celeb thread - celeb edition
Celeb thread - celeb edition
Daniel James
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Luke Long
Feel the rain on your skin
No one else can feel it for you
Anthony James
>blocks your path
Nathaniel Nelson
I didn't say that. I said fanboy in like a 'shit talking someone he dislikes but talking to my idol' way
I know you aren't. And I never tried to be mean to you. No idea how to give the same reasoning in english so:
Ich hab einfach andere Definitionen für Wörter und kürze gerne lange Sätze duch einen kurzen ab. Dann kommt sowas raus wie 'xxx sagt dass du dumm bist' und meine eigentlich dass 'xxx das übertrieben findet dass du nicht sorry sagst und etc'
Dann geht eben auch mal der eigentlich Sinn verloren
Obviously it's me to blame there, but that's just how I am am. Direct, no yada yada, no sweet talk
Aiden Bell
Did you send snaps of private disc chats around?
Isaac Evans
GAWD Those toes!
Dylan White
to both!
you want your girl to fly up your pisshole or what?
how is the new season?
Ian Powell
Oh my enchilada!
Kayden Phillips
Chase Rodriguez
Really wouldn't mind her blocking my path
Jackson Edwards
Thomas Jones
Ouch. I never tried such kinks but I really doubt I'd like them
Juan Harris
I wouldn't even recognizer her tbh
No offense
Zachary Rogers
Haven't watched, but the commercial got the song in my head.
Jaxson Thomas
Sounding with shrunken qts O_O
Nolan Nelson
then why ant man smol? or did you just mean qtpai smol
oh ho yeah he did lmfaooo
I figured. don't think I've even heard Colbie Collait's name since then. show probably ruined her career lul
Hudson Long
I see the language barrier, yes.
On the other hand I wouldn't know what to apologise for. I think this discussion has taken over too much of the thread already, but I do not think this topic is discussed to a satisfactory conclusion.
We should talk about it in private, I am not saying we are friends again. All I say is I'm temporarily unblocking you so we can figure this out.
It's gotten out of hand. I think we can agree on that.
Justin Wood
that shit is so sketchy to me omg nooo
Isaac Phillips
Natasha Bedingfield but the rest is probably true.
Jason Sanders
rosey nips
Nathaniel Williams
Sorry?
It was just my sarcastic shit humor noone gets
Don't ask me. I have no idea
Your choice. I sure as hell won't tell you what to do
Means a lot tho
Juan Johnson
miss this watson
Ian Davis
That true?
Benjamin Thomas
Don't fuck this up 007
Camden Thompson
Yeah, dadfu likes dick
Aaron Morgan
Sounding is putting objects into your urethra. It's sketchy af like said.
Nolan Cruz
Come on you two. Let us figure it out. Thanks
Jonathan Gray
I mean that's not really a secret tho ...
Jeremiah James
I again thank you. Now I can go happy to sleep for today
John Powell
Has nothing to do with you, wtf
Cameron Long
Don't put any meaning into this.
You are unblocked for now.
Caleb Diaz
oh yeahhh lol see I forgot all about that bitch entirely. I don't think I could do the hills without Lauren I mean what the fuck. Mischa is probably great tho I do love her too
mais a smol I like a mais sometimes she p good
lol
Owen Murphy
thats literally literally dadfu kek
Wyatt Wood
Ah, yeah that's what I meant. Obviously I didn't mean it. For real. I am already sensitive as fuck there. In a hurting way
It literally has so please, leave it
Caleb Gray
That's true. But Zhen is way smoler
I won't even message you, no worries
I will only respond if possible
Sebastian Cruz
Since babsanon isn‘t commenting on it I guess he is not trustworthy
Chase Hall
Fuck off
Asher Jones
Kevin Taylor
Oliver Hall
...
Angel Cooper
Oh wow no Lauren or Kristin ... Sounds pretty not good.
Josiah Perry
Henry Evans
Mason Myers
David King
EXPOSE BOBS
Isaiah Cox
Jason White
SHOW NOPPLE
Logan James
I have deleted you and your old name doesn't work anymore. If anything you will have to contact me.
Carter Brooks
Josiah Roberts
Dove is always a welcome sight
Andrew Gray
SEND NAKIES
Christopher Powell
Alexander Lopez
SAND?
