They teach easy to understand material. They don't have to learn new HARD skills such as how engineers and cs guys have to.
Micromanagement is minimal (no one watching you 24/7 while you actually teach. Maybe once in a blue moon and even then, only for like 10 minutes). Their jobs aren't fast paced either. They get to sit all day as well. Most importantly, it is NOT PROFIT DRIVEN in the sense that you don't have to squeeze out your life force as much as others do on a daily bases.
Teaching is the easiest job ever (and no, I'm not "hating". It's just a fact).
Why the fuck do I see people complain everytime I state this fact?
I'm becoming a teacher. It's easier than a general labor job. Easier than a truck driving job. Easier than engineering, cs, nursing, trades, etc. AND they make a lot too in certain states.
>b-but those rotten kids! They are toxic!
Oh, shut up. Most jobs are toxic. Kids are nothing.
Beeing your whole life around little shit LOL Start to jerk off to there instagrams profils
The Pepe is good though
Lincoln Ross
yeah ive always considered going into teaching for this reason, my aunt teaches primary school kids and says its not too bad
Jacob Anderson
They spend that time off planning for lessons almost 24/7
Eli Sanders
LOL it's probably not, I felt the same way when I got my first teaching license in 1999. People really are this arrogant when they're young. I said similar shit. Thank the lord dejanews let us one-time bulk delete usenet posts.
Logan Watson
Be real. 3 fucking months off. Stop whining. What other jobs have you had? Seems to me you lack the context I speak of. If you had other jobs, you'd see how shit they are compared to teaching.
They are probably given some rough idea on how to spread the work. And if applicable, are given a book with answers that also show how to solve a problem (such as with math).
It's also EXTREMELY repetitive. Maybe the first yr will feel weird and uncomfortable, but after that, you can basically regurgitate what you teach forever and ever.
Jace Moore
I wouldn't say the pay is great. And the irritation factor is pretty high. Plus as a new teacher, wouldn't you be forced to go to bad schools to teach, where the students would shoot you?
Ethan Green
>I wouldn't say the pay is great. Depends on the state. My state, they make a lot.
>And the irritation factor is pretty high. Same with all jobs really. Another thing to note, people that work in education have the lowest suicide rates. The job is probably waaay less stressful than other jobs as for one thing (a huge thing), it isn't fast paced/profit driven.
>Plus as a new teacher, wouldn't you be forced to go to bad schools to teach, where the students would shoot you? Not sure how teachers are dispatched.
Ian Evans
I have thought about teaching, but definitely at the community college level, not grade school. I'm thinking that might be better for some reason.
Jackson Walker
I want to teach elementary or middle school. Reason being I feel I would get too nervous with people a bit too close to my age range. I wouldn't get nervous in front of some kids.
Jaxon Parker
Hopefully you're female. One offhand remark and you could be labeled as a molester.
Men in "helping" professions are heavily discriminated against and are guilty until proven innocent.
Jaxson Foster
Obviously you are not a Teacher and know nothing about the profession.
They are supervised by the Principle and Vice Principle who are supervised by a School Board and Superintendent. Subject to City, County, State and Federal regulations including mandatory reporting. Teachers often do NOT get the summer off as classrooms must be cleaned and often relocated to adapt to class size.
You will learn all this when you finally get out of middle school.
Carter Thompson
They also get paid jackshit, and have to put up with peoples dumb, disrespectful spawn. There’s ups and downs to it.
Gabriel Foster
>incel logic
Nicholas Davis
Just checked, around my area, pay is under 50k. That's not great
Justin Bell
Kek >They are supervised by the Principle and Vice Principle who are supervised by a School Board and Superintendent.
Is that why I've NEVER seen them actually watch teachers inside a classroom? They don't get MICROMANAGED. If you had any other job, you would see how RARE that is.
>Teachers often do NOT get the summer off as classrooms must be cleaned The fuck? That's what a school janitor is for. >and often relocated to adapt to class size. Relocated doesn't affect time off. What the hell??
>You will learn all this when you finally get out of middle school. That's rich. When you actually get a job outside of teaching, you'll see how easy as shit you had it (assuming you're even a teacher)
Jonathan Long
It's a real thing and one of the reasons that men stay away from the field and other related jobs.
Caleb Torres
Depends on the state. They average 80k where I live and where I live, median pay is barely a little over 19 an hr (~36,480 a yr for all occupations). They make a hell of a lot more than most jobs around here.
Austin Perry
Those who can, do.
Those who can't...
Sage
Lincoln Perez
Teachers only work 9 months, but they only get paid for 9 months! They have to teach summer school or find other jobs or starve. Funny thing: Banks like mortgage payments every month. So some teachers opt for their pay to be spread out over 12 months. Of course then you get less every month. So don't plan on ever having 3 months off.
Compared to fast food or retail, the pay is good. Compared to a lot of other jobs that require just as much college, the pay is lousy.
Then there is the legal aspect. I know of a PE teacher who got sentenced to 300 years in prison for tucking in elementary kids shirts for flag football. If you are male, this is a hazardous occupation.
Blake Adams
Just study you fucking retard, it isn't hard. You are just lazy.
Gavin Sanders
Not him, but I believe it. Fuck it, I don't care. I don't know what the gender ratio is, but from what I remember in my time in k-12, it seemed to he pretty evenly matched at 50/50ish tho. Maybe that's wrong, idk.
Luis Green
They're fucking stupid if they can't manage their savings throughout time off. As a commercial carpenter, I have plenty of time when I'm laid off, especially during the winter months, I don't forget that fact during the months I am working and overspend like some kind of retard.
Ethan White
>Teachers only work 9 months, but they only get paid for 9 months! They get a salary equal to that of other professions that work 12 months. If they aren't stupid with their money, they don't need to work 3 more months. >They have to teach summer school or find other jobs or starve. Funny thing: Banks like mortgage payments every month. Read above. >So some teachers opt for their pay to be spread out over 12 months. Of course then you get less every month. So don't plan on ever having 3 months off. Uhhh budgeting isn't anything crazy. Just spend the 9 month checks as if they were 12 month checks. It's not hard to budget.
>Compared to fast food or retail, the pay is good. Yes >Compared to a lot of other jobs that require just as much college, the pay is lousy. Not really. Depends on the state. Where I live, they average 80k. That is waaaaay more than what most jobs pay where I live. >Then there is the legal aspect. I know of a PE teacher who got sentenced to 300 years in prison for tucking in elementary kids shirts for flag football. Easy. Just don't touch people. Also sounds like a HUGE larp, but whatever. Let's pretend it happened. >If you are male, this is a hazardous occupation. Not if you don't touch kids.
Lincoln Lopez
Teachers in my area average 60k, cost of living is DIRT cheap. They DO get their summers off. Most have an extra job 'because they HAVE TO! How else can I make ends meet?!' and they school supplements you for doing extra curriculars for students, so most of the high school teams coach or invent a club or something, to get 65k a year. You can build a nice house around here for that... If you're upset that your job doesn't pay enough, move somewhere that it does. A lack of people to do a job in those areas, is the best way to drive those 'teacher strikes' in the direction of progress, instead of all you idiots being like 'i'll do the shittiest version of my job cause someone has to...' FUCK. THOSE. KIDS.
