Are there any good arguments against reparations? It seems like a pretty straight forward concept...

Continue to suffer due to their own victim complexes and personal lack of willingness to succeed. In reality they should be left to die out. If you really want reparations go back to Africa to the ones who were and continue to capture and sell slaves.

ok mr 1/256th related to someone who was a slave keep pretending your family suffered
If they ever do bringing in reperations, theyd have you have to prove you have at least 50% slave heritage and then itll be fucking hilarous watching the niggers chimp out when they find out only 1 of the greatx7fathers was a slave

every person on earth is descended from an oppressed people at some point in their family's history. should every government determine exactly how oppressed each person's ancestors were and compensate them accordingly? no, and the only reason it even comes into question for blacks is that they are the only ones shameless enough to think they're entitled to it despite being in no way disadvantaged today and in fact have systems that favor them in particular (e.g. affirmative action). do you see irish people demanding reparations from the british government? no, because they're not niggers.

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Thanks for explaining it to me and not just calling me a retard

All the former slave-owners are dead as are all the former slaves. There is no one to give or receive reparations.

I'll give them a free cruise to Africa, how about them reparations.

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They already received the thriving country of Liberia to continue their kingly ancestry

you already said that

They already got em

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>straight forward concept
Oh it's definitely straight forward alright, in the sense that it's a fucking stupid idea and does nothing but divide people even more than they are already, which is what the democrats want

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It's also what the republicans want. Creating a "us vs them" mentality is what political parties do.

Racist graphs and bullshit, made up sources won't change the truth.

If we all chip in they can get a oneway ticket to Africa, they can even pick which country to go to

Sure I'll accept my reperations from the Italians who enslaved the Germanic and Celtic peoples.

You're not impacted by the troubles inflicted upon your people by the Romans. Slave descendants are impacted by it every day.

I agree, user. We absolutely need to find the descendants or national peoples of those responsible for the slave trade and force them to pay reparations to the descendants of those slaves.
How about we start it by who is most guilty?

>blacks in Africa conquered other blacks and sold them into slavery.
So, you can start there. Go to Africa, track down the African tribes responsible, and demand reparations.
>Jews owned and operated all of the slave ships.
Track down the descendants of the Jews who bought the slaves and resold them and demand reparations.
>Less than 1% of people in the south owned slaves, most of whom were of Jewish descent.
Track down the descendants of the slave-owners and demand reparations.
>Irish and other white nationalities/races were captured and enslaved and sent to America.
You need to track down the people who enslaved my ancestors and the people who bought them and get me my reparations.
>white slave trade (especially sex slavery) is still ongoing to this day, because whites are the most sexually attractive race.
When will you step up and help end the white slave trade, user?
>asian slave trade is still ongoing to this day, because asians are the second most sexually attractive race.
Do you not care about Asians being enslaved too? Or is it all about getting money for niggers for you?

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Then you agree we don't need reparations?

Many white Americans in our current country never even owned slaves, as many were immigrants, etc. And due to the fact it's so delayed, it's hard to make those who actually used slavery to pay back. Not to mention some slave owner families died out or are literally dirt poor.

For me, my family is from a lower class European descent when we immigrated to America in the late 19th century, so we dindu nuffin

I agree. All former and current slaves should be compensated

They didn't own slaves, but they benefit from slavery to this day. That's what the bill is for.

I call bull on those facts we would never let niggers live comfortably

I'm glad whites feel guilty enough to feel the need to make up bullshit to excuse what they did.

That's the thing though, the left has absolutely ZERO plans to force niggers to prove they were descendants of slaves. They'll just cry racism if anyone tries to make them do that. They just want to literally give every single nigger in America a free fucking check from everyone else.

Let's concede black people are owed reparations.
How would this play out in practice?
Just a lump sum handed out?
Debt Forgiveness?

We're already on a general trend of acknowledging systematic issues, and what might be more effective is applying those ideas in one vast sweeping government action.
Improving urban areas and public housing, reinvigorating shitty schools, criminal justice reform, intense scrutiny of police departments.