Carter Green
HERSHEY
KISS
NIPPLES
Isaac Martin
Angel Richardson
Noice drama.
Gabriel Rogers
Everything you have.....
Charles Watson
Austin Green
Christian Watson
Jace Williams
everything?
Xavier King
Elijah Garcia
Cameron Cooper
Rice farmer
Justin Butler
who dat and girl or boy?
Samuel Sanders
Still better than that cringe festival
William Edwards
I just want maisies tiny feet in my asshole
Austin Morgan
Yes
Andrew Garcia
oooooooooooooh my GAD
William Wilson
William Sanders
NEED MILK
Kevin Anderson
Gamers truly are the most oppressed minority
>lol what "identity death" lol that's a new one. You don't consider gender as being part of the identity of a person ? >It's a mental illness because it manifests as psychological distress. But eh psychological distress isn't caused in an imbalance in the brain, but coming from the rest of the body. the treatment affect the endocrine system, not the brain iteslf, that is finally put under normal condition. Were the brain, as it is, be transferred in a body of the opposite gender, the person would no longer need to receive a treatment. Therefore, it is not a mental illness.
totally not a mental illness guiz!!
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In that tweet, he said that being transexual was a mental illness - not just gender dysphoria. That doesn't support what you said at all.
>that's false You haven't proven it is false.
>Update Nope see
Gender dysphoria is actually caused by, for example for a MtF trans, by their female brain expecting female hormonal feedback, but receiving male hormonal feedback instead, which can lead to emotional distress. the brain itself is fine but suffer from a bad environment. Hormonal therapy fix it and provide the right environment for the brain. You can classify some illness as mental illness even if it is only caused by external factors, but the alignment is healed once the brain is no longer exposed to it (no longer any male hormonal feeback)
So in other words they just need hormones? Well fuck, maybe socially accepting transvestites along with hormonal treetments actually ARE the answer to preventing most cases of gender dysphoria in the future?
Either way, I'm not going to bother reading what you posted. Trans people are sick and need help, chopping uo their bodies and fucking them up with hormones is not adequate treatment, they need therapy, getting an operation should be the absolute last thing that's done to cure them. Don't bother replying, I
Carter Gutierrez
How does the "cuts own dick off" statistic line up between straight men and gay men?
>-you can't be transgender without gender dysphoria. Yes you can, if you have transitioned, you are a trans, but you no longer have Gender Dysphoria.
>LOL not even trying to hide the methodological trickery. I'm not seeing the trickery there. None of those things seem like they should inflate the number of positive results, or exclude reasonable negative results. It's clearly meant to be a broad review, so including specific methodological constraints would be a bad idea, and could potentially introduce a bias.
>Girls with GD before testosterone treatment differed significantly in frontal brain activation from the control girls, suggesting a masculinization of brain structures associated with visuospatial cognitive functions. >Girls with GD before testosterone treatment differed significantly in frontal brain activation >Girls with GD before testosterone >before testosterone >before
>there already are. Sure, but as far as I can tell they're an incredibly fringe group. >here are transgender moderators at twitter who deleted a tweet by a psychologist who tweeted that gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Do you have a source for that? >That's what they're doing though by trying to stop gender dysphoria aka transgenderism from being labeled as a mental illness and getting angry at those who call it a mental illness. They're implicitly saying that mental illnesses are shameful Absolutely not. Claiming that something isn't a mental illness is NOT claiming that mental illness is shameful. The former in no way implies the later.
Imagine being so spooked by normative societal gender attributes that you cut your dick off because you giving blowjobs. Literally buying into what you purport to rebel against. Incredible.
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Grayson Perez
pedo
Jacob Cook
What makes you think I didn't delete you aswell?
Anyway, sent request
Jose Phillips
zhenya or die
yeah it's fucked up. like I liked Whitney but Audrina and Heidi are trash. whatever I'll probably still check it out
u wan sum fuk
Benjamin Taylor
No lewd intended but she looks really fucking cute there
Nathan Williams
Are you purposely stupid ? In the case you are mentioning, treating the brain IS the cure, so it is a mental illness. For trans, treating the rest of the body IS the cure, so it isn't. This show my reasoning is solid.