They will learn, with or without you. Think about your own education. You had maybe THREE teachers that you felt made any kind of real impacy on you.
Jackson Jenkins
>just study! You need a bachelors to be a teacher so... wtf? I am saying it's more chill than most jobs out there and the pay is good too.
Lincoln Bell
This
Ian Clark
In my state btw. I know other states want a masters, but in my state, it's a bachelors plus teaching credential.
Carter Thompson
Hey easy there, cheesy, I'm just saying that 40-something just doesn't pay the bills in my town.
Ayden Edwards
No idea what you’re talking about. Married to a just retired teacher of 32 years. Pay was crap. Paperwork 7 days a week. Spending personal monies on needed supplies. I could go on.
Gabriel Baker
Maybe what your missing is context.
COMPARED to other jobs, it's easy. Paperwork? Easy to grade. Money on supplies? The pay they get more than offsets what they pay for supplies. Crap pay? Depends on the state, but safe to say most jobs pay even crappier.
Jason Bennett
Sorry but I have an issue with the whole bitching about paying for supplies. Most tradesmen pay for their own tools and (used to) write it off on their taxes at the end of the year. Are you telling me that teachers don't do the same? Come on.
Benjamin Sanchez
Op here. Where I live, since teachers average 80k and work 9 months, that's the equivalent to making 55.55 an hr. Most jobs don't pay ANYWHERE near this.
These are facts. Not just grading papers. Progress report on every student. Lesson plans. There’s your micromanagement. Getting re-certified every 3 years. I know I took the bait but you are an idiot.
Leo Hughes
Can't imagine why any guy would want to be a teacher anymore. One accusation is all it takes and kids are savvy enough to know this. Plus education schools are really nothing but indoctrination camps. And except for some private schools you can't teach without education degree. No plaice requires towing the party line with regards to "THE GAP" more than public schools.
Samuel Cox
Again, you miss context. You are IGNORANT on how difficult most jobs are. Mayne You've never had a job so you'll never know.
Also, that's not fucking micromanagement. Maybe google that word. Micromanagement is basically when a superior breathes down your neck throughout the whole day.
Guess what? Most of the day, someone isn't breathing down a teacher's neck so WRONG again.
And AGAIN, their jobs are intelectually easy. That paper work they deal with is BASIC to understand.
The only idiot here is you.
Dominic Smith
This nigga knows it
Jaxson Nguyen
The last year she work teachers were only allowed to write off $250. That would cover maybe 2 months.
Parker Ramirez
Nigger factor
Julian Barnes
If I had to become a teacher, as a guy I'd be the coolest professor just to make sure those little shits don't ever have a reason to begrudge me. Everyone passes and they get answers to the exams
Christopher Harris
You'll be dealing with niglets
Oliver Lee
>Can't imagine why any guy would want to be a teacher anymore. I already made a case above. >One accusation is all it takes and kids are savvy enough to know this. Ya no. How often does this even happen? Give me a percent.
>Plus education schools are really nothing but indoctrination camps. I don't disagree as most of school = useless GE classes that teach no skills but whatever. I want the easy money.
>And except for some private schools you can't teach without education degree. I addressed this already >No plaice requires towing the party line with regards to "THE GAP" more than public schools. Not sure what you mean here
Kayden Jenkins
Deal with niggers asshole
Leo Hernandez
Niggers
Elijah Morales
Lazy nigger
Nathan Myers
Fuck niggers
Daniel Brooks
Lmfao, 80k. right, kiddo.
This thread is you whining because you're really a neet.
Kill yourself
sage
Michael Diaz
>mfw there are people who are actually dumb enough to think teaching is only work in the classroom
Simple, just don't live in some shithole where nigglets are an issue.
Blake Gutierrez
Nigger
Evan King
Op here. That's my strategy when I become a teacher kek. Just be a nice guy and try not to make tests too hard. Make study guides too, stay after school if they need help, etc.
OP probably works in some shitty factory because he possesses no applicable life skills.
Fast forward 5 years to when this retard starts teaching:
>nigglets everywhere >losing his mind making lesson plans >makes roughly 35k/yr
Pretty good bait if you aren't a complete psesudoscientist
Juan Thomas
These are the fact. I watched this for 32 years. Why anyone would become a teacher is beyond me. It’s is probably one of the most stressful and thankless jobs there is. Personally I spent 30+ years in I.t. A breeze compared to hers. Plus almost double the pay.
Robert Morgan
I feel bad for you if you actually think pulling shit off google like this represents accurate data.
Isaac Sanders
Keep projecting, faggot. Also
Hudson Fisher
They do, or they wouldn't spout that bullshit about three months off. That's when teachers prepare lessons and deal with their mountains of paperwork.
That aside, it's tons of hours in your regular time, the overtime alone should give you that time off. You also not only have to deal with the little shits but also the parents that made them this way, and you can't give them detention, but they probably can get you fired.
Nathaniel Green
Keep in mind that's pre-tax and cali,where in some areas they have to pay them a crapton just so they can survive because the cost of living is ridicolous, which distorts the average.
Andrew Butler
3...months...off
Not... profit... driven...
Easy.. work..
80k average....
Turns to 55.56 an hr when you calculate it (in this state)
You make 111 an hr? Even if not larp, don't care. Pretty sure for IT you have to constantly improve yoir skillset or be laid off.
Thomas Lopez
go be a fucking teacher then OP and stop crying
Connor Ramirez
How is that any form of a projection?
You neckbearded cucks think you can just waltz into a school earning 80k STARTING?
You have a rude awakening ready for you. If i was you, I'd stay at the dildo factory/
Christian Jackson
Okay. Let's just say 60k. That's still 41.67 an hr.
William Adams
How is that projecting?? Here: >probably works in some shitty factory because he possesses no applicable life skills.
>You neckbearded cucks think you can just waltz into a school earning 80k STARTING? Retardo. I NEVER said starting. I said that's what they AVERAGE. Go back to school. I'll teach you how to read properly.
Brody Evans
If you spent half the time trying to be a teacher instead of calculating your fantasy earnings you might have just earned yourself 50k by now. Also don't forget to add your old friend tax in there. you're pulling figures that are from tenured teachers who have received raises
Enjoy paying out the ass for everything in California where they NEED salary bumps
Jack Garcia
>They do, or they wouldn't spout that bullshit about three months off. That's when teachers prepare lessons and deal with their mountains of paperwork.
Wrong. 3 months off is 3 months off. It Doesn't take 3 months to make a plan. Not only that, but it is repetitive as well.
>That aside, it's tons of hours in your regular time, the overtime alone should give you that time off. What, becauseyou have to grade some easy as shit papers? Big deal. >You also not only have to deal with the little shits but also the parents that made them this way, and you can't give them detention, but they probably can get you fired. "Probably get you fired" based off of??
Brayden Turner
You even yourself claim to be micromanaged and keep whining that teacher's tasks are easy not spending one day in a classroom.
Sounds like you work in a factory, dumb faggot - get a degree.
Jaxon Taylor
>not sure if troll >not reading entire thread to find out
OP, read the book the Leipzig Connection. It's short, you can find it online for free. It explains the reasons behind the points you bring up, and what caused the steep decline in the public school system after the early 1900s.
Curriculums are designed to train children in the same ways domesticated animals are trained. In theory-it instills obedience, and to not question authority. It enables information to be parroted. And most importantly, it acts as a daycare so that children's families can work.
