I don't think ADHD people are bad, it's just that I don't understand why they don't adopt...

I don't think ADHD people are bad, it's just that I don't understand why they don't adopt. I understand having genetic children is desirable but you got to consider the gene pool. It's not like it's going to stop unless they do something about it.

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In a matter of 50 years genetically inherited diseases are gonna be treatable on a large scale. Look up cripr (alsoknown as cas9), it's an incredibly cool technology to bring medicine into the next stage. The Chinese have allegedly borne AIDS resistant children like a year ago. Things like that suddenly get possible.

I feel this way about every disability

Crispr is actually garbage and it's only been pumped up by media sensationalism. Look into the complications that's come up since the initial headlines

ADHD is a made up disease. Boys naturally want to play outside. Wow, big shocker.

China of lying. Welcome to the second cold war

I will, last thing I've seen was that people had knocked out the skin cells of shrimp so the appeared to be completely made of water.
And obviously it's not all simple, but guess what: The human DNA consists of about one GB of data. Only 4 MB of that actually varies because that's how close humans are related to one another. That means we'll have to identify and map 4 MB of DNA gibberish. Humans have successfully completed harder Tasks.

And who told you that? Right, an American News site...

what does : China of Lying' mean?

Nope. It's all psyop garbage aimed at making non-humans citizens (voters)

China IS lying.

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You're getting so far into the future it's not relevant to today's discussion. If we were able to alter DNA so ADHD occur, we could also at it pretty much anything at that point. That's designer Babyland and not coming for multiple Generations

As a person without ADD or ADHD, I find people with it to be annoying as fuck.

It's a fake disease. You're a moron. Are y'all chinks in these ADHD threads?

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But why? People may be afraid, but it's a matter of willingness to commit to the future. Given the resources we have today and a big fucking DNA bank you should be able to figure out the first steps today. Hell you can have your genetical heritage mapped for a couple of dollars, how hard can it be to find the common DNA sequence people with some inherited disease have? You just need access to large numbers of samples and a good overview of the living conditions of the subjects. Any big state that was willing to make a big step forward can pull it off at this moment. The only thing that stands in our ways is the popularity of zombie movies which produces people who are afraid of gene technology. 200 years people were afraid to be cut up by a doctor, today people do it so they can have a nice nose. While it may not be the west it will happen in our near future and genetically altered children will become a mass phenomenon.

Because I don't see that happening next generation which is an entire generation of lives that would be affected by genetic diseases

Weaponized genetics. It's coming

Imagine if someone told YOU that you shouldn't have children because of your disability. Im pretty sure your reaction would be no fuck you im gonna live my life the way I want to.

Everyone on Earth had ADD. Keeping attention is hard so the question is why doesnt everyone have ADD/ADHD?

People have ADHD more because they grow up without Fathers who dont roughhouse with them and because of Video games, internet and phones. In 2000, the human attention span was 12 seconds. Now? Its 8 seconds.

ADHD is a mental disorder totally created and prevantable by our modern world.

Seriously, look all this shit up. Im not making any of it up

The fact is, you have to practice keeping attention and practice remembering things.

It's hard to look something up that isn't true because there's nothing about it on the internet. Just checked

That's a seriously fucked-up mentality. Completely and 100% disregarding their quality of life for selfish interest of not adopting

ADHD fag here. What's the issue? We aren't retarded or damaged... We thrive in certain environments as well. Entrepreneurs, arts, trades, were disproportionately over represented in medical jobs.
We just don't do so well in the school system. It's too structured and samey and requires a lot of organization skills that don't come naturally to us. Inb4 anything, I have a bachelor in political science. We can get through it and once we're done we're usually fine.

All ADHD is is our brains develop differently. It comes with a different set of interests and a specific set of skills advantages faults and disadvantages. That's about all it means...

>Makes all of it up

"LOOK IT UP GUIS IM NOT MAKING DIS UP"

What the guy below you said put it perfectly. People with ADD/Adhd can function just as well if not better than other people. You act like its the equivalent of a downie having kids which even then, at least give him that to live for. Cant imagine being that fucked up AND not being able to experience the joy of sex.

