When Trump's tariffs go into effect, the cost of an avocado will rise by about 18-cents

>billions of US taxpayer money spent on building a fence mexicans dont care about
>"m-mexicans are paying"
No, you won't be receiving a dime.
>"b-but they'll be poorer becasue of less trade, which is the same, right?"
It doesn't matter how worse off mexico is, you're still the one paying for the "wall". Additionally, a poorer mexico will be importing even less from the US, impacting the economy negatively.

You deserve what's coming.

Your graphic is incorrect

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>how will they be paying then, if not directly?
Not at all

>That's literally the only thing that's going to happen.
Except for the stock market falling....oh, wait. Looks like that's already happened, especially for some of the great American companies like GM

The tariff won't even go into effect so it's a moot point. Just more grandstanding from Fearless Leader.

Any tool employed, wall included, to help stem the flow of billions of dollars wired home to central America each year will inevitably pay for itself in due time. I think a healthy tax on wire transactions unless legal status can be confirmed would do more to slow the flow of migrant workers. Barriers are less effective than removing incentives. Demos in Congress would never pass it though, even though they love taxes. Tariffs are taxes too btw.

>Any tool employed, wall included, to help stem the flow of billions of dollars wired home to central America each year will inevitably pay for itself in due time.
So money sent by private citizens to their families overseas will, if stopped, miraculously transform itself into federal cash and fund a wall? How does that work?

Back in reality, we're discussing more than avocados. Ask a soybean farmer or any manufacturer using steel (though that tariff has been reversed - without any gains in the meanwhile for US workers).

Kevin Drum:
"On Thursday President Trump announced a new 5 percent tariff on all goods coming from Mexico—nearly all of which will be paid by consumers in the form of higher prices. A new car imported from Mexico, for example, will cost $1-2,000 extra. Altogether, we’ll import nearly $400 billion from Mexico this year, so the tariff will amount to about $20 billion, or $200 per family.

But it’s a regressive tax and it’s mostly invisible, so I guess Republicans are OK with it."

>I dont eat avocados
Dont care
Do you see what board you’re on my nigga?

The money will not go directly to a wall, but would not leave the us economy like it does now. Think of it as an investment in the economy. It'd be nice if you could rub a few brain cells together instead of being so naive.

Dude needs to moisturize.

Also from the NYT:
"In a presidential statement that followed, he said that tariffs would be raised to 10 percent on July 1 “if the crisis persists,” and then by an additional 5 percent each month for three months. They would remain at 25 percent until Mexico acted, he said."

Trump is such a cowardly liar, that I seriously doubt whether tariffs will hit 25%. He runs a strategy knowing his base is information deprived. He could shoot a supporter on Fifth Avenue and rape their daughter, and they'd still bend over for him.

A self-appointed mod doesn't really have any power.

Stay mad, kid.

Who do you think pays for tariffs retard?

>Think of it as an investment in the economy.
That assumes that the people with the money spends it on something. Well, I suppose you could always raise taxes.
>It'd be nice if you could rub a few brain cells together
I'm not the one thinking stopping money leaving a country would pay for a wall

>Mexico will in effect be paying for the wall

No, for two reasons: 1) American consumers pay the tariff, and 2) the president can't earmark the proceeds of the tariff- it goes into the general fund.

>Who do you think pays for tariffs retard?

The consumer. Who do YOU think pays for tariffs?

> Information deprived: someone who refuses to stomach the hyped up misinformation spoon fed to the idiotic masses by the mainstream media everyday.

Face it dude: whiners about the mainstream media are frightened of information. Fox News *consistently* screws up their facts, which is why the weak-willed are so enamored with them.

It's a MEXICAN tarif, el retardo

They all do. I was not talking about any particular network or slant. They're all misinformation, opinion, hype, add, and propaganda machines. Modern news is a product, they sell it to you and slant it toward whom ever is their audience. They essentially tell you what they think you want to hear.

Cars will get more expensive but that doesnt affect poor people like you I guess.

Mexico will reply with tariffs making some Americans lose money and possibly their jobs.

The US adds a 5% surcharge on the item when it gets sold -in the US- to a consumer there.

That consumer is bound to be American mate.

Majority of the cars built are built in the US. Mexico's could tariff us 100% and it would change nothing. They rely on the US for 75% of their exports. We can easily get cheap shit from some other third world shithole.

This will hurt them FAR more than us.

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Trump is starting to make the same mistakes that cost him the casinos. He's rejecting the advice of his advisors and going with his gut feelings again. Could be the perfect storm is heading our way.

