Transpeople with gender dysphoria are not mentally ill:
>"The diagnostic label gender identity disorder (GID) was used by the DSM until its reclassification as gender dysphoria in 2013, with the release of the DSM-5."
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It's called "gender dysphoria" and not a "disorder". Psycologists have proven this and are the experts and not you if you still claim "they're mentally ill".
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They are definitely mentally ill and this will change Zero people's opinions, nice try though
>Psychologists have proven
Pffft.
Like anyone gives a fuck.
Other things that used to be considered unnatural, sinful, and mentally ill: left-handedness, homosexuality, sexual kinks, and even asexuality.
>Gender dysphoria(GD) is the distress a person feels due to theirbirth-assigned sexandgendernot matching theirgender identity. People who experience gender dysphoria are typicallytransgender. Evidence from studies of twins suggests that gender dysphoria not only has psychological causes, but may have biological causes as well.[4]
Literally says gender dysphoria has psychological causes in the first two sentences of you link.
The are mentally ill my friend try and justify it all you want it won't change
They are
They're fucking annoying attention whores whatever the case. Go fuck yourself, pervert.
I bet you're a degenerate fucking southpaw too.
So it's a psychological issue that causes a litany of issues such as "Eating disorders, suicide, depression, anxiety, social isolation" but it's not a mental illness? Are you by chance retarded? If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog, and acts like a dog; it is a dog
Since when were libtards allowed on Yea Forums fuck off faggot
Trauma for life being molested
and now kys
If you actually read the article you'll see that they changed it to remove negative stigma towards the illness and to not reinforce the idea of gender normality. Basically so idiots like you can make posts like this so you don't feel like a whackjob. Coddling special snowflakes is all
Motherfuckers trying to prove a biological "fact" by twisting language and using a description from a for-profit diagnostic schedule.
Doctors just figured out how to make more money by chopping off more of your dick and you're shilling for them.
It was rebranded because of gay lobby groups and not because it is less of a mental illness
And money. Don't forget the profit for the doctors.
Except the guy who wrote that study is the one actively trying to spread transness worldwide and no other studies ever caroborated it. Kids go trans not because their born in the wrong body, but because they require extra attention than theyve gotten and have been coached into becoming a faggot so as to be easily manipulated in society. Its self evident is it not?
All the while the trans "system" is stacking up the bucks from newly codified insurance coverage and ICD codes since the DSM validates all this nonsense.
that's still a mental illness
otherwise it wouldn't be in the DSM-5 faggot
that's why the idiots are trying to take it out
A mental illness is declared, not discovered. The pseudo-preists who set the rules for this belief system get together and decide, not discover, what will and will not be considered a mental illness this year.
Why do they do this? Money, maybe?
The DSM has been heavily influenced by politicians. By any basic diagnostic criteria, gender dysphoria IS a mental disorder. The truly sad thing is that because its so politicized, its near impossible to do objective research on how to lower the insane suicide rate of trans people. I think its something like 41% attempt, and reassignment surgery has zero impact on that. Pretending gender dysphoria is not a disorder is actively killing trans people.
Why is there such an amazingly similar rate of suicide for unmedicated schizophrenics? Is it possible trannies and delusional schizophrenics are the same cohort?
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Eh, maybe...the suicide rates are eerily similar.
That's one of those interesting research questions you can't get past the IRB these days. We need to cut out the politics so we can do some actual science and figure out how to help these people not kill themselves.
>being trans good
>vidya a health epidemic
>800 gorillian genders
>muh global warming
The absolute state of "science" in current year.
I'm pretty sure the reason the suicide rate is so bad because of the hardship they endure. Everyone thinks they're freaks and they have to go through life like that. Reassignment doesn't change it because if anything they're even more weird and hated, look at the whole bruce jenner thing. People born/mentally shifted to be trans aren't suicidal as a result of the illness. I'm not defending OP it's definitely a mental illness through and through, it's just all of the negative symptoms accompanied with the illness are because of society's view and attitude towards them
That's certainly a part of it, no question there. But that accounts at best for maybe a 20% attempt rate, it doesn't explain it all. It's a multivariate cause, and because of the use of trans people as political vehicles we haven't been able to nail down which variable is responsible for what part of the final suicide attempt rate. It's a bitter irony that the people who claim to want to support trans people are the same ones preventing that from happening.
I agree, ultimately there hasn't been enough research on it and them being shoved into the mainstream spotlight definitely has not helped. They're told they're normal and it's fine to be different, so they don't seek help or even wonder why they're the way they are. And yeah most people that support trans are just doing it so they can say they do and gain support from "Allies", cause these type of people will follow anyone that has similar interests. It is sad.
I agree, ultimately there hasn't been enough research on it and them being shoved into the mainstream spotlight definitely has not helped. It's the case of most mental illnesses that there's countless possibilities and explanations for things. They're told they're normal and it's fine to be different, so they don't seek help or even wonder why they're the way they are. And yeah most people that support trans are just doing it so they can say they do and gain support from "Allies", cause these type of people will follow anyone that has similar interests. It is sad.
>I'm pretty sure the reason the suicide rate is so bad because of the hardship they endure
Nah, it's simpler than that. Trannies are narcissists, and suicide is the ultimate act of narcissism.
I wanted to do research into this for my Cognitive Science degree. Not matter how I designed my experiments the IRB just would not approve it. SO I ended up doing lie detection research instead :(
Major key. The best route for these people is to be accepted into society so they dont feel the need to undergo biological modifications. The main source of suicide imo is hormones. If your thyroid gets fucked up you could lose your mind, get fat, all kinds of shit and yet doctors are injecting kids with t or e without any goddamn scope of how deeply that affects a person. You are right to claim the activists wjo push the trans narrative are actively damaging trans lives.
mayoclinic.org
>Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior.