Public schools are essentially drone producing factories, where children are sorted into predetermined cliques, mandated to follow arbitrary rules, and are required to regurgitate irrelevant information. All to be prepared for a life of servitude in unfulfilling, tedious jobs; and to produce future generations of drones.
You do indeed get taxed a lot, but everything I said still stands. It is still lile making 55.55 an hr (just that taxes take a lot from it).
Thing is most jobs in california don't even pay well to begin with. 78% of fulltime workers live paycheck to paycheck, 19% poverty rate, 50% of renters spend over 30% of their income on rent, 62% of jobs pay either hardship (30%) or livable wages (32%).
Teachers have it better than the grand majority in this state.
Cooper Collins
Using $60k has her yearly salary she made $16.50 an hour the last year she worked
Carson Wright
>It Doesn't take 3 months to make a plan. You still need to prepare lessons (in accordance with ever-changing guidelines you have to follow), and you need to do your paperwork. It's not just time off. > What, becauseyou have to grade some easy as shit papers? Big deal. It's not about the papers being difficult. It's because it's a whole fucking lot. A ton of easy papers is still a ton of papers that you'll spend hours on. Hours that no one pays for because "you get 3 monts off looool". > "Probably get you fired" based off of?? Based off what every teacher will tell you. Crazy parents are a threat to you, because they'll happily take their bullshit to the district and media, and you aren't free to set the record straight at leisure, and your boss doesn't want trouble and will take their side so he keeps his job.
Daniel Wright
>If you spent half the time trying to be a teacher instead of calculating your fantasy earnings you might have just earned yourself 50k by now. What are you talking about?? Most jobs don't even pay that to begin with wtf.
>Also don't forget to add your old friend tax in there. you're pulling figures that are from tenured teachers who have received raises Yes. Doesn't matter. They STILL make more than most workers in california. Point still stands.
>Enjoy paying out the ass for everything in California where they NEED salary bumps Read above. They still have it better than the majority.
Ayden Reyes
It's making $55 an hour and then NOT GETTING PAID FOR THREE MONTHS according to your calculations. Fuck off.
Carter Campbell
>You even yourself claim to be micromanaged and keep whining that teacher's tasks are easy not spending one day in a classroom. How is that the same as being a "factory worker"??
That is literally how most for-profit companies are run. Maybe if you actually WORKED you would see that.
>Sounds like you work in a factory, dumb faggot - get a degree.
What the flying god damn fuck do you THINK I'm doing, idiot?
You NEED a degree to be a teacher in the first place.
Jonathan Gray
I don't have to read that book because I actually already agree with what you've stated. I know schools are inefficient as they emphasize GE classes too much. I know it's more of a way to indocrinate people and have them bee good worler bees rather than to "educate".
I know. I still want to do it for the money plus overall chill working conditions. I'll give them advice too anyways.
Chase Bailey
>It's making $55 an hour and then NOT GETTING PAID FOR THREE MONTHS according to your calculations. Fuck off.
THAT'S WHAT I FUCKING BLATANTLY STATED YOU ILLITERATE FUCK
Jesus fucling christ, what a retard.
YES. I FUCKING STATED it's working for 9 months for 55 an hr while not having to work for 3.
It's still a SHIT TON OF MONEY FOR THE HOURS WORKED.
What an idiot.
Leo Myers
Yeah, let's just ignore that you can't stop working after 8 hours, and that your bills don't stop after 8 months, and that this salary is clearly distorted by the insane money thrown around in the bay area.
Piss off.
Jackson Davis
>You still need to prepare lessons (in accordance with ever-changing guidelines you have to follow), and you need to do your paperwork. It's not just time off. Again. Shouldn't take 3 months.
>It's not about the papers being difficult. It's because it's a whole fucking lot. A ton of easy papers is still a ton of papers that you'll spend hours on. Hours that no one pays for because "you get 3 monts off looool". Uhhh big deal??? I really wouldn't give a shit about doing mindless work.
>Based off what every teacher will tell you. Give me actual stats. >Crazy parents are a threat to you, because they'll happily take their bullshit to the district and media, and you aren't free to set the record straight at leisure, and your boss doesn't want trouble and will take their side so he keeps his job.
Again, give me stats. How often does this happen? If no stats, then mute point.
William Smith
Sorry, but everyone deals with niggers friendo. In America, it's almost a past time, and a rite of passage
> Again. Shouldn't take 3 months. It will, or it will take another couple hours every day during the year. A years worth of lessons has to be developed at some point. You can do it in the three months or you can just not sleep during the other 9. Your pick. > Uhhh big deal??? I really wouldn't give a shit about doing mindless work. Do you also not care about 12 hours per day plus work on the weekend while being paid for 8 hours? > Again, give me stats. How often does this happen? If no stats, then mute point. Yeah, of course this is something anyone can possibly develop statistics about. Don't be a fucking moron. Also, it's "moot", please never be a teacher. >Uhhh big deal??? I really wouldn't give a shit about doing mindless work. You should
Colton Richardson
You don't have to touch them. You don't have to do anything. All that needs to occur is an accusation, even a 3rd person account, "Jenny said, Mr. user said..." HAS to be addressed. Until it is addressed, the teacher is removed. And as it stands unless the teacher can absolutely prove the accusation is false they can't go back. Almost every major school district will have a "Downtown" room in some public non-school building. As an accused teacher you get paid as long as you report to the "Downtown" room. Technically most teachers can't be fired without some proof of malfeasance, so the "Downtown" room is where teachers in this legal void get to spend their days. I can give you plenty of anecdotes from teachers I know which you won't believe anyways but "percentage" of student false accusations isn't really something with readily available stats.
If you don't know about THE GAP you really are naïve when it comes to the teaching field. THE GAP, and I write it in all caps because that is the way education perceives it, is the difference between white academic achievement and minority (black & Hispanic) academic achievement. Removing THE GAP is literally a cult obsession within education, and as a teacher it will be on you to accomplish this. THE GAP is even an issue in college (I taught university for 23 years) although your career there s more dependent on "show me the money" with grants than teaching results. Still I got called to the mat a couple times about some unbelievably generous Ds handed out (why didn't so-and-so get a C? Because you're against handing out the F they deserve?). You'd be surprised how many students I saw midway through college who could barely read at elementary school level and had no concept of basic mathematical principles. Had one who was a junior who had passed through algebra and he didn't know what a parentheses stood for.
Grayson Watson
>Yeah, let's just ignore that you can't stop working after 8 hours, Average american works 47 hours a week anyways. Difference is this is easy as shit. >and that your bills don't stop after 8 months If you're not a retard, you can budget.
>and that this salary is clearly distorted by the insane money thrown around in the bay area.
And yet even if we low ball the average to say 60k, that's still a fuckton of money for 9 months of work COMPARED to most jobs.
Retard. Get BTFOd again.
Angel Perry
Lmao i bet you just failed some of your HS classes
Hudson Morris
>Average american works 47 hours a week anyways. Difference is this is easy as shit. Keep judging from afar a job you've never worked. There's a reason why most teachers drop out very fast. > If you're not a retard, you can budget. If you're not dishonest, you'll divide a year's salary by a years hours. > And yet even if we low ball the average to say 60k, that's still a fuckton of money for 9 months of work COMPARED to most jobs. I see you're still dishonestly ignoring the crapton of mandatory overtime.