What about cases of Coronas and Modelos?

>Majority of the cars built are built in the US.
Which is why GM's stock has dropped. Because they don't import from Mexico, I suppose. Oh, but hang on
edition.cnn.com/2019/05/31/business/mexico-tariffs-auto-industry/index.html
>Every American auto factory depends on Mexican parts to build its cars or trucks.
>About 16% of all auto parts used by US assembly plants come from Mexico
>70% of wire harnesses, the collection of wires that carry power throughout a vehicle, come from Mexico. Few if any wire harnesses are made in the United States. Much of the rest of the harnesses arrive at the US-Mexican border from countries south of Mexico.
>about 2.7 million autos were imported from Mexico last year, worth $52 billion, according to the US Commerce Department. That's nearly a million more autos than came from Japan
But don't let a few facts bother your ignorance

You don't know shit about global economics, but here you are anyway.
Play pretend someplace else.

I'm pretty sure user stated that it would not directly pay for the wall. Did you not rub your two brain cells together?

None of you seem to know shit about economics.

>I'm pretty sure user stated that it would not directly pay for the wall.
And I'm pretty sure that I pointed out that if the funds were stopped from flowing across the border via transfers they would not end up in American federal coffers. Your brain cell must get lonely at times

seethe more, fuckboy

>Dreamgasm Gnome Thread
Last night I had summoned a gnome that helped complete my orgasm.
>hard af
>just started falling asleep
>feel something gripping the base of my shlong
>I use my fingers to feel
>its two small leathery hands
>starts sucking my finger
I wanted to freak out but it felt so good I let it continue. Afterwards it left as mysteriously as it appeared. Should I continue summoning this entity? Please don't ban me, this actually happened to me last night and I am trying to come to terms with it.

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Ok, so you've changed your answer. 10 billion that stays here is definitely better than 10 billion transferred to the central American economy no? The actual statistics are much larger.

What effect will higher prices have on the exporter's sales retard?

>None of you seem to know shit about economics.

Nonsense! You are on Yea Forums, sir!

>What about cases of Coronas and Modelos?

Most "foreign" beers are actually brewed and bottled in America. It's just the recipe that's Mexican.

(cont)
In fact, in 2018 there ware 17.3 million autos sold in the USA, so the Mexican imports represent over 15% of the total.

In the case of China, they largely just found new markets for their products.

I belive you. I am sure Trump exactly calculated how the tariffs would affect the american economy. After all Trump is big in math. He only failed Math and Economics- what 6 times? No problem.

not related but lol we are so winning
the vid is so funny
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Jew shills in full panic damage control

>tarrifs will not work goy
>emigration will not stop Goy

5% is just the start

The Mexican Economy & Government will be crushed under escalating tariffs if they don't stop illegal immigrants on their side of the border

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>Ok, so you've changed your answer.
Nope.
>So money sent by private citizens to their families overseas will, if stopped, miraculously transform itself into federal cash and fund a wall? (that was sarcasm, btw)
>10 billion that stays here is definitely better than 10 billion transferred to the central American economy no?
Probably, but that money would not pay for the wall unless you get it into the federal reserve and then transfer it to a budget Trump can use to build his wall.

It's also a change of argument - don't forget, the original premise was that Mexico would be paying for the wall if the funds transfers were stopped

I don't like Trump. I don't care if he single handedly solved all the world's problems. I will find fault.

Some of us read, you know. Some journalists try to, you know, inform their readership.

And some audiences consist of businessmen who want the goddamn facts.

Why are you so fixated on the wall? He conceeded that it would not pay for the wall, but would be a net plus for the economy. You seem rather rigid in your views.

You won't change his mind - he's swallowed the "Fake News" Coolaid

I usually have to read a minimum of 6 stories from different publications to get said facts.

He always leaves himself an easy way out.

He didn't define any metric for removing the tariffs, so he can always just say Mexico is "making progress" and freeze or remove them.

That's what he's done in the past with China. Once his advisors start working him over, he'll cave quickly- and nothing will have changed.

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Because he said
>The money will not go directly to a wall
which implies it will go indirectly to pay for a wall; it's not the same as saying the money would not go to a wall

Did you skip over where he asked you to think of it as an investment in the economy? I think you're being a little too literal. It appears as though you didn't quite understand his point. Just my take, for the nothing it's worth.

Mexico isn't paying the tariffs. Their government will not suffer because the US can't tax a foreign government. Your delusion is showing.

All that will happen is more of the poor in America will be unable to afford some things, and the rich and middle class will continue to buy those things at an increased price and the only ones suffering under the tariffs if they continue or escalate will be Americans.