Here is different study, done in a more rigorous way.: jsm.jsexmed.org
It was obviously an example to illustrate why emplying such a research method without knowing the literature is either fucking retarded or direct evidence of an ideological motivation.
Connor Watson
Are you purposely stupid ? In the case you are mentioning, treating the brain IS the cure, so it is a mental illness. For trans, treating the rest of the body IS the cure, so it isn't. This show my reasoning is solid.
Here is different study, done in a more rigorous way.: jsm.jsexmed.org
It was obviously an example to illustrate why emplying such a research method without knowing the literature is either fucking retarded or direct evidence of an ideological motivation.
Colton Roberts
Are you purposely stupid ? In the case you are mentioning, treating the brain IS the cure, so it is a mental illness. For trans, treating the rest of the body IS the cure, so it isn't. This show my reasoning is solid.
Here is different study, done in a more rigorous way.: jsm.jsexmed.org
It was obviously an example to illustrate why emplying such a research method without knowing the literature is either fucking retarded or direct evidence of an ideological motivation.
Cooper Long
Are you purposely stupid ? In the case you are mentioning, treating the brain IS the cure, so it is a mental illness. For trans, treating the rest of the body IS the cure, so it isn't. This show my reasoning is solid.
Here is different study, done in a more rigorous way.: jsm.jsexmed.org
It was obviously an example to illustrate why emplying such a research method without knowing the literature is either fucking retarded or direct evidence of an ideological motivation.
Daniel Young
Are you purposely stupid ? In the case you are mentioning, treating the brain IS the cure, so it is a mental illness. For trans, treating the rest of the body IS the cure, so it isn't. This show my reasoning is solid.
Here is different study, done in a more rigorous way.: jsm.jsexmed.org
It was obviously an example to illustrate why emplying such a research method without knowing the literature is either fucking retarded or direct evidence of an ideological motivation.
Michael Nelson
Beady, oh beady
Noah Fisher
oooooooh my gad, giv fuk
Gabriel Gutierrez
Some fuk from JJ?? YES PLEASE
Nicholas Hall
Benjamin Sanders
Mooooar Jlaw
Evan James
Jonathan Rodriguez
Adrian Nguyen
Adam James
You're swinging big facts. Also yeah I'll probably check it out too, it's been a long time tho.
Jason Cooper
Parker Ortiz
Lucas Lopez
from daddy fat sacks
Christopher Robinson
Are you purposely stupid ? In the case you are mentioning, treating the brain IS the cure, so it is a mental illness. For trans, treating the rest of the body IS the cure, so it isn't. This show my reasoning is solid.
Here is different study, done in a more rigorous way.: jsm.jsexmed.org
It was obviously an example to illustrate why emplying such a research method without knowing the literature is either fucking retarded or direct evidence of an ideological motivation.
Owen Reed
Are you purposely stupid ? In the case you are mentioning, treating the brain IS the cure, so it is a mental illness. For trans, treating the rest of the body IS the cure, so it isn't. This show my reasoning is solid.
Here is different study, done in a more rigorous way.: jsm.jsexmed.org
It was obviously an example to illustrate why emplying such a research method without knowing the literature is either fucking retarded or direct evidence of an ideological motivation.
Bentley Reed
You defy your genetic code every day. Cry more while we tax you to pay for HRT
>Completed transition doesn't lower the suicide rate post transition. Sources, please.
What the? This fag is fucking 24 and shitposts as a faggot for karma in reddit, while im fucking 21 and im about to get my degree
it's the brain that need to be fixed, not the rest of the body. The rest of the body is fine, it's the brain that does not fit the rest of the body. The point isn;t that the man wanting to cut off his own limbs is entirely analogous to transgenderism, it's that they're both mental illnesses. transgenderism is a mental illness as has already been explained and other places.
>no, you're assuming that they meant that the samples are statistically insignificant but actually they made the far weaker and more general claim that they "resembled" each other. "Resemble" literally means "differences are insignificant".
Secondly, the sesond study indicate the SCL-90 is back to the norm after the operation, therefore the recorded distress, caused by GD, measured before the transition is now gone
>the WHO Literally who?
