By what year do you think mankind will wake up from its outer space and globe earth delusion?

By what year do you think mankind will wake up from its outer space and globe earth delusion?

It seems like we have another 20 years and then we will actually use our brains and wake up

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Hopefully soon brother. People are just beginning to finally wake up and realize that the earth isn't actually flat and that they're being lied to.

Alright, what are your methodologies and evidences to prove that the earth isn’t a globe and that outerspace is bull?
Don’t fucking tell me to google it like all you flat earther retarded pieces of shit tend to do all the time, i’ve had 2 retards outside of Yea Forums trying hard to convince but all they could do is intense mental gymnastics and in the end kept telling me to google if i want to know

Bitch, i ain’t asking google, you are trying to sell me something THEN DO IT RIGHT YOU FUCKTARD

google it yo

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Replace globetard with flat earther and this is 110% spot on

dude why did you wreck me so hard right now?? wth man??

I've watched Eddie Bravo and Alex Jones on the Joe Rogan podcast and I'm pretty convinced now

I think Armageddon will happen before everyone wakes up

You're basically saying gravity isn't real, or that you don't understand how billions of liters of gas work on massive bodies in space

Gravity is not scientifically proven to CAUSE anything by experiment. So You can't have an unproven force negating a natural law. You can't demonstrate gas pressure without a container. You can't show gravity maintaining gas pressure against a vacuum.

This post lacks gravity too.

Lol. Globe Zealots sure love their fake gravity. I think your reality lacks gravity. Please cite me a scientific experiment that proves gravity, that'd be awesome

Ever dropped anything?

Well first dropping something isn't a scientific experiment whatsoever. You're just observing an effect, you can't prove a causation.
But I'll go along with your retard logic.
If dropping something is a scientific experiment name the hypothesis, then the independent variable, dependent variable and how you manipulated the IV to measure its effects with the DV

Is it scientific if a scientist drops something?

Anyone can be a scientist really. You just gotta follow the scientific method. Unfortunately gravity fails on all fronts of the scientific method.

Nah nigga, pretty sure it doesn't.

Of course, nothing has proven gravity yet. It's still a theory, which means it has consensus that the theory is true, and never been proven wrong.

Can you give me anything to make me question gravity?

You're pretty sure? Then show me a single scientific experiment that follows the scientific method that proves gravity please. You dropping something is just an observation and you can't prove causation.

Hypothesis: Gravity exists.
Experiment:Will drop a ball.
Outcome: Ball has floated into space.
Results: Gravity has stopped existing.

Yeah the fact that it's never been proven ever lol. And those who have tried to, failed. Yet the entire globe model is built upon it. Space can't exist on the heliocentric model because it violates natural laws of science. It's theories built upon theories.

Yeah but like why does it fall then bro?

Stop being a complete and utter retard

Gravity is a working theory, and I find it to be true. It has never been disproven. If you can disprove gravity doesn't exist, and we can create a new theory, you will become rich and famous...Fo' Real.

I really am intrigued... What means gravity doesn't exist?

So you can't? Great. Like I said before, gravity has never been proven. I don't need gravity. You do lol. Things fall based on relative density, denser than the medium its in: it falls. So a brick would fall. And if something is lighter than it will rise like steam or a helium balloon.

The year you and all your retarded family die. Flat earth is a test to separate the lowest performing intellectuals from us humans. Hopefully soon you’ll be branded for the useless shit you are.

A lot of human discovery and tech is built on theories, and as such, the theory of gravity has never been wrong. Why do you think it is wrong?

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Why are the other planets named after pagan gods?

Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor asserting that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim, and if this burden is not met, the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.

I don't need a magical psudo force like gravity, you do. Just because you have an explanation doesn't make it a concrete reality my guy. Gravity is a belief. It's an abstract idea

Yo dog, I'm not feeling you. You's puttin all these ideas in my head, I don't like it.

This actually isnt a problem at all, and shows a very minimalistic understanding of the problem.
Theres no hard lines involved here, which is what your graphic assumes, and it also doesn't take gravity into account.

>Nasa is full of shit though
Explain

So, heavier things would settle at the bottom, and lighter things would rise... Sounds like gravity to me.

Really, just give me one reason to not believe in gravity, and you will change my life. I'm really interested.

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Theres LIGO, which detects gravitational waves.
A shit ton of math, also proving it.
Tons and tons of observational evidence

I'm sure it has lol.
I know it's wrong because it's never been proven. Water sticking to a spinning ball is something a zealot believes. Space doesn't exist, water will always seek and maintain its level. You can't touch gravity, measure it nor manipulate it. In order for gravity to be real you have to assume it is in the first place

Using big words doesn’t make you smart. The incorrect usage just makes this writing reek of idiot.

So what do you propose is keeping us on the earth?

I just copied it from wiki lol. I wasn't trying to come off as smart I was telling him that I don't have to disprove gravity because it's never been proven to begin with

If this were true, then we would see a bowling ball with a weight if 20 pounds fall much faster than a rock of 5 pounds, yet we dont see that happen.

So, if I get you right, you think gravity doesn't exist because there isn't a formal proof? However, if I drop something, it falls, which is an informal proof, and that is proof enough for non retarded members of society.

You just keep bringing up "no proof" like it makes you smart or special or something... Please, give me a reason to not believe in gravity, other than "It's just a theory."

Well it's got to be suction cups.

I hope your bitch ass gets drafted by the space force and dies on an alien planet.

Back in my day, we didn't need gravity. We stuck to earth because we loved it.

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Show me that there IS something keeping us in the earth, and that if that something wasn't there we'd fly off

LIGO claimed to measure 1/1000 of a fucking proton. Yknow there's not a actual single photo a proton right? There's not even a real image of an atom (not saying I don't believe in atoms or shit but I'm just saying we don't have the technology to view these claims yet somehow they did)
Also math doesn't prove reality. What do you think Einstein did with the theory of relatively lmao. And like I said before observations don't mean shit because you can watch a pencil drop 10000 times, you still can't prove gravity is causing that.

