I feel the call friends. 6 months sober. Tell me, is absolute sobriety essential to reformation?

God's fake and the Bible justifies self-enslavement. Do not be fooled.

Also tricks

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Tell that to society

There's actually an episode of South Park with a great lesson about alcoholism. If you commit yourself to never drinking ever, alcohol still controls your life. The goal is to learn moderation and control, so that YOU control your life.

I am tho

waking up in the ditch tomorrow morning

>What harm might come from only a pint of whiskey and a night alone
Because it's never just one. Also way too much for one night
If you can't just have a glass or two, then you're better staying away completely.
This is correct

I became an alcoholic in college, went to rehab after almost dying from chugging a 5th of everclear, and now 6 years later I can socially drink no problem. But I've found other things in my life to replace alcohol with, and honestly I'd rather experience life sober, so I'm not really afraid of relapsing.

Slippery slope if you're an alcoholic.

alkies are as addicted to booze as heroin stickers
if you have been drinking to stinken for your own 'longwhile',whether you sez you,can high function,work,etc,,or you get to crawlin nasty puking,,,,,alcky hall in whatever quantity,,cease forever,get sunlight,vitamin D,get healthy,it will take maybe months for brain & nerves to see results of more B vitamins,thiamine, C, and niacin,you may be also prone to diabetes, liver too,some has turned to fat

If youre a former addict. Don't touch it you'll fall right back into old habits. If you're sober for a cleanse, you're fucking retarded go to a bar and do jaegar bombs till you're passed out on the floor

If you think a drink is a good idea while sober, it's going to feel like an even better idea when you're on the path to getting wasted
I say drink though. Life is short and you are going to do anything with it anyways

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You weren't a real alcoholic

based strokeposter

If you can control yourself then don't worry about having one glass. If you have an addictive personality, you should probably steer clear

Take the drink......you'll find out what happens soon enough.

This is a great comment. The only thing I can add was my friend who was a hard core addict could never stop at one or two and it always lead to relapse. My question for you is what feels better, sobriety or being drunk all the time? When are you happier?

So the insanity of the first drink is upon you? Remember, once you take that first drink you've handed over control and there's no telling when/ if you'll ever get it back or what shape your life will be in if you do.
Before you drink take a few minutes to write out - either here or physically on paper - your worst few drunks; that is, a quick summary of the worst/ most problematic experiences you've ever had that involved alcohol. Any alchie likely has more than a few.
Also you really should try hitting some 12 step meetings and doing some step work. Your asking if "absolute sobriety (is) essential to reformation" tells me you haven't got much of a handle on step 1, because the answer is yes. But you can't stay sober for the rest of your life in one day, can you? So just stay sober today and deal with tomorrow tomorrow.
Best of lucc user

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This

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Its okay. It won't hurt . I'm stormed in myself I'll have a scotch with ya

A little alcohol never hurt anybody

Not him, but I'm completely BLASTED out of my god damn fucking MIND MIND MIND MIND MIND! Wahahahahahahahahaha holy cow my fucking MIND is just FUCKED right now holy shit tutti fruition I'm in a fucking high ass condition! Man you gotta get high and jack off! You are a faggot like Bob Saget!

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wasnt about money you belligerent waste of shit in a compost pile

If you hate the person you are while drunk, there's your answer.
If you don't hate the person you are while drinking, there's just no good reason to be sober.

Fuck the 12 step program. There is no research that it works (at least comparred to going cold turkey or other methods) and pushes religion hard.

>being this retarded
anyone who knows fuck all about addiction knows that for addicts the moderation train left the station a long time ago, and encouraging an addict to use in moderation is the most irresponsible and asinine advice imaginable

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If that's the case you just a non-alcoholic person who had a period of alcohol abuse but didn't develop alcoholism. Not uncommon, although all real alcoholics are obsessed with trying to be that person

you're on an online anime forum begging for permission from strangers to self-isolate and binge drink. yes, you need to stay 100% sober until the idea of "just a pint of whiskey alone after 6 months sober" sounds like a silly idea.