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no >90.2% said their expectations for life as a woman were fulfilled postoperatively Which means that 90.2% of them got what they were expecting. Do you think they expected their gender dysphoria to completely disappear? can you provide evidence of that? You're not acknowledging that transgender people have to go to therapy before sex change surgery and in that therapy they are definitely not told that the surgery will remove all their distressing feelings of not being the sex that they want to be. >That's quite the mental gymnastique so you can keep your gut feeling being a trans "is not right". If it's a mental gymnastic act then point out how it is illogical or inconsistent. In fact it is you who is participating in mental gymnastics to try and convince yourself that transsexual people do not have a
Chase Howard
having a hard time seeing her ass in that pic
Jayden Harris
>no, you're assuming that they meant that the samples are statistically insignificant but actually they made the far weaker and more general claim that they "resembled" each other. "Resemble" literally means "differences are insignificant".
>old.reddit.com
>It's unavoidable. at some level it has to be normative In some axiomatic sense, sure. In practical terms, fuck no. >the patient might not experience any harm. For example psychopathy or violent sadism might not cause any harm or suffering or distress to the person with the condition >What justification do we have to call it a disease other than to normatively say that things should not be that way and try to use common sense? Harm, both to themselves and others, and coming up with wisely-shared standards of quality of life. "Common sense" is utterly worthless here - it's just using your own gut feelings and values and an ideal for everyone, and medializing any disagreement. "I'm right, and you're literally insane if you don't agree". >We can't always rely on the patient's wants as the above example shows I've been very carefully NOT writing "health is whatever the patent wants". A patient might present a risk to others, a patient might not be able to clearly judge "quality of life". But in the case where a patient is both rational and unlikely to harm others, they're probably the best judge of their own quality of life. >Can you can explain how someone can be born transgender and not have gender dysphoria? Transgendered people who have transitioned successfully usually experience significantly less dysphoria. Also, the degree of dysphoria varies significantly between people. >if they don't have gender dysphoria then they're happy living according to the gender that is apparent from the neck down They may have transitioned, in which case "from t
Elijah Walker
where are the iggy pics? :D
Hunter Murphy
>People have literally been arrested for it And the charges were dismissed. Because it's not illegal.
heh Being insane would imply they are not functional, those that auto diagnose and miss diagnosis doesn't count as true transsexuals, is like believing buffalo bill was, and they feel an aversion to their puberty, x trapped in a x body is a boomer meme.
Fucking how? Explain the logic to me on this one.
news.cornell.edu
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>a brain tumour isn't considered a mental illness. But can cause mental misbehavior. the same way the distress cause by having the brain receiving the wrong hormonal feedback can cause distress. It doesn't men it is a mental illness. In the case of Gender Dysphoria, the Brain is healthy, but getting the wrong hormonal feedback, so the illness can not be considered mental. the same way brain tumor isn't a mental illness.
>Yes you can, if you have transitioned, you are a trans, but you no longer have Gender Dysphoria. This isn't true. Most people who have had sex change operations simply have reduced levels of gender dysphoria i.e. report significant improvement. It isn't a magic bullet that removes all trace. And even if that were the case, you aren't cured of something if you're undergoing ongoing treatment and it will return if you cease the treatment. That's called managing the disease, not being cured of the disease or no longer having the disease. An HIV positive person who takes antivirals to minimise symtoms isn;t cured of HIV. similarly a transgender who takes sex hormone supplements reduce the amount of distress they feel over the fact that they are not a man/woman isn't cured of transgenderism/gender dysphoria they're simply managing it. >claiming that something that didn't happ
Blake Roberts
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Yes, being gay also. Only straight people can be mentally health.
>no, you're assuming that they meant that the samples are statistically insignificant but actually they made the far weaker and more general claim that they "resembled" each other. "Resemble" literally means "differences are insignificant".
Go back to your shit site, bot.
>by trying to stop gender dysphoria aka transgenderism See, you are being a moron again. You were already explained how being a trans and suffering from Gender Dyphoria wasn't the same thing, yet you are doing it again, all knowingly. I am starting to suspect those deleted posts were using the term "Transgender" instead of Gender Dysphoria, as you are unable to make the distinction.
In that tweet, he said that being transexual was a mental illness - not just gender dysphoria. That doesn't support what you said at all.