>You seem rather rigid in your views
I'd say rigorous. I just won't accept the slight-of-hand and dissembling that some people and politicians use in their statements

lol, thats all he can do? raise the price of a vegetable?

>which implies it will go indirectly to pay for a wall

No it doesn't. That's stupid.

That's like burning down your own house to stick it your maid for raising her prices.
The type of retardation one can only expect from American illiterates.

Yeah exactly. Americans are just raising taxes on their own shit to stick it to other countries. Fucking retarded.

>Did you skip over where he asked you to think of it as an investment in the economy?
Not at all. as his original premise was the funding of the wall, he's now implying that a general investment in the econmy would fund it. Setting that aside, if you like, it's still a false premise that stopping electronic funds transfers across the border would give a net increase in the American economy. As the situation of the Mexican ex-pats and their families would not have changed, it's far more likely that the Mexicans would simply travel home regularly and take the money with them. They can take $10k without having to declare it.

His assertion that it would be an investment in the economy has no basis

>The Mexican Economy & Government will be crushed under escalating tariffs if they don't stop illegal immigrants on their side of the border

And when the Mexican economy collapses, where do you suppose their citizens are going to go?

(Hint: It's to their north.)

It's an import tax that Americans pay for moron. Trump just raised the fuck out of your taxes and you all suck his little Cheeto dick for it. Idiots.

Fuck avocados. Tasteless shit.

You need the context of his entire post string. He starts by saying
>Any tool employed, wall included, to help stem the flow of billions of dollars wired home to central America each year will inevitably pay for itself in due time

>> Mexico will in effect be paying for the wall.
Hmmm. I don't remember him getting elected on "will in effect pay." You keep lowering the threshold, it's pathetic.

By raising taxes on Americans. Makes sense.

>multipronged trade war draining resources on all fronts
>mexico only import avacado XD
>libcucks btfo
Excellent work, Boris.

You haven't looked at our exports have you? Mexico could stop importing from us entirely, and the economy would be fine.

Your taste is tasteless

Can someone give me an example of a time sanctions or tariffs actually worked?

"We don't want higher prices. We don't want lower prices. We want National Socialist prices".

- Nazi moron, 1935

Seriously, the Jew baiting is a psychological way of avoiding the fact that Trump cut taxes on the super-rich and raised taxes on the middle class. $200 per household, and that's before the increases (ha!) on July 1st.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSiuQ5Sx98U

Strategic tariffs can sometimes work, but they have to be predictable if corporations are going to commit to investment.

Example: US, 19th century, building up its industrial capacity. Maybe South Korea, 1970s.

Many more examples of tariffs being clusterfucks or simple crony welfare.

I think that you haven't. We exported 299.1 billion to them in 2018. That makes them number 2 on who we export to.

You forgot about TVs and cars, both of which have a lot assembled in Mexico. And don't forget, Mexico doesn't pay the tariff - YOU DO!!. The dumfuck doesn't know how tariffs work

Yeah let's heavily tax Jose that makes $4/hr under the table and lessen the tax burden of rich people. That's exactly what jesus would do, our america founded in the christian values.
fuck, you stupid clowns.

Sanctions can work if you can get your allies on board. But they require patience. Example: Anti-Apartheid campaign, 1980s.

Lots of examples of them being conservative feel good posturing. Example: Periodic US trade sanctions on Soviet Union. Didn't do squat.

So increasing the poverty in Latin America will stem the tide of economic refugees? How do you figure?

WHAT ABOUT BALL IN A CUP?!?!?!?!!?!??
How will I spend my afternoons if I have to pay an increase on Mexico's favorite pastime? Tug one out, I don't think so
Orange Man Bad!!

This thread is tl:dr when I found it, but don't you get it?

It's not even about the Tariffs. The whole point is that we're trying to level the playing field for American industry. The labor in China is dirty cheap, and so they flood our market with cheap stuff. The tariffs aren't there to make china pay anything, they're there to promote domestic industry at the expense of people who would rather import shit from other countries.

It hurts importers, not domestic producers. It hurts china, not the US. Forget about the Tariffs, they are simply a tool employed to lower the amount we import from china and to hopefully spur domestic industry of those products.

This is what trump means by "China is paying for it" He's not really stupid, he knows importers pay the tariff. But he also knows it encourages domestic industry by severing a cheap foreign source.

