I’ll be honest I didn’t used to really care about abortion until recently when it started hitting the news...

Yea, I do. If you take a life, the punishment should be that your life is taken.

Why do you ask?

I think we'd benefit greatly from a "mind your own damn business" law. I'm against abortion, but I'm not going to force my beliefs on other people.

We’re not talking about what happens after that. We’re talking about the morality of abortion, which is already kaput in and of itself. Focus

But i want to force my religious beliefs on everyone else, because i know better than everyone else

Is abortion taking a life?

Don’t deflect, just answer that question yes or no

That's exactly the problem. Mind your own business. If people believe it's against god, let god handle it and mind your own business.

>Republicans are against comprehensive sex-ed being taught in school
>this, naturally, increases the amount of teen pregnancies
>teen pregnancies increase the amount of annual abortions (2/3 women who get abortions get them because they cannot afford to raise a child)
>Republicans want to ban abortion, which would result in babies flooding the already bottlenecked "market" of foster kids, resulting in even more children growing up without a family
>Republicans are also against the concept of welfare, meaning mothers who are forced to give birth due to abortion laws will have to raise their child(ren) in extreme poverty without governmental assistance
>studies have proven poverty is linked to crime rates

Being conservative basically means believing in a series of contradicting policies that will make the things they dislike even worse/more popular

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In my view yes, but it's not a scientific fact. It's opinion and beliefs. Once we start legislating opinion and belief, we're heading down a bad road.

BUT I KNOW BETTER THAN EVERYONE SO I SHOULD MAKE DECISIONS BY BANNING THINGS I DONT LIKE

This. An unplanned birth often puts both parent and child in an untenable situation setting them up for failure.

i am fine with capital punishment and abortion, i just don't want to pay for it.
kill all the people you want to, just pay for it your damn self you fucking communists.

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Fuck abortion already, like we haven't had enough threads.

/thread

You mean "onus", not "onerous"...and abortion is something we all wish your mother was a proponent of right now.

So if you reach some scissors into a woman’s womb and snip up a fetus into smaller parts you’re not really taking a life because what you’re doing is subject to opinions and belief? Talk to me, I don’t understand your thought process. And please spell it out Barney-style for me with the most graphic descriptions possible because I’m a slow learner. How is snipping up a fetus and throwing it into a biohazard trash bag only part of one’s opinions and beliefs?

That's a false equivalence. That face that a clump of cells or even a 4 month old fetus is alive doesn't tell you what is living. In the case of the cells, you'd be hard pressed to say 2 or 4 or 16 cells constitute a human life. The question then is, when are fetuses deserving of full human rights. When they have a heart? When they have a functioning nervous system? (That my personal cutoff.) When they're born?

Because they are evil? Seriously, not too sure what else you can call someone who murders babies without remorse for nothing more than their own convenience.

Is abortion taking a life? Yes or no?

Makes zero sense. If you believe its against God there's more than a good chance you believe you have to witness to others. How could minding your own business not be contradicting your own religious beliefs.

Imagine actually believing any of this.

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i'm from Buenos Aires, and I say KILL EM ALL!

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Well it really goes back to what a person considers life. I can tell from your attitude you're not looking for a discussion though. I mean how far do you go, is jerking off now mean you're a serial killer because there is potential life in your load. If it can survive out side the womb, that's life. Before that it's potential life. My wife had a miscarriage so I guess based on your bullshit she's a murderer.

For me it really boils down to the purpose of government. I'm a small government pre-Trump Republican and I can't imagine a much bigger government than one that tells you what you can do with your own body.

Abortions are bad, yes.
I can understand why a woman would want to have one if she'd been raped, but pro-choice people make it out like that's the main reason legal abortions are needed and that's just not true. It's mostly being used to escape responsibility from poor decisions, which, in my opinion, is not worth ending a potential life.

It's a grey area for me because while I believe ultimately in freedom of choice, I also don't believe we should be able to kill eachother. Or snuff out potential life for the sake of convenience.

I'm not religious. I was speaking hypothetically.

small government isn't compatible with either party in the US atm.

> a fully formed baby emerges the moment sperm meets an egg
> a brainless embryo should have more rights than an adult woman
> a fetus that can't even breathe on its own or survive outside the womb is alive
Whew lad

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Cool story bro.

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Great argument.

Abortion is more responsible than bringing an unwanted life into the world

This is true, thanks to the Trump fans the Republican party is no longer.

Define what makes something alive.

Is abortion taking a (human's) life is the right question and the answer is, it depends on how far along in the pregnancy it is. Does the fetus have a functioning neural structure that can actually register pain. In that case, yes. If not, no.

A clump of cells until higher brain function

Honoring life itself is a valid position and all, but then I would expect you to be very critical of the meat industry.

Self awareness.

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I mean, this is the same reason I'm a vegan. I don't think there's a difference between a fetus or a cow -- they're both stupid but valid life. Basically, I don't believe we have magical souls or intrinsic value as humans. We're just another mammal.

If you're asking if it's murder, of course it isn't. "Taking a life" is a nebulous and sophomoric thing to say. You might argue that it's a potential life, but then you'd have to stop jerking off into your socks as well.

the weird part is the people who are pro-life are often the same people who willfully support their government practically annexing whatever war torn shit country they feel like- effectively raping and mass murdering civilians en masse, meanwhile bertha has her 4th out of wedlock child in alabama causing further drain on social systems

Well the grass in my yard is alive. And mow it I must.

This. Absolutely ridiculous beyond measure. Abortion prohibition would be devastating for both women and unborn children. We know. We've done it before.