>Many people have mental health concerns from time to time. But a mental health concern becomes a mental illness when ongoing signs and symptoms cause frequent stress and affect your ability to function.
I have gender dysphoria issues myself and I would absolutely vall it a mental illness
The DSM isn't a psychology book, its a psychiatry book, psychologists are only interested in documenting thoughts and behaviors, psychiatrists are the one who label certain behaviors as disorders to make money selling pills and work for the state to standardize behavior to maximize productivity and try to lock unproductive people away from the proles.
I absolutely agree. But if you even bring up figuring out the causes and effective treatments suddenly you're a transphobe. It's asinine.
This man speaks the truth!
Really though, psychiatry masquerades as a medical science when it's more about controlling behavior.
When we call something a "mental illness" now, it's like we've all forgotten that that's a metaphor.
What do you mean? The brain is just an organ, it can get sick and get better just like the liver or the heart.
notice how they don't actually provide proof
Those are mental disorders
The brain, sure. Neurological disorders are completely legit medical problems to be healed by medical professionals.
But you're glossing right over your:
brain == mind, assumption.
Psychiatry and psychology deal with that gray area, behaviors that are undesirable, but we haven't found a physical reason for them yet. Long before a condition in your brain is pinpointed as a legit neurological disease, your inconvenient behavior marks you as having a "mental illness".
30 years ago homosexuality was a mental illness, now it's not.
A "mental illness" reflects more of a societies subjective moral leanings than it does any actual disease.
Might seem like hairsplitting, but I think it's an important distinction.
Yes they are. Wikipedia isn't a good source material
Wonderful. Now more trannies are going to die because what they have will not be treated because according to liberal science it doesn't exists because they are moral Empericists and the universe only exists within the context of their feelings.
TL;DR - "mental illness" != "neurological disease"
Protip: It's environmental and condition based. Not everything is genetic. Some people personalities can induce mental illness in others. Social behaviour is complex and science can't into group behavior and the individual well.
I have to disagree. Unless you're a dualist, the mind is an emergent phenomena of the brain.
I do kinda know what I'm talking about, pic related
>brain doesn't agree with the genetics that define what you are
>i-it isn't a mental disorder you guys!!!
Obviously this whole thing is a touchy subject, especially since we don't have a way to treat the mental aspects of this yet. The options for these people are to just live with it or to try to override their body's chemistry with constant hormones and sometimes even surgery. While I do believe the choice is ultimately up to the individual, I feel it is WAY more harmful to completely ignore anything related to the mental aspects of this condition and exploring possible treatment in that direction.
Too bad that's not a gender studies degree, I don't think you're qualified to post itt
lol. Jelly you don't have a STEM degree?
Just execute them all.
Dude, you didn't even address anything I'd said.
You can't just wave a degree around and pretend like it answers something.
All that proves is you're able to pay your bills on time and follow directions.
That’s like saying “aint” is valid grammar because they list it in the dictionary as colloquial.
There is a lot of controversy in the psychology community over how some of the diagnosis is defined.
For example, all psychologists understand that there are two parts to addictions: one is the habit, the other is the physical change in the body-- the chemical changes that cause the cravings tobuse. Psychologists address the habit and doctors ought to treat the physical cravings. However, defining addiction as a disease-- even though its definition completely outlies the medical definition of a disease-- will yield better results in treating addiction.
As for treating the disorder, psychologists may face less resistance to information being provided when seeking help or attempting to cope with feelings of societal rejection.
Ultimately, the psychology community is aware that people will do what they wish, and it's best to not insult them as they seek better mental health.
Personal note:
You might be surprised to learn that reading about this stuff on Reddit often defaults to a heavily leftward slant. Most of their moderators are captains of liberalism. I'm glad that you posted this here because I was banned on Reddit for giving an answer much like what I just gave. I work at a mental health clinic and so my answer is a little more authoritative than just 'someone who read it somewhere', although admittedly, I am providing as a secondary source.
>I work at a mental health clinic
Then how do you not understand the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist, are you the clinic's janitor or something?
>brain == mind
yep
>Long before a condition in your brain is pinpointed as a legit neurological disease, your inconvenient behavior marks you as having a "mental illness".
Laughably false, learn to google.
>A "mental illness" reflects more of a societies subjective moral leanings than it does any actual disease.
WTF are you smoking, and why aren't you sharing?
>All that proves is you're able to pay your bills on time and follow directions.
You should look up the scientific method, if this is how you think it'll blow your mind
kek, thanks for responding. I was worried you might have something substantial to say and then I'd need to reevaluate my views.
Awwww, room temperature IQs are so cute
Haha, I'm glad your degree has given you the confidence to stop critically examining yourself and the world around you.
Psychologists mostly work at the clinic. There are several psychiatrists. All are staffed as practitioners.
I never indicated not knowing the difference. Most of the psychology community are psychologists, not psychiatrists.
> trust doctors, they say cutting your dick off isnt a mental disease!
> dont trust doctors, they say being fat is unhealthy!
Pick one you lefty retards.
fucktard, being a fag is a mental illness.
Huh? Did someone hurt your feels?
You know, there have been several studies into left handedness that have found a direct and consistent correlation between being left handed and having had a vanishing twin. That is to say, that from what they can tell, most left handed people assimilated a twin in utero.
Why doesn't science study habitat and addiction?