That's not true. At all.
ADHD is poorly named as it was named in the 50s long before it was understood.
"Attention deficit" describes just one way it affects us, and it's not even accurate. We have an extreme abundance of attention, (look up hyperfocus. When on something engaging we tend to have unrivaled concentration. We can do something were passionate about for 12 hours straight.) And There's a slight regulation problem, that's it.

Then there's the other shit, the emotion control, the social self regulation, the always racing brain, the co morbid anxiety disorders, the working memory issues, the forgetfulness and so on...

ADHD isn't just "trouble paying attention". That's 1% of it.

implying all adhd people want kids. i shiggy diggy

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I really don't want to get into the argument about ADHD being a burden on one's quality of life because it's personal to you. All I know is that you should think of the child and want the best for them

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Just because it's not the worst thing doesn't mean it's not a burden on someone's life. It truly makes learning more difficult

It definitely isnt fake you tinfoil wearing wingnut. My coworker has it bad (as well as asthma for added obnoxiousness) and he cant sit fucking still or shut up for more than 15 mins.

That's a person who didn't get enough attention as a child and probably had a poor diet. It's not genetic. It's not a disease. It's a lack of stability in developmental stages and lack of discipline/impulse control

srsly i always have to restart learning c++ from scratch cause i fregot :p

I mean, yeah, it's tough at times but everyone's life is... I make 6 figures in the trades, my work is stress free, and ADHD qualities are extremely well suited to it.
About all that's tough for us is elementary and high school and thats because accommodation is kind of lacking...

My father has ADHD. He was literally the president of his field (occupational health and safety, he was on the international board) Were extremely high achieving if we get our environment right, which requires good guidance which starts in the schools or with parents who know what's up.

Our problem is more other people just not understanding how were tailored than it is our own development.

>Not genetic
It is
>Not a disease
No, it's a neurodevelopmental disorder. Major difference.

ADHD is just one way of being a boy (typically), and they probably have a high functioning brain.

Classrooms are made for girls. Boys ought to have school in the woods.

Ok, but just like autism is, it comes with its set of pros and cons. You can't deny that there are people who have either or both of those conditions and excel very well at certain things.

I have ADHD myself still into my mid 20s, I didnt ever get a proper diagnosis until later in my teens and was instead mislabelled as a trouble child. Yea I had difficulty learning most subjects, but the subjects I was interested in I had straight As and I got into college and university towards engineering. I wouldnt ever say I was ever at a disadvantage though.

Girls have ADHD as well. It manifests differently but they have it at the same rate..

>Neurodevelopmental

>Genetic

Pick one

>Same rate

Bold-faced lie

Yeah, the genes say "develop this way". Then you have kids and their genes they got from you say "develop this way".
Minored in psychology and have adhd. Don't test me bruh.

Nah. Its not.
Even in boys ADHD doesn't always mean "runs around and can't sit still". That's like one of a thousand symptoms that doesn't always manifest.

If that's what you and your dad achieved then honestly who's to say you two couldn't have gone higher without the disorder?

>Being this retarded

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I'm still waiting for the penis to grow

With that testimony it just sounds like an unnecessary burden to me

No, it's not, its caused by a chronic deficiency of dopamine. If you measure the dopamine levels in a normal person vs an ADHD person you will find that the ADHD person has a much lower amount of dopamine.

And ADHD has nothing to do with wanting to play outside, its causes a severe decrease in attention span because the brain isn't able to filter all of the outside stimuli as efficiently. Dopamine not only makes you feel happier, but it's also a neurotransmitter, a substance that filters external stimuli.

All ADHD meds are very power stimulants, ritalin for example is 40 times are powerful as caffeine. If ADHD were made up all ADHD meds would do is make the children even more hyper and inattentive, but they don't because the stimulant is metabolized as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor (tricks the body into thinking the dopamine levels are even lower than they are making the body produce more)

Oh geez. An academic.

(((They))) are kidding to everybody to sell drugs to kids that princess the brain for brainwashing.

Your field is pozzed as fuck.

What trauma caused you to enter that field?