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I just hope with Trumps losing trade war and now with the new failing tariffs, we get more bankrupt trump supporters who finally start seeing the light, and understand just how much they fucked america, by voting Republican

when trump's tariffs go into effect,foreign countrys are going to tell america and trump to fuck off.and its going to hurt america more then the countrys this moron wants it to effect

go figure you trusted a guy who bankrupted a casino with the economy

> It hurts china, not the US
Yeah, that is complete bullshit, retard.

>they fucked america by voting republican

right,because we really needed 4 more years of "you dont like black president,your a racist!"

Very dubious about this claim. You might have to read 6 articles before you can acquire *reassurance* from one of them.

The iron triangle of information:
Fast, cheap, accurate: choose 2.

>making shoes and electronics domestically
Fucking why?

It will definitely hit america, sure. But it will also affect the global economy. We have so much world-wide dependancies nowadays. It would be great if the Trumpism would just fuck up america, but it will hit everyone to some degree

That's not an argument. The tariffs are very much hurting Chinese business, which is why they are desperately retaliating. This is an objective fact.

dont get me wrong though,i dont support trump's tarriffs.but i find it hilarious how out of touch people still are with reality,democrats would of been worse when it comes to the economy and jobs

Your mom deserves what's cumming

niggers, mexico, and avocados can kiss my big fat ass

Did every conservative in the country skip 7th grade social studies?

yeah,but people only focus on trump with their rants about the economy.they forget that democrats are horrible when it comes to the economy also

And tariffs on Mexico hurt China how again? Try to keep up.

The latest tariffs on Mexico cost $200 per American household. And Trumpists love the punishment.

A fine whine but a Plutocrat enabler. Enjoy those tax hikes sucker!

I never said that the tariffs aren't hurting chinese business. But you said the tariffs didn't hurt the US, which is factually incorrect. So your post is bullshit. Please learn to read

And then, instead, gets their "news" from YouTube and glorified right-wing tabloids like OAN and breitbart

I have to admit you make a lot of sense, of course democrats would've been worse in the economic sense, they care about americans. That sucks for business. Not a single Republican cares if poor white trash farmer die. As long as they get Trump to get more wealthy tax cuts through congress, they let him fuck up whatever he wants.

Totally true. Trumpist knuckle draggers have little idea that most international trade is for intermediate products - *inputs* into other manufactured goods.

Those steel tariffs (recently reversed) did nothing for US steel workers, but screwed over heavy and light US manufacturers.

You know what's worse than protectionism? Dumb, erratic protectionism.

>that sucks for business

oh right,because a guy who's business record is filing for bankruptcy is so much better.i just hope the tariffs hurt people who voted for trump the most,since they deserve exactly what they voted for

You make no sense. You know Republicans fuck up the trade with dumb tarrifs and a pointless trade war. But argue that democrats would be worse, without any argument why. Republicans have zero idea what to do, except make tax cuts for rich people.

You gullible fool. They were spinning the same nonsense about Germany and Japan during the 1980s.

Neither country are our masters, you flaccid insecure imbecile.

You know who's at the cutting edge of world technology? Not China, but the US.

So, Trump gives a huge permanent tax cut to himself through the LLC provision and the rich, while giving a small, temporary tax cut to the rest of us.

It increased the deficit, which we'll have to pay back in a decade... with interest, of course.

And his tariffs will raise money, but will be paid for by the consumers. Another shit on the common people.

We'll have to get Democrats in control to be the responsible ones and reduce the deficit, get a surplus, and start paying down the debt.

That will require raising taxes on the rich, it will slow the economy some, and the Republicans will blame the Dems for the pain that the prior Republicans caused.

Americans have a short memory, unfortunately.

democrats would be worse because they have no clue how to run a succesful economy.thats why there cities and states look like 3rd world countrys

You are wrong. The tariffs hurt the US. I don't want to discuss something with you, if you don't understand how it works

not that it matters,trump is just as much of a democrat as your hillary women is.the difference between trump and hillary is at least hillary is honest about her political beliefs.trump is to stupid to realize educated people know he's a sack of left wing shit

$28 billion farm bailout says what?

Seriously, it seems like politics/economics is too complicated for you

Well we both know, Trump won't give a shit about a couple thousand farmers going bankrupt, until it is election time. So if you have a lot of money, voting Republican is profitable. The more dead farmers the better for them

That's a half-assed, half-reasoned argument. Our economic policy hasn't encouraged domestic production of anything.
We've outsourced our production thanks to rich assholes and regulatory+political capture.

>until it is election time

lol,republicans picking trump again is a guarenteed lose in 2020.since people know how much of a terrible president he is now

He in fact does give a shit, because his golf buddies will buy up all that cheap farmland. They're laughing at the farming rubes all the way to the bank.

