Any motorbike riders online Yea Forums? Newbie here, watch this video...

looks like a high side man

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>by starting on your rear break and shifting to the front as the weight shifts. And at the same time down shift.
should practice that, that's a lot of hand / foot movements at the same time

this is the guy who posted the video

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Looking at it again I think we are both wrong. I think the SUV actually hit the back of his bike. So just object fixation for not swerving enough. I also take back what I said about panic breaking. I don't think he had enough space for that.

He crossed the double yellow line to get into the carpool lane. That's a BIG no-no!

You know what the fault was he made? Lanesplitting. Dont do that and be a decent human being in traffic, and you might live longer than 5 minutes. Bikers are homosexuals

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Can you blip? I.e. rev the engine while down shifting? Two fingers are doing the breaking while the thumb gives uick bursts of throttle every time the clutch is squeezed. That's one part of it.

The other part is panic breaking. Starting hard on the rear break and light on the front break. As the weight shifts you go harder on the front and easy of the rear.

Ones you have them down bringing them together is pretty easy.

Complete beginner here, commuting about 30 miles daily to work and back. This shit scares the fuck out of me. I'd probably die

Dumbass. You are probably more likely to be rear-ended in slow traffic than cut off while lane splitting. Especially in a state where lane splitting is legal. Additionally some bikes are air cooled and inclined to overheating if they are sitting for too long. Remember, in California the handbook on lane splitting was actually written by the Highway Patrol!

>Can you blip?
Yes, I've been practising that. I went riding for hours on back roads just to practice blipping. I haven't done much on the other bit though, might be good to practice this weekend.

>You know what the fault was he made? Lanesplitting
I'm asking about the YT link dude

Panic breaking is probably the most important skill. I neglected it for years and wrecked so many times because of it.

Watched a RL case that was basically this today... except lane splitting is against the law here so bikers fuck themselves up and then end up with premium insurance to fix the other persons car.

As an almost daily bike rider, I have to say, Im not mad at cars for doing this. This is why I dont ride like a porschemonkey..

Been riding for 5 years, motorcycle my only vehicle. Been in this situation once actually, like a week ago. It's hard to tell from the vid, but looks like oh-shit-grab-ALL-the-brakes followed by trying to turn hard while on the brakes, leading to highside.

1) fast or not you can't predict shit like this, a car straight up smashing into the car in front of you in the lane. You could say "muh stay in the right lane at the exact speed limit", but that's bullshit and you know it. Trying to hind-sight a single, exact scenario is stupid as shit. "Based on my knowledge after seeing this video, this particular driver should have been going x miles slower, been watching exactly the right lane, and perfectly braked, knowing what was about to happen, because the video shows what's going to happen, duh". That's 99% of couch-driving advice I see from anyone trying to analyze a crash video *after* they've seen it. Show the first 4 seconds of the video leading up to the crash to someone, without showing anything else, and if the advice doesn't match post-full video watching, you are pulling hindsight bullshit and your advice is bullshit.

That said:
>is it better to engine break
How the fuck do you think engine braking works. You have milliseconds to react, you aren't going to downshift and try to unpredictably engine brake, you are going to "oh-shit instinct" do something, mostly grabbing a hand-full of brake.

>and cut 20% of your speed and then break rather than breaking only?

Reeks of post-couch-analysis bullshit. You don't get to relive the video and analyze, you have, once again, milliseconds to react, and your reaction is mostly automatic without thinking.

Honestly this is one of those "fuck me if it happens". Car comes out of nowhere and causes a crash right in front of you, you don't honestly know whether they will stick to the left or bounce off. Pull brake not panic-hard, go whatever escape path exists, and pray the vehicles don't end up in front of you

What are you riding?

Remember, lane splitting is ONLY legal in Cali... anywhere else youre at fault for the accident. And yeah some old cars overheat so should they ride down the shoulder?

Lane splitting is always a terrible idea. I know it's fun to do but people are pretty well on their phones 80% of the time while on the road. You're better off weaving in and out of lanes if you feel you MUST ride like an asshole.

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Regarding the engine breaking etc, etc. Again, good riding skills involve doing the right thing every time. Using both breaks and downshifting should be natural. It should be what you do instinctively so that of you have time to break you have time to shift and you do it without thinking.