Not gravity bud. Gravity keeps water on a ball lol. Density does not. Gravity is a belief while density is clearly proven with actual scientific experiments. You just have a presupposition that when something falls it HAS to be a force pushing it down, when it's not.

It's alright man I feel you. I felt the same way when I first heard about flat earth. I know it's crazy, you've been taught the heliocentric model your whole life. But if you actually critically think about the globe you'll realize it's the dumbest shit ever

Gravity has never been proven to cause anything by experiment ever. You have no proof of gravity

What are you talking about? If you drop them at off a table probably, but if you dropped them of a building the heavier object will fall faster.

If you have nothing, just say it. You can't go "Gravity doesn't real." And then just say, "I don't know why we don't float off lol."

Oh grow up you infantile summer fag!

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REAL SCIENCE
I'm being serious here.

The heavier object falls at the same rate as a lighter object, ignoring air resistance. In a vacuum, a feather falls the same speed as a brick. Outside a vacuum, a basketball falls the same speed as a bowling ball.

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I've said it several times. I don't need gravity, you do. You can choose to believe in gravity that's cool I guess. But don't take your abstract ideas and expect me to abide by them. You're dumb heliocentric model claims there's water sticking to a giant space ball lol. It also claims that there are people at the bottom of this alleged ball. You're whole idea is based upon the assumption that gravity is real. I'm not trying to come off as omnipotent when I ask for proof of gravity. If you believe in that's fine. But when you want to claim that it's a concrete reality then I want some evidence

>not understanding how photographs work
So... bubble chambers aren't a thing to you, electron scanning microscopes, the data collected by LHC, all perfectly following mathematical predictions before each experiment...?

I've already given my explanation of why things fall. You just seem to be upset that you know gravity can't be scientifically proven. I'm not gonna claim I know absolutely everything, nor would I ever think that. There's lots I don't understand about the flat earth. When you constantly need explanations for things you end up with bullshit like gravity and space and a ball earth

You've been prevented with evidence, but always come back with "muh beliefs"

You cant simply dismiss observational evidence, then claim to want more. This is delusion at its finest

Matb doesn't prove a reality. I can take anything and wrap it in a mathematical equation. You still couldn't show me a single picture of a proton. It's also still doesn't prove gravity. Try harder globe Zealot

>I don't understand science and neither do you!

I feel like with a bit of light reading into the scientific method, you would understand and believe in simple scientific concepts. How do you feel about all of the technology we use as people being based on an unproven concept? Does it scare you that planes may accidentally fall into space?

Except you cant, and certainly wouldnt be able to predict the results if an experiment before its proven, which is done pretty often
That's the great thing about math, it requires no belief at all. Its concrete and provable

Not at all. Space doesn't exist so not sure what youre talking about lol.
Don't necessarily have a problem with theories itself. I have a problem with pseudoscience. And gravity is pseudoscience

Math describes a reality lol. Just because you have a mathematical equation and it "works" doesn't prove fuck all. You still have zero scientific evidence that proves gravity

I've been presented with zero scientific evidence that proves gravity actually. Upset I see lol

you don't exist, to prove it try playing in traffic

user...
You just admitted it describes reality
If an equation is observed to be correct, that does prove "fuck all", as in its correct

That is scientific evidence

Ohhh
Haha I'm dumb
Thanks for playing user

I'd love to actually see two things falling at the same rate in a vaccum. I haven't seen it yet, I also haven't seen it been proven to fall at "9.8 meters p/s^2" I think the BBC did one but of course they cut away like fucking morons. Also they didn't release the objects at the same time either

No I said it describes. Not proves. Math is a human concept. When we take an observation and apply math to it that doesn't prove anything. Certainly doesn't prove gravity. There's not a single scientific experiment that proves gravity. It's all just observing and math. You need the scientific method to prove something in science bud

Yeah, you claimed gravity wasn't a thing first. Real retard or good troll not sure which

Nice strawman. I don't really care to be honest. If believing in gravity gets you through the day then be my guest

this is why everyone thinks murricans are stupid

Yeah gravity isn't real. Is never been proven to CAUSE anything by experiment ever. You just assume it's real. I don't need to disprove gravity because you've yet to prove it yourself lol.

Behold!
A feather and a bowling ball being dropped, both in and out of a vacuum.

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Who gives a fuck if everything we know is a lie? FACT is.. we all live a certain amount of time and then we're dead forever... who really gives a rats ass what the truth is.

You're a fucking mung. I just mentioned that they cut away from it and then play it in slowmo. Also they were even released at the same time lol. Also they don't show it falling at the rate either. So double negative here. There's still not a good video of a bowling ball and a feather falling a the same rate.

What do you think happens when rockets go really really high then? Infinite sky?

Weren't* my bad

They just don't want people to know that life on earth is MUCH older than everyone thinks it is and that humans have been essentially wiped out countless times.

Odds are all the things that we study as incredible wonders are incorrectly dated and/or were appropriated by the group of humans that came after the collapse. Those monuments are all that survived. The pryamids may have been made 50,000 years ago and went through 2,3,4 extinctions, were reappropriated and rebuilt/reused.

They don't want people to know that it's just a matter of time before the universe wipes the planet clean again and there's nothing they can do about it.

You didn't watch the video, you can see it.

Here's another one.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=QyeF-_QPSbk

So respond with no evidence again? Yeah you're just a troll. Get a life man.

They definitely don't go to space. Also rockets don't just launch straight "up" into the sky, they go into a parabolic curve. More than likely crashing into sea once they get out of view of any bystanders.