>grammar error in first bullet point
at least try

Those comfortable niggers were above the Mason-Dixon, user.

I'm glad leftist cucks feel guilty enough to self-select themselves out of the gene pool through homosexuality and 'involuntary' celibacy. Your kind are a self-correcting problem.
Here you go, more 'bullshit' facts. Choke on it, Schlomo.

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Yep.

To further this valid point, Democrats only use this campaign promises because it wins then black votes and they know for a fact they will never have to deliver. It's an unachievable hollow promise they can fall back on

You can give a nigger more than what he needs and he'll still be a nigger instead of something more

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There are no grammatical errors there.
That sentence is grammatically accurate for United States English.
t. literal grammar Nazi.

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>a black tobacco farmer name Anthony Johnson
it should say "named"

I didn't own slaves and neither did you, slave owners were a tiny minority and there were a lot of jews in that minority as well, why the fuck make ALL whites pay for em when nearly none of their ancestors had negro slaves? If anything make kikes pay it.

>muh white genocide
t. literal nazi
there is no such thing as whiteness

A lump sum, suspension of racially motivated criminal prosecution and incarceration, and funding government programs to start repairing some of the damage caused would be a good start.

Weird way of spelling NIGGER HATE THREAD EVERYBODY, COME ON IN
Negroes are dumb and lazy, and we're gonna waste money on this lost cause? Please, kike.

You have yet to provide any proof as ro how anyone benefits from something that has not existed for about 200 years now. Really, by your own logic, black people today benefit as much as the evil white man from that same slavery. Seriously, if you wanna play this "tit for tat" kind of oppression olympics, you're looking to just end up chasing your own tail perpetually.

Fuck off, jew.
Here, have a virtual shekel for your efforts.

>there's no such thing as whiteness
Fuck sake, again with this retarded argument, then there's no such thing as blackness, why the fuck should we give sheleks to these negroes then?
>Sargon, do you believe in puddles?

You shouldn't be punished for crimes that you haven't committed.

That's like saying I've yet to provide proof that the sky is blue, or that water is wet. It is self evident.

So me, as a descendant of an oppressed Irish immigrant and some other coerced groups in Europe, should pay others?

Modern day neo-slave owners do it to the descendants of slaves all the time.

I'm all for it. I honestly just wish we could give them one lump fucking sum and then absolutely never have to hear about it again.

Oh you spent all of your money on Olde English and Newports? Oh you bought 200 Maseratis and they were all stolen? Oh you can't make the payments on your mansion? Too bad, we're even.

>suspension of racially motivated criminal prosecution and incarceration
Which is code for "let our monkey pets commit all the crimes they want without being arrested and imprisoned"

How about niggers stop committing crimes first THEN we'll talk

Other minorities end up having to pay the reparations, including Native Americans, because its out of tax dollars. Natives have been fucked way worse than blacks and don't even riot and steal shit as much. Why should they have to pay? Why should Chinese Americans or Latin Americans have to pay blacks?

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Yeah because the barely palpable association you're thinking of to justify your counterargument totally exists

>A lump sum
I'm seeking to improve the black economic sectors, but that of minorities as a whole, such as Native reservations.
A giant handout of money could be distortionary to local economies, whereas I think it would be better invested in improving educational opportunities, perhaps even establishing credit programs under a loose idea of "black banks".

So me, as a descendant of an oppressed Irish immigrant and some other coerced groups in Europe, should pay others?

Sure. Nobody is oppressing the Irish today, and frankly, nobody ever did oppress the Irish in the way that black slaves were oppressed.

Meanwhile, American whites continue to benefit from slavery, rape culture, and systemic racism, every day. Even the Irish. This country wouldn't have the prosperity to keep you in whiskey if not for the CONTINUED labor and immoral use of black men.

>labor
>black men
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>Natives have been fucked way worse than blacks
Is this a joke? When's the last time you saw a black casino? Natives get their own sovereign enclaves, they're one of the most coddled people on Earth, and apparently, STILL they whine.