No. It is not. That is why the California Highway Patrol wrote a hand book on how to do it and do it properly. Getting rear ended in a car at 20-30mph is no biggie, but getting rear ended on a bike at 20 - 30mph could be fatal! Especially in traffic where you most definitely will hit whatever is in front of you as well. Getting side swiped at 20-30mph is considerably less risky on a bike.

A car requires an entire lane. A bike does not. It is easy to accommodate bikes. It is not easy to accommodate cars. Further, it is inherent to the design of some bikes that they are susceptible to overheating while sitting. It's not necessarily the result of them being old or poorly maintened.

> involve doing the right thing every time. Using both breaks and downshifting should be natural. It should be what you do instinctively so that of you have time to break you have time to shift and you do it without thinking.

Literally none of this has to do with the crash scenario. "doing the right thing every time" reeks of post-crash-watching-knowledge. When the crash starts, you are faced with uncertainty of whats happening and where the cars will ultimately end up, you can only guess.

Downshifting is useless in this scenario, because you will be hard braking and/or using an escape route, none of which should require engine braking; the process, "natural feeling" or not, takes too long. Go ahead, try it. Go to a parking lot, mark some pre-determined speeds and a line where as soon as you cross, you try to stop ASAP. Compare straight controlled braking vs. I don't know what the hell you think the process of engine braking should go, but try it (maybe you think you continuously brake, clutch downshift all the way/part of the way and dump the clutch? If so, please time that, also video take it so we can watch what happens)

Kawasaki Z750S 2016, friend hooked me up

there is one rule when riding a bike -- every fucking car driver is intentionally trying to kill you and you need to be 100% in control of your situation at all times. i rarely lane-split and when i do i'm totally ready at all times for a car to swerve or a door to open. don't put your life into the hands of retards.

>crotch rocketeer retard
>has no lights on
>going over 30mph through gridlock
>enters blind spot of black car
>gets btfo'd
kek

>drives a kamikaze crotch rocket in traffic
>calls others retards

You rarely actually want to use the rear brake, it’s just a mental thing most people have is slam your foot down and feather the front when you want to grab a good hand full of front and feather rear. If you drop a couple gears to engine brake you also run the risk of the rear braking loose cause the engine braking will throw the weight transfer off to the front a lot too. It’s best to clutch in and modulate a lot of front and a little rear. At least that’s how I do it and it works out for me. Have had a few assholes pull out in front of me.

Too bad he didn't die.

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>most people have is slam your foot down and feather the front

I...don't know anyone at all who has this mentality. It's much more natural to grab a fist-full of front brake.

>You rarely actually want to use the rear brake
Also wrong to an extent. 70% front/30% rear is the tried and true mantra. If I hit the front brake, I'm also hitting the rear brake, always.

>It’s best to clutch in and modulate a lot of front and a little rear.

Probably that is what you are saying here.

Also, pro-tip: pressure on the rear brake only at low speeds is fucking magic at making you more stable. Try it. When you are low speed turning/moving/whatever, just put a bit of pressure on the rear brake. I'm not sure of the physics but it stablizes the shit out of you, which you normally lose at low speed.

I said shoulder not lane. Also please do some research. Some cars are air cooled. So cars should legally be allowed to use shoulder in those cases?

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2006

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biker here, DON'T FUCKING DO THAT.
Those fuckheads give the rest of us a bad name, and cause car drivers to not give a fuck about passing us in our lanes.
>but I drive an air-cooled engine, I can't sit in stop-and-go traffic
Then buy a decently engineered machine instead of an obsolete harley design. That's nobody's fault but yours.

I'm the guy on the bike.

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this biker sued and won $150K or something

just about to ask what happened after. Was it mistaken identity or the cop straight us was being a cunt?

why do you have to all the sudden become a faggot when riding a bike?
loud pipes don't save lives
they only try to put the responsibility on others when your your job to ensure your own safety

>bike rider here
>2 major wrecks
>all my fault
>trying to quit before the 3rd strike
>bought a new bike 3 weeks ago
>nice knowing you Yea Forums

cop wanted to pull over the bike just for licence check, he wasn't speeding or anything, biker didn't hear the cop's siren, you saw the rest

Does anyone ride a yamaha mt03? or 7 or 9, assuming they're similar. ow do you turn on the hazard lights? nothing in the manual. Don't all bikes have hazard lights?