>"Furthermore, the fact that they now identify with the body that they have means that they no longer suffer o gender dysphoria." I fucked up my posting. I was supposed to hit return but my keyboard didn't register it this was my point, not the one of the paper >I don't have access to the full paper but I'd want to see what they mean by "resembled" the exact wording is >Furthermore, the SCL-90 scores resembled those of a general population after hormone therapy was initiated.
That's what the consensus agrees works the best, any suggestion feel free to contribute.
Valueless junk. First of all, how did they select those studies for their meta study? Where were they published, and are those places with relevant scientific credentials or just activist rags? Second, notice the qualities they're saying improved - how could they know these things? Answer, self reported surveys. Into the trash it goes.
>hurr female brain You're a as stupid as you are passionate about this topic. Trannies don't have the opposite sex b
Hudson Reyes
You're not hiding behind the armor you think you're hiding behind.
>"95% of studies support x while only 5% do not support x so there's strong reason to conclude x is true" like the article that was quoted did is only a decent heuristic Except in this case, it's 93% support x while the other 3% didn't show the opposite of X was true. >When there is very likely to be author bias It is not clear at all there is an author bias, like said before,, you have to show there was issue with the methodology or the rigor of the study. the bias of the author do not facotr in, especially once it is peer-reviewed.
I feel like transgenderism is mostly a product of the times. Women need to stop getting special treatment and feminine males should be accepted. Likewise, a feminine male doesn't need to go trans. Vaginas are not magical. If just being a trap isn't enough and you must have boobs, fine, but don't go cutting your penis off. Why would you even want to be a vagina-girl over a dickgirl when you still can't have children and it's not really a vagina anyways? Only mental illness can explain that.
the correlation is 100 percent
>It's unavoidable. at some level it has to be normative In some axiomatic sense, sure. In practical terms, fuck no. >the patient might not experience any harm. For example psychopathy or violent sadism might not cause any harm or suffering or distress to the person with the condition >What justification do we have to call it a disease other than to normatively say that things should not be that way and try to use common sense? Harm, both to themselves and others, and coming up with wisely-shared standards of quality of life. "Common sense" is utterly worthless here - it's just using your own gut feelings and values and an ideal for everyone, and medializing any disagreement. "I'm right, and you're literally insane if you don't agree". >We can't always rely on the patient's wants as the above example s
Evan Moore
You're not hiding behind the armor you think you're hiding behind.
>"95% of studies support x while only 5% do not support x so there's strong reason to conclude x is true" like the article that was quoted did is only a decent heuristic Except in this case, it's 93% support x while the other 3% didn't show the opposite of X was true. >When there is very likely to be author bias It is not clear at all there is an author bias, like said before,, you have to show there was issue with the methodology or the rigor of the study. the bias of the author do not facotr in, especially once it is peer-reviewed.
I feel like transgenderism is mostly a product of the times. Women need to stop getting special treatment and feminine males should be accepted. Likewise, a feminine male doesn't need to go trans. Vaginas are not magical. If just being a trap isn't enough and you must have boobs, fine, but don't go cutting your penis off. Why would you even want to be a vagina-girl over a dickgirl when you still can't have children and it's not really a vagina anyways? Only mental illness can explain that.
the correlation is 100 percent
>It's unavoidable. at some level it has to be normative In some axiomatic sense, sure. In practical terms, fuck no. >the patient might not experience any harm. For example psychopathy or violent sadism might not cause any harm or suffering or distress to the person with the condition >What justification do we have to call it a disease other than to normatively say that things should not be that way and try to use common sense? Harm, both to themselves and others, and coming up with wisely-shared standards of quality of life. "Common sense" is utterly worthless here - it's just using your own gut feelings and values and an ideal for everyone, and medializing any disagreement. "I'm right, and you're literally insane if you don't agree". >We can't always rely on the patient's wants as the above example s
Bentley Edwards
Jaxson Adams
>There have been studies done that debank the shit out of that, in cases where the mass majority of whatever structures they were looking at were 47/53% split between men and women or whatever small difference and trannies were more likely to be on the 53% side of the other gender but that doesn't mean that your brain is the wrong gender. That doesn't mean debunking either. And every studies have shown the same trend. if it was truly due to random chance, a trend shouldn't appear.