This 100%.
mouthbreathing retard

If you cared the same once they left the womb, then maybe republitards wouldn’t appear to be such hypocritical faggots.
As it stands, all they want is to impose their pseudo-religious “fetus’ have a soul” kind of magical thinking on our laws.

They should be resisted, forceably, at every turn if we are to remain a freedom loving nation

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The jewish shill tying to divide whites by accusing posts to be of Russian shills is correct except for the Russian part.

ow so?
When you have an abortion you are not accepting responsibility, you are negating it entirely. You're basically just passing your burden onto the fetus when you outright delete it.

>anti-abortion copypasta

lol

My mom had 2 miscarriages and I don’t consider her a murderer because it wasn’t her fault. Also if someone slides on ice in their car some winter night, hits a tree and dies in a car crash it’s tragic and sad, but nobody in particular is at fault because shit happens.

Going back to your definition of life, since pro-choice people automatically know what life is and what life is not, I was wondering if you could elaborate to me about when a fetus is alive and when it is not alive?

>keep in mind that a baby was sent to her home just today after being born in december 2018 at 8.6 oz (the weight of an apple) and only in the womb for 3 months. Now she is perfectly healthy and doing just fine. Just keep that in mind when you respond to me please

So that's a "yes."

Spoken like a true Patriot, brother.

God Bless the USA

Morality comes from each and every individual, which means morality does not make things right or wrong. Right is what is most beneficial to the population of the earth/universe, and wrong is the opposite

Babies don't form memories.. I think we should be able to kill anything under ~3 years old.

Whoa. Awesome.

is passing the burden by deletion much worse than bringing an unwanted child into the world? oft the child will be impoverished, living paycheck to paycheck with a single mother who resents the childs being

no kid deserves that kind of wanton burden

So that's a "I don't know what you mean when you say strawman, and I'm too lazy to look it up, so I am going to act like my response is valid".

Your mom sounds like a cunt.

So killing children is a morally correct “choice” for a woman to make? You’re putting this in terms of human perspective but when life begins, choice ends. Why do you think women have a “choice” over who lives and who dies?

Here's the thing. It's really none of your fucking business.

You could have just said "yes" or "no." You sound like you're being coached by a lawyer to deflect.

So your mom's womb committed involuntary man slaughter?

Don't look now but you're proving my point that it's opinion and belief, not fact. If you want to be technical something that survives on it's host is a parasite technically.

You keep coming at me with canned arguments. I've told you I'm personally against it. I just do not support legislating opinions and beliefs.

For fuck's sake, just use google before spouting your bullshit.

"In 2014, Lyla Stensrud, born in San Antonio, Texas, U.S. became the youngest premature baby in the world. She was born at 21 weeks 4 days and weighed 410 grams (less than a pound). Kaashif Ahmad resuscitated the baby after she was born."

That would make the youngest surviving premie over 5 months old, you lying sack of shit.

It's not your business. Mind your own.

Not for nothin, but this is some good discord amongst Yea Forumstards. Name calling aside, I'm kind of proud of y'all.

> thinking killing is somehow equal to not wanting to fund government programs to “help” people.

Actually it is, and that’s why we’re all sticking our pro-life penises into your kool-aid and conservative states are starting a revolution to ban abortions in 2019. It’s absolutely our fucking business

>keep in mind that a baby was sent to her home just today after being born in december 2018 at 8.6 oz (the weight of an apple) and only in the womb for 3 months. Now she is perfectly healthy and doing just fine. Just keep that in mind when you respond to me please

This asshole also thinks apples weight half a pound, so that should tell you something as well.

Why do you think what other people do with their bodies is your business. Seriously no canned argument. Who the fuck do you think you are.

No it really isn't. You are not a woman. You are not pregnant, Abortion frankly doesn't affect you, period. Mind your own fucking business.

>canned arguments
If it weren’t for the liberal propaganda machine you wouldn’t even know what the fuck to think about abortion, fuck nuts. When they say “jump” you say “how high?”

Keep all your abortions, I don't care, I think everyone should be able to make their own choices as long as it doesn't impede on anyone else's ability to do the same.
That being said, to say that there is no life within a fetus is to be downright in denial. I remember as a child a friend of mine would find birds nests and smash mothers' eggs on the ground. Any normal person would be offput by the sight of that(since it violates the sanctity of life) but there's essentially no difference between that and an abortion, except in the case of an abortion the mother wants her eggs smashed.

I'm not even a liberal toolbox. Bring me more canned bullshit.

Right, no difference at all.
I wish you were aborted, so I wouldn't have had to read this drivel.

Actually abortion has affected me because I had a psycho ex-girlfriend who aborted my kid.

Yes I'm sure every kid to come out of foster care lives paycheck to paycheck in poverty. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck but I don't think they go to bed every night wishing they were aborted.

Then maybe you should have had your own kid.

I'm saying that it is up to her to decide whether or not it's morally correct, there are very many reasons why an abortion can be morally correct.

ok so do you give a fuck about preserving bacterias lives? i guess maybe you do thats why you dont brush your teeth or bathe

Great argument there, chief.

Someone calling for an end to the silent holocaust. That’s who the fuck I am

So women get to decide if taking a human life is morally correct?

Really?

Mind your own business, try that for a little while.

Men are actually responsible for 100% of all abortions.

When that life resides parasitically within their body, absolutely.

Remember kids, it's never too late for a post birth abortion!

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No.

I won’t. Fuck your opinion, legal abortion is coming to an end because of people like me. We will not be silent

Maybe get a grip on your own life first. Then work on being selfless in regards to others (specifically, people in the world that currently exist). If you can accomplish those two things, then go for it.

>pulling the plug on a braindead OD patient is murder

You reside parasitically in society, should you be legally aborted too?

