Universal Basic Income works, and helps eliminate poverty

Wrong. Self-driving tech will take a large chunk of the workforce. AI is moving into customer service. There are 3D printers scaled to print houses

Finland, who are now rolling it back because it encourages people to be lazy neets.

Not only that, but if someone is busting their ass to make x amount of money a month, but because they are taxed to hell, they see they can make x-5% a month without working at all, more people quit, meaning less people pay taxes, meaning the people working have to pay more taxes, then even more people are taxed so much their take home gets closer to the UBI, so less incentive for them to work, and on and on, it cascades.
Also also. Everytime a government tries to redistribute this much money
1. Massive amounts of it are lost in the bureaucracy
2. It often leads to a crazy dictatorship, see: any communist country ever.

I never knew manufacturing was a white collar job. Or OTR shipping, from freight loads to "last mile" deliveries.

fortune.com/2019/02/08/basic-income-finland-employment/

>However, it didn’t have any meaningful effect on the subjects’ employment—compared with a control group, the participants worked an average of 0.4 days more during 2017, and earned an average of €21 ($24) less over the same year.

>That’s a problem, because one of the main points of the experiment was to see if a social security system that used a basic income would give people more incentives to find work than the traditional system.

>“The basic income may have a positive effect on the wellbeing of the recipient even though it does not in the short term improve the person’s employment prospects,” said Kela lead researcher Minna Ylikännö.

Happier but they didn't actually find jobs.

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Sure,... Guess the bosses will be delighted to pay for a bunch of parasite who don't need to work. And even then I guess the gouvernement will equally share it between people. You surestimate the morality of the gouvermnent, those fuckers don't want to make their country great anymore. They want personal gain look at all the corruption affairs plaguing the world. And even then since people will have nothing to do anymore crime will rise up.
You really are to optimist about our human nature. People are out for greed, blood and sex, and they will always find a way to fuck shit up

Wage slavery will just migrate to digital assets and people will scrap over pixels

First of all there’s no PERFECT economic system. We can only chose the one that has the least amount of negative side effects. UBI starts off at a low amount, but Over time the people will demand more and more. It’ll never be enough and eventually the system collapses. By the time it collapses so many people are dependent on it that the resulting chaos is FAR worse than anything we have now. Under our current system the majority of people are doing very well. Even the poor among us are still living very well compared to past generations. Yes there’s outcome inequality which a few suffer because not everyone’s equal. It’s still much better than equal outcome where the negative side effects would effect everyone demonsterpusly.

Ai cant take over customer service.
Self driving tech will never be a thing.
3d printed houses would be too expensive and they aren't up to building codes, and can never be, just a novelty at best.
The ONLY jobs in danger are programming/cyber security/data entry/database/ect shit.

Demonsterously*

Okay, I shall look into this.

capitalism sorts the stupid from the successful.
poverty is not a bad thing.
I'm not going to pay taxes for a fucking crackwhore's eight kids. thanks.

lol great arguments, fuck off you know nothing simpleton

Then do you support abortion? Won’t have to pay for the crackheads babies if she never gets them to begin with

This

It'll never be automated.
The tech will probably never get there to be better then a human, and even if it does, unions and lobbies will lobby for legislation to block it.
It's not happening.
Not only that. We've nearly reached peak tech, processors are harder and harder to make smaller and faster. Same with batteries, and we are running out of rare earth, and other materials.
Enjoy the cushy life while you can, in 50 years there will be no tech and we will be on fire.

Modern cars are already self driving...

>that ad hominem
Let me guess, you are, or hooe to be in one of those fields and just cant accept reality?

As a safety net for the lowest income demographic? Yeah. But your life receives state oversight now in every financial aspect . You take the kings money - You're the kings bitch.

The first two are already a thing.
>inb4 just pretending to be retarded

I bet you just say stupid shit to get replies since you have no friends to talk to

>that ad hominem

Being a fatalistic cunt doesn't make superior you hipster..