>Trans people are sick and need help they need help,but it isn't a mental illness. >hopping uo their bodies and fucking them up with hormones is not adequate treatment Most studies agree that ti is. >they need therapy it has been proven they have brain of the opposite gender, physiologically. you want to push them into denial, which only increase the risk of suicide. You are using your gutfeeling rather than actual medical and scientifically study to justify opinions that could be disastrous for other people. You are no better than an anti-vaxxer.
>So now you're contradicting what you said earlier Nope, I am not. it's the rest of the body that need to be fixed, not the brain. The brain is fine, it's the rest of the body that does not fit the brain. >One way to "cure" someone who is feeling distressed by their limbs and identifies as a limbless person is to cut off their limbs No, it isn't. it does not improve the life-quality of the patient. >so that they no longer feel distressed by their limbs and so we've treated the rest of the body to "cure" him so he doesn't have a mental illness. this isn't justified, has they do not have the brain of a limbless person. You keep pushing an analogy that simply doesn't work. Just admit you are stupid.
Pretending to be schizo doesn't make you one, but is still very common.
>their brain are physiologically of the opposite gender this is your only argument and I call bullshit on that. provide a sou
Grayson Ross
I found 4 possible methodological flaws just by scanning the page, one of them being so obvious that it could be reason enough to assume this analysis to be agenda driven. At this point going through it in more detail would be a huge waste of time.
>>-you can't be transgender without gender dysphoria. and you have already been told that yes, it is possible. A person after transitioning is still a trans, bu no longer has Gender Dysphoria. Stop bringing back a point that was already debunked.
>Yes you can, if you have transitioned, you are a trans, but you no longer have Gender Dysphoria. This isn't true. Most people who have had sex change operations simply have reduced levels of gender dysphoria i.e. report significant improvement. It isn't a magic bullet that removes all trace. And even if that were the case, you aren't cured of something if you're undergoing ongoing treatment and it will return if you cease the treatment. That's called managing the disease, not being cured of the disease or no longer having the disease. An HIV positive person who takes antivirals to minimise symtoms isn;t cured of HIV. similarly a transgender who takes sex hormone supplements reduce the amount of distress they feel over the fact that they are not a man/woman isn't cured of transgenderism/gender dysphoria they're simply managing it. >claiming that something that didn't happen actually happened doesn't magically makes it happen. lol I gave you the argument demonstrating my point in the very post you replied to and you're pretending not to notice it. >-you can't be transgender without gender dysphoria. if you never experience any gender dysphoria then you're perfectly happy with your body's sex and so are not transgender. transgender people are people who suffer from gender dysphoria and so try to treat and manage that feeling , one way of treatment is to have a sex change operation and take hormones but these are merely ongoing tr
Ryan King
>and being transgender isn't an illness. If it causes them distress it is an illness by definition. If it doesn't cause them distress then they are just your run-of-the-mill crossdressing faggots and don't need medical intervention or societal support beyond what any other person gets.
>calling trannies mentally ill is so demeaning and discriminatory Mentally ill does not necessarily mean dumb or incapable. It just means they have a condition, just like any other tick or sickness.
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>the WHO Literally who?
Every mental illness is a social illness.
ON NO NO NO NO
Hmmmm.
warosu.org
Doesn’t matter. What matters is reducing gender dysphoria, and it works, so get over it I guess.
They are the same thing. You reasoning why transgenderism and gender dysphoria are different has already been shown false. -you can't be transgender without gender dysphoria. if you never experience any gender dysphoria then you're perfectly happy with your body's sex and so are not transgender. transgender people are people who suffer from gender dysphoria and so try to treat and manage that feeling , one way of treatment is to have a sex change operation and take hormones but these are merely ongoing treatments which might reduce amount of gender dysphoria to some degree, they aren't actually cured of gender dysphoria any more than an HIV+ person is cured of HIV just because they take drugs every day to reduce minimise the symptoms. They still have the disease , it's just being treated and managed.