People like you, thankfully, are the reason there will always be legal abortion.

>waaah tapeworms deserve rights

Bet you change your mind when someone you know gets gang raped by niggers and has to carry the little niglet.

Ok. Well Louisiana passed an abortion ban just tonight. That’s the latest state in the last few months to make it law.

So again, fuck you.

Abortion is a touchy subject. Several different sides and POVs. The reason no real consensus will be reached is, there isn't just 1 reason for it or against it. A lot of preconceived notions and beliefs come together to form a stance.

That being said, we should forgo personal anecdotes and morality as a benchmark. Those two things are flimsy arguments that rely to heavily on fallacies. The actual arguments at hand, in the context of what's been happening in the US recently, is if abortions should be outlawed.

Wow...your ability to ignore an opposing point and react with an overtly ad hominem and emotional response is staggering. Your arguments were already flawed, but now we can all see that your character is similarly deficient. Your grasp of the concepts on which this debate truly rest, such as bodily autonomy, appears juvenile at best.

Yes, Louisiana, the bellwether for the political tide of the country.
You might want to pay more attention to the Supreme Court, and what they think of Louisiana's abortion restricitons.

I like abortion, otherwise i would have to pay for a child i didnt want to have.

I'm against abortion, so I am not going to have one.

I mean you’re talking about parasites so I thought taking it to the next level would be okay, did I hurt your feelings? I’m so sorry :( I didn’t mean to, I just wanted to know (since you reside parasitically in society) whether or not you should exist. You’re using this same argument against unborn babies so I thought it would be okay to ask you the same about yourself

>You have to agree with me 100% or you're a bigot.
Never proposed any legislation that would make abortions illegal nor do I agree with it
Fuck outta here with your triggered ass

Ok.

Be careful what you wish for

no one cares about fucking fetuses
so they die
who gives a flying fuck
let it go man find a better cause

life is not sacred. this is a religious myth. we kill shit all the time.
human rights are sacred, but fetuses dont have (nor should they have) human rights because THEY ARE NOT HUMAN (yet)

Look, it's not a matter of right and wrong, it's unequivocally wrong. It's a matter of necessity. I wish it weren't, but it is. People are irresponsible idiots, and the sheer volume of extra humans that would be unceremoniously shit into this world without it would cripple the developed world.

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Kek, you're not wrong.

You mean the onus, not the onerus.

Also your entire argument is bullshit that science has disproven for decades.

Go actually read the science behind why fetuses don't matter and are fine to be aborted. Don't read just one side of things.. you don't seem dumb so ignorance is something you can fix.

Careful their stalin

Why not just shame women who have sex out of marriage? There were less abortions when it was social suicide to have premarital sex. All women care about is their social group anyways. One could argue that Democrats pushing freedom from just law after just law, to women and minorities, as they continue to boil the frog in the pursuit of more low info grievance voting blocks has led to higher out of wedlock births and with that higher crime rates. We all know the next move for Democrat cities is to begin to decriminalize anything they can in order to create fake lower crime statistics so they can show the normal public and the rich. Particularly after they have shrunk the middle class, with taxes and regulations, which is usually the most tied to reality and moral due to having enough responsibility to guard their finances to such a degree and not gotten so rich yet to let their vices run wild.
In conclusion,
>Parents should stop giving their responsibilities to school and talk to their kids about sex ed.
>Women should abstain from sex until marriage.
>Abortion is so barbaric, and consideration makes us a more underdeveloped nation because it is in fact the mass slaughter of children.
>36 parents are waiting to adopt 1 baby my dude, what we need is to make it easier to adopt and then kids wouldn't have to grow up in foster care waiting for a parent to make 1 more dollar over $60k of something to be eligible to adopt.
>Welfare is an unsustainable Democrat band-aid on their shit cities and policies which have led to things like out of wedlock births.
Being Democratic means giving everyone everything but not being able to and causing more problems, then taxing everything to fund "the solution" to it's after effects.

onerous*

Who are you to decide what has and dsnt have human rights......same argument they made for niggers

What if your mom aborted you? Do you matter?

such a strawman argument I am not even gonna qualify it
basically just take the baby out and if it dies because it can't survive by itself, tough luck
no one killed anyone, it just died you twat

I know, we all know we just silently play along

Planned parenthood kills more niggers than anything else in the world so it’s really not all that bad

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Actually the idea that abortion can't affect others is fucking retarded.
Stop being selfish. Be more empathetic.

I support freedom of choice 100% (including in abortion). But I'm not stupid or self-centered enough to think that aborting a child would only affect me and no one else negatively.

careful there jesus

Libshits are useful idiots towards the endgame of privatization of human reproduction and the commodification of the human genome, user.

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Keep in mind science always wins over religion given enough time.
Just look at history books. The role of religion has diminished.. the scope of what is "controlled by god" has diminished. Both greatly so.

Don't imagine for one second this will be the exception.

Religion isn't bad. But it also has no business in law and government in a modern world.

Being conservative literally means being a brainless fucking retard and a hypocrite in every single political issue.

Nope. It would have been her choice and if it was for the better than I would know no better either.

She chose otherwise.

He has. It has made a lot of the right lose their shit.

Millions of Libtards around the world just heard a massive whooshing noise.

>silent holocaust of today
Good. Too many people. Like OP, for instance.

Do you happen to come with a Retardese to English translation function?

Hurrhurr libtard hurrhurr look mom I made a contribution to something.

Do u have a point?
What are you doing?

>Now all that’s left is the question “why do the liberals want to kill their own babies”?
better question is, do you consider every woman who miscarries guilty of involuntary manslaughter?