Jonathan Green
You think this might relate to the increasing number of things collapsing for no apparent reason?
Ian Cook
>It will, or it will take another couple hours every day during the year. A years worth of lessons has to be developed at some point. You can do it in the three months or you can just not sleep during the other 9. Your pick.
"Not sleep if you plan it along the way" lol the exaggeration.
>Do you also not care about 12 hours per day plus work on the weekend while being paid for 8 hours? Nope. Doesn't bother me.
>Yeah, of course this is something anyone can possibly develop statistics about. Don't be a fucking moron. Don't be a retard. I don't believe dumbass claims without actual statistical data to back it up. It's called not being a dogmatic dumbass like you.
>Also, it's "moot", please never be a teacher. Big fucking deal. Pic related. >You should No, I shouldn't. Sorry.
Not my problem they were stupid all the way through college too. That's a professor's problem m8ty
Nathan Reyes
>Until it is addressed, the teacher is removed. When has this EVER happened? Removing a teacher based on an accusation alone? Prove it.
>And as it stands unless the teacher can absolutely prove the accusation is false they can't go back. Prove it. Cite a source that showed this has happened.
>Almost every major school district will have a "Downtown" room in some public non-school building. As an accused teacher you get paid as long as you report to the "Downtown" room. Okay so you get free money. Even IF it happens, that's free money.
>Technically most teachers can't be fired without some proof of malfeasance, so the "Downtown" room is where teachers in this legal void get to spend their days. I can give you plenty of anecdotes from teachers I know which you won't believe anyways but "percentage" of student false accusations isn't really something with readily available stats. Well anecdotes don't mean shit to me. If it happens 1% of the time in say every 5 years, should I care? No.
>If you don't know about THE GAP you really are naïve when it comes to the teaching field. THE GAP, and I write it in all caps because that is the way education perceives it, is the difference between white academic achievement and minority (black & Hispanic) academic achievement. Removing THE GAP is literally a cult obsession within education, and as a teacher it will be on you to accomplish this. I would just do my own thing. I don't care about political bullshit.
Blake Peterson
teaching is a great job. who knew
Cooper Carter
>failed highschool >wants to be a teacher Do you even hear your logic?
Jaxon Ramirez
I'll bite as a fresh educated teacher.
Yes the job is easy per se, I will not disagree. Yes the 3 months off is somewhat unfair.
However I will tell you this; all the rules and regulations that come with school really can weigh a teacher down, as you always has to think through what you're saying and what you're doing. Other colleagues however, is the biggest downside of the profession, let me elaborate;
If you want to become a good and liked by your students, it will most definitely be at the expense of your relations with your colleagues. Lets say you give the students some free time because you felt like rewarding them for studying good, or it was nothing else to do or whatever. You will be seen as the cool teacher, but your colleagues, who of course follow the rules, will not necessarily do the same, and you might make them look bad. This has happened to me numerous times, and some of them have even tried to get me fire (unsuccessfully).
You also have strich guidelines on what and how you can teach them, and if you dont follow these patterns you are fucked 100%. I showed my 16-year old students a clip of Saving Private Ryan in history class, and you wouldn't believe the problems it caused, even though every kid enjoyed it.
And dont make me start about the parents, they are the fucking worst
Jordan Hughes
You will be fired within 3 years. Your students are given skills assessment tests nearly every year after third grade. If they are not making "progress" Those folks who don't *micromanage* you? Will let you go and you get no referral for the next job.
Hunter Campbell
>I don't believe dumbass claims without actual statistical data to back it up
Unless they're dumbass claims you want to believe as seen by your posts.
Blake Gray
It is your problem because you're the one passing them through the system without them learning anything. Kind of the point of being a teacher m8ty
Levi Phillips
Wow so you have to deal with some drama in the office. Wowsers, that sure offsets the simplicity of the job. And what kind of retard teachers shows an R rated film to a 16 yr old student? You're an absolute mongoloid. The point the OP put out still stands, it's an easy job, with a strong union, and compared to any other job that pays more or less the same, it's an absolute cakewalk.
Jason Powell
>Keep judging from afar a job you've never worked. There's a reason why most teachers drop out very fast. They are probably naïve on how rough most jobs are. Like you.
>If you're not dishonest, you'll divide a year's salary by a years hours. No, because I am calculating their pay based on their hours they get paid for. Why the HELL would I include hours they don't work? That's just stupid as hell.
But fine. To show you how much they make, let's just stupidly add in the hours they don't work. 40x4x12 = 1920. 80000/1920 = 41.67 an hr.
>I see you're still dishonestly ignoring the crapton of mandatory overtime. You could literally say the same about other fields that get paid a salary. They don't get overtime even if they work 50hrs a week.
Apparently everyone else here trying to make teaching seem like the hardest job in existence LMAO
Cameron Johnson
If they made it through a college course to actually have some kind of impact in the world, that's on the professor's. Don't be a blockhead. Everyone knows that anything before college (especially in public schools) is stupidly easy if you even slightly pay attention. If someone managed to graduate and for some reason was also given a job in engineering and built a shit bridge, that's on their company for being stupid enough to hire them, on their professor's for allowing them the degree to graduate, and on them for being dense enough to not learn anything beyond hs. Give me a break.
Jacob Cox
Are you unable to read? I never said it was a hard job.
What kind of retard teachers? About every teacher in Norway, as the age restriction for this movie is 15 here. What are you even talking about?
Christian Peterson
>However I will tell you this; all the rules and regulations that come with school really can weigh a teacher down, as you always has to think through what you're saying and what you're doing. Other colleagues however, is the biggest downside of the profession, let me elaborate; That's literally every job ever.
> Lets say you give the students some free time because you felt like rewarding them for studying good, or it was nothing else to do or whatever. You will be seen as the cool teacher, but your colleagues, who of course follow the rules, will not necessarily do the same, and you might make them look bad. This has happened to me numerous times, and some of them have even tried to get me fire (unsuccessfully). I mean fuck them. You're their for the kids, not to impress some co-workers.
>You also have strich guidelines on what and how you can teach them, and if you dont follow these patterns you are fucked 100%. I showed my 16-year old students a clip of Saving Private Ryan in history class, and you wouldn't believe the problems it caused, even though every kid enjoyed it.
A lot of jobs are like that. I know people in unions for instance and they tell me the same thing. They will discipline you for nearly anything
>And dont make me start about the parents, they are the fucking worst I can agree there as the public is toxic. It has its customer service aspects to it, but not as intense as say a call center job or some retail job.
William Rodriguez
Maybe you're confused on what "however" means, foreigner. It means you're making a contrary point to what you're writing prior to the however. And your "however", was a stupid one. Hope you don't teach English.
Tyler Gonzalez
>Your students are given skills assessment tests nearly every year after third grade. Okay? Just make tests that help them score well for the assessments. Problem solved. >If they are not making "progress" Those folks who don't *micromanage* you? Will let you go and you get no referral for the next job Except I won't get fired. Sorry. Keep dreaming.