Aren't the biggest companies all in democratic run states/cities? And aren't they the most economic successful? I think most Republican voting states are very far behind on both education and economic success

It's funny, because the blue states/cities are where all the money is. Where the expensive houses are. Where the high-paying, high-skill jobs are located.

The red States/rural areas are where you find poverty, welfare, and the unemployed low-skill workers that want their coal mining jobs back

also,voting republican isnt profitable anymore.once business owners see the tariffs in action,they'll say goodbye to america and the republican party

Never. Ever. Underestimate. Just. How. Dumb. The. Average. American. Voter. Is.

democrats version of economic success is whe detroit went bankrupt

>expensive houses are

that nobody is buying because they dont want to live in your over taxed hell holes

That is a good point, and potentially the only thing he can do to lose his support from the corrupt criminal GOP. If he stops being profitable for rich republicans he will get impeached fast

oh,i already know americans are idiots

>he will get impeached

democrats had their chance,and apparently.they cant even do that right,so now they decided their plan is to whine about trump as loud as possible

This is such a fucking troglodyte, caveman ass approach to Globalism. You'll never have control through manufacturing. Being the source of all new technology puts you heads and shoulders above the rest of peasants stills squabbling over mass production. You want to cuck me on my Nike's bitch? I'll sell my tech to your competitor who will blow you the fuck out of business and will be a happy rich customer for me.

republicans version of economic success is literally just farm land with zero schools and no big business except oil drilling

It would be nice to have a pair of work boots that don't start coming apart after only five or six months of wear.

Years ago I bought some American made hiking boots. They actually lasted me nearly 15 years. They may not have looked so pretty in the end, but they were in good shape and did their job still.

I'm sure you know more about it than me, but right now they are building a case. And need to be careful as they have to fight a very corrupt republican party, readily disrupting the rule of law, if it helps them. So they need to work this out slowly.

All the Republicans could talk about for 8 years was spending, and the deficit. Now they are silent.

>avocados can kiss my big fat ass

Oh the irony...

>zero schools

yeah,because america's education system is a success right? if we had it your way,you libtards would probably teach our kids how great socialism is,how bad guns are,and how we should all be tolerant towards the gays but not the christians because tolerance is a one way street with you guys

>they are building a case

you mean,liberal tears about russia? maybe in the almost 4 years you've whined about this.you could of improved your political party,because all you've did was divide the country even more

Can't even imagine a republicucks perfect school system. No books probably. Reading is for libtards after all, science is bad vodoo magic too. And vaccines cause autism. Am i right, retard?

>work boots

>america

your in the wrong country my friend.americans want socialism,they are fat,lazy and stupid

Did you read the mueller report, trumpcuck?

funny,since republicans seem more educated then you retards in your democrat cities who still cant figure out what bathroom to use

why would i want to read some whiney libtards report? ive heard enough of your whining about trump on a daily basis

Tariffs hurt free trade and consumer benefit.

They seem more educated, because you are retarded too. Confirmation bias. You think a trumpcuck shitting on Science is bigly "smart". While a normal person would argue, he is irrationally stupid

> why would i want to read
Now that is the most Republican thing i've read today

>they seem more educated

there is nothing educated about democrats,you idiots still think russia hacked the election and caused trump to win

of course,you pick and choose what to read

>avocado
Good, those shits are fucking disgusting anyways.

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besides,ive gotten over the election.you apparently,have not.so enjoy the liberal tears you think will improve america more then what trump is doing

Well what do you want me to say, trumpcuck. It is hard to argue about somethign, with someone who doesn't even want to read about the topic

Stop using words you don't understand.

If you are truely "gotten over the election" , trumpcuck. Read the mueller report. Why are you scared of finding out the truth?

Anyone that thinks the continual March towards centralized power, regardless of which party is in office, is a demonstration of separate parties is a fucking moron. The left/right paradigm is a sham. Wake the fuck up. Jesus

He never said or implied it would be literal cash in hand. Imagine not understanding how a bureaucracy functions. Oh wai-

You make no sense. Wake the fuck up. Jesus

Do you unironically believe Mexico will pay for the wall?

I own a restaurant and a lot of the produce I buy comes from Mexico, avos included obviously. A lot of my dishes contain avocados.

Afraid of raising prices to balance out the ridiculous consequences this stupid ass tariff shit will have. Competition is high around here, but if I don't raise prices, I lose profits from this already marginal industry.

Fuck this orange piece of shit you idiots literally meme'd into the white house.