Oh

That’s crazy because they’re still learning new things about human fetuses in the womb every year, only a few years ago did they discover the “flash of life” when an egg is fertilized by sperm (a luminescent flash that occurs at conception). You talk about science being a reason to believe that abortion is a moral choice but I fear that you’re digging your own hole even deeper

Retarded, far-right, white supremacist talking points.

Meanwhile all you've contributed is your tears

Your girlfriend gets raped by Jamal and his gang buddies one night. Maybe its actually her dad. Ends up she's pregnant.
Are you gonna stick around for that nigger or incest kid (out of love, shame and/or beliefs), or nope the fuck outta there and stick to your twisted ideals?

>> a fully formed baby emerges the moment sperm meets an egg
Has it's own DNA my dude
>> a brainless embryo should have more rights than an adult woman
No, it should have the same rights as child because it is
>> a fetus that can't even breathe on its own or survive outside the womb is alive
Then we should kill the comatose and any homeless asking for money because they can't hack it on their own.
>Whew lad
Zozzled

Keep thinking whatever it is you need to keep the Sparks going in that deformed noggin of yours.

Obviously.

So you would deny that life to your son too, no doubt. Liberalism is a sad and destructive cult, the living have to be sacrificed on the altar of feminism for the bank accounts of the elite

You want science? Cold hard facts and ZERO empathy? fine. Here goes:

All Life has eight simultaneous requirements.
Human zygotes and embryos are never alive.
Human fetuses become living but non cognitive, incapable of thought, memory or awareness at right around the seventh month when it takes over homeostasis, which is the eighth and final requirement. Despite that, the fetus does not become cognitive or aware until a week to two AFTER BIRTH. The human brain has a shitload of surface area and it takes a while to fully form.

That's it. 7 months to being alive, 9 months plus a weekish to anything resembling a "person" according to the vast majority of society. The woman, on the other hand, has contributed to the economy, been trained/educated, worked, developed relationships, enjoyed happiness, made tens of thousands of memories. Time and resources have been spent on her. She's worth FAR more to us than the baby is even after it's born. Furthermore, the imabecilic rightwing anti-woman activists absolutely fail to grasp a very simple counterpoint: SHE CAN FUCKING MAKE ANOTHER ONE even if she aborts this one. It only takes nine fucking months to do. Republicans and Evangelical Talibanis want to punish or even kill her for ONE goddamn abortion or "suspicious" miscarriage and you're just going to deny her the potential to go make another one, two, three even? Seriously, on behalf of the entire intellectual community: anti-choice people: HIT YOURSELVES.

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Thank you for bringing that very compelling argument to this discussion, user. Now please go back to sleep.

Thing is no one can tell you what to do with your body. It's called... get this... bodily autonomy. If someone is dying and needs blood you aren't required to give them any if you're a matching donor. Same concept with a fetus. If it needs to physically use your body to stay alive you have a right to refuse.

So is abortion taking a life?

Answer the simple question you fuck faced faggot

Why do love murdering unborn children so much?

I'd love to but I'm having so much fun collecting all these "You"s.

>Has it's own DNA my dude
DNA shared and created by two other, conscious humans
>No, it should have the same rights as child because it is
So... what rights do kids really have? Do they vote, work, pay taxes?
>Then we should kill the comatose and any homeless asking for money because they can't hack it on their own.
Some comatose have a will beforehand, saying kill or keep me alive. Otherwise, its up to their family. As for homeless people, that's their own choice.
>Zozzled
Remind me again, why did I reply to this brainlet?

Same

You're uneducated and an idiot. Glad I'm not living in the shit hole, thirdworld USA.

Everything has DNA. There is nothing special about having DNA. the vast majority of DNA is nothing but a series of blueprints for producing enzymes and building cell tissue. Bananas share 60% of their DNA with humans.

It has zero rights because at the time in question it is fully dependent on parasitizing the woman. Fully enclosed in her body as a simple, nonliving growth.

>We should kill the comatose
Take your fake slippery slope and shove it up your ass. Any human who has lived, learned, shared emotions with and invested in society and vice versa has value.

No.

I don’t care about women’s rights, fetus is a delicacy for me and banning abortion would prevent me from getting my favorite food. I’m pro abortion, but not pro choice

>Self awareness.
Can I kill you in your sleep and not get charged then?
>Well the grass in my yard is alive. And mow it I must.
Will it be okay to mow down people soon because they can't take care of themselves? Just think, in New York, it's lawfully okay to kill a baby 1 second from birth. In North Carolina, then governor said that it's okay to have post birth abortions as long as the baby was kept comfortable. How long until "the wrong people" are the same as grass as long as "the right people" treat them in civil manner before they beat them to death?

Ok.

Thanks for being honest at least

No. It's barely anything more than a complex mole removal.

Why do you retards always use words erroneously for shock reaction instead of confront the reality of the situation?

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Same. Waiting for the day a placenta restaurant is opened.

I don't know about the legality of post birth abortion but a few people in this thread could certainly use one. It's never too late, after all.

Why don’t we just open one ourselves. Think about, masses of feminists would come in droves in support of our supposed “pro choice” agenda. We will happily take their aborted donations. They won’t know it, but we’re using their narrative to just get some tasty food.

i see this argument presented often. its insane. capitol punishment is for people who have lived to adulthood, and have committed such crimes as to be worthy of punishment of death. They were adults and that is their choice.

abortion is punishing an innocent to death because of the choice of another. ie, someone commits murder, so you kill someone else....

makes no sense.

Nigga wat?