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It reminds me of some nutjob who was saying that Napoleonic wars were waged with thermonuclear weapons, and then information about ancient nukes was hidden.

Not what I asked you.

Space doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics, the universe we live in is not the finished product. In a few billion years Heat Death will occur, all the energy in the universe will be evenly distributed across the expanse and all that will be left is a diluted gas of photons and leptons that will also eventually decay.

You are right that you can't have gas pressure without a container, that's why when the sun expands and warms up Mars in a few million years all that ice will turn to water and any water vapor will be blown off the planet due to a lack of an atmosphere. On Earth our atmosphere is the physical barrier that keeps us in a container filled with gasses like oxygen. Before the sun consumes the earth it will burn off our planets atmosphere, releasing all oxygen and water vapor into the void of space to never return.

The answer is obvious. They hit the ceiling retard. I didn't think I would have to say it.

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How high is the ceiling? Is the sun just a powerful light bulb?

Can you not read? Or are you being dumb on purpose. It's called Hitchens razor bud
Oh trust me I've seen it several times lol. It doesn't change the fact that it's in slowmo and they cut away from it fully dropping. I actually do want to see them dropping but this video doesn't show it completely nor in a normal way lol. If you can find a better video that would be great. One that ACTUAL shoes then dropping and that they were released at the exact same time and also measured the rate of the fall

Oh I see what you were asking. I don't think there's in infinite sky lol. I do believe in the firmament. I'm not sure how high it is though

Holy shit user.

I am a legit scientist, and you are pretty wrong about like... 60% of that.

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>It's never been proven ever
That's why it's called a theory. Theories exist until something more plausible comes along that replaces the older theory with the more probably one. So far the theory of gravity has not been disproven and our models that rely on it so far have worked, thus suggesting it's probable that gravity is a thing.

Do you have a hypothesis, independent variable, dependent variable and data on how you manipulated the IV to measure its effects with the DV? Genuine question. If you have evidence that gravity isn't real then by not sharing it you are preventing the human race from coming up with a better model and holding us back technologically for seemingly no reason

This is cool and all. But it's all bullshit. Theoretical physics is a joke. None of what you said can be tested nor observed to happen lol. Also space doesn't violate entropy, big time. And the atmosphere is definitely not a physical barrier. And if you think that please demonstrate that claim.

>Makes claim gravity doesn't exist first
>expects others to prove gravity exists
How does it feel being an autist?

2019... morons everywhere.
It's like there is a giant competition to be as stupid as humanly possible.
The only time where so much win is exactly not that.

They have 3 great shots in both videos. 1 close at dropping, so you can see them being dropped at the same time, 1 far away so you can watch them fall at the same rate, and 1 close so you can watch them hit the ground at the same time... 3 perfect shots.

Or... are you the type that's going to disagree with anything that makes you question your worldview?

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This guy describes how science works. But flatearthers dont want to hear it

>Gravity is not scientifically proven to CAUSE anything by experiment.
Yes it is.

Maybe 30% actually.

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Like I said I don't have to disprove gravity. I simply don't believe in it because it's pseudoscience. It's the only things that makes the heliocentric model works. Your model is literally held together by fake science.
>y-yeah I can't prove it b-but you can't disprove... Hah! Gotcha

This certainly doesn't make me question my world view. Something dropping in a vaccum doesn't prove anything whatsoever. And no they don't show one continuous shot of the objects falling normally. They cut away into a closeup, then cut to a bunch of people. You can do better

Please name that scientific experiment. Id love to see that

>Oh trust me I've seen it several times lol. It doesn't change the fact that it's in slowmo and they cut away from it fully dropping. I actually do want to see them dropping but this video doesn't show it completely nor in a normal way lol. If you can find a better video that would be great. One that ACTUAL shoes then dropping and that they were released at the exact same time and also measured the rate of the fall

There you go. A camera was attached to a Russian space rocket Soyuz taking off on April 28, 2016:

youtube.com/watch?v=k2q6y_e1kyY

I'm really asking it rhetorically to be honest. This isn't my first time discussing gravity with people. I already know that gravity has never been proven lol. Some people think it has though.

When do they ever...?
It's just like religion, there is no proof at all, but they rant on.

The actual mechanics on this are so way beyond your comprehension it hurts.
Take a fucking class on this, read, educate, don't be a religious nutcase,

Do you believe in any of the 4 fundamental forces?
-Gravity
-Electro-magnetism
-Strong nuclear force
-Weak nuclear force

especially they claim something, but want others to proof it. Wat
'religion' is a good description tho

Cavendish experiment.

You are talking about buoyancy. Buoyancy is a reaction force. What force is buoyancy acing against?

´"Believe"?
Whet the actual fuck....
How far down are you planning on taking this?
On a quantum level? Further?

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>Please name that scientific experiment. Id love to see that

CAVENDISH has no viable independent variable nor a observed natural phenomena(1) First, Cavendish did not determine either G or M: he determined the average density of the earth, which he expressed as a specific gravity, or a ratio of the earth's density to the density of water.
Cavendish unfortunately doesn't follow the scientific method bud. Try again

>>y-yeah I can't prove it b-but you can't disprove... Hah! Gotcha
That's not at all what I'm saying though, I'm genuinely curious as to your data that suggest that gravity isn't real. You keep saying that you don't believe in it and don't have to disprove it, which is no different from me saying I do believe it and don't have to prove it. Please stop being overly sensitive and stop taking genuine curiosity as some kind of attack on your assertion.

You talk very confidently that we are wrong for believing in gravity, I'm asking you elaborate and show in what way. You were the one who put forth the criteria I used in my previous post, I'm just asking you to show your evidence based on the metric you yourself set as a requirement for proof. I genuinely want to know because that would mean we are all speaking to one of the greatest scientific minds of the 21st Century. I genuinely wish to be enlightened. So can you pull the stick out of your ass and show us how wrong we are or are just going to keep being smarmy in response to a desire to be educated about the true nature of our existence?