By comparison, black people are unjustly imprisoned, have their possessions seized, and undergo a thousand micro oppressions every day.

There IS NO comparison.

> then there's no such thing as blackness
False. Black culture in the US is in fact a unique thing because of its highly oppressed history.
As a white person, I can trace my family tree going back centuries, whereas black people in the US can probably never know for sure what tribes of africa they descend from.
Because of slavery, segregation, redlining, etc, the concentrated areas of black people share a universal culture that only comes from the trauma of the poverty and oppression of the aforementioned.

>Nobody is oppressing the Irish today
>Nobody ever did oppress the Irish in the way that black slaves were oppressed
So after British oppression, genocide and furthermore Irish racism, I don't deserve reparations, because our family attempted to escape?
Fuck off racist.
>Hurdur genocide is not comparable to slavery
Fuck off
Actually go fuck yourself racist Nazi.
Bet you hate Jews and homosexuals too.

No. It is not because those are facts. No person alive today benefits from slavery that happened generations removed from their own lives. I'll say it again; by YOUR own logic black people alive today benefit just as much from said slavery, therefore black Americans are owed shit all by any other racial group in America. Deal with it.

>black casino
In da hood evnite, clack, clack mofo.

blacks can't even trace it back one generation....

>Native Americans are properly compensated
Literally millions of square miles of land that was their's, conquested for merica, literally millions killed by colonisers.
Next you're gonna say Jews are properly compensated.

>British oppression
Trying to compare slavery to some Englishmen saying mean things to you, give me a break. This is nonsense.

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Double dubs of truth checked

Is this a black fatherless joke or?

>Hibernophobia never existed
I bet the Holocaust didn't happen either.

Read the bottom. All the sources are there. They've gotten reparashuns for decades. What did they do with it?

They wallowed in self pity, and mewled for more.

>No person alive today benefits from slavery that happened generations removed
They actually do, from the footholds of land ownership, generational wealth, and the white US government.
Black people have never been given a fair opportunity to the keys of the economy and power, and their impoverished state reflects that.

My family on both sides came to the US after slavery was abolished.
Why should I have to pay for something dead white people did that I had nothing to do with, and don't agree with?
I have to pay for something that other people did just because we shared the same skin color?

I'm white

I think niggers owe me money since I can't even go to Krogers at night without being accosted

Fucking moolies

It would be fine if humans weren't greedy bastards that will always find a way to say "not enough". Hell, look at sjws. Apologize sincerely and you'll get lynched harder than if you didn't apologize

Also, it would be more effective to pay the closest ancestors to the originally inslaved as they'll know more about it and how to spend the money in a better way than "oh cool I'm getting paid for being black"

So is the US going to start reparations for the families of Jewish people who lost relatives in the Holocaust because the US refused to save them?

No, that would be fucking retarded, just like reparations for black people

>Never been given fair opportunity to the keys of the economy and power
Are you living under a rock, times are changing

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Lol, so black people are opressed by there own inability to make financially responsible decisions, AFTER they were no longer slaves? So, you're saying black people are not smart enough to uplift themselves? Now who's the racist?

I as a poor white person should pay for former slaves that I neither supported the system they were held under nor held slaves in my genealogy.

You, clearly

>Can
Yeah but no.

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They've already had it...it's called affirmative action.

>American whites continue to benefit from slavery

This is the problem with the American left. You use prioritize hyperbole over making an actual point to bolster your gilded and unproven "argument". In this case, you're almost slipping in that whites are still benefitting from current, ongoing slavery, almost as if it never ended, to subconsciously influence with moral legitimacy. It's a bullshit way of winning an argument. It sounds slick but that's it.

Your actual argument is such broad stroke of a suggestion as to make it impossible to prove. To at all make that a real argument, that modern whites owe everything to slaves, you would have to prove that the majority of American whites would be substantially worse off economically nowadays if slavery had never occurred. An impossible feat, and one that is less likely when you take into account that slaveowners only accounted for 7.4 percent of the population in 1860 and that .1 percent owned more than 100 slaves.