>in New York, it's lawfully okay to kill a baby 1 second from birth
This is an idiotic non-sequitur argument. "late term abortion" barely ever happens and when it does it's a medical emergency. The letter of the law has no bearing on what actually happens.

>InNorth Carolina, then governor said that it's okay to have post birth abortions as long as the baby was kept comfortable
Governors are frequently retards, especially Republican ones. They are not qualified to have a say in the subject because they don't know anything about it. Legislating shit doesn't make that the way things are done. Take for example that pants-on-head retarded GOP fucktard who thinks ectopic pregnancy can be "planted" in the uterus.

>treat them in a civil manner
They are non-cognitive. They can't think, remember or be aware in any way.

As if the West was ever united, kek

The only way abortion should be allowed is if the woman is forced to carry the baby to term then break its neck once its born with her own hands, or the man if he wants the abortion. If they refuse to comply they are executed and the baby will inherit whatever assets they have once it comes of age.
We need to give up the delusion that people know what's best for them and do what's best for society as a whole. Niggers will be exempt from this for obvious reasons and encouraged to have as many abortions as they like.
>inb4 edgy

Places like Alabama are already a lost cause. May as well be living in Afghanistan as there. Fuck em.

It's Interesting that when a pro-lifer agrees there should be no legislation against abortions it doesn't stop the left from their collective "rees" as they still can't stand someone else thinking what they are doing is morally reprehensible, even if it just might be.

>Heh ebin troll btfo da libcucks by supporting gun control so they HAVE to oppose it!
But trump litterally floated the idea of tighter control after one of the mass shootings and libs we're totally on board, you mouth breathing retard. You're just so feels-driven and caught up on your meme bs that you've lost all track of reality.

the problem with the left is... well.. theyre stupid.. and you cant understand stupid.. not even stupid understands stupid. and youre never going to get anywhere with trying to rationalize stupidity.. its just not possible.

You look retarded and desperate when you try to claim things like that. EVERYONE knows that the side with all the brains is the "left". You calling anyone else stupid is fucking hilarious.

>some girls have a penis
>intelligent

Funny how America calls itself the Land of the Free yet has a higher percentage of its citizens in prison than any other western country and in the is trying to ban abortion like it’s the fucking16th century.

You've crossed the line from edgy to fucking autistic, you pathetic sheep

Very true. Everyone who goes to my uni is also left like me. Which means we are very smart. We are diverse and very unique.

because leftist are lowkey still as racist as they ever were, just hide it behind a veneer of PC culture.

They are not stupid they are just idealists who don’t think about the consequences of their liberalism.

>breitbart.com/health/2018/12/31/abortion-leading-cause-of-death-in-2018-with-41-million-killed/

-Abortion is the leading cause of death on planet earth
-over 41 million people were killed from abortion in 2018
- women are the global statistical leaders in all categories of murder and death
-more humans were killed through abortion in 2018 alone, than all Wars combined since WWII
The state of Florida records a reason for every abortion that occurs within its borders each year. In 2015, there were 71,740 abortions in Florida. This table lists each reason and the percentage of abortions that occurred because of it.
Percentage Reason
.001% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship
.065% The woman's life was endangered by the pregnancy
.085% The woman was raped
.288% The woman's physical health was threatened by the pregnancy
.294% The woman's psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy
.666% There was a serious fetal abnormality
6.268% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons
92.330% No reason (elective)

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By that logic we should have let Hitler kill all the jews (ok with that btw) because it ain't none of my business?

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I’d say on the whole the most stupid people I’ve met in life have usually been conservative. Mainly because their only talking points are straight off TV. Most of them had never read a book since leaving school.

Now if I posted a link from some whacked ass feminist website and claimed it as my source, would you believe it?

>literally the only person with an original opinion on the matter
>sheep
They know not what they do, user. They must be shown.

I think anyone who leans too far in one direction is stupid. Caring about something to the degree that you want to enforce it on others is pretty much the epitome of small mindedness.

What kind of moralfag shit is this?
Living or not, who gives a fuck. I would rather that thing get "killed" than be forced into a life of foster or shit parents. Death sometimes is the best option in many situations, just a bunch of pussies who think life has value.

He was killing conscious people- actual ones who were birthed.
Your incessant strawmans are hilarious. You may be the worst psuedo-political troll I've ever encountered.

>DNA shared and created by two other, conscious humans
Yes, to create DNA separate from theirs
>So... what rights do kids really have? Do they vote, work, pay taxes?
Can you kill a child if you want without consequence?
>Some comatose have a will beforehand, saying kill or keep me alive. Otherwise, its up to their family. As for homeless people, that's their own choice.
Now that's an unavoidable choice, an abortion is avoidable. I was asking if you, a separate person, can walk up and stab to death the comatose without consequences.
>Remind me again, why did I reply to this brainlet?
You want to prove your ethics and logic are sound to me, but fail miserably.

>Everything has DNA. There is nothing special about having DNA. Bananas share 60% of their DNA with humans.
Yes, but not everything with DNA will be a human child in 9 months
>It has zero rights because at the time in question it is fully dependent on parasitizing the woman. Fully enclosed in her body as a simple, nonliving growth.
It was her choice to have sex, she created the baby. Also, by that logic you can say post birth children are paraciting a women all that's left is for the state to declare them not human. And in the case of rape, they should kill the rapist not the baby that hasn't commit any crime.
>Take your fake slippery slope and shove it up your ass.
Not an argument
>Any human who has lived, learned, shared emotions with and invested in society and vice versa has value.
Zygotes are alive

Because the man in the clouds wrote a book two thousand years ago that said so user.