Gavin Taylor
I don't know any teachers in my small public school who work 40 hours. all of them work in their classrooms and schools a minimum of 50 hours class 8-3:30 plus a minimum half hour before and after. I have watched countless teachers spend $10000 their first year for furniture and supplies. $2000 each later year just on supplies. Countless hours at home grading and developing lesson plans that meet the stringent requirements of the system and yet must be interesting enough to captivate the students. This last is often sacrificed.
Teachers, like Firefighters, and Paramedics are very very underpaid.
You might not care about political bullshit but it is what education feeds on
Obviously from your posts, especially the one about "false accusation" = free money, you are a troll. Time for you to do the "hurr durr I got you I was only pretending to be a retard" post
Brayden Young
? Speak english.
I am saying no stats = irrelevant. Yes, on RARE occasion it may happen, but that doesn't mean anything. You weren't very strong in math growing up, huh?
You don't value stats, huh?
Samuel Russell
So what exactly is the point of elementary-high school if not to learn something? By your logic why bother, everyone should just ply videogames until their 18.
James Miller
You do not make the tests they are mandated tests.
Do you not remember all those booklets you filled out with the bubbles in pencil over a b c d?
The schools do not make those. Usually they come from the DOE and Betsy DeVoss these days.
Levi Fisher
LOL
$10000 on furniture and supplies? What the fuck are they buying? Ottomans so they can lounge? And parchment paper organically pressed? Fucking christ, talk about an over exaggeration. Also by your math, from 8:00 to 3:30, and a half hr before and after class is 8.5 hrs. So I'm guessing these teachers work through lunch? You know, the lunch mandated by their union? Sounds like an 8 hr day to me. Heroes, what a fucking joke.
Mason Rogers
>That's literally every job ever. Didn't want to make a tl;dr so hear me out. In schools I can guarantee you 95% is left leaning, which entails political correctness. I can't think of many other professions where this problem is as high as in schools. You accidently sweared in front of your students? You are most likely up for a hearing. You try to stay politcally neutral? People will destroy you for not saying you hate Trump, and you will also be called up for a review.
>I mean fuck them. You're their for the kids, not to impress some co-workers. Yes, as is my thought. It's still a pain in the ass that some of your co-workers constantly try to get you fired.
>A lot of jobs are like that. I know people in unions for instance and they tell me the same thing. They will discipline you for nearly anything Yeah, but as soon there's kids involved, everything seems more serious. And everyone seem to be walking on eggshells.
Btw, I am speaking as a teacher from Norway, I can only imagine how terrible it is in America. And as a sidenote; I've worked 4 years in construction, 2 years in a auto-dealer ship and 1 year as a assistant professor at a university.
Robert Price
Honestly, the job is cake. I'm not saying the hours aren't long, but it is easy.
More work =/= more stress. At least to me.
The purpose of the op wasn't to hate on teachers as I want to be one. It was just to show basically how easy it is compared to other jobs.
Xavier Reyes
It's almost like if home schooling wasn't a thing.
Brody Thomas
If your only response is on the use of the word "however", I struggle to take any of your criticism seriously.
Not an english-teacher
Cooper White
>You're their for the kids
Never become a teacher you angry ignorant factory pseudoneet
Nathan Cooper
I hot a day off today I'm going to bang some chick I ain't moving no one's furniture in the hot sun and I had tendies :)
Again. Couple anecdotes. Oh well, big deal. You can find anecdotes like that anywhere which is why I'd prefer actual stats. Every profession probably has their own "sexual allegation" stories.
What I said still stands. COMPARED to other jobs, it's easy. Point still stands.
Easton Lewis
You asked when you said that the job wasn't easy. You gave yourself a contrary point when you wrote "however". Try keeping up.
Wyatt Rivera
I know that. I am saying I would make tests myself to PREPARE kids for the assessment tests.
Blake Walker
>there instagrams profils I pray to god this guy isn't a teacher. Not because he's a pervert (which he is), but because he doesn't know what "there" means.
Brayden Harris
What is your profession?
Lincoln James
I think we're all ignoring the fact that some dude on Yea Forums probably doesn't how to act in front of 30 kids at once.
>3 fucking months off This isn't true - at least in my country. They get the same amount of free days as everyone else, they have to go in to work during summer break to do paperwork.
You are wrong on the other points too. My wife is a teacher, I'm a programmer. I am making 3 times her salary, I work much less than she does. She has to prepare for classes, grade tests, she is literally working 12 hours / day on better days and 16 hours / day on some days. She also often is grading during weekends. They also have to pick out the books they will use every year, make a full plans for every class, go to seminars, get tested, etc. You are simply talking about something you know nothing about.
Landon Nelson
I have a feeling that’s not exactly what happened with the PE teacher
Angel Barnes
A mailbox for students 30 little cardboard shelves in a wooden box frame 200 dollars the table it sits on 100. The couch the kids sit on while they read during quiet time 199 the book shelves around the room 75 each. Schools outfit a room with a teachers desk a file cabinet a table for a couple computers that are always out of date 2 chairs for that table. Student desks and chairs. Nearly all other furniture is provided by the teacher. If they want to buy a habitat with butterflies to hatch in front of their students they pay for it. Purchase Orders are often only available before the School year yet changes to curriculum by Governments and Boards can and do come down weekly.
Austin Jenkins
Look again my guy... Teachers don't get paid for those three months.
Nolan Ortiz
I was all over the place from security guard, call center, a bit of construction, etc. Went back to security guard. Pay is shit, but it is the most calm job I can think of that I qualify for without a bachelors (which I will finish in 2020).
Adam Jenkins
I mean, what's so hard about it? Just be nice and answer questions on the lessons taught.
Dominic Moore
Lunch is only mandated if you are not the ones on playground or lunchroom duty.
Unions are not AFLCIO or TEAMSTERS they are actually State controlled in most cases and do not readily provide actual redress. Instead they are a constant source of paperwork and compliance policies.
Now IBEW was a hell of a good union and I only had to teach electrical apprentices.
Blake Ward
Word of advice:
If you become a teacher get a couple Masters degrees, certifications, everything you can do to increase your pay. My mom started at like 35k and is ending at nearly 100k. She would easily be 30k+ lower if she didn't get her masters and certs.
Dylan Phillips
And that is what you do after your 50 hours of direct class time.
Easton Davis
>I'm in another country >same days off Ya, maybe fuck off that way ->
Also, their work is in fact easy. Sorry to break it to you.
What do you think is harder. Some programming or grading the same math homework over and over?
More hours =/= harder
And yes, they do get 3 months off here. You may work more, but something most people here don't consider is the huge vacation time and the lack of micromanagement. It's also very repetitive. You probably have to update your skills which in IT is probably complicated. Teaching? Math for instance doesn't change. You just teach the same thing over and over again year after year.
Kayden Anderson
How many times do I have to say no shit? I already stated as much.
They make an amazing salary for what they work and also, their work is slow paced and easy (repetitive).
Juan Jackson
Being this much of a faggot
Juan Torres
My sister's english teacher makes 100k just because she has a masters lol.
Tbh, I'm in the process of starting to invest in other means. After my schooling (bachelors and teaching credentials), I'm going to be investing my money at other things.
Cameron Miller
*40 hrs of direct class time. I also noticed throughout my schooling there was a lot of down time for teachers. They would teach for idk an hr or something like that, then have time for students to work on problems independently. In that time, you could work on paperwork too.