No, one is definitely way more retarded than the other.

Trump actually said before the election that he'd pay off the US debt in 8 years by fixing the trade deficit with China.

Fools still voted for him.

alright kid,lets say you get you wish.and donald trump is impeached.then guess what you'll do? you'll treat mike pence the exact same way you treat donald trump,so keep crying with your libtard mueller about russia.i dont need to read some garbage some left wing baby wrote because even with trump impeached you still wont be happy

yeah,and fools voted for obama because he was black.yet,after 8 years.black people's lives are still the same,so who are the fools now?

Trumpcuck, why are you so scared of reading the mueller report? What terrifies you so much?

Still you. idiot.

im not scared,i just dont care.keep calling me a trumpcuck though,ive criticized trump alot

agreed

Why do you not care about America?

I have been middle-of-the-road middle-class for the past 18 years. And I can tell you that I feel wealthier now than I ever have through the last 3 presidents. So I'm enjoying it here for the middle class and will be gladly voting for his dumbass again in 2020 and fuck you cuck

i care about america,electing trump right after 8 years of obama only further proves how stupid americans are.republicans should of nominated somebody worth a shit,not a guy who makes childish nicknames for the people he doesnt like

>i feel wealthier now then i have ever through the last 3 presidents

what a moron,trump sure got you didnt he.because you shouldnt be more wealthy,you should feel the opposite.maybe your just to stupid and poor to know the difference

>he only cares for big companies

so thats why he's doing tariffs that are going to cause those big companies to tell america to fuck off and move elsewhere?

I never heard anyone bitching about German goods. German goods were and are synonymous with quality.

Japan at the time was still synonymous with cheap garbage. Eventually they got their shit together though and today are also synonymous with quality. As a machinist I tend to buy Japanese made tools because they are among the best.

China may also eventually get their shit together too. When that happens the prices will go up accordingly, and the playing field will become more level.

But, his supporters think childish nicknames is a winning argument, as you can see by their "arguments" here.

>his supporters

and why should i care what a bunch of morons think? his supporters arent even worth being called republican at this point

or wait,dont tell me.you actually think tariffs are going to help america? LOL

where do you think the tariff money is going to go?

They wouldn't be expensive if nobody wanted to live there. I live in an expensive as fuck city and it's awesome. I can walk to 4 different grocery stores and there's a playhouse down the street.

You call it an overtaxed hell hole because you're butthurt. Maybe you realize that, but more likely you don't.

there is a reason they import so much from us. they dont have an option

what people dont understand is,you need workers to build this wall.trump is hated by most the country,so maybe he can put on his hard hat and build the wall himself because nobody else wants it

Thou dost protest too much

why would i be butthurt? im here,enjoying freedom in the intelligent part of america,why your in the retard part of america who cant even own a gun and has to pay 20 dollars for a burger because he wanted to give the mcdonalds workers there 15 bucks an hour

>:::gibbers English-like:::
>likely either foreign or from the South

the people who dont have an option are americans,you morons dont understand tariffs are going to hurt america more then the countrys your idiot president wants them to hurt

Yes, it's money going to the government. Some people, normal ass citizens, have this ridiculous and mistaken notion that somehow they'll be the ones holding all that money before the government. They're retarded. It's more like getting a reparation for something of yours being stolen in the past, in this case the government is being paid a reparation in the form of additional tax on the nation trying to import. It's happening m8.

You've got an incorrect picture of what a farmer is these days, in your head. They are more likely to be business men in $10k suits, sitting in an office, in a major city. The small, family farm is all but extinct and has been for quite some time now.

the tariffs on $265 billion from mexico to the us? into american consumers obviously. prizes will go up as they always do with these things.

really? he won't find any companies that would get paid to do the construction job? wow. poor orange man

what goverment? the mexican goverment? because they dont run mexico,the cartels do.your trump guy already got fucked on the wall,its not going to happen.democrats are making sure of that,lets hope in 2020.we get a president with a solution that works,not another idiot who thinks fear mongering and walls will be the solution

>companies with people willing to risk their life because of a failed immigration plan

companies hate trump,you can thank his tariffs for that.to bad you trumptards dont have a clue how business's work,just like your retard president and how many of them he's bankrupted

besides,times running out.and democrats will block anything wall related anyway.in 2020,we'll have a democrat senate to go along with the house.so even if trump gets re elected,his glorious wall still wont be built

Wat? I'm a machinist. I work in an environment where I need steel/composite toe boots. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the politics, or weight of the average American citizen. Are you just pretending to be retarded or something?