>so get over it I guess Na I won't. They are the ones that are gonna have to deal with the ridicule from normal society. That won't accept their gender bending. IT also do
Angel King
>By demanding that they not be viewed as having a mental illness, They aren't doing that. I'm not away of any trans person who objects to gender dysphoria being described as a mental illness. They're posed to transgenderism being labelled a mental illness because it's a description of an inherent part of their identity. They want to HAVE a mental illness, not BE a mental illness. >By indignantly demanding transgenderism not be considered a mental illness, transgenders are essentially saying that mental illnesses are vile or disgusting or that those suffering are less deserving of respect than people suffering from other illnesses That's utter bullshit. Nobody has said that.
>those numbers could just as easily be the other way around No they could not in this context, as the longer a study takes, the harder it is to pull off. Therefore, it would be retarded to assume that the vast majority of examined studies were rigorous, costly long-term studies, while only a small minority is short-time online questionaire bullcrap. The only realistic outcome is that the numbers will be dramatically inflated by lower-quality studies, making the outcome invalid. Considering these guys are all academics and therefore unlikely to be total morons, they knew exactly what they were doing by using this kind of methodology.
>have 100 studies >95 assess well-being three months after procedure and find positive results >5 assess well-being 3 years after procedure and find detrimental results >"95% of studies find gender transitioning has a positive impact This isn't really hard to understand and it was just the most obvious out of the methodological flaws I listed. I'm starting to doubt whether you are arguing in good faith.
I know this joke is done to death but >top left pic >oblivion npc
>because they still have the disease of transgenderism i.e. gender dysphoria It's llike you enjoy being a morron. again, Gender dysphoria and trans
Elijah Bell
Pls
Chase James
>It's so fucking stupid. The very act of seeking treatment proves that these transgender people have a mental disorder. It's not mental. their brain are physiologically of the opposite gender. And if treating the rest of the body is what elliminate the distress, then it is not mental, as it is the rest of the body that need correction. a trans brain is expecting an hormonal feedback fro a gender, but receive the hormonal feedback of the other gender instead. This si what cause Gender Dysphoria.
There is literally no science to the brain gender mismatch theory. There have been studies done that debank the shit out of that, in cases where the mass majority of whatever structures they were looking at were 47/53% split between men and women or whatever small difference and trannies were more likely to be on the 53% side of the other gender but that doesn't mean that your brain is the wrong gender. It means that you are confused as shit. Less than 1% of the population having a disorder doesn't mean that we should throw biology class out the fucking window. How retarded -t someone with gender dysphoria since 3 years old.
>Someone who has transitioned, as a treatment for Gender Dysphoria, no longer suffer from Gender Dysphoria, therefore, they are still trans, but no longer suffer from the mental illness that is Gender Dysphoria. But that's not true. Do you think most trans-sexuals no longer suffer whatsoever from feelings of gender dysphoria? all that sex change operations and hormones offer is a way of treating and somewhat reducing the feelings. a few might never feel any gender dysphoria again but most still do. also, what happens when the stop taking hormones? the same thing as would happen to someone with HIV who stops taking their medication. If you need to continue the treatment or else the symptoms will come back then you still have the disease. You're don't have the disease if you're cured, if treatment can
Isaac Jones
same dood haven't seen that shit in so long. I was big big bigger obsessed with laguna beach and the hills but I think most my age pretty much were. probably not actually lawl. anyway we'll see what happens I mean the rest is still unwritten.... yeah
Parker Brown
Hudson Gomez
*boops bayern*
Lincoln Perry
I feel bad for these people. Something in me just can't bear to point and laugh at them. Something about that feels "bad" for me like I'm laughing at a freakshow and bullying them... and that's not the person I am...
Wyatt Bell
Where’s the based frog graph when you need it.