Carson Ross
>Never was a teacher
>thinks he knows what he's talking about
no wonder you were a security guard. All you had to do was kick out skateboarders you fat lazy fuck
Samuel Long
Yeah but that's a bit shady to say someone gets three months off when they don't get paid for those three months.
Christopher Phillips
On a scale of 10 to 10 where 10 is a full retard and 10 is a full retard, how retarded are you?
You don't have the slightest clue on what jobs are hard or easy. Pick one of these 2 things: 1) a fun challenging job or 2) a repetitive boring job that takes more hours to do
If you would pick 2, you can go to a fucking factory to sort red toys from blue toys or do something just as crappy because you're clearly not capable of anything better.
Kevin Martin
See, I knew I wasn't projecting.
John Sanders
>fat That projection. How sad. Also, my points still stand. I have background in other jobs which is why I cam see how rough most jobs are unlile you. Stay naïve/ignorant.
Austin Cooper
It's unpaid vacation. Most jobs don't even offer that option. A lot of jobs make you work the whole 12 months AND don't even make half of what teachers make.
Anthony Nguyen
>has like 5 or 6 jobs throughout his pathetic life
>thinks he has an all-knowing capability to predict which occupations are more sought out and why based on this tiny bit of experience
>not only is he angry but definitely retarded
wew lad
Blake Ross
>On a scale of 10 to 10 where 10 is a full retard and 10 is a full retard, how retarded are you? Ask yourself that one. It would make more sense.
>You don't have the slightest clue on what jobs are hard or easy. Pick one of these 2 things: >1) a fun challenging job >or >2) a repetitive boring job that takes more hours to do Teaching is 2 and is easy as shit. Don't kid yourself, retardo.
>If you would pick 2, you can go to a fucking factory to sort red toys from blue toys or do something just as crappy because you're clearly not capable of anything better. I don't work in a factory. Those jobs are the worst. Also, fail. Not a counter-argument. I guess you admit defeat.
Except you were kek. Idiot.
Levi Morales
50. While students are present Teachers are attending to students. Down time does not mean they can wander off. They are still required to be present and observe students. 8.5+ daily hours in elementary
I mean really are you talking Elementary or Middle and HS? Which would be even more hours?
Michael Phillips
I have a WAY better picture than you. That's for sure, retard.
Having a hard time being objective, dogmatic sheep?
Kevin Sanders
It's called putting the pieces together with evidence.Not blindly projecting [a word you just picked up on here as a defense mechanism]
>You state you're sick of being micromanaged: Hmn, in which environment do most micromanaged people work? FACTORIES, retail, manufacturing plants, assembly lines, warehouses etc.
States he's done security: Hmn what's the most overweight professions that we know of?
Secruity, law enforcement
Tell me how any of that is a projections about myself, you literal retard.
You will NEVER be able to become a teacher with your shitty attitude and small world view, fuckface.
Owen Gonzalez
Sorry dude, this whole topic is completely subjective.
Your retardation is most certainly apparent here
Easton Peterson
And you get the sleep with the students.
Jackson Reyes
*40 >While students are present Teachers are attending to students. You mean when teachers come in early? They can just have their doors locked if they get that annoyed. That's their choice.
>Down time does not mean they can wander off. They can still do paper work to lessen the burden. >They are still required to be present and observe students. No shit. >8.5+ daily hours in elementary 8.
>I mean really are you talking Elementary or Middle and HS? Which would be even more hours? Elementary or middle school. All of it is easy regardless due to the low difficulty in the work. Again, you probably lack context. Quit teaching and do some administrative job that wants you to know all their excel shit, type 50 words per minute, etc. Even that is harder than teaching some basic stuff and they get paid less too.
Charles Hall
>It's called putting the pieces together with evidence.Not blindly projecting Except there were no actual pieces to put together, dipshit.
>Hmn, in which environment do most micromanaged people work? FACTORIES, retail, manufacturing plants, assembly lines, warehouses etc. Or.... anything profit driven? Nurses, engineers probably, cs probably, etc.
ANY profit driven work will be micromanaged. Get real.
>States he's done security: Hmn what's the most overweight professions that we know of? >Secruity, law enforcement Interesting if true (back it up by stats). Either way, doesn't apply to me.
>Tell me how any of that is a projections about myself, you literal retard. Calling me a factory worker despite never working in a factory, literal down syndrome fool. Calling me fat despite not actually even knowing shit about me.
Easy, retardo.
>You will NEVER be able to become a teacher with your shitty attitude and small world view, fuckface. Sorry, faggot. I'm graduating in 2020 with a decent (not amazing, but over 3.0 gpa) You can't stop me. Keep weeping like a bitch though. It's what you do best.
David Hughes
You have no clue.
School is open from 8-3:30 Teachers are required to be there from 7-4 no exceptions.
Lincoln Diaz
Subjective? Nope. Education has the lowest suicide rates.
Jace Rodriguez
Sorry, but I btfod everyone here including you.
Joshua Campbell
Okay. Big deal. The job is still easy to perform.
Noah Flores
That is 45 hours not counting grading of homework and possibly classwork. Does not include any conferences or tutoring that may be required.
No teacher works just forty hours not a damn one.
Jackson Reyes
BAHAHAHAHAH YOU THINK GRADUATING GUARANTEES YOU ANYTHING BUT DEBT?
You truly are a fool. Doesn't take stats to deduce a conclusion, just common sense which you lack.
I wish I could get a video of you trying your damn hardest to sound normal when a Principal is interviewing your pathetic ass for your starting $35k job at niggertown middle school.
Imagine just earning your bachelors in 2020. Holy fuck you're literally a kid or a complete life fuck up dude. Calling ME a retard. WHEW.
Angel Adams
You can do the work while in class during the down time I spoke of. Secondly, still easy. More hours =/= hard work.
Jordan Perez
Why do you guys argue about shit you know nothing about? Which one of you dumb fucks is actually a teacher? Who the fuck even tells the truth on Yea Forums?
Hudson White
Yeah... When you don't work and don't get paid that's not a vacation, bub.
Brandon Johnson
eh, my town is full of niggers and dealing with their spawn all day sounds like hell. I'll stick to operating my forklift for higher wages thank you very much.
Juan Nelson
>BAHAHAHAHAH YOU THINK GRADUATING GUARANTEES YOU ANYTHING BUT DEBT? Retardo. I never said jobs were guaranteed.
>You truly are a fool. Doesn't take stats to deduce a conclusion, just common sense which you lack. Nope. You are for thinking I implied a job would just be read for me. It is luck based obviously.
>I wish I could get a video of you trying your damn hardest to sound normal when a Principal is interviewing your pathetic ass for your starting $35k job at niggertown middle school. There we go with the projecting again. I'm not a nervous wreck like you. I also wouldn't give a shit about starting pay being that low since the job is easy.
>Imagine just earning your bachelors in 2020. Holy fuck you're literally a kid or a complete life fuck up dude. Calling ME a retard. WHEW. Huh?????? Are you assuming my age now? What the fuck?
Damn, you are so desperate to get under my skin that you start projecting and assuming shit. Funny how I'm getting under your skin and I don't even have to try lmao
Josiah Miller
Bull patties!