>I already know that gravity has never been proven
Your knowledge is incorrect. The hypothesis of gravitation between objects with mass has been experimentally verified.

Sure bud. Gravity is just "so advanced and way beyond my comprehensive abilitie" what a joke. Get fucked globe Zealot

Isn't the basis of this dicussion not "believing" in gravity?

WRONG. mass attracting mass isn't even the current belief in the heliocentric model. Learn you're own globe bud

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No one should bait this crap.
Otherwise you become part of the problem, the guy is insane, and he should not have airtime anywhere, including here...

it is though

>be me
>pic related

nah, if you keep everyone isolated who is wrong then you're actually making it worse. They when go to their own echo chambers where they will not be questioned and even more insane shit will come of it. Plus you make them feel even more isolated which will only make their drive of fuckery even stronger.

Questioning everything is the basis on which we improve things. It's the very heart of science.. sure he's a bit whack a doo and evasive.. but a question is a question.

You don't know what the Cavendish experiment is, it is the first accurate measurement of G (though at the time Cavendish was measuring the specific gravity of Earth it still verified the existence of gravity), and variants on it can be used to experimentally verify gravity today. It also very clearly follows the scientific method. It has an independent variable (torsion coefficient of the wire) and dependent variable (force acting against the torsion coefficient of the wire). It had a hypothesis and the experiment is falsifiable and repeatable.

Then not when sorry have a lazy eye that's being a bitch this morning

You me and the rest of the population on this earth, minus a few nutjobs.

Newtonian gravity exists on the Solar scale and has been proven experimentally on scales down as far as a single room. Be less in denial please.

It's like asking me to disprove Bigfoot lol. That's fine if you believe it. It's not really fine because it's spawned the globe model but nonetheless it's is fine to believe in something. Gravity can't be experimentally proven, it can't be observed, it can't be manipulated nor contained. It's just always "there" gravity is an ad hoc for the globe. Can't have gravity without a globe and can't have a globe without gravity.

Even tesla thought the theory of relatively wasn't true. I can't "disprove" gravity in the sense you're talking because it's not even there. Even in the heliocentric model gravity isn't a force. It's a consequence. It's just math. And the math just so happens to work in the theory but that doesn't prove a reality.

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OK, I claim this thread doesn't exist!
(Did it disappear?)
Problem is, I have read a lot on the subject, but I need to grab so far down the toolchest to explain such a basic thing that I really don't care to do it.
I know we have a problem with Dark matter, and the possibility of it being a byproduct of some sketchy interactions on gravity. But it's really not worth the effort.
like flat earth nut jobs, you just cant beat a crowd of morons, they just validate themselves in the crowd.

Do you completely deny the possibility of gravity?

Please understand, I participated because I have genuine curiosity in alternative beliefs for the universe, and I was hoping this user could give me some food for thought and not the devoid shit he/she has been posting. I don't want to become less curious and ignore what could be an alternative view.

LHC much?

Wouldn’t water sticking to a ball in space be evidence enough of gravity because there’s something obviously keeping the water in place, not even you can deny that you retard

Was "this thread doesn't exist!" A question? Nope.

>Gravity can't be experimentally proven, it can't be observed,
Still with this lie.

That exact experiment was conducted by Gallilo or someone like him in history

You do know that we can actually measure time with 18 decimal precision?
We are able to measure time so correctly that moving the clock up 1 meter is enough to detect time speeding up.
We can even place clocks like that around mountains to measure density.
None of this would be possible otherwise.
Your GPS would not work.... (and a million other examples, that crushes your one claim).

Definition of science is the study of the natural world Not the study of man-made Contraptions. We know their causes-Man. Problem with Cavendish is the following, you have no P value, it does not correlate with falling , there's no observed natural phenomenon, there is no evidence of universality. Find your Cavendish in the natural world please.
Also you're not manipulating gravity so it doesn't prove it. It DOES NOT follow the scientific method champ. Keep clinging to your Cavendish. And the best part is that it's NOT repeatable. People fail it all the time.

>dropping something in a vacuum doesn’t prove anything
Of course when presented with an actual answer and proof of what was claimed you, like every other person who chooses not to believe in things just to be a special snowflake, just choose to ignore it

Genuinely kill yourself, getting your genes out of the gene pool would be an epic win for society

It's not a lie. Show me a scientific experiment where gravity was proven to be the cause bud

That you even had to write this is an outrage

I like Cavendish french fries. Science 1 you 0

I've done the vacuum drop experiment, first year of university. It happens. You don't even need a vacuum if you do it with two identically sized spheres of differing densities. The uniform nature of Earth's gravitational acceleration is the reason aerospace engineers can do their job. Without it everything is just dirigibles. They accellerate at the same rate. You denying it because you don't like it without ever having attempted the experiment yourself just makes you am uninformed moron.

>Genuine questions using your own metric while giving you the benefit of the doubt and wanting to wake up from the lie you describe the first post
>"It's like asking me to disprove Bigfoot lol"

>Genuine willingness to discard something I have no personal stake in and take your word of data at face value
>"That's fine if you believe it. It's not really fine because it's spawned the globe model but nonetheless it's is fine to believe in something."

>Already aware and have established that theories=/=facts, thus the name "the theory of gravity"
>Gravity can't be experimentally proven, it can't be observed, it can't be manipulated nor contained. It's just always "there" gravity is an ad hoc for the globe. Can't have gravity without a globe and can't have a globe without gravity.

>Genuinely asking you to at-least provide some kind, literally any shred, of evidence based on your own criteria set in your own thread
>Even tesla thought the theory of relatively wasn't true. I can't "disprove" gravity in the sense you're talking because it's not even there.