Because it's qualities of the disorder that do this. I said in an earlier post, were extremely well represented in trades and entrepreneurship.
We hyperfocus when were impassioned.
My father ate drank and dreamed his career. That is an ADHD quality.
If you think it's "can't pay attention" you have fallen for the stigma and need to rethink everything you think you know. The general public perception is very very wrong.
Also
>Literal top of his career
Maybe he could have achieved more!? Did you think about that before saying it??

>What trauma?
Having ADHD and wondering why I couldn't focus on homework, sitting for hours at a desk crying because I couldn't out a pen to a paper, and yet getting 90-100% on all my tests and exams because I was learning the material just fine anyway.

>It's all fake!!!
Sounds like the words of someone who's never read a single thing about it and has strong opinions they heard somewhere else.

>Learning more difficult
We learn fine. We just don't learn the way most people do, which school is tailored around because its designed to tailor to the majority.

You're right user. Everyone should just disregard any scientific studies and evidence because a guy on Yea Forums said otherwise. Thank you for showing me error of my ways.

When the triple parentheses show off you always know it's going to be a cringe Fest

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Not sure would have, could have. If he didn't have ADHD that was.

Not should have, would have. If he didn't have ADHD that is

>We learn fine. We just don't learn the way most people do, which school is tailored around because its designed to tailor to the majority.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

There is no disorder, there is only good kids developing in the wrong environment.

Children's brain chemistry is natural: classrooms are not.

Great argument

Always question authority, especially when there is tons of money to be made with their claims

Disorder doesn't mean damage. It literally means "isn't like normal, which causes problems". If you learn differently than most, you have a learning disorder. You'll note there is another seperate term "learning disability".

In ADHD the learning portion is "learns differently" in a way that isn't accommodated in the school system. If proper accomodations existed and were effective, then ADHD would no longer qualify as a learning disorder.

For example if you gathered the pieces of my posts, I had to fight and struggle tooth and nail to get a bachelor under much cost and stress only to arrive in trades.

A proper learning accomodation would have been if teachers were trained to recognize symptoms and suggest I do shop class. Then I'd be making 6 figures by getting 22 in a career I enjoy instead of just arriving there now at 32.

Furthermore, ADHD affects us in a thousand more ways than attention and learning. All things that are also easily supported through proper coping skill training, which again, is at this time pretty hard to access.

>arguement
C r i n g e

Its spelt argument.

>Make 6 figures by getting 22

That's I'd be making 6 figures by 22 instead of 32. Typo.

*klaps*

Thats great grandma now go take your essential oils and STAY AWAY FROM HOSPITALS!!! HEALTH GUY BAD GREEN LIQUID GOOD

Oh and
>Selling drugs
I have co morbid complications that make drugs a non option for me. This is coming from a psychiatrist and my doctor. It's still not clear what their plan is to make money off of me with a diagnosis...

I bet your just a pleasure to know personally

Always question authority doesn't mean authority is always wrong.
And the authority you are questioning publishes their work publicly for free access by all.
You can spend the rest of the week reading through everything they have to offer. Their evidence, studies, reports. Heck you can even go and study it yourself in school to see if you can make heads or tails of it. But no. Reading an opinion piece one time and shouting your disagreement based on shit in your own head that makes sense to you from your limited perspective seemed to be good enough for you.
What an intellectual.

Yeah, retards aren't a huge fan of me. I just love pointing it out to them.

Where do you buy your green liquid? I had to boycott my last supplier because they support kneeling during the star spangled banner.

everyone making this argument is a fucking retard, and they're the one's that shouldn't breed.

So you're telling me, hypothetically, that given someone without genetic predisposition to heart or other diseases, a high level of natural intelligence, attractiveness, and physical prowess; you would tell that person they should adopt some nigger meth baby because their kid has a slightly higher chance of being ADHD? Fuck right off with that shit.

If we lived in a world where perfect human specimen existed, then sure, maybe we could have the conversation.

But there isn't a single person on earth who isn't genetically predisposed to something bad.

Oh yes, those infallible science journals who've never published anything wrong or have never had ulterior motives.