Perhaps an Elementary teacher could correct classwork? But not homework. And No MS or HS teacher has time during the one hour sessions with 25+ students *5 classes (Tha'ts 125 for the slow learners) to correct anything.
I think you do not realize how much time it takes to educate students.
Many here have spent hours just trying to educate you.
God I am glad I am not a teacher.
Ryder Rogers
It is in my eyes. Try to actually think about it.
OTHERS have to work the whole 12 months. Maybe 11.5 if lucky to get the same pay teachers get.
In other words, IN A WAY, it basically is "paid vacation". If you actually think about it.
Sebastian Thompson
>for higher wages Glad you like your job, but forklift drivers don't average what teachers average in my state at least.
Landon Sanders
>It is in my eyes. Then you're a dope. If you don't work and don't get paid that's not a vacation.
Landon Myers
How do engineers learn to be engineers?
Bentley Brown
>Perhaps an Elementary teacher could correct classwork? But not homework. They could from the day before if they wanted to. >And No MS or HS teacher has time during the one hour sessions with 25+ students *5 classes (Tha'ts 125 for the slow learners) to correct anything. They can when they come in early or while they have to stay late. They can while eating their lunch during their breaks too.
>I think you do not realize how much time it takes to educate students. A lot. Doesn't make it difficult.
>Many here have spent hours just trying to educate you. Being ignorant =/= educate
I already stated my reasons above, but here's a summary >God I am glad I am not a teacher. Cuz u ignorant
John Clark
>can't even comprehend my example Okay, champ. Whatever you say.
Nicholas Rivera
College + internships, not really k-12 (besides learning really basic math in that time).
Jack Turner
I don't care, user. Not working and not getting paid does not mean you're on vacation, that's stupid.
Luis Howard
College professors are not teachers?
Brandon Green
>Cuz u ignorant
Ah suddenly it becomes clear.
OP is black everyone. Nothing to see here move along.
How important is it to learn basic math to be an engineer?
Angel Harris
Except I just meant that as a joke, genius. Not a blacky. If that's all you got to try to one-up me, that's pathetic.
Jaxson Butler
You really need to know basic letters words and PEMDAS before you go to Middle School; these days. Also basic computing - how not to put a jelly sandwich into the rom drives.
Ryder Fisher
Okay, champ Yes. I should have specified in my op I meant k-12. College is harder to teach. Very obviously.
Owen Hall
I was being nice. Do you know where you are?
Aiden Johnson
Enjoy your $25k salary lmfao
Benjamin Lopez
5chan?
Nathaniel Lee
Man you really gotta stop, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point. You haven't made a single valid argument this entire time and are just completely deflecting. Every time someone says something really obvious, you just say "oh that's not true and you don't know anyway" and makes it obvious they were right. You're a fat kid with no chance of getting a job, no real world experience so nothing you say matter to anyone, your comebacks are lame, and you're probably super pissed and crying about the fact that you're clearly wrong and can't even defend yourself because you dug your own grave with your previous comments. Get over it kid, it's random people one the internet who don't have any way of knowing who you are so at least it won't come back to haunt you. Oh and while you're at it, don't become a teacher I don't think anyone wants you near their kids.
Robert Hernandez
Okay
Jose Harris
Ah, so it's important.
Jaxson Rodriguez
Teaching is so easy, that's why its the least desirable job and there is more of a shortage now than ever.
>Man you really gotta stop, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point. Btfoing you is embarrassing myself? Lol.
>You haven't made a single valid argument this entire time and are just completely deflecting. Except I have. They 1. Teach easy material 2. They get 3 months off 3. They make a lot in my state Retardo.
>Every time someone says something really obvious, you just say "oh that's not true and you don't know anyway"
False. I've only said that with the sexual allegations and when people think "more hours = harder work".
>and makes it obvious they were right. Read above >You're a fat kid Projecting again. Sad.
>with no chance of getting a job, Except I have one but k. >no real world experience so nothing you say matter to anyone, your comebacks are lame, Except I do have real world experience? Are you projecting here? Are you really in IT or was this a LARP?
>and you're probably super pissed and crying about the fact that you're clearly wrong Projecting. I see I got under your skin. You're the one who keeps weeping.
>and can't even defend yourself because you dug your own grave with your previous comments. Wrong. I greentext the shit out of everything.
>Get over it kid, it's random people one the internet who don't have any way of knowing who you are so at least it won't come back to haunt you. Except I keep winning so...? >Oh and while you're at it, don't become a teacher I don't think anyone wants you near their kids. Too bad. Some retard larper isn't going to change my mind. Sorry, retardo.
Btw, get BTFOd again.
Bentley Cooper
Reasonably so.
If I were the DOE?
I would mandate up to a 6th grade education. Make it merit based after that. Pass or get out.
Anyone who fails? Is entered in to the Job Corp or Military Academy. Upon Graduating from any degree? 2 years mandatory Government or Military service.
>thinks 80k is poor in california I'm not saying it's rich, but it is sure as hell more than most jobs even in california.
Gabriel Russell
teaching is not easy. it involves many sleepless nights, unpaid overtime, and personal sacrifice to be a good teacher. also lots of emotional intelligence. you have to have subtle interpersonal skills to succeed as a teacher. nothing you can really point to on a certificate and say "i have a degree in computer engineering."
you can read information off of a powerpoint and out of a textbook but in order for your students to actually succeed, you need to inspire them and that's a very hard skill to learn for most people.
- yours truly, a former educator who has worked in construction, in landscaping, in direct sales, door knocking, and online marketing.
Dylan Myers
Do you know what it cost to live in California?
Nathaniel Peterson
Make sure you teach in a 100% white/asian school.
Ethan Sullivan
Thank you for your service.
- A Lowly School Janitor former IT burnout.
Jeremiah Kelly
80 grand is a very good salary in California.
Asher Robinson
Fuck off, my mom is a pre school teacher (eAsY wOrK), and all her holidays are spent worrying if she has free time as she has planning to do, and she is constantly stressed af and hates the job. They are also not paid much
Andrew Carter
Literally not even the same person who was responding to you before you actual retard. When I said you were deflecting it was about you being a fat kid. Also notice how literally nobody on this thread is agreeing with you. Maybe you were right in the first place about teaching being an easy job I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with that, I was just telling you that you're being a huge faggot and everyone here feels the same way.
Zachary Garcia
I live here? Do you even live here? This is why you look for cheap as shit rent. I mean cheapest really is about 1200. After taxes, most jobs barely pay enough. With 80k though? Even after tax, it's not the worst. Though with that said, that's the average and it takes a while to get there.
I acknowledge california is a shithole due to the cost of living, but 80k is still better than the grand majority of jobs here.
Christian King
No.
45K will just about cover rent or mortgage 50 miles away from your 1.5 hour commute.. Now lets get to other needs like utilities, food, fuel.
John Garcia
Oh shit, nah I’m Brit fag
Same shit applies though
Leo Foster
Ok, just wanted to confirm you have no education and are talking out of your ass about something you know nothing about
Julian Sanchez
>Literally not even the same person who was responding to you before you actual retard. So you are worse off and were projecting all those things then. Loool
>When I said you were deflecting it was about you being a fat kid. Uhh.... mayne because I am not actually fat? See... this is the projection 101. That is literally projecting kek. Retard, your burning yourself.