If Gravity is not even there then there must be other forces at work that cause things to fall down, unless there is no reason and it happens just because. Which is a very unscientific explanation for that kind of phenomenon. I'm willing to come over to your side and inform everyone I know that things fall not because of gravity but for some other reason, even bring it up as a fun fact at the bar to strangers. I am sincerely willing to convert to your viewpoint and all I ask to do so is for you to hold yourself to the standard you set as a requirement for proof to change your mind. I implore you, I genuinely wish to see the light. If gravity isn't what makes things fall or keeps us stuck to the ground then what does?

No. Space is impossible on the heliocentric model my friend

I second that, that set of genes need to be purged.

I'm sorry... Your statements actually completely prove me right?

Well if you want to call things simply falling gravity than no. But I Deny newtonian and Einsteinian gravity completely because they have no scientific evidence at all

Actually, so much this.
I like how that reply got ignored, although not having arguments tend to help

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I was referring to dropping something in a vaccum doesn't prove gravity. I genuinely want to see two things fall at a constant rate inside a vacuum, the video you posted twice doesn't. It's heavily edited

Then why is water sticking to a big ball in space?
>hurr durr uhh magic?
No it’s gravity you autist, hell, call the force ‘BBC’ because then you’ll probably swallow the whole concept instantly

God you're an idiot.
I'm out - explaining how a car works to a duck Kill get the same result.
Keep living in your moronic bubble, it probably helps keep the bad dragons away.

Many replies have been ignored.. there's lots of replies.

It wasn’t me that posted it but it’s quite clearly evident.
So what’s your explanation of why things with the same surface area will fall at the same rate regardless of their weight?

Can't tell if you're rooting for me or against me. Either way it's true

First there is no such thing as this "constant" rate. It's an agreed upon number. An average if you will. I don't care how much you think it helps people do their jobs. Gravity isn't real

If you aren't willing to explain it, shut the fuck up about it in the first place.

Today on shit flat Earthers say
>Cavendish doesn't follow the scientific method and isn't repeatable
and other outrageous claims.

Here it is being repeated.
youtu.be/UgWaYng2eRg
youtu.be/11sLusnVZwM
youtu.be/jkjqrlYOW_0
youtu.be/Ym6nlwvQZnE
Ad nauseam

No. You're asserting that there has to be a force that causes things to fall. You're just protecting. Also gravity isn't a force so I don't know why you keep saying stuff about "force"

Go do the experiment.

You do realise that the ‘heliocentric model’ only relates to the sun being in the centre of the solar system right?

What water is sticking to the ball in space? You have a dumb thought experiment and want me to act like its real? Space can't exist because it violates the second law of thermodynamics guy

If gravity isn't real then why are all the other planets in the solar system round?
And before you start spewing some hot garbage about how the heliocentric model is false, why dont you just go buy a fucking telescope and observe this shit yourself?

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>The effects of gravity on time (time dilation) can be experimentally verified, even mountains affect it!
>This somehow shows that you can't demonstrate gravity .

Fucking. Imbecile. Good, quit, you weren't arguing very well anyway.

I have a question, can you prove vacuum without a container?

>what water?
You must be trolling, either that or this is some unprecedented autism

There is such thing as a constant rate. Go drop something in a vacuum chamber and use light gates to measure acceleration. You will return a value at or extremely close to 9.8 m s^-2. Every time.

Every.
Single.
Time.

No matter what the object is.

Every.
Time.

Go do it.

Yeah with gravity and a big fucking object with a huge degree of mass you retard, creating a vacuum in your bedroom would literally require you to remove all the air from earth and displace it in space, ie not possible

Heres it being failed.

youtu.be/u2DPP8bMU-c

And it's still isn't a scientific experiment lol. Also they use bowling balls lmao what a fucking joke.

youtu.be/q_ShP9mhqQw

youtu.be/udn_9KPEZK0.
Globe Zealot clinging for dear life to prove taut bowling ball attract each other!!! Wow!

Silly flat-earther, everyone knows that the earth is a vampire.

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Wrong. I just dropped it like it’s hot and I hit speeds of 69m per second per second
>get rekt globetard

Well think of it like this all vaccums on earth are man made. And yes a vaccum needs to be on a closed system. Vaccums don't just occur in nature yet globe earthers want me to believe there's one in the sky. What a joke

so how can OP say all the shit about not being able to prove gravity and air pressure without a container and he keeps talking about a vacuum but that can't be proven without a container either. doesn't make sense to my limited brain capacity.

>You're asserting that there has to be a force that causes things to fall
Then what why do things fall? I used force as a replacement for "reason as to why" in that sentence so allow me to rephrase that. If Gravity does not exist then there must be some reason why things fall, what do you propose is that reason?

>You're just protecting.
I'm really not, I said I have no personal stake in gravity being real or not. I am not a scientist nor am I even defending the theory, I've even stated I'm willing to declare my disbelief in it and come over to your way of thinking. In what way is that protecting the theory?

>Also gravity isn't a force so I don't know why you keep saying stuff about "force"
I used that word precisely once and I assumed that the following sentence would provide context clues that force was stand in for "reason". Saying a word once while expressing a desire to learn from you is hardly "keep saying stuff about" territory.

So now that I've correcting the misunderstanding about the semantics, can you explain what causes things to fall and what keeps us stuck to the ground using your own requirement for proof? I would eagerly replicate what you suggest in front of everyone I know every time someone even mentioned something to imply that gravity is a thing. In your original post you say "It seems like we have another 20 years and then we will actually use our brains and wake up"

I'm asking you to tell me how to use my brain to understand why things fall, I wish to be awake to reality of existence even if it means I've been sold lies my entire life. "Redpill me" on it, as the kids these day say

Why not then go with the holographic theories, at least there you have some scientific base....