Come on, fella. (((Who))) Owens those journals? Who pays this peers?

You're a sweet kid but you're naive.

And the cringe train keeps rolling out of containmentville

Cute comeback

Youre just projecting all over the place. You can't seem to grasp that there's no benefit to ADHD and giving it to a child intentionally is unethical

They can be wrong. That's why we have consensusand meta analysis, where we review all the data ever recorded by anyone on a topic or phenomenon to see if everyone's coming to the same conclusion following the same evidence and models...

It makes it really hard to create a conspiracy, can drown out corrupt data, and it also eliminates anomalous data.
Again, you are EXTREMELY opinionated for someone who doesn't even understand the very most basic framework of the scientific method...

ADHD fag with psychology minor here.
I've refuted this stance repeatedly in this thread. You are way too stuck to this opinion. It's very wrong and damaging.

The evidence is against you, wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where you don't have to think a demographic that represents a whopping 10% of the population is doing just fine or at least can be with the right resources? Isn't that more nice? It's not even false..

Nothing you said was even worth refutation. You still haven't been able to say ADHD doesn't have disadvantages

See: climate change data

See: fat is bad, sugar is better

Sometimes, the pressure of profits can outweigh the scientific method, at least the published scientific method.

How would I be able to successfully go about convincing each and every person I've ever known my whole life that my mother died yesterday despite the fact she actually died 20 years ago? Sorry I have ADHD

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Being human has disadvantages. Adhd just has it's own set. There's a trade-off.
If you didn't have a disorder you'd have some disadvantages adhd tends not to have..

That's a huge assumption and you're overstepping. You're almost saying there is advantages to having ADHD in some way

>Fat is bad sugar is better
Has been refuted and reversed by the FDA. Because scientific method
>Climate change data
Oh you're a climate change denier. How shocking...
I hope you aren't referring to when they had to adjust the data because they were taking data from both weather buoys and ship readings which read in different ways and it made the data wonkey and they found the ship data to be inconsistent and innaccurate due to poor calibration, so they eliminated that data, which gave a much more consistent picture with the other MOUNTAINS of evidence that was good enough without it...
Fox news, oil execs, and republicans love that one. Too bad Exxon legit got sued and lost for hiding climate change data from their own researchers in the 80s from shareholders...

There... There are... We don't specifically Excel in the medical field, entrepreneurship, invention, art and trades for no reason...

Have you ever thought what the point of all that homework stress was if your already excelling in school? Seems like your a fine fellow with your ADHD and your buying into society's opinions on people different than them.

Raising another man’s child, AND another woman’s child would make me a cuck of the highest degree.

Nice try Goldstein

That is a moot point because who's to say you wouldn't have gotten even further with more prestigious achievements had you've been neurotypical

This.

Adoption is an absolute last resort for when your desperation for parenthood is so strong it overrides your shame of perpetuating someone else's DNA.

So you agree with me.

Much like those that say they believe in God and don't act like it, nobody who believes in climate change, and believes we have 12 years left on this planet, acts like they believe it.

They act like they are using "beliefs" for political motives alone.

Show me where they are trying to save the Earth instead of just take our money and freedoms. Remember when Trump didn't sign that Paris climate Accord? Remember how that was the worst? And remember how our CO2 pollution has been reduced?

Use your brain. Nobody believes this climate change stuff: it's just a means of control.

ADHD evens itself out, a higher amount of the most successful people and a higher amount of the trash. Also, the trash of ADHD tends to solve itself with drug ODs and prison time. Fix the school system to not emphasize memorizing but actually learning shit through practical means and you would see even more in the top 20% of the population. Rest will sort itself out.

Oh fuck no

I have adhd and it not that bad to warrant not getting born at all

Thats the point I've been driving. Adhd is real, and it isn't a problem. The school issue stems from we can't really do exactly whats expected of us in terms of study. When doing something that doesn't appeal to us our pre frontal cortex literally turns off which is what orchestrates all the functions to work together. When doing something we love or under crisis (exam, last minute project due) the opposite happens, our brains go rain man mode.