>loud pipes don't save lives
If there was one thing I wish I could explain to motorcyclists is that your loud piece of shit isn't making you more safe. Some drivers monitor up to two cars in each direction around them. Most probably keep track of one car in each direction. A lot don't even pay attention to cars behind them. So count how fast you pass two cars and that's how long a driver has to detect and react to you IF they're paying attention. All your loud bikes do is make noise.

Don't drive faster than the flow of traffic.

no, biker was fleeing the cop for miles.

>biker was fleeing the cop for miles.
because he didn't hear the siren, does he look like he's riding to escape?

Look up 'high speed lane splitting caught by cop'. Im the one with the gopro and its one of my tamest videos. The other ones will land me in jail. I cant answer proper way to brake, it just comes naturally. Just always expect to cut off and ride like youre invisible. And dont do stupid shit like i did

About to take a learners course because I've always wanted a bike and need a small cheap second vehicle. I've seen some tards ride bikes just fine so I know I can do but I wont pretend the shit makes me nervous. I've done dumber and more challenging things but the people in my area drive like maniacs.

>high speed lane splitting caught by cop
ametdeatha? how are you still alive?

No, not all bikes have hazards. I have both a Ninja 300 and a 636, no hazards on either.

1) Motorcycles are not supposed to be safe.

2) It's 2019: Get a bike with ABS, grab front brake like your life depends on it and look at where you want to go instead of where you will crash. Everything else is for the circuit, not emergencies.

The car driver was in the wrong. If lane splitting at speed is wrong in where this occurred, the driver was most in the wrong by crossing the double yellow lines.

>Everything else is for the circuit, not emergencies.
what's that mean?

Splitting lanes even with double yellows is legal for bikes. It's the safest place for motorcycles. This jackass was going way to fast with that much traffic. Even though this is 100% the cars fault, he shouldn't just assume people with follow the rules of the road. Slow the fuck down you dumb cunt

Downshifting, blipping your throttle,... these things improve lap times but do not keep you alive in an emergency. Your brain has finite attention, focus on what is important: Bleeding off speed, avoiding the obstacle.

LOL man he didn't have time to break. Don't lane split fast.

Your skills aren't going to kill you. Every single person on the road is going to kill you.

I've been in several bad motorbike accidents, each time it's been because some asshole pulled out on me and motorbikes just cannot stop as well as cars.. I'm lucky to be alive.

Be in front of traffic, be scared of it.

No...

this video is one of the most common mistakes you see in crash vids. Threat moving from right to left, motorcyclist tries to move left faster than the threat rather than panic brake.

It never works. Even if the guy flew over the handlebars after braking 30mph at least he would have hit the suv 30mph slower.

People just don't practice hard braking enough

If this was in the U.S.-
Lane splitting is illegal in 49 states, only legal in California (go fig). And on the freeway its only legal if traffic is travelling below a certain speed (25mph iirc).
But its illegal to cross that double yellow to get into the carpool lane.

I ride so I'm not a motorcycle hater but lane splitting is only legal in Cali because every other state isn't completely retarded. I would NEVER lane split because I like being alive and I also don't like being an asshole. On a motorcycle you have to assume every other person on the road is both drunk and on their phone at the same time. So never speed and never expect the other people to do anything they are supposed to.

Lane splitting isn't explicitly illegal in all states, there are some that there are no laws around it so call it decriminalized. In CA it's no more than 10 mph faster than traffic and no faster than 45 mph.

>lane splitting is only legal in Cali
>there are some that there are no laws around it so call it decriminalized.
rideapart.com/articles/252707/lane-splitting-may-be-legal-in-more-places-than-we-thought/

If it isn't explicitly illegal in every other state it definitely should be. As a rider I have no sympathy for people who lane split and get fucked because of it. They are being idiots and expecting others to drive correctly which is the worst mistake you can make on a bike.

Lane-splitting helps to reduce traffic. However, we can all agree that lane-splitting in swift-moving traffic is dumb. Also lane splitting that fast in slow traffic is dumb.

If you think that then you can go move to any commie shithole in Europe where, spoiler alert, it is universally legal to split. That's right, even in the cucked EU it is legal to lane split. Go move to bongistan you nannystate loving mouth breather

That's because euros are also retarded. And im perfectly happy in my state where lane splitting is explicitly illegal thanks. I hope you lane split at 100+ mph. Do it and think you are proving a point to me. You will get yours.