I can tell you with 100% certainty if you were to sit at home and drink a pint of whiskey absolutely nothing bad would happen for the first 1/2 pint. The SECOND you are 1 drop below 50%, you will IMMEDIATELY start thinking "shit, I'm closer to the end than the beginning, and this is great, I love this feeling, this doesn't have to be just the pint. It is just for tonight, anyway". At this point you're probably gonna run out to a package store and grab another pint, or, who are we kidding, just get the fifth, right? Cool. Now you have 1/4 a pint left (you had a little more mulling this all over) AND a fifth. Your night is set. You're gonna watch TV or play video games that and it will be awesome.

Until tomorrow morning. You're not gonna be hung over. You're an alcoholic. We don't get those. You're gonna get antsy, cause you felt good last night, you can do that again. Sunday. You can take the edge off the morning. You have all day. Few drinks in the morning won't kill you. You have all day to have a nice mellow buzz and early to bed to catch up for the night before.... it's just this one time....

good luck with whatever you do

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746426/
objectively false, 12 step programs are far more effective treatments than paid rehab programs.
You've probably been to a meeting or two and didn't put in any work so now you talk shit about the program. There's lots of folks like you who do that. That or you've never been and are truely rarted. And if you read any of the literature whatsoever you would know that all the religious stuff is completely optional and can be substituted in various ways even though they still say the 'g" word a lot.

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>only a pint of

You quit because it's never 'only a pint'

Sounds exciting. Being sober has to be the most boring thing ever

IN COMPARISON TO COLD TURKEY, YOU RETARDED MONKEY.

You sound like a real faggot. Learn to be a big boy and take responsibility for your life.

Not an addict, but did attend CA meetings with a friend. The program treated them like failures, and the requirement of dedicating yourself to a "higher power" is absurd. You don't need a 12 step program to have a sponsor or a group you are accountable to.

You said it was about money
How fucking retarded are you?

the two aren't exclusive what on earth are you talking about you nigger... you can quit cold turkey regardless of whether or not you go to 12 step meetings

I've been to a.a and treatment. Both are a fucking joke. Never once did I hear what the root cause of addiction is. Nobody has the balls to talk about it

what's more absurd, using a "higher power" as a thought exercise or drinking yourself to death? And a true alcoholic who continues to drink and live a miserable life is pretty much a failure

Because you lack reading comprehension you concrete eating retard. The poster said when comparred to achieving sobriety via AA or other methods. You just posted a study saying AA works. That wasn't the point. The point was that AA is no more special than other sobriety methods and don't have the religious component

name one

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booze isn't even that good

it was fun when i was a teenager

Because people are not their addiction, and God is not the only way through addiction. You can achieve sobriety through a program that doesn't treat you like a loser and doesn't push a God/Higher power.

>pretending to hate AA when you really hate yourself for not bieing able to get sober
whew lad

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Name one what? Method of achieving sobriety?

Cold turkey, counseling, psychotherapy, medication, non-denominational/relegious free support groups, suicide. Pick one.

if you REALLY don't want to drink, like, REALLY don't. Go to an AA or NA meeting. I'd recommend open speaker. I don't care if you like them or not. I don't. I think the big book meetings are downright laughable a lot of the time, and the steps aren't much better. I don't buy into the "higher power" stuff and their half assed couching it with "it can be /anything/, it doesn't have to be 'god'". I've never actually completed the steps. Court ordered had to go to a TON of meetings. Know what they were good for for me? They meant it was 60 minutes or 90 minutes or 120 minutes of my day I wasn't drinking. That's nothing small. If you drive 15 minutes to a meeting, hour there, 15 home. 90 minutes you didn't drink. Got you out of the house. If you go to a speaker meeting you probably hear at least one quasi-funny old war story somebody had from when they were drinking or using.

Again, not an addict.

Here, watch this its pretty interesting: dailymotion.com/video/x2ifw05

Because it's never just 1 pint and 1 night alone. If you are trying to rationalize 1, you will do it again. I know. This sept it'll be 9 years sober

Hi OP. Good to hear you're on the right track. I went sober two and a half years ago and I stayed sober for one year to the day. Not a drop. I did a lot of soul searching and learned to cope with everything that was uncomfortable, including not drinking but that was far from everything. It was everything else that made drinking palatable for me. I learned to tolerate frustrations and let others make their own, frequently bad, decisions and just leave it be. It wasn't my problem anymore. Now that I'm coping well I have a drink or two every so often, in fact I just had an irish whiskey. I don't keep track anymore but it's probably been two weeks since I've had one. I'm not planning on having another and I probably won't but if I do no big deal. I catch a weak buzz and I'm good, that's all I want now, and I don't need it. Haven't been drunk in two and half years, haven't made too many bad decisions during that time-frame either. If you're looking to down a pint then you're not there yet. You're looking to get drunk. A pint after 6 months sobriety will get you wrecked. And if you really want to get wrecked then reformation isn't really what you're looking for is it? Stay sober some more anonbro.

oh jesus christ an aa cultist...