>It's unavoidable. at some level it has to be normative In some axiomatic sense, sure. In practical terms, fuck no. >the patient might not experience any harm. For example psychopathy or violent sadism might not cause any harm or suffering or distress to the person with the condition >What justification do we have to call it a disease other than to normatively say that things should not be that way and try to use common sense? Harm, both to themselves and others, and coming up with wisely-shared standards of quality of life. "Common sense" is utterly worthless here - it's just using your own gut feelings and values and an ideal for everyone, and medializing any disagreement. "I'm right, and you're literally insane if you don't agree". >We can't always rely on the patient's wants as the above example shows I've been very carefully NOT writing "health is whatever the patent wants". A patient might present a risk to others, a patient might not be able to clearly judge "quality of life". But in the case where a patient is both rational and unlikely to harm others, they're probably the best judge of their own quality of life. >Can you can explain how someone can be born transgender and not have gender dysphoria? Transgendered people who have transitioned successfully usually experience significantly less dysphoria. Also, the degree of dysphoria varies significantly between people. >if they don't have gender dysphoria then they're happy living according to the gender that is apparent from the neck down They may have transitioned, in which case "from the neck down" could appear very different to how it used to. >so in what sense are they trans? They still don't identify with their sex at birth. >Being transgender means that you have the mental illness of gender dysphoria No, it means they don't identify with their birth sex. Gender dysphoria is a distinct thing. >(and
Kayden Hill
Daniel Jackson
Srs isn't the only surgery or treatment they use, besides, its been tried, everything you can think of, it have been tried, this isn't something new.
>personality disorders Not real, such bullshit.
the second study says "resembles normal" but what does that mean? that there is statistically insignificant difference between the two samples? and yet they didn't make this claim . If someone could post screencaps of the full paper then we could perhaps see what they actually meant and how they measure "resembles"
>No, they still have gender dysphoria as proven here Your analogies aren't applicable. "Having HIV" means the virus is present in your body, not that you're suffering from AIDS. "Having gender dysphoria" means that you're suffering from a disconnect between your identity and your body. The hormones etc aren't "hiding" the dysphoria, they're surpassing the thing which caused it in the first place - meaning you're simply aren't dysphoric. >one could just as easily say that the body itself is fine but suffers from faulty brain. Sure, except that turns out to be a vastly less useful perspective. Treating the body solves the issue, is moderately complex, what the patent desires, and presents little in the way of ethical concerns. Treating the brain will also solve the issue, but is far beyond the capability of current medicine, not what the patient wants, and has EXTREME ethical problems.
>Being a trandgender mean you do not perceive to have the same gender than the one of your genitals at birth. Gender Dyphoria is suffering of distress because of it. like I said before: >-you can't be transgender without gender dysphoria. if you never experience any gender dysphoria then you're perfectly happy with your body's sex and so are not transgender. transgender people are people who suffer from gender dysphoria and so try to treat and manage that feeling , one way of treatment is to have a sex change operation and take ho
John Gomez
>This isn't true. Most people who have had sex change operations simply have reduced levels of gender dysphoria see ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Doesn’t matter. What matters is reducing gender dysphoria, and it works, so get over it I guess.
>wrong. They're expecting their level of gender dysphoria to be improved. If it was fulfilled, it means it is gone.
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The question of whether SRS is effective aside, not every transgender person gets or even desires it. Th
Caleb Howard
now beat it
Isaac Kelly
Joseph Richardson
>personality disorders Not real, such bullshit.
In that tweet, he said that being transexual was a mental illness - not just gender dysphoria. That doesn't support what you said at all.
>a transgender person that experiences no real negative effects is not mentally ill What about the vast majority of them that do experience symptoms?
I found 4 possible methodological flaws just by scanning the page, one of them being so obvious that it could be reason enough to assume this analysis to be agenda driven. At this point going through it in more detail would be a huge waste of time.
>transitioned as a treatment for Gender Dysphoria, no longer suffer from Gender Dysphoria lol
it's called empathy. rare on social media where it's a race to the bottom of sophmorism. that said, good for you as you sound like a decent person. let's face it: these people are mentally ill -- they look in the mirror and don't know what gender they are -- likely due to trauma or gestational hormonal issues and they deserve love and respect but not validation for a terrible destructive self-mutilation. that is why it is different from sexual orientation studies.
The first study you linked to did not ask the patients whether they experienced any gender dysphoria after the treatment. It asked them whether they felt female, more female than male, more male than female or male. Similarly the second reports decreases in SLC-90 indicators but not that there is no gender identity disorder in the patients after treatment. like I said before sex change operations can manage and decrease feelings of gender dysphoria but they usually won't go away completely. Every now and then they'll realise that their body is not the body of the sex they want to be and contemplate the grim reality that the next few decades of their life holds for them.
fuck these faggots, fuck these fags as fuckfags or else i will fucking kill them! fuck this bullshit and fuck all the
Thomas Wright
alright, just this once *boop*