I'll continue splitting LEGALLY at a reasonable speed, not having to waste my time in traffic and removing another vehicle in traffic. You have fun sitting in your little bubble hoping that nothing ever happens to you, too scared to even leave your house for fear of getting a little too much sun or god forbid a spider bite you cucked, dickless piece of shit

Go ahead and split legally lmao you will still get fucked idiot. Just like the guy in OPs vid. Just know when it happens I'm laughing at you for your Darwin award.

calm down faggots, riders are supposed to support each other, not fight

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You're right, thousands of people lane split legally every day and don't die but it's 100% an inevitability that every single one will get hit. God you're so fucking retarded I bet the state pays for someone to help you wipe when you're done pissing. I bet you don't even ride because you're too stupid to figure out how to use both hands at once.

It's not guaranteed no. But it's a higher chance than not lane splitting and I genuinely hope you are one of the ones who fall victim to that. Martyr yourself for your freedom to get where you're going 1 minute faster than otherwise. If you can't see the risk reward is skewed there you are the one who probably rode the short bus to school as a kid.

Holy shit, you must be clinically retarded, I'll stop now because I feel bad for abusing someone who's mentally handicapped. Try not to scream at your caretaker and shit yourself, okay buddy?

the fact that he u used his brakes instead of swerving is where he went wrong.

Friend: Bet you cant do a pushup on your handle bars.

Drunk: Hold my beer

[spoiler] no not really [/spoiler]

Sold my bike a couple years after the video because of a dui. Now i have v-star 1300, no more 150 mph lane splitting for me

Haha good luck dying kid :)

the fuck is that retard in the white suv doing? fucking americans.

why are you faggots arguing about lane splitting, OP's video doesn't even contain it, I swear you idiots just looked at the picture and didn't even have the mental fortitude to process anything after it. fagtards.

Not a biker, but if you have an air cooled one, couldn't you just drive slow in a similar situation so you can react and stop?

I know dude, i shouldn't have posted another bike video, no one's looking at youtube video

The best thing to do here is to emergency break. Look up how to properly do one.
Swerving was not a choice since I don't think anyone could identify a safe escape path in that situation.

There's probably some debate about this but, I think not using engine breaking is the better option (it honestly doesn't matter that much, there's more important things to worry about when emergency breaking).
Engine braking only affects the rear wheel. The rear wheel has less traction when braking, and basically none when using max braking force.

I don't think there was a lot he could have done to avoid crashing.
Yes he locked, yes he panicked but In my option that's the reaction most of us would have had.
It's not like a swerve, suddenly a car flips infront of you which gives a different feeling and a different reaction for that much.

The perfect escape is there but the execution wasn't

Also americans getting mad about lane splitting topkek 90% of Americans drive like fucking retards and feel personally attacked when overtaken by someone else. Just put your foot down on your automatic transmission keep your hands on your phone and do a Paul walker faggot Americans

To be fair, he didn't have a lot of time to react but he absolutely failed at swerving. Should have used a bit of the front brake, leaned to the left and corrected to the right under power again. No reason at all to touch the rear brake in that circumstance.

The only way to get arkundvin California is by motorcycle and lane splitting. Otherwise you are stuck in traffic like everybody else.

The car was in the wrong. The solid double yellow and white line means entering the hov la e is prohibited.

However not a lot of people obey this rule. Whenever I lane split I only ride as fast as I am able to stop. I've seen this happen all too often. But once the car does their illegal lane change, I scoot right on by them.

A 2 hour commute by car takes only 45 mins by motorcycle lane splitting the entire way.

>No reason at all to touch the rear brake in that circumstance.
why not? What's the harm in using both front and rear brakes?

Rear brakes will assist in bringing you upright, something that you don't want while you're trying to turn.

but you can't turn while hard on front only either, that'll slide you out too?

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To touch on the millisecond thing. I wrecked a few years ago on a corner doing 120 that I've taken at 170 before. Problem was a fucking squirrel. Doing dumb shit and before I could tell my brain to not freak out, I already had a hand full of brake and a strong ass stomp on the rear. At that point shit was too late and I spent a couple weeks laid up in the hospital. Shit was cash.
10/10 would recommend.

1. I didn't say to be hard on the front brake.
2. That isn't true

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>wanting to ride a motorcycle
this is what youre asking for

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anyone has the original?

dear god that pic
the more "riders" try to look badass the more they look like the insecure feminine faggots that they truly are.

this faggot has 0 situational awareness, had all of the time to either brake/slow down or sverve away and we supposed to feel bad? Watch all those videos and don't do what those faggots are doing. Also, take some police motorcycle classes.