>And if you read any of the literature whatsoever you would know that all the religious stuff is completely optional and can be substituted in various ways even though they still say the 'g" word a lot.
Been there done that. It's bullshit. A higher power is required. Give up your freewill like a weakling and let your higher power guide you. "Oh great easter bunny please dont let me drink!"

Your timing is spot-on, OP. I haven't had so much as a sip of beer in several months, but tonight on my way home, I just decided, "Fuck it" and stopped off for a fifth of whiskey. Haven't cracked it yet, but soon...
As long as alcohol doesn't control/ruin your life, falling off the wagon once in a while is fine.

Hey man cold turkey and full sobriety (AA method) works for some but not for everybody, but there are other treatments out there which some research suggests are better. Also, even for people who would otherwise find AA helpful, the bullshit religious crap can get in the way. Read up:

theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/

nytimes.com/2014/02/22/us/alcoholics-anonymous-without-the-religion.html

nytimes.com/2015/04/07/upshot/alcoholics-anonymous-and-the-challenge-of-evidence-based-medicine.html

americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/12-step/whats-the-success-rate-of-aa

nytimes.com/2014/05/06/health/the-sober-truth-seeing-bad-science-in-rehab.html?_r=1

Cheers. Or not.

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Why risk it? Why a fifth and not a mini bottle?

A pint becomes a gallon and a night becomes a blackout user. Don't throw six months away. Call your sponsor and find a meeting. I believe you can do that!

I was drinking to the point of intoxication every single night for a little over 10 years, I just got used to it thinking I was normal and clearly had a huge problem. Just last year I decided "or had" to quit drinking due to an upcoming scheduled surgery, so I decided I better clean up at least 30 days prior. After my recovery, I was put on medicine for 6 months "unrelated to my previous drinking habit", so I decided again I better not drink cause then I'd be mixing alcohol with strong drugs.

Sober ever since, however I am now drinking wine in moderation, once a week, really pacing myself and preparing with healthy foods and staying hydrated, then I tell myself "you've had enough" and I put the wine glass back in the cabinet and settle down with some water and a light snack.

Hope this helps someone, but I am also an exercise fanatic now and in tune with my body. The day after even a manageable amount of red wine, I feel the effects in the gym, and my resting heart rate also goes up a little bit.

So it's like this, you know it's not good for you, but you can still enjoy it every once in a while and drink responsibly.

>Why risk it?
I don't see it as a risk. I've never had a drinking "problem", I just take a break for several months at a time so I don't develop any health problems or addiction. This fifth will be the first of many over the course of the summer, and when winter hits, I'll be done again until next summer.

if i'm choosing for you definitely the last option. All of those things are great but htey are all more expensive/ less accessible than

>I've never actually completed the steps
>I think the big book meetings are downright laughable
whew lad

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Cold turkey is cheaper than AA you faggot

by continuing to drink you are giving up your free will completely and allowing alcohol to be your higher power anyways... let that sink in ( you just got BTFO)

>cheaper than AA
aa is free you absolute faggot doublenigger

Right, because driving to meetings cost nothing

yes he was/is.
his experience/ability to change is different for everyone.
i've quit more than a few times.
i'm happy sober, but also happy drinking.
but i'm a creature of habit. if i stop for a week or two, it's easy to stay sober.
runs in both sides of my family. lost a few to it so i'm very conscious of it.

No, by choosing to drink you are exercising your free will, even if you're using it to make a mistake. And alcohol isn't a "higher power" because higher power is a euphemism for God and alcohol isn't God. Let that sink in.

Alcohol is hardly my higher power, I don't require or serve a higher power. I'm sure you've given up your freewill though, as you require a higher power to stay off the alcohol. My freewill is just that, I have the option of behaving like a civilized human without the addiction and I have the strength to do that. As for getting BTFO, it sounds like you've been BTFO by alcohol. I've won my battle with myself, and by extension I've won the battle with alcohol as well. Don't have a drink for me, it would send you into an immediate relapse.