Quantum computing is here.

it's like all socialism, it works great! until you run out of other people's money.

Assisted.
There's no public roadway in the US that allows a normal citizen to use a self driving vehicle.
Not only that, the urbanite mouth breathing shut-ins who think its viable are too focused on the easiest way to get from their house to Starbucks to see reality, the reality is there are millions of miles of roads in the US that aren't even on Google maps, GPS maps, ect.
AT BEST, self driving vehicle will be used for piblic transport in SOME cities, no private use.

>Someone who went to community college probably wouldn't be this stupid

It doesn't have to be better, just cheaper.
Workers salary is a huge cost to businesses. If they can do away with the Human cost for somthing that is less efficient it will still make more money.

>getting bribed by the rich so you dont revolt

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Money spent on the poor goes back into the economy because the poor spend all of their money, this leads to a healthy economy.

In contrast the rich tend to save their money, which leads to a stagnant economy.

Money spent on the poor eventually makes its way back to the rich because the rich own all the businesses where the poor spend their money.

Taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor stimulates the economy and ultimately results in an improved quality of life for both the rich and poor.

Trucks and shipping. I dont think you realize what the biggest industry roads are used for is.

Maybe if big corporations & the .1% weren't sitting on multi-billion dollar investments it could be considered, but not in our current state.

Means of production are still owned by the capitalist class, so it's fucking stupid like all of you

They are Assisted driving cars. Now
No roadways allow self driving cars. Now
Those roads aren't on gps. Now

Computers get better and faster every year. There is no reason to think they wont be able to do almost everything we can and better. And that day is sooner than you would like.

No Scandi countries tried it, but Finland did. Finland is a nordic country, but not scandinavian.

But is it ethical to take from rich even though they worked to get it ?
also implying the poor spend only in the legal market seems a bit odd. Where I live the poor tends to spend it on crack and weed.

Not really, but a basic safety web (with an activity requirement) and universal healthcare/education at least partially works.

this ship replaces a bunch of trucks en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Yara_Birkeland

>Prove my claim wrong

gibmedat

Lol @ all the mongols in this thread arguing that refrigeration is just a gimmick, is too expensive, and that the ice man will never go out of business.

Automation will take over everything.
To argue otherwise, is to argue against all of human history. We have constantly and consistently improved technology with the single goal of improving efficiency. I.E. Using as few human hours for a job as possible.

Is it really so hard to believe that there will come a time when jobs for the vast majority of humans simply don't exist?

And when those humans don't have money to spend, who will buy the goods the rich are selling?

Automation is a force for good, but we need to consider the implications of it now, before it completely destroys our economy.

Perhaps not, there is a strong argument that all taxation is theft. But if we do have taxation, then this would seem an important thing to spend that tax on, especially considering that an improved economy helps the rich as well as the poor.

Also one could argue that much of the wealth acquired by the rich is not worked for, and rather is gained simply out of circumstance. There are many poor who are both smart and hard working, but are simply not able to achieve as much due to their lack of initial investment. Is this fair or ethical?

Addressing your anecdote about the poor spending their money on drugs, I've also known plenty of rich drug users, but they tend to be less of a burden on society since they don't have to steal and commit crimes to support their habits. Perhaps spending money on the poor would also help alleviate those issues.

There is another separate but related argument, that if drugs were legalized then that 'wasted' money would also make its way back into the economy and offset some of the costs related to drug abuse. This would seem to fit with your more libertarian ideas on taxation no?

It's called socialism. Get a job NEET.

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It's still working for Alaska

It's been going on for a long time in Alaska

Alaska

Alaska

Why is eliminating poverty a good thing?

>why is eliminating poverty a good thing?
saves the nation money as a whole. More productive work force. Generally happier people.

Want to pay me a universal basic income ?

Sure ! I’ll never have to work again. I’m up for it.

>Universal Basic Income
>More productive workforce

Pick one.

UBI failed in Canada.