I agree, he sounds like a total faggot and the type that gives all other rides a bad name. I watch these moto vs car drivers videos and 90% of them are faggots who create situations and then bitch at car drivers. I love motorcycle but I wish less of these faggots would choose to ride them and just stick to 4 wheel vehicles.

motorcycles and all human controlled vehicles will be illegal by 2030, lets enjoy it while we can

>I would NEVER lane split because I like being alive an
bwahahaha faggot detected! why don't you buy yourself one of those tricycle garbage, faaaag

Absolutely this man. It is mostly younger faggots that act that way though. Maybe it's because they all die young or maybe the older guys didn't pick up a bike because some whiney faggot on YouTube made it look cool.

I ride. I wouldn't have braked at all. I would have accelerated and leaned harder to the left than this guy did.
^^^ That is my 4 second pre-full video analysis, as you put it.

You braked hard at 120mph? Or are you a Euro cuck giving me kmh? Cause if the first, then you're a fucking retard. Once you're over 100mph you better never hit the brakes hard or you're losing control.

Looks like he went for a swim

imagine drowning in your helmet

nigger cop is a nigger.

Pro tip: dont use your rear brake, you have dual discs in the front for a reason. Even without duals in the front braking with the rear is a rookie move. Also, fuck squids. #ATGATT

This really depends. I live and work in the SF Bay area. I have put way more than 40k miles on bikes in the last 3 years and the miles per years is only growing. Between March 7 and today I have more than 5k miles.

I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME LANE SPLITTING. Say what you want of it. It is legal and common enough that if you were crossing the bay bridge from Oakland into SF in the morning you will likely be in a steady stream of bikes going between cars - most if not all between the two left most lanes which is the psuedo-designated lane splitting lane.

I currently have two bikes. One is very loud the other is stock. Cars open up when I am on the loud bike. They don't when I am not. Loud pipes stop making sense when you get up past 40 - 50mph. Lane splitting is really only legal below those speeds. At lower speeds, loud exhaust can help your noticeability the same way reflective gear does.

Hearing like seeing is a sense. The more signals you can give out to more senses the more likely you are to be sensed.

You're talking to a bunch of CB500 riding retards, they don't have twin fronts.
You are right though, the rear brake isn't meant for stopping.

Bikes don't use the fuckin shoulder jackass. You do not lose the shoulder to allow bikes to lane split. You lose nothing. Most if not all lanes are wide enough to facilitate it. Secondly, the proportion of cars that are air cooled are minimal and generally older. You reasoning skills are pathetic. "Lane = shoulder" and "a significant proportion of cruisers being are cooled = a very few rare air cooled cars from the pre-1980s"? What a moron.

And again, in addition to air cooling issues that a large proportion bikes can face, there is the much more serious issue that a 20-30mph rear end in traffic for a bike is much more likely to be fatal than being side swiped at those same speeds.

Rear brake does help stopping unless you're getting the rear wheel completely off the ground. Most of the braking power does come from the front brakes though, since the weight is all transferred to the front wheel.

what's this then?

youtube.com/watch?v=J42ivnmEF98

I would have jumped over with the bike

>what's this then?
A faggot with a youtube channel

Ignore those morons with their front brake only shit. It's either bait or they are genuinely fuckin retarded.

I'm a track rider and can tell you if you're using your rear brake to stop, your a fucking caveman who has no place on a bike.

What's it like being a dumb nigger?

What's it like knowing you cant ride?

any reverse parking tips for a beginner? If I have to reverse park to any smallish space, it takes 5 tries, going back and forth, there must be a trick

Don't be a cunt and learn to move your girl

Really cunt it's just practice. Practice everything on the bike. And stay focused. Always. You lose focus, some nigger will hit you.

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>any reverse parking tips for a beginner?
It's really common sense dude. Only thing worth mentioning is always reverse park if you have to leave in an uphill direction. But unless you're retarded, you'll only make that mistake once.

man i don't have a problem reverse parking if there's space but if I have to reverse park inbetween two other bikes for example and there's just enough space to park and dismount, I have problems reversing into that space

It sounds like there's not actually enough space.

this is the motorbike parking space available on the street near where I work

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Enough said

>Kek

I have no idea how those guys manage to park there

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