Am I more free if I live in a top 10 city and make 250k/yr and don't give a fuck if I pay 20 bucks for an avo burger, because it's only 20 bucks?

Or are you more free if you live in bible-land and have to drive a car 20 minutes to get to the gas station or food place where you have to check the prices of everything?

I dunno, guess it depends. I've certainly been poor in a shit city and felt much less freedom.

i'm Dutch hehe.
but you really think 100% of all the companies are anti trump. in this day and age. must be sad to be this stupid.

Free trade is shit though. It benefits the wealthy, and no one else.

We're still getting their money though, so I'm not sure what you're grasping at. The wall gets built on daily too.

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>bible-land

there goes that "tolerant"liberal,badmouthing christianity again.well,enjoy flipping burgers at mcdonalds for 15 bucks an hour,since thats the only jobs still in liberal states because you chased the rest of them away

>im dutch

go back to smoking your weed then kid,trump is horrible for business.he thinks he's gonna win his tarriff situation but its only going to backfire and hurt americans more

You don't talk to him like that. He has special needs, and you should be more patient with people like that. Wake the fuck up. Jesus.

either that,or the real jobs realized the party of welfare queens dont want to work anyway.so they moved to the republican states

that is the case with all trade wars user. you gotta look at the bigger picture here. behind the economical agenda there is a political agenda. which you should be far more worried about.
Oh and the Dutch don't smoke that much, it's more a tourist thing.

California is the fifth largest economy in the world. NY state is the thirteenth largest economy in the world. Y'all shoot yourselves in the foot when you say such dumbass shit

>you gotta look at the bigger picture here

i am,trump thinks he's gonna win this tariff thing,but he's only going to lose and make america even worse with the result.ive said from day 1 the only reason he got elected is because of the uneducated vote,and he continues to prove this

I'm not tolerant of any religion at all, they're all bad institutions with bad history.
The religious are either stupid, brainwashed, or hate people.

>dumbass shit

like what? the fact detroit,that has been democrat for generations,was the city that went bankrupt? democrats dont want to accept reality.there cities and states are full of poverty,crime and ignorance.we gave them 8 years and they didnt do shit in terms of improving the country,now's the time to sit down and shut up

It's only that large because it is subsidized by China, we don't even own California anymore. It might as well be a foreign nation-state with shit quality of life.

GO TO HELL

then again,you talk about "dumbass shit"but use words like "y'all".so maybe id suggest sounding like a intelligent person if you want to complain about intelligence

You said liberal states have no jobs so I pointed out two that have larger economies that most countries and you come back with Detroit, a city. Are you truly this fucking stupid?

you realize the city your beloved trump guy comes from is as democrat city.full of the same trash that california has right? think about that the next time you want to make fun of democrat states like california

i'll try one more time: trump doesn't care about the tradewar, it's just a way of getting other shit in action.

ehhhh, not so sure about that. Gerrymandering is a real thing. Look what happened in the midterms! It was unbelievable.
2020 is probably going to be a repeat of 2016, as much as it hurts to type it.

"They're so expensive because there's no demand!"

I swear, it's like being retarded is a prerequisite for conservatism these days

nope,are you stupid? because you sure the fuck seem to be.democrat states are the ones chasing the jobs away and the jobs are moving to republican states,there's a reason why the fastest growing cities in america are located in texas and not your left wing cesspools

>trump doesnt care about the tradewar

he will,when it causes him to lose the election

Sorry, U.S., you voted for a selfish dumbass - so Mrs. Merkel is the leader of the free world now.

Will be hard to get back into the game, sorry.
But only americans care - so what, lol.

"The party with all the college graduates is the uneducated one. The one with all the high school dropouts that want to turn public school into Bible camp are the educated ones"

no,there expensive because you braindead liberals have increased the cost of living in your shitty poverty and crime ridden states

>college graduates

>meaning thats what educated is

im sorry you think brainwashing people into voting for your socialist left wing candidates is what education is suppose to be,maybe you can go riot over another milo speech

which is funny to,since apparently.democrats only cater to the faggots when they are democrat faggots,since milo yiannapolous is a faggot himself

And im trynna make some guac for cheap you stupid niggers

i stuck my dick in some guac and some mexican whore licked it off

Can confirm, expensive-ass cities are great to live in, assuming you can afford it

I grew up in a town with a public park every 4 blocks, virtually no crime, and fantastic access to public transportation and economic hubs like silicon valley, SF and, to a lesser extent, the east bay.