Just stop. You American Libs wave your college degrees and your moral high ground around but, honestly, that's where your arguments often end. Your arguments are no better than the ones made by lay American Conservatives. You use a slightly bigger vocab but you're the same caliber of individuals for the most part. You base your views off of presuppositions that are never analyzed and only serve to as the base logic and justification for what comes out of your mouths. You are the same sheep.

You're joking right? What happened to Native Americans was tantamount to genocide. Can't even compare the two. If anyone deserves reparations it's Native Americans.

No? Barrack Obama and Jay Z aren't indicative of giant shifts overalls.
>AFTER they were no longer slaves?
Ever heard of Jim Crow?
Over Policing?
Redlining?
How about suppresion of the black vote that continues to this day in republican states?
>ou're saying black people are not smart enough to uplift themselves? Now who's the racist?
I'm saying poor communities tend to stay poor, and the rich class tends to stay rich.
Wealthy educated people marry other wealthy educated people, and poor people going to shitty schools tend to make perpetuate that.
The bigotry of low expectations exists for any whites, browns, or yellows in similar socio-economic conditions.

And you seem to think that white people are all just sitting in mansions sipping champaign not working for shit. You do know that there are more impoverished and homeless "white people" in America than any other racial group?

>inb4 muh police brutality/institutional racism

Can't even be bothered to get into why all of this is retarded. A seprate subject for another time.

GIBS US DAT!

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"Black Americans do not need handouts or remuneration. For true reparations, they need America’s respect."
—Ines Mendoua, University of California-San Diego
Straight up, moneh reparations won't do shit in the long term,which is the main reason we shouldn't try monetization, but rather changing social norms, which has some progress in affirmative action.

Ok with me if i dont have to go to diversity training anymore, no affirmative action, no more complaining about discrimination.

If we pay reparations will you dumbasses stop bitching about slavery all the time?

Not the poster, but it's technically different, as they didn't completely annihilate each other, they has devastating conflicts with each other.

>ou would have to prove that the majority of American whites would be substantially worse off economically nowadays if slavery had never occurred
A system set up to benefit them and exclude others strongly cements that yes.
>You American Libs wave your college degrees
We base this comprehensive studies, not one or two talking points on centered around muh white butthurt.
You're an idiot.

Honestly, got a point, if that were the conditions, I'd be for it.

>think that white people are all just sitting in mansions sipping champaign not working for shit
nope

But the whites got rid of slavery in America, does that not count?

So what you’re saying is, wealthy landowners in America, owe their economic status to their great great great great great great great great great grandpapy, who owned a 20 acre plantation with 10 slaves, in 1801????

Hahahaha, wow, redlining? Really? You have no mind of your own at all do you? Tell you what, stop watching John Oliver and Adam Ruins Everything, stop listening to your genderstudies prof. Do some actual research instead of regurgitating tired old talking points that have already been debunked to death. Do all of this and maybe, just MABEY you mite be allowed to sit at the big kids table where the rest of us are trying to move this country forward.

This is some good bait

First, I can tell you that I am miles more intelligent than you will ever be. Second, your overlords looking at statistics through their ideologically tainted lens and then writing a report telling you how to interpret those statistics does not constitute a "comprehensive study".

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Not the same person you are replying to but I gotta say it
>Hurdur completely ignoring the fact that arguments for for and against reparations both are reasonable
>Muh logic and facts
wsj.com/articles/the-case-forand-againstreparations-11553641356

How exactly? Who is holding them back? Who is impacting them negatively? WHO

Let's talk about the Internal Revenue Code and transfer in basis.

Court awards other than punitive damages are without taxable income consideration. Punitive Damages awarded are, however, taxed as Other Income, which is subject to standard individual tax rate payment.

This being the case, there is no transfer basis in these damages, only to the extent that Punitive Damages earned but yet constructively received by an individual prior to their death are receivable as IRD
(Income in Respect to a Decedent) to a dependent or relative.

Damages for large familial separation would be difficult to transfer effectively. There is no step up basis in IRD, and as standard income items these winnings would be subject both to taxation and penalty for failure to pay.