If I had a dick in my mouth for every liberal who blurted "talking points! goteem!" on this thread I'd be the person who posted this.

also, liberals want men and women to be the same. biologically, there is not burden placed on a man, so it must be placed on men externally thru society etc. since this burden was abandoned by society in the 60s-70s, so liberals want the same for women.

the only way to achieve this is abortion, if all other methods of contraception fail.

tl;dr boomers ruined society in the 70s and the only way to make up for ruining men, is ruining women also.

fetus literally means small person. Do people forget what words mean?

Zygotes are not alive.

Well, how else do you discuss a subject? Once you’ve taken the dicks out of your mouth that is.

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>science has disproven for decades.
>Go actually read the science behind why fetuses don't matter and are fine to be aborted.
I would love to know what "science" you think proves that fetuses aren't people.

Science doesn't have anything to say about morality. It can tell us when a fetus develops a heartbeat, a nervous system, a brain, or any other /fact/. But it can't define for us what constitutes a person.

Pro-choice advocates have been telling people the science is on their side for decades, and I guarantee that not one person in a hundred has actually asked them 'well, let me see your sources'. The only reason they've got away with it is because the religious fundies who make up the biggest block of anti-abortion advocates don't have the scientific literacy to challenge them.

Of all the people in this thread, you are the worst

>I'm against child rape personally, but if someone else wants to rape a ten year old I'm not going to force my beliefs on them.

At least have the decency to pick a side.

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And the zeitgeist isn't watching. Ok user.

Okay OP let's say you have a wife and she gets raped and impregnated. What do you do OP? Would you help raise a rape baby that's not even yours? Could you do it knowing that this child will likely have physical features that constantly remind you and your wife of the man that raped her? Could you love that child the same as your own while constantly being reminded of its rapist father?

user you cant be this retarded its not possible

What do you mean how else do you discuss a subject? You definitely don't start by going "hurr talking points russian bots"
Even if it is a shit "talking point" what do you gain by calling someone out on it?

who.int/reproductivehealth/news/440KeyAbortionFactsFinal.pdf

here's world health organization, and they say 56 million abortion deaths a year annually.

so all the deaths from WWII are occurring annually, via abortion.

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That's 56,000,000 Jamals we definitely don't fucking need.

This. Thanks user

"Why do liberals want to kill their own babies?"
Because they don't give a single shit about anyone who isn't themself. Not even life that's gestating within them. They can't process putting someone, even their own child, before themselves.

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter if it's taking a life or not. What matters is fuck them kids.

We're full. No vacancy. Neuter your children.

I didn’t say anything about Russian bots. All I said was that most of the stupid people I meet already have all their opinions fully formed, usually from a very limited exposure to information.

"Stating that abortion is the “leading cause of death” worldwide (as opposed to a medical procedure) is a problematic pronouncement, because that stance takes a political position, one which is at odds with the scientific/medical world. The medical community does not confer personhood upon fetuses that are not viable outside the womb, so counting abortion as a “cause of death” does not align with the practices of health organizations such as WHO and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as Heather Boonstra, director of public policy for the reproductive health research organization Guttmacher Institute, told us"
- snopes.com

Funny how the majority of people with this view are people who physically can't get pregnant.

Abortion is one of the few things that makes me sad.
Unless of course we’re talking niggers, then its a good thing.

I also notice that stupid people tend to get angry and flustered quite quickly.

I don’t call them out. I just disregard their opinion as irrelevant.

That's a statement I can certainly agree with.

That's right user.

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These are unwanted children. They need to die so that they don't suffer in life.

It's alive

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I wish that was the whole story, unfortunately there are A LOT of white women having abortions. I mean just look at the TV everytime abortion is so much as mentioned.

snopes.com/news/2019/01/03/abortion-leading-cause-of-death/

>However, the most recent figure on abortions from WHO we could locate dated from 2014 and was slightly higher than Worldometers’ tally. WHO estimated that between 2010 and 2014, an average of 56 million induced abortions occurred worldwide each year.

>If WHO’s estimate of 56 million abortions annually held steady through 2016, when they released their survey on the top ten leading causes of death globally, it would be true that the number of abortions worldwide outnumbered overall deaths from heart disease and stroke, the top two causes of death that year. In 2016, ischemic heart disease and stroke killed a total of 15.2 million people worldwide, according to WHO, noting that “These diseases have remained the leading causes of death globally in the last 15 years”:

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*citation needed.

Seriously, do you have even a single survey that the majority of anti-abortion advocates are men?

Yes people seem to miss this. I assume the folks trying to ban abortion are not interested in adopting unwanted children.

>abortion makes me sad
>lol fuck niggers tho

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Turns out I've been replying to the wrong person this entire time. I'll just show myself out now.

At the point it is legal to abort, the fetus is not sentient. Full brain functionality doesn’t begin until well into the final trimester.

In short, get out of here with your silly appeal to emotion. Fetuses are not people.

>onerous

>Yes, to create DNA separate from theirs
That isn't always the goal, and sometimes you do everything you can do stop that from happening. You must still be a virgin.
>Can you kill a child if you want without consequence?
You cant kill anybody or anything without some sort of consequence. But that little sperm and egg hasn't yet become a person. Its still a thoughtless, feelingless thing.
>Now that's an unavoidable choice, an abortion is avoidable. I was asking if you, a separate person, can walk up and stab to death the comatose without consequences
Kek, now you're backtracking, user. You're looking like a fool. You said no such thing. You said if we should, as a people, end vegetables and bums because they can't take care of themselves. You're logic is flawed. Take some time to fix the flaws in your harebrained ideas.
>You want to prove your ethics and logic are sound to me, but fail miserably.
Clearly I can't. You're stuck in your ways, unable to see anything passed your own narrow view. Its quite sad, actually.