Can't afford to live there, now, though. A 1b/1b apartment there is over 2k

You sound like your only experience with California has been through the TV and the computer

I was born and lived in California, it's shit, its policies are shit and the people are just as shitty for sticking with it like a captain going down with his burning ship. I know enough about Trump, I know he's been a Democrat, Independent AND Republican throughout his life, that shows he's not an ignorant person that blindly follows party doctrine. He's seen the best and worst of every party and is trying to do what he can with them. You haters just need to educate yourselves and get out of your boxes with their narrow viewpoint.

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If you floated that theory to an economist (or anyone with an education, really), they'd piss themselves laughing

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>can't form a reply
>let's just call it bait
kek

>he only cares for the big companies
and what fucking president hasn't held the interest of big corporations over le 99 percent?.

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>you haters need to educate yourself

haha,a trump supporter telling other people to educate theirself.how about this,is you were educated,your party wouldnt of nominated donald fucking trump.they would of told that new york city libtard to go fuck himself,but why should i waste my time arguing with the crowd who labels everything negative towards their president fake news,you tell me that.since trump isnt mature enough to be president in the first place

>theirself
>being this mad over someone hitting the nail on the head

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Keep traps in /hm/

Mexican beer is worthless shit.

lol what a redneck retard you are

geez, atleast 1 guy here who understands how tariffs work

do you even understand how capitalism works? If you make products that will last for decades, soon you will have nobody your products sell to, because everyone are still using them and you will go bankrupt

the bugdet? From there prolly to military or some other useless shit that will not benefit you one bit

Good, it will pressure the poor to learn a skill to get a better job win/win

Tariffs only work when production can ramp up domestically to meet demand. I don’t know about avocados grown in the US but I doubt any farm will choose to move quick enough to increase produce. Especially not under this flaky administration.

avocados don't grow in the states and it takes years to get the first crop

Donald Trump's grandfather rans whore houses. His father was a slumlord who sold little Donny's tender pink ass to Roy Cohen. Trump is a conman who never earned a single thing in his worthless life. Has filed for bankruptcy protection six times. Steals money from charities. Wants to fuck his own daughter. Sucks up to Israel when not tonguing Vladimir Putin's asshole. And despite being leader of the free world, he has plenty of time to use Twitter to spew drivel. He's a loser and no matter how much money/fame/power he has, he'll never be loved or respected which are the things he craves most of all.

Meanwhile his supporters are cockroaches whose hivemind runs on fear, hate and stupidity and worship a cartoon frog while supporting a fake President because they're fake Americans who have no convictions and will say/do anything to justify their position at any given moment. This is why they spent DECADES railing against Russia but are now perfectly happy that their idol is in the pockets of a fascist dicator who MURDERS critics, dissenters and political opponents. This is one of the reasons why Trump sucks up to Putin, because he admires that sort of power, the other is that his credit rating is soo terrible that he's been recieving money from Russia and China for decades. Of course he could prove me wrong by releasing his tax records but that will never happen because it would prove his treasonous activity against the United States of America and reveal that his supporters are enemies of the USA and everything it stands for!!!

He's a silver spoon fed trust fund sniveling coward. Only people who voted for him are retards who remember the 1980's being the last good era of the USA, not realizing that it's people like Trump who sold the country out with NAFTA and Free Trade which is why their jobs got shipped to slave labor countries. Proof that Republicans/Conservatives are complete and utter fucking cretins with subhuman I.Q.'s!!!FACT!

>capitalism is designed to fail

And you think this is good for civilization over the long run?

Mexico will sell their stuff somewhere else because of trump raises taxes he broke any treaty with Mexico and Canada. Also Mexico will raise the import taxes on American goods

My cousin's wife's family owns an avocado farm in California.

You are so stupid it makes me think conservatives like you vote for anything

of course not, that's why capitalism will fail like any other economic system, you can't have infinite growth in the world with finite resources

Hopfully but I doubt it keep up the optimism though

What msm sources do you find reputable?

Trump doesn't have the patience for tariffs or sanctions.

Even when they work- and that's pretty rare- they aren't a quick-fix.

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>pretending like the real cost increases won’t come from Chinese goods.

This. Just like the solar panels there weren’t enough domestic manufacturers to pick up the slack. Prices for us just went up.

Wow his skin looks bad. Hydrate, dude!

Is that why TrumPinocchio just cost tax payers several billion dollars in corporate farm bail outs
That's literally the only thing that's going to happen.

...Dumb ass

OH and now Russia is undercutting the USA for soy and other tariff items and picking up the slack from Russia Make Russia communist again !!!