You are not the one with limited brain capacity

so you deny the space isn't even a vacuum, interesting.

I'm not op. I just so happen to be a flat earther. I don't even think op really is one. But you actually end up proving my point. Yes vaccums can only happen in a enclosed system. But the globe model claims there's a vaccum just outside the earth's atmosphere yet there's no physical barrier to contain this gas pressure next to the vacuum. The globe model is absurd

Fuck Republicans. They'll never get it. They'll never care. Too much money in the globe delusion. We need Trump out and a leader that actually funds scientific research. The earth isn't round. Fuck bible thumpers who say otherwise.

A vacuum is just a space that is void of anything.
There would technically be a huge amount of minute vacuums in your bedroom, any empty space between the atoms in the air is technically a vacuum

NO lol I don't believe in the idea of outer space it doesn't exist. It can't exists

>Vacuums don’t occur in nature
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes they do retard, any region of space that has zero particles in it is in fact a vacuum

When will you realize no one cares about your stupid gay shit?

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"No physical barrier"?
What?!
The big bang left a medium for vacuum to exist in. You can even see Brian Greene talking about the possibility of traveling in one direction in space, ending up at the exact same spot you started from.
Occams Razor? Why not use it?

Well a vaccum is entirely devoid of matter. So a vaccum would be devoid of a medium. If you opened the door to a vaccum all the air outside of the chamber would go rushing in

but how do you know vacuums can only exist in a closed system. isn't it possible that created vacuums are too small to act as a vacuum does in nature? btw, even if the earth was flat, how does the air stay here?

so wait, are other planets not round either?

I'm a firmament believer

Nice thought experiments. Demonstrate to me gas pressure without a container

So how does flat earth have air then? Or rising and falling tides for that metter.. and what is the moon? Question for you and op.

Well, even interstellar space have particles, but it s a very small amount.
Also, quantum physics have some say here..
Nothing is black and white in science, sadly. Probably why morons like flatearthers exists.

Yes but I don’t see your point?

Gravity pulling on the atmosphere, compressing it to create pressure

They use solid masses as opposed to buckets and somehow you consider that less valid that the guy doing it in open air with buckets of irregularly distributed mass?

Jesus you are trying very hard to ignore this.

Go do the experiment. Wire torsion balance with a rod with a central center of mass. Not with a fucking 2x4 with no confirmed centre of mass and a pair of buckets.

Go. Do. It.

You can put all this to rest by not taking idiots at their word and actually paying attention to how these experiments are being done. I especially like your video attempting to debunk Cavendish's method and failing, also misrepresenting the original experiment, he draws all the lead balls attached to the torsion rod. Fucking hilarious.

Go do the experiment yourself. Eliminate every variable you can. Record it.

Technically speaking yes a vacuum is nothing, but you’re also right in that the minuscule amount of particles in a region of space is a vacuum too

Casimir effect?
Sorry, to bring out quantum physics again.

Firmament doesn’t mean flat.

>Muh non sequitut
Then why are the planets round and not the earth?
>Muh magic
Then why are the planets orbiting the sun (or the sun orbiting/floating above the earth or whatever)?
>Muh magic
Unlike the flatfuck model gravity is consistant and mathmaticaly explainable, try comming up with an actuall argument next time

so flat earthers believe just the earth is flat?

I believe in god and I believe in a globe earth, mostly because the bible doesn’t say flat and god said the way the universe works is none of our business.

Gravity is not scientifically proven to CAUSE anything by experiment. So You can't have an unproven force negating a natural law. You can't demonstrate gas pressure without a container. You can't show gravity maintaining gas pressure against a vacuum.

>I actually do want to see them dropping but this video doesn't show it completely nor in a normal way lol.
Slow motion does not invalidate the video, that is just you demanding a standard of proof that is irrelevant. It only serves to allow you to more clearly see the rate at which the objects fall. The video below shows the same experiment on a smaller scale with things falling at different rates when air resistance is a factor and at the same rate in a vacuum, top to bottom, no cut. The slow motion does NOT make this less real, it just makes it easier to see.
youtube.com/watch?v=s9Zb3xAgIoY

Tis is actually why everyone thinks the flatearthers are moronic.
They can go with the notion that all other bodies in the sky are flat (they have to, we can see it from a backyard telescope.
Even the moon is accepted as round.
But not the Earth, and this is where everything falls apart as you need religion to go that far. Only flatearthers are not willing to draw that card, so they end up with a gazallion theories to prove it, grabbing the one that is hardest to disprove as the "fact" - until another one come along, to suit their needs.
Just stop. Walk away. Do not listen. When you peel of the mask it's just Religion in disguise.

>god said the way the universe works is none of our business
what the heck, what an asshole thing to say to your children

I suppose they have to since we can observe the shape and and spin of most other planets in the solar system from earth

Nah I just don't care because it isn't a scientific experiment lol. AND this gravity model was passed by Einsteinian gravity in 1915. Mass attracting mass is thrown out now. Also this is an observation. You can't manipulate gravity. Why can't you get that through your globe head? This does not follow the scientific method

but you can't have a vacuum without a container. how does natural law take into account the size of earth and the surrounding vacuum. why doesn't the outer layer of atmosphere act as the physical barrier you keep talking about.

ITT people getting trolled

Ever heard of idiocracy? That's what happening now. In 20 years people will be so stupid that they won't be able to 2+2=4 without a fucking smartphone or whatever else tech shit. Fuck the future.

Or maybe theyre just trying to scam a free trip to space at the cost of shutting the fuck up?

I am confused, can't you just see the curvature of the earth by just looking at it from inside a plane. I always thought this flat earth stuff was just a joke. it blows my mind people actually believe this.