Well I guess that’s the beauty of anonymity.

And the tragedy

And the world population is still increasing... maybe we should just start making abortions mandatory so we can get our fucking population in check

If a clump of cells under 6 weeks is a person, then so is your cum. From now on if you ever wank you will be executed immediately for the mass murder of millions of babies.

so destroying a cluster of cells is the holocaust, but making the kid live in misery and poverty because their parents are shitty people is just fine.

sure kid. did you finish your homework? no video games until you finish your homework.

>no lungs to scream
>obviously alive
Choose, please.

100% correct

Facts don't matter in the face of op's feels!
Lying is totally moral if it's in service to pushing his personal feels-based morality!

>the onerous of proving

My sides. Imagine being this pseudointellectual.

It's her body, she has the right to abort it. Pregnancy is hell.

This. I'm glad I convinced my girlfriend to get an abortion.

comparing humans to other animals doesn't work out well.

its illegal to harm a bald eagle's eggs, but not a humans? why?

bald eagles are an endangered species, fucknuts

No, it's republicans who don't care about anybody but themselves. Because, while they pretend to care about the unborn, the moment it is born, it's just a welfare leach.

Preservation of the species, humans aren't exactly on the endangered list.

But I can't so I'm OWED a slave womb!

Nah silly user, once they're born we don't care anymore.

How is it not scientific? It was alive. Now it’s not. Not sure what the grey area is.

>Why not just shame women who have sex out of marriage?
Well you can but people already do that and at the same time guys, even user's from here, try to shame women INTO sex.

>Meanwhile conservacucks are the ones giving Monsanto rulership over the genome and letting companies poison their air and water

This thing that has its own unique DNA structure and all blood tests would say it is human. Is not human.. ok?

In all fucking seriousness Monsanto is what we should be worried about and not abortions.

>Sh-SHUT UP! You have to answer only yes or no with no further nuance to the question of of abortion is murder but you're not allowed to ask me inconvenient questions!

>Has it's own DNA my dude
So does your sperm and the rest of the multiple fetus-worth of cells you shed everyday, my retarded mass-murdering friendo.

Award to user for not being a politifag

So is a tumor, but we remove it anyway.

Sperm have 23 chromosomes. Humans have 46. So sperm is not human.

We use the words “kill cancer cells”. So how is saying you’re killing a human when you get an abortion misleading?

A tumor is not a separate human being with its own unique working DNA and fingerprint.

You misunderstand. A tumor is a genetic anomaly. This is human life. As soon as the cells start dividing, they have purpose and that purpose is to create something like you. Do you not value life? Or are you an edgelord.

This argument has never made sense. Sperm is merely a component to life, not life itself. Same goes for an egg.

However when those components merge, that is when life begins.

Your sperm are also alive... The fact that a fertilized egg, or even a developing embryo, may one day become a human baby does not make it at the moment of an abortion human with all of the rights we currently have (so it is not murder). At the moment these abortions are taking place the developing embryo does not have any concept of self that comes from the higher cognitive centers in the brain. For instance, if a child was born without a functioning cortex, but its lower brainstem regions functioned well enough to maintain breathing but not to feed itself or live apart from its mother/caretaker, we wouldn't say the parents were murdering the child if they took them off life support (so how is it different to abort an embryo without a functioning cortex?). You'd probably argue that its still wrong because the embryo is destined to develop into a human, but you have no guarantee of that anymore than that every sperm your body generates is destined to fertilize an egg and make a baby (thus by your logic every time you beat off into a paper towel you may also be committing murder)

What about abortion at 8 months?

I don't have exact statistics, but the majority of abortions fall under one of these categories:
The pregnancy is a result of rape.
The woman isn't capable of safely giving birth for medical reasons (my girlfriend actually falls under this category)
The parent(s) are too poor to give the good a good life or simply have no interest in raising a child.
Personally, I consider it cruel to have a child knowing that you'd neglect their emotional well-being, because that's how I was raised.
The "just put it up for adoption" argument is not a strong one because the American Foster system is notoriously awful and often results in abuse.

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Stopped reading at the made up “majority of abortions”. Get the stats so you don’t look like a fool.

Being conservative is also buying into the idea that niggers are replacing whites and we cant let them goddamn negros out grow us.

Lol, this always happens. The left is so bad at forming arguements without 'reeeeeeeeeee'

Bro I'mma say something anecdotal about your gay ass claims.
The whole not a good life = should be killed is fuckin retarded. Just because my life sucks doesn't mean I'm not happy I got to live it. Life is hard at times, shit nigga don't kill me in the womb just because my dad left my mom and my momma can't pay rent we'll be fine in the end fuck outta here

Born alive laws say otherwise its not a person until it draws breath outside the womb. Only in certain cases can it be considered murder

Its simple user, its someones body thats whats been ruled

>New York, it's lawfully okay to kill a baby 1 second from birth
>In North Carolina, then governor said that it's okay to have post birth
[[[Citation Needed]]]
Given how you already lied about the earlier baby born I'll wait fo you to back up your feels with facts before making a judgement.

So, naturally the solution is to abort a potential person, instead of not engaging in the behaviors that make people. THAT makes sense.

Let's have the government tax our citizens, and use some of that tax money to abort future citizens. and anything that's leftover we can use to subsidize the illegals that we need because our birth rate is so low.