>Also notice how literally nobody on this thread is agreeing with you. *almost also, dumbass, majority opinion =/= being correct. Dumbass sheep.
>Maybe you were right in the first place about teaching being an easy job I am right. >I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with that, Except you were, dumbass. Looool fucking hell, what an idiot. >I was just telling you that you're being a huge faggot and everyone here feels the same way. Ditto to you, faggot. If this is all you've got, you've lost.
All you've got is "uhhh u a faggot and are fat dur hur I WIN" lol. Truly a pathetic human.
Connor Gray
COMPARED to other jobs, it's easy.
Do you honestly think a truck driving job or a job as a lawyer is easier? Be real. As for pay, depends on the state.
Camden Brooks
I am into younger kids anyway so why not OP sounds like a paradise
Christopher Moore
So I debunked you? Nice. At least you admit defeat.
Angel Taylor
But teacher why do I have to be nekkid to read the "Pigeon on the bus"?
All true, but they have to put up with children from shitty parents like you.
Gavin Thompson
Motherfucker, I'm from California. Go bullshit someone else.
William Roberts
Look, retard. Do I have to actually be a lawyer or truck driver to know those jobs are ass? No, because I have common sense and see how demanding those jobs are.
The worst thing about teaching are the hours, BUT the work is piss easy so it isn't even a big deal.
If only you had one brain cell. You would have reached the same conclusion.
Jordan Thompson
Lol okay you go crawl into your hole of being a huge faggot and having no friends and responding to literally everything with "PoRjECtshiNG" while all of your peers just see you as a huge retard with no friends, no life, and of course no job
Ryan Lee
Southern or Northern? Being a nigger in Rivercide really does not count.
Liam White
Irvine.
Aiden Jenkins
Fuck! Now I have to go eat a ham sandwich... I hope you are proud of yourself.
Leo Clark
>faggot >no friends >retard >no friends again >no life >no job
I seriously kekd.
Here, retardo. Pic is for you. Projection 101.
You can try to discredit my use of the word "projecting", but it makes no difference. You are in fact doing what is in this pic. Not my opinion. It's a fact.
Teachers work for salary, and don't get overtime. This means that when you factor in the fact that they work as many or more hours per week than the average American (50-53 hours per week compared to 47-50,) with their static pay, over 1 in 10 are making less than federal minimum wage.
They went through 4-5 years of schooling, more than likely going into debt doing it, to make less than minimum wage. This doesn't even count in that many teachers have to pay for their own supplies, either.
Dominic Fisher
Yeah I mean I have had to stick with it a long time but now I have all the certs and do 3 story type of stuff (no idea how else to explain it). Meanwhile my sister is a High School teacher and she can barely make rent. Granted, we live in an extremely expensive region (Bay Area) and teachers don't make nearly enough here.
Gavin Thompson
Most teachers are to go at their work at summer. They are, like, just have to spend time inside schools because, uh, um, you know, they have to. Probs doing paper job
Camden Russell
Still worth it considering how easy it is. Long hours =/= harder work.
If you want to argue like that, imagine everyone else that makes even LESS than teachers??? Also, I'm talking about california. They basically work about the same hours as everyone else but here, I'll lowball their hourly wage by making them work 60hrs a week as a scenario.
>2 months obligatory PAID vacations every year >PAID Christmas break >PAID spring break >Holidays are a given and also paid >Get to design their own work style and workload >Work hours depend on school hours, which tend to be from 8 to 3 >Piss easy college career >ample work opportunities
>Still have the nerve to complain > >Work hours are
Charles Myers
This kek. I have no clue why people are trying to paint teaching as the hardest job ever. They get so defensive.
Ryan Edwards
I've been in the classroom since 2001, and I've developed a pretty good way to describe being a teacher: Imagine you're a stand-up comedian. You have to keep the audience's attention for an hour at a time. But here's the catch: You are told what kind of jokes you have to tell. Your audience has to remember all the jokes you told, well enough to repeat them on command. If they don't understand the jokes, or forget the jokes, or just don't pay enough attention to laugh at the jokes, it's not their fault, it's yours. You didn't modify the joke to be accessible to everyone in the audience, catering to the lowest common denominator of the audience as well as the geniuses. Then, the audience has to take a single test on all the jokes you told that year, but with setups and wording you didn't use. If the audience can't remember your jokes and adapt to the new wording, well enough to make a stranger laugh, that's your failure as a comedian. So any time you're not performing, you're preparing for 5 different shows every day. All of which have to be engaging, funny, and utterly memorable. You go out to buy rubber chickens and whoopie cushions on your own dime, praying that they keep the audience entertained. And then you tell a bad joke. Or one that might be offensive, or racist. Then you're fired, and then you become Michael Richards. You're The Racist Comedian, and have fun getting a job. Or, one of your audience accuses you of looking up her skirt. Then all your comedy experience and years of schooling are down the drain because you're a pervert. The Comedians' Union tells you there's nothing they can do because you don't have tenure yet, or because that's a headache they don't need. You even pay for a Master's Degree in Comedy on your own dime, because a Masters' is a legal requirement to be licensed. I've been a teacher since 2001. I have a Master's, and I work in a charter school. I made $54,000 this year. And apparently I wasn't funny enough.
Jose Phillips
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." I think about this a lot as a teacher. It's our job to make the horse drink. So we beg. We bribe. We punish. We hold the horse's head to the water. But then one of three things happens: a.) The horse drinks, because he was thirsty and would drink anyway. b.) The horse drowns. c.) The horse thinks it's drowning, and kicks you to get away.
Jonathan Ross
Do you have any kind of stats showing the work is easy, or are you just assuming it is? I could say being a coal miner isn't too hard just because all you have to do is move rocks, but it would be dishonest and anyone who I made that claim to could and should call me out on it.
There's plenty of current and former teachers talking about the difficulties of teaching. There's plenty of polling and things showing teaching is a stressful job. I'd be interested to see something showing teaching k-12 is a cushy job.
Even if teachers make over the median wage, it's still below a living wage. So yay that they make more than the median income, but boo that they still probably have to work another job on top of their 50 hour a week one to make rent? So a stressful job that doesn't make rent in your area is a good thing?
Samuel Allen
>Do you have any kind of stats showing the work is easy, or are you just assuming it is? That's not even possible to measure really besides looking at suicide rates... And... they happen to have the lowest suicide rates of all occupations so there's that
> I could say being a coal miner isn't too hard just because all you have to do is move rocks, but it would be dishonest and anyone who I made that claim to could and should call me out on it. Except the learning curve is probably harder than teaching.
You can't just say "all jobs are equally hard" as THAT is being dishonest.
>There's plenty of current and former teachers talking about the difficulties of teaching. There's plenty of polling and things showing teaching is a stressful job. I'd be interested to see something showing teaching k-12 is a cushy job.
They still have the lowest suicide rates.
>Even if teachers make over the median wage, it's still below a living wage. So yay that they make more than the median income, but boo that they still probably have to work another job on top of their 50 hour a week one to make rent? So a stressful job that doesn't make rent in your area is a good thing?
Nope. According to stats, they are considered middle class jobs (in california, 44k and under = either hardship or livable wages. Even IF we treat that 80k a year as 25 an hr, that's considered middle class here). Needing to work another job? Yaaaaa riiiight. Don't exaggerate now.