Globers are stupid, they really think the earth is on a spinning ball, Kek

>by just looking at it from inside a plane
Are you fucking for real? There is no curve, unless you have a fisheye eyes.

They can be tracked by radio and do not come down. The shape of the parabola results in orbit. Achieving orbit by going straight up and then accelerating sideways would be wasteful, so something called a Gravity Turn is used, letting gravity do the positioning work so that the rocket's expensive ass fuel can be saved for the primary purpose of thrust, resulting in less expensive launches to orbit. Gravity turns are also used for deep space launches as a form of catapult to reduce the necessary thrust to achieve escape velocity.

wow, one of us have vision problems. I feel I might need to go to the eye doctor.

You sure about that? They used to find exoplanets by looking for the wobble of a star from the gravity of planets orbiting it.

They won't, everyone's brainwashed to believe that crap.

>Gravity is not scientifically proven to CAUSE anything by experiment

Apparently you are ignorant of the Cavendish balance, perhaps willfully so.

It means shut your mouth and know your place, something kids nowadays should learn.

Why give it up? Instead just stop trying to make it happen so fast. If we can survive for like 1000 more years we can probably colonize mars if technology has advanced far enough. But we should focus on earth in the mean time.

Not spinning, rotating.

>It means shut your mouth and know your place, something kids nowadays should learn.

A cogent and well-reasoned response®

i would try to raise my kids to become independent adults, instead of yellow snow eating mongos.

Does it offend you? Better take it up with god then.

what's the difference?

Kek lost

>inb4 no u

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Spinning implies fast, earth rotates slowly compared to other planets/bodies in the universe.

Isn't the earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse enough to prove that earth is round?

>This does not follow the scientific method.

>Formulate a question
Do bodies with mass attract one another?
>Develop a hypothesis
The degree of attraction between masses is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to distance.
>Make a prediction
Bodies with mass can be demonstrated to attract one another by measuring the torsion coefficient of a balance with two equal masses in the vicinity of two other masses equal distances away from either end. Separate experimental methods for measuring the relative torsion force created by the attraction on a torsion balance can be set up for either mass of the attracting object or distance from attracting object.
>Test the prediction in a way that is Falsifiable and Repeatable
>repeatable
check check check and check many times in this thread, most of them successful
>falsifiable
check, its results are easily falsifiable
>Analyse the results
The results say you're a faggot who doesn't understand the scientific method.

Place a straight ruler on the window of a plane before takeoff and check that the horizon is apparently flat.

Do the same at 47,000 feet. You will see that it is not.

aren't we going with about 1.600 km/h? that's hella fast

how is it WW2 artillery units could use the mathematical equations based on the round earth and gravity to hit targets miles away, if these equations based on gravity and curvature were wrong they literally wouldnt ever hit anything.

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Some pulsars spin 3000X a second.

Okay, imagine I'm a flat-earth guy. What happens if I take a boat and go to the edge of the planet? Since gravity exists I would not fall into space, I would find myself in the back of the planet. What's there? Reptilians? giants and beings of light? I need answers based on the flat-earth theories

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How many revolutions per minute is that?

well, that's fucking scary. how did they even calculate that speed
24/3600 turns per minute

I've got an idea. Let's show the earth is NOT rotating. Let's buy a $20,000 laser ring gyro and publicly demonstrate and document it. Let's show that the earth does not rotate 15 degrees/hour like the globers claim. Oddly enough the gyro has an unexplainable "drift" of 15 degrees/hour. Must be a problem with the gyro...

Because they never did, WW2 is a hoax that was created to distract the people so they don't ask questions which could revert the brainwashing process

1 metre away from the pole it isn't going at 1,600 km/h, it's going approximately 6.3 m/day...

how dare you say my heros glorious crusade was nothing more than a hoax, neck thyself.

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A property that would occur on a globe and a flat model

yeah, yeah. angles and crap. i meant close to the equator and you fucking know it.

Circumference of earth 40k kms, a day is 24hrs, do the math.

They can hear them spin.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_3sHeUNn1k

i think i did, but i'm also drunk, so i might be wrong. also you can't neglect latitude, but that's too complicated for me right now

And it seems fast, when you think about it in terms of relative frame of reference, but since it IS your frame of reference when standing on it, it will never FEEL fast, and it isn't a fast rotation considering the size of the object doing the rotating. It's a total of 0.000694.. revolutions per minute. I can make a bicycle wheen spin faster than that when I have a flu using only my pinky finger in 18th gear.

neat, is that the reason they're called pulsars?

The Cavendish experiment

Actually no it wouldn't. The flat Earth model posits no rotation of the Earth (because otherwise it would be subject to the ridiculous 'why don't we get spun off it when it's supposedly that fast?' notion). Also if that were the case the surface speed at the outer rim would be stupendous.

Haven't you realized that hitler was just a puppet by the jews, to stage the holocaust and make the jewish position and their politics undisputed in the west.
The burning of the reichstag, dissolution of the parliament, etc. these are tactics of the jews, and hitler got used by them like a tool in their shed.

because we're unimaginative idiots

>I can make a bicycle wheen spin faster than that when I have a flu using only my pinky finger in 18th gear.
I genuinely lol'd. Best post.

what would you call them? john, bob and randy?

this retarded

damn ye really opened my eyes, damn dirty jews always manipulating us, the earth is probably a lie from them as well!

Who else has the power to propagate a lie all over the globe. Every space agency of every country, many "scientists" and institutions from multiple different countries are in on it. This is way to big to be done from a single government.

But the international jewery has enough money and power to do this.

Yes, now for the scary part, those beams of light and radiation they shoot out into space can kill all life on this planet and we wouldn’t even know what hit us

Luckily none are pointed in this direction, yet...