Dubs of truth.
>This imagination is reality, this is reality, this is reality
You can't quit until you want to quit, that's the simplest way I can explain it. I've quit drinking and smoking. Repeatedly. It's never really oger.

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like I said, I was going because they were court ordered and I needed to provide signed slips to my probation officer. If it was an open meeting and I was 4 meetings light for the week I didn't care what kind it was. I wasn't there to get a whole lot out of it. If somebody is pushing "you need to follow this exact process without divergence to succeed" down your throat and you don't fully buy into it, what would you expect to get out of it? Some neat bumper sticker material. Cool, I'll fake it until I make it, one day at a time while I keep coming, AMEN. I'm gonna go ask my higher power why one is too many and a 100 is never enough and to remove my shortcomings.
Dildo.

denial and projecting, the post in two parts

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>I'm gonna go ask my higher power why one is too many and a 100 is never enough

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chug chug chug chug chug

is this your first run at sobriety?
If not, you already know the answer.
me: i'm going to have to stop, and stay stopped.
>it's only a drink with dinner
>it's only a couple at a superbowl party
>it's only every day again
That's my cycle.
You need to KNOW you

more like dubs of youth

which is better: cold turkey or aa?

let's settle this once and for all with a drinking contest

One is as effective as the other. Difference is one doesn't shove religion

Stupid addict. Dont drink cunt.

>which is better: cold turkey or aa?
never did aa, too much "religion"
i usually wean off. cold turkey can kill you

You can keep hiding from the true demons that force your hyper-vigilance and require your regular maintenance user, or you can face down those demons and rise above it. In this life. Either way, I wish you the best in your sobriety and your life, user. We've had the same obstacle and we both know it sucked.

One more thing to add, when I was being seen by doctors for an inguinal hernia repair "surgery", I made it a point to mention my previous drinking habits to everyone, anesthesiologist and even the nurses. When they went in to fix with a mesh, the doctor and his team took a look at my liver because he wanted to check for damage since I was talking about it so much. I had a very fine liver, no scarring or anything. Even my blood tests came back good for the liver and enzymes.

How? I stand by this...MILK THISTLE SUPPLEMENT.

Do your research if you want to try and reduce any damage or potential harm, have you decide to drink alcohol. Here is a pic of what I was taking daily "and still take each morning" even while I was a mess getting drunk everyday 1 year ago.

why dont just smoke weed bro much better for you

>Stupid addict. Dont drink cunt.
another /b knowitall
gonna cure cancer tomorrow too, genius?

Bottle on the left.

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Go to a meeting. Call someone. There's nothing that a drink won't make worse

You're a fucking idiot. It works if you work it, and you didn't work it. It works for millions of suffering people. But I'm sure your anecdotal experience is the best litmus

AA is spiritual, not religious, but I wouldn't expect you angsty neckbeards to know the difference.
I'm atheist. I have a higher power. It's the fellowship. It's knowing I'm not the biggest, best thing in the universe. And maybe I need to talk to someone when I'm thinking about doing something dumb.
It's not God, it's connecting with others. Some are more comfortable calling that godly. It's just short hand.
Either way. AA is not religious, period. If you thought it was when you went, you were looking for an easier, softer way, and you decided your angst was too precious to give up.
AA has three parts: drop your ego, clean your house, and help others. Facts.

Quitting is for quitters

Fucking lightweight

I'm not gonna start a
>weed is less dangerous than alcohol debate
but if you are using a substance habitually to get through the day, you're just trading problems. You can't legally drive high, your work doesn't want you there high any more than they want you there buzzed, you're friends, significant other, family are gonna be just as irritated and pissed if you're showing up to everything toasted instead of with a few drinks in you, letting it be a money sink for you, having it interrupt 'normal" life, etc, etc, etc.

8 years sober here. Don't do it, not worth it. You quit for a reason, and you'll go right back to the bad stuff quicker than you can imagine.

a fucking pint? you got a problem m8

>Never once did I hear what the root cause of addiction is
maybe because there is none
maybe there are many
me, its a habit. one i enjoy until it gets out of hand.
in my 30's i could moderate better.

trust me, it won't be one pint and it won't be one night. you know this too. if you want to drink, just drink. it'll bring the bottom up to meet you

share rehab stories please

No itdoesnt. As has a 17% success rate. I'm sober and it sure as fuck isn't because of aa or treatment.

