

You realize therapists arent really involved in inventing new spectrums and diagnoses right? Thats predomiately PHD researchers and universities and shit. Therapists dont get together and collude how to make people think theyre crazy in order to make more money when in reality most of them probably already have a full client load.

Caffeine is a physical addiction, weed isn’t. (It’s all in the fucked up heads of underage kids who are going through a dry spell)

So that certificate that says PhD on my therapists wall is fake?

Look up the effects of dopamine on the brain. Again, basic stuff

Ok, still says weed not addictive, but caffeine and alcohol are highly addictive

I vape so it’s not as bad as smoking it, the psychosis thing is for people already on the edge. Weed won’t take a normal person into schizoland.

Alcohol isn't even remotely addictive, people who drink all the time just want to suffer

You’re a spastic lol

So for the people that don't grow up, you are admitting i'm right.

the point here is that you are a fucking idiot hahah.

cite some sources please.

>incels
Incel isn't a thing, you've already been turned.

what the fuck does that have to do with the argument in question?

Incels will wipe themselves out. This is just nature taking its course, the weak don’t get to breed. Good riddance

Spotted the incel!

I think you are referring to the required features of addiction (reward and reinforce). Withdrawals do not need any particular attributes to be considered a part of an addiction besides that they negatively impact the person, that they are abnormal, and that they are capable of driving a dependence on their cause. This can be true of anything, as anything can cause addiction. You really should actually study this stuff before you start spouting off about it.

I have a degree in bullshit
Weed does not cause an automatic chemical dependency in the vast majority of people. It can only cause addiction through psychological dependency which is true of anything, literally anything, that makes you feel good, or by expoiting a certain, specific gene expression. It is not typically chemically addictive, but can be in some people. For this reason it should not be considered 'safec by any means, because without getting yourself fully sequenced and analysed, you have no way of knowing if you are one of the roughly 3% of people who are going to get addicted just because weed is your weakness, and more importantly, because until you have experienced the high, you cannot tell if you are one of the people likely to be psychologically dependent.

So, better safe than sorry, don't do it because it COULD be addictive, or cause an addiction, to you, however it is incorrect to call marijuana an addictive substance. Many, many unregulated compounds found in foods and drinks can cause chemical or psychological addiction, and nobody calls those addictive because psychological addiction is caused by the behaviour not the substance, and the kind of chemical addiction these substances cause is based entirely on your genetics.

It's fucking addictive dude. Get over it.

Welcome to the world of diagnose & treat my naive young friend, it’s how $$ is made.

Invent new “syndromes”
Scare impressionable youth
Make a fortune “treating” these people
Pharma creates new drugs for “treatment”
More $$ made..

blah blah blah.... THC isn't chemically addictive. Coke is. Meth is. Crack is. Sugar is. Alcohol is.

Now get the fuck out of here with your weak ass bait.

It isn’t dude, grow up.

And money is fucking worthless so it's all for absolutely NOTHING, isn't humanity great?

/Thread
You answered op's questions. It's not addicting and theres no withdraws.

This is true for the drugs you listed, whose behaviour and effects can cause an addiction I. Those who abuse it and lack the will to quit.

Now go do the equivalent amount of heroin and quit. Enjoy your vomiting as your body tries to kill itself.

This is the difference boys and girls. Chemical addiction is no joke, weed is not chemically addictive. The effects of weed CAN be psychologically addictive, but you could get addicted just as easily from a different drug with no chemical similarity but similar effects, and you could swap between them and stave off withdrawal indefinitely, meaning it is not the drugs that are addictive.

I'm not from America.

i don't pay a single shit for health care, so no $$'s here buddy, only knowledge and service for the people.

As someone who started out at a gram a week, and now smokes an ounce in 3 days...

Definitely not addictive at all.

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>and now smokes an ounce in 3 days

Jesus fucking Christ

The science is first-hand experience retard. Since youve obviously never smoked you don't understand

"Pharmacologic treatment for psychostimulant addiction is generally unsatisfactory. As previously discussed, cessation of cocaine use and the use of other psychostimulants in dependent individuals does not produce a physical withdrawal syndrome but may produce dysphoria, anhedonia, and an intense desire to reinitiate drug use."

Malenka RC, Nestler EJ, Hyman SE, Holtzman DM (2015). "Chapter 16: Reinforcement and Addictive Disorders". Molecular Neuropharmacology: A Foundation for Clinical Neuroscience (3rd ed.)

Kek faggots arguing about fucking flowers

All this posts and not a isngle source of an article on cannabis not being addictive...

from the same source

"Long-term caffeine use can lead to mild physical dependence. A withdrawal syndrome characterized by drowsiness, irritability, and headache typically lasts no longer than a day. True compulsive use of caffeine has not been documented."

Because people don't study bullshit, faggot

When you have this many pearls, even the swine get some:

"Addiction" is best parsed as carrot and stick, reward and punishment.

There are things you do because you enjoy them. That's the carrot.

There are things you do because you hate not doing them. That's the stick.

Marijuana has a nice carrot and very little stick.

Tobacco has very little carrot and a HUGE mfing stick to beat you with inexplicably for the rest of your mfing life.

Cocaine has a huge carrot, followed by a huge stick.

Basically, if you say to yourself "This isn't doing anything for me", and mean it, and still don't quit fucking doing it, then you're addicted.

To someone with a weak will, anything with a reasonably sized carrot is addictive. This really means they are self-absorbed and their happiness trumps other things, but they aren't physiologically addicted in the same way. Not merely not to the same degree, but their motive forces are of a different quality.

Addiction is being in court, watching your children being taken away, wondering if one of these attorneys would let you suck their dick for meth. It's spending $7.00 on a pack of smokes, taking that last drag as you think "shit's gonna kill me". It's taking a drink knowing - knowing - there's no stopping that train, and you go anyway, and then you make excuses to yourself and the world. Rinse and repeat.

Have sex

It would help your faggot ass calm down. Take their advice.

That's the downside of having enough money to pay for your vices.

A thing only a virgin would say...

And why there are thousands of articles on cannabis being addictive?

Did you overlook the 50+ years of well-funded propaganda put out by every state agency since Nixon?

Might be why.