[spoiler] test [/spoiler]

these are good

rest are garbarge

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Look I know your just bait and all. But i have been to the edge of space. The earth is definitely round. (Air Force)
The big thing you humanity has to wake up from is that the usaf and the us navy dont just protect humanity from each other...

satan, keep us save

Anywhere I can read more about this? Pretty cool idea to explore

The funny thing about gas is that it has weight, and the funny thing about a massive object like the earth is it has gravity..
And the funny thing about this physical barrier is that it's the gas that's attracted to the earth by gravity because it has weight...
Jesus, man... Stop making shit up in your head and believing it.

you sure have a fucked up sense of humor, man. that wasn't funny at all.

Interestingly, no flathead deigned it fit to react to this.

I guess we were spared some inane "iTs All CGI HuRr dUrR" comments.

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In my fridge it's cooler than outside of my fridge, which means the entropy in my fridge is lower than outside. Thereby, according to your logic my fridge violates the second law of thermodynamics and doesn't exsist.

Because a vacuum has no gas in it. It's all gone somewhere else. In the case of your experiment with a canister, it's been pumped out. In the case of space, it's all clinging to planets.
And even in outer space, there are still gasses floating around. Mostly hydrogen and helium but there's oxygen, nitrogen, everything. And given enough time they'll all find planets too. They're all moving towards whatever body is exerting the most gravitational force on them...

the fridge is a (somewhat) closed system. you complete retard

>e violates the second law of thermodynamics. We live on this earth in a dynamic pressurized system with a gradiant. You can't have a gas pressure without a container. You also can't have a gas pressure next to a vaccum without a physical barrier.

Integrals...

No its not, i open it regulary, take things out, put new things in, while it holds the same temperature.

How can it defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

>Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor asserting that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim, and if this burden is not met, the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.

Errr ... lots of razors in physics today ...
I prefer Occam's ... it's better at shaving off unwarranted fluffing.

earth isn't real guys wake up

What the fuck have you been smoking?

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>Show me that there IS something keeping us in the earth, and that if that something wasn't there we'd fly off
Each change in momentum requires a force. When i jump i apply a force that changes my momentum such that i move upwards.
But during the jump my momentum decreases at 9.81 m/s2.

So there have to be a force that pulls everything down.

A fridge exchanges heat with the outside by piping liquids/gasses to radiate heat outside the box. It is very much an open system.

Of course they don't go straight up. When trying to go into orbit, you need to go "up" (into space) and "west" (your prefered orbiting direction)".

Just because you sucked at maths and physics, doesn't mean you're right. (It just means that the geeks won)

it also means that you're stupid (not you, the ones not comprehending that)

Well actually yes it would because that’s just how mafia works but fair enough people about the spin off thing

It's a legitimate question. You're denying one of the fundamental forces (which is accepted by the scientific community as being a real thing).

Do you deny anything else ? Is there a common ground where we can discuss things, or is it tinfoil all the way down ?

considering its not a delusion to wake up - never. When r u killing yourself, retard?

googled it - earth is spherical

ppl built the pyramids

u dont know what pressure is
why is there a pressure gradient within the atmosphere, if theres no containers between the atmosphere layers?

Can you scientifically prove gravity does not exist?

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No. Density doesn't explain why things fall. It explains how things float, buoyancy being a reaction force. Guess what it is a reaction force against?

dude, you're late. thread's almost dead

that's volume, not density. you dense motherfucker

volume isnt a force either

my dick sure is and you won't deny it when that volume enters your butt.

Due to volumes inverse relationship with pressure all he would have to do is increase his intra-anal pressure and your pee pee volume will decrease
>can’t rape a scientist

Do you remember when Yea Forums used to be able to troll anything other than itself?

Pepperidge farms remembers

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No. That's buoyancy. Volume is a part of the calculation for density. Volume has only tangential relevance to this discussion.

What force does buoyancy act in reaction to?

you know, that's just going to make me come faster.

how often do u suck yourself off?

nah i've actually been here. Just reading over all the comments I left to pile up now lol

Ok how? Architects have said with today’s technology it would be almost impossible to accomplish, how did the Egyptians do it?

I know I'll never change your mind but there is tons of proof of gravity. From mesurements on the ISS to more simple tests done here on earth. Choosing to ignore the theory gravity is choosing to ignore the mountains of evidence behind it. Here's a good fast read on it. forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/11/13/how-do-we-prove-a-well-established-theory-like-gravity/#303a61e24cd7

by stacking rocks on top of each-other

You’ve been given evidence but choose to ignore it.

Well you fucking retard it’s obviously because they didn’t have our technology

Whoa whoa slow down friendo, first tell me how they quarried rocks with copper tools and moved them to the building site.

So angry, so you don’t have an answer?

A guy making you cum is what’s fucking gay thought faggot

water, for both questions

Nope, try again.

they werent copper

nope
dont even try

so?

Sure they were, that was all the Egyptians knew, steel wasn’t bad invented till around 400bc

So you don’t have an answer, figured as much.

bronze isnt copper

did they even have bronze?

I literally answered your question you autist, it’s obviously because they didn’t have our technology

the answer is u r fucking wrong, dipshit

Can’t make bronze without copper brainlet and bronze isn’t hard enough to cut those rocks.

>copper harder rock
>chop
>chop rock

>did they even have bronze?
>im better educated than historians, archeologists, physicists, and mathematicians and thats why i can prove earth is flat and pyramids were made by aliens

Still angry, what’s bugging you user?

bronze isnt copper
thats not how they did it, u fuck

Kill yourself faggot

it was an honest question. i'm sorry for being stupid.

>copper harder than rock

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It’s because of the LNP

Bronze is an alloy that includes copper genius, stay in school.

No, copper harder rock

AND TIN
when was the last time u heard the term "copper age"?