That's where the documentation and studies come on... It's a consistent phenomenon. We consistently excel under the same types of environments.. this is due to our hyperfocus, another well documented trait of adhd.

The politicians decisions on what to do is not evidence for or against.. but you can imagine it would be very costly to avert. That's not hard to figure out.

Our co2 was reduced because these kinds of regulations happen at a state level and most state governments defied trump and continued with green policy anyway...

>Nobody believes this climate stuff

Firstly America is the inly country in the world this is debated. The rest of us debate between left and right on what to do. Not whether or not it's a fact. And we argue about the taxes too.

Secondly, 97% consensus dude... Remember we talked about consensus?
So if half of America is so divided, and you think studies are paid, why would they pay off 97% of studies when 3% seemed to work just fine?

Giving you that oh, it's not a guarantee an ADHD child born into those world will have any interest in those particular fields. Overall with that in mind I'd say the potential benefits are only under specific circumstances and don't outweigh the disadvantages when it comes to learning and quality of life

I personally have very serious ADHD and I know it is real, but it isnt a disease I would call it a difference of mind from normal. Off my meds and my attention span is non existant and I almost am in a dream. I create vast vistas of daydreams involving anything and everything. I once spent an entire day questioning whether I was real or in a simulation, and nearly killed myself to know the answer. Anything can become a vast mystery for me to solve while my daily worries are left behind. I dont think I could function every day this way, yet every Sunday I dont take them and let my mind drift. I began to do this mostly two years ago and it has made my life and experience of the world better. I can approach my questions in life with childlike curiosity which has given answer more profound a beutifull than I could see anyone else coming to.

To answer OP I want to have children of my own. this condition is something that has made my life meaningfull and it truly does make me more creative and imaginative which has helped me think of novel hypothesis in my work. It also allowed my interest to flourish in ways most others would abandon. I am entirely convinced that the great philosophers and prophet had this so called "disease". And it is no doubt one of the foundation of man's genius.

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More creative is just an assumption. Who's to say you wouldn't have been even more creative had you been neurotypical

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Your perspective is too small

Ur dick is too small

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Because normal people focus too much on tedium and irrelevance to truly think freely

Except they will because it's the novelty, challenge, outside the box thinking and ever changing environments that attract them. I'm listing 4 things. There's more. They make great programmers and soldiers, too.

My ex-best friend's literally got kicked out of the army because they found out he has ADHD

...for example.
There's thousands of fields and jobs they're well tailored for. The lack of interest or finding these fields was covered in my posts, too. It's a matter of accommodation in education. They need to be steered in these directions. They aren't hard to identify as individuals and it's not hard to engage them in their studies if you know what you're doing.

I've heard some schools have treadmills and make overactive kids run on them to calm them down. Conveniently, this produces endorphins which for an ADHD child has the same effect as Adderall.

I'd say a huge majority, if not all of the problem for ADHD kids starts in the school environment not being appropriately tailored to their needs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the school system as is. Making an education system that meets the needs of most is efficient and why we've done so well as a civilisation. But a little further for just a few kids could make a huge difference in their lives.

I'm biased. I didn't get much accommodation and though I turned out fine, it would have been really helpful. I'm a bit bitter about my childhood education experience.

ADHD isn't an entirely negative thing to have. People with ADHD are often more successful in risky business ventures and startups.

I know what it is like to be normal my meds I take most every day do that. I dislike feeling constrained by them, but I know they are necessary.

That would have been the decision of a misinformed few and I would imagine there is a lot more to that story than you were told, and I highly doubt that's an official policy of the military.
They are fine suited for combat,
Its actually advised by psychiatrists to never disclose adhd to employers. They don't know what it is, and it puts you in a tiny ass box of stigma that's, as I've said over and over, extremely wrong. People really don't know what ADHD is.

Steering anyone towards a particular line of work isn't necessarily effective.

What country are you from? I'm in the US and here the only branch that doesn't care if you have ADHD is the Coast Guard I believe

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Dont know what you are talking about crispr is incredibly useful I work with my professor with it and it make genetic experiments far easyer and cheaper

now thats just cringe Boyoo