Imagine taking life advice from those 2 retards who write South Park

pretending to KNOW op through a post on /b
>whew lad

I mean, if you have a serious alcohol problem, you may wanna stay away from the stuff. The problem with addicts is they have a little and it leads to a lot, leaving them essentially back at square one.

anyone who can chug a fifth of everclear is 100% a fucking alcoholic

Neat.

Wow! Your vagina sounds like it's stayed amazing throughout your entire wtfever you said. You're amazeballs!!!

everything is fine in moderation, except meth

loaf slut lmao

>( you just got BTFO)
are you 12?
you had a good point up until that, not one I completely agree with, but a decent argument, then you go all out adolescent.

Penn Jillette has always been very vocal about never having drank or used any other mind altering substances; so i’m not really inclined to trust him on this topic at all

I went 6 months sober because the company i work for sent me to los angeles for 6 months to inspect airplanes. I didn't want to fuck it up. it was okay because i saved a lot of money.

You call it dropping your ego. I call it getting treated like shit and allow the program to brainwash you into thinking you're worthless/useless. You don't need AA. There are other programs that treat you like a human.

>AA has three parts: drop your ego, clean your house, and help others. Facts.
blah blah blah "believe that a Power greater than ourselves" blah blah blah. Facts.

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annnd you sound like a 7th grader

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Which is why the first fucking thing he says is he has no clue what it's like to be an addict or what addiction is. He talks to medical doctors and board trained psychologists who discuss multiple approaches to addiction that are not specifically AA

Don't be a weak faggot. As soon as you decide it's okay to cheat now and have the occasional drink, you start to blur the lines and it only gets worse from there. Your will power will go out the window as you regress back down into "just once in a while.... Just once a week.... Just a drink or two after work..."

You would be throwing away all the good hard work you've done so far. If you wanted to quit half way through, you should've never started.

It would be a highly regrettable decision.
Man up, pull yourself up by the bootstraps and carry on. You'll be proud you did.

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Keep telling yourself that. Addiction is a symptom of ptsd

That undefined word gets thrown around a lot. It's funny that in aa you're not required to make your "disease" (laugh) a part of your identity, but it's custom, to say "Hi, I'm user and I'm an Alcoholic" in an attempt to make everyone who's ever said those words an alcoholic by self-identification. Until you get over your addiction (usually by other more scientific means) and can drink casually again. Then they'll tell you that you were never an alcoholic to begin with because you managed to do that, and alcoholics can't do that... it's some fucked up brainwashing that goes on in there

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The harm comes from the lack of control. The pint of whiskey alone one night is a symptom of the underlying thing that causes harm.

The Bible also justifies sacrificing your son for a bunch of edgy assholes on Yea Forums.

Your move.

Ok, fucker, first you need to answer some questions. Were you a raging alcoholic that couldn't function without the sauce or did you just ""binge"" drink every night? Do you get halway through a work day and think about how you can't wait to get home to drink? Were you productive the next day after a bender? It is all situational so that needs to be asessed.

I agree with 99% of that, but, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If OP is in the US, it being classified as a disease is wicked important to how it can be treated. Nobody thinks you're gonna catch the alcohol disease because you touched a beer can without using protection, nor is it meant to imply Joey has a brain tumor, Jimmy is an alcohol and it's destroying his family, same thing!. BUT, in the US, the way doctors, rehabs, your employer, your insurance company, treat you and it all changes if an addiction is considered a disease. That includes government money spent supporting research and treatment for a disease Vs not.

Enjoy falling back into alcoholism user.

yeah because we should definitely put more tax money towards drunks and degenerates, they got a disease and it needs cured then everyone will live happily ever after

let drunks be useless fucks and kill themselves

just said the classification may be important depending on where OP is. If you don't like it, go vote, write your congressman, or, most effective... bitch that you're unhappy about it to a stranger on a Tibetan knitting board. Also, if you're gonna be mad about that use of what was your money... I have some really bad new about some of the other ways your taxes and insurance deductions are being used.

t. still asks mommy for gas money