If the assumed period of damage is prior to emancipation, then original winnings would be to those enslaved individuals at that time, and evenly split between all decedents. Other Income, Penalty, Interest, and Fees would be due only to those with a provable ancestor and clear line of succession.

Being awards and delinquencies for a period of centuries, the award amounts would easiest be disbursed as monthly allotments.

If this seems convoluted, well, it is the only way that is fair.

Well. Fair.

>
>Reparations for slavery is the idea that some form of compensatory payment needs to be made to the descendants of Africans trafficked to and enslaved in the Americas as part of the Atlantic slave trade.
well then the jews would be the #1 as they where the dominant slave traders

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Essentially and broadly, yes. Native land stolen, blacks enslaved to maintain it, and the centuries long steamroll of eminent domain that was further exploited by John D Rockefeller types.
Under that system, a white person wouldn't have to worry about being denied loans from a bank, be sergrated to certain areas of a town, be the scapegoat of racist communities, or be at the mercy of police, often under orders or at least taccid approval governments owned by privileged whites, where also white oligarchs influence government far more than the common citizen.
>Tell you what, stop watching John Oliver and Adam Ruins Everything, stop listening to your genderstudies prof.
Got news for you: none of that shit is part of my life.
So much irony in your post, and I imagine most of the "debunking" you refer to came from some dipshit youtube skeptic or /pol/ jpg.

Please explain WHO is benefitting by owning slaves today. WHO

The problem is everyone calling for reparations is not explaining who owes them. Name the persons who owe. WHO

If you're basing the justification on the fact that white Americans have benefitted from slavery, and you frame it in those terms, as dipshit would surely agree with, I cannot and will not get behind it for the other reasons I stated. If it is something along the lines of "black people are owed by the nation itself and it would benefit the economy in the long term for these reasons blah blah" then I might listen.

This whole, "white Americans would have not near the level of success if it weren't for black slaves" that I hear about every once in awhile in connection to reparations is bullshit, racially divisive and irresponsible coming out of the side of the aisle that portrays themselves as intellectual and responsible. It's also just plain old not healthy for race relations beyond being hypocritical.

I mean it might be straightforward
But niggers LMAO

I'm not the reparation lib mother fucker

>First, I can tell you that I am miles more intelligent than you will ever be
Smart people typically don't need to say they're smart.
> looking at statistics through their ideologically tainted lens
muh post modern neo marxistfemanaziLGBTQ's?
kek
have a *tip*, suck my dick, and enjoy your evening.

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This system sounds good though

In other words, I agree with what you are saying and my words were directed at

>Bardock obunga and JayZ are the only examples of social change
Are you cognitively retarded?

>Rich class tends to stay rich
Sounds like we should overthrow the bourgeoisie to me, not this pussy reparation shit.

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>Smart people typically don't need to say they're smart.

You're a spout of hackneyed ideas and cliches

Yeah I like to look at both sides as well and I was just clarifying that I am open to a non racially motivated set of reasons for reparations.

I was only talking about my intelligence in relation to yours.

Glad to meet a reasonable person here

Fuck those people. I don't owe them shit

you should be a leader of that

go flex your big wrinkled brain somewhere else.

There are far many more descendants of white pale who fought to end slavery than there are descendants of white people who owned slaves.

Also, due to immigration, many black people in America aren't descendents of slaves and many white people who live in America today had descendents who weren't even in America yet.

White people just paying black people doesn't really solve anything and it cheapens the history of what black people went through.

.....I don't understand any of this.

Trips of truth

>white pale who fought to end slavery than there are descendants of white people who owned slaves
ahahaha bullshit sneaky numbers.
You're not accounting for the white people who fought in our Civil War at the behest of slave owners, those that were complacent, and the perpodence of racists politicians who structured society.
Believe or not, there's still people in the US today who hate the 14th amendment, who can't stand that civil rights happened, and who experienced a collective psychosis when a black man became President.

Why are idiots still replying to this thread? It's obvious as fuck this is bait and any real argument being made OP ignores it. Just stop replying to this.