Thats past the point of viability, so you have a better argument, and the cortex would be definitely more developed, and thus the fetus more self aware. I'm not at all opposed to regulating later term abortions (so long as there is a clause for nonviability of the fetus, in case something was missed on an earlier ultrasound- making women give birth to a nonviable fetus is cruel and I know a NICU nurse who has seen scenarios like these where earlier ultrasounds missed such cases)

>If I don't want to ban abortion then that makes all the people litterally calling for it to be banned to stop existing so if you complain about them you're justing reeeing at nothing!
Brainlet/10

Just because something is alive doesn't mean killing it is a big deal. Grass is alive. Germs are alive.

Fine, that's fair. I don't feel like putting actual effort into this, so we'll just discount that point based on that lack of a source.
There is the still the fact that the unborn child, a separate and generically unique individual from the mother, is still dependant on the mother for it's shelter and sustenance in the same way that a parasite is. If the parasite in question didn't happen to be human, I don't that we'd be having any disagreement at all. The central fact of the matter is that the fetus could never survive outside of the mother, which makes it a part of her own body. When you start to tell people what they and cannot do to their own bodies, you begin to ignore their rights in the perceived interest of a creature that doesn't even exist as an individual yet.

Abortion in the US has actually gone down since the 80's.

I dont give a shit about the rest of the world. Fuck'em.

guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-worldwide

Stop quoting news from breitbart too, you fuckin retards.

then a pregnant woman should be able to smoke and drink because it's "her body"

That is what happens in in vitro fertilization (sperm and egg come together in a dish), and the recent laws do not regulate IVF where these fertilized embryos are often discraded or frozen for later use

this is literally the most cucked thing ive read today, and this is fucking Yea Forums. getcho glass half full head ass the fuck out of here.

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deliberately giving birth to some welfare dependent mong because you can't stop drinking during a pregnancy you intend to carry to term is more fucked up than scraping a zygote, yes.

It says a lot about this topic that someone who confuses those two words can inspire so many replies.

Are you willing to have the government follow pregnant women around to make sure they don't smoke and drink? How far do you want to take that?

Oh but it COULD become a human why don't you caaaaare about the poor babies!!!

[Citation Needed]
You personally deciding that as the moment of life according to your feels doe snit make it so.

And a fetus is not a person whats your point?

Not him but it does depend on which doctors you talk to the religious ones say it begins at conception a more liberal doctor doesnt agree till like week 14 or some shit

REEEEEEEEE muh MURDER! Everything is getting worse as far libs kill America and your fake fact lie sent convince me otherwise! Clown world!!!

B8

>sage

Yes it is, use your brain user.

Not true at all... sperm is a living cell, how many chromosomes it has doesn't matter. And the fact that it has the potential for human life is the same as arguing that a fertilized egg has the potential for life (all we have is the present- you don't know what something is "destined" for)

No its not laws say otherwise

Well yeah, the line of life is quite murky and a topic of debate.
You're wasting your breathe trying to explore the nuance though. This is about pushing a narrative and agenda, not having a real discussion.

>I give you a car for free
>It needs a lot of maintenance work
>You can't afford to repair it
>You can barely afford to register it and fill the tank every week
Why would you say no to a free car?

No birth certificate, no death certificate, no SSN, no murder

Stop getting so mad about something that's not a person, mind your own business/body and stay in your lane

Hahahahahaha jesus user.

Yeah i know its a chinese fishing forum but stupid people piss me off with that statement. Its a stupid topic unless theyre gonna take it to the courts to change anything. Laws say a fetus isnt a person born alive laws are set in place of the common law saying you cant murder a fetus

we are a fucking plague dude, the less people on the planet the better.

Russian bot

This

No response to ?

It’s so obvious too.

so turn to sodomy.

its 1000x easier to not impregnate someone than to knock someone up. you rolled the dice, you pay the price

I feel like all of this is driven by religious fundamentalists, but those same fundamentalists (at least the ones I know that espouse this view) would believe in the age of accountability (and that if an infant dies that they go to heaven). So why are they trying to ban abortions if they think all those fetuses just go to heaven? If they grow up in shitty homes they might go to hell

Let’s get a base line that everyone can agree on. Killing a new born baby is murder. Step back. How far back in that baby’s development would it be murder? 8,7,6 months. What is the cut off.

Viability

What is that number? Viability as in if it was placed in a room on its own it could live? Or with the help of minder medicine?

When you change the definition of murder. Murder implies its a person a fetus isnt a person

Can it live on its own without medical intervention?

Modern*

It's obviously more easy but there are cases of violation for example.

this

Nope. So it isn’t murder and who gives a shit unless you want Pence and Trump in your bedroom slurping up your sperm this should all be a non-issue.

Well?

Exactly, I believe ~21 weeks is about the age where the fetus can survive separated from the placenta... but its definitely not black and white

At what stage is it no longer a fetus?

When its drawn its first breath outside the womb

Birth, thats the technical definition.... the stage when it becomes a fetus instead of an embryo is actually pretty arbitrary

Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. My ex wife tried desperately to murder our son. I have to literally padlock our doors and windows to keep her from escaping. It was a hell of a lot of bother but she had my son. I didn't force her to be a mother.i raised my kids alone. And today they are doing great with good wives and perfect kids. The one the ex tried to kill isnow general manager of a huge car sales lot. He makes many times more per hour than I could. And that evil bitch tried her best to kill him.

>all Republicans believe exactly the same thing to the same degree
Glad to know you, as a liberal, pretend to care about children but also want the right to fuck children by abolishing the age of consent.

Its not murder your son wasnt your son until he drew his first breath. Fetuses arent people

I'm just trying to establish the baseline still.
So if the child could be delivered on day 270 just fine, but a mother wants to get an abortion at day 268, that is not murder?

Just because you forced your ex to give birth when she didn't want to have the child, doesn't mean aborting a fetus is murder... you need a better argument than that

Nope cause no breath has been drawn outside the womb