If you support abortion beyond the 1st trimester...

Figures, typical moldovan OP who can't bump his own shitty thread.

You are so stupid it hurts reading your comments. Do you fucking hear yourself you absolute retard.
A parasite living in a host will never grow to be able to take care of its former host, babies definitely can do it. It has happened millions of times.
Nice try.

It makes my dick hard to know that you're this buttflustered user

I'm sure it's not as hard as you get while fucking those 9 year old moldovan boys in the ass, faggot town rapist.

I think I might love you
Do you have a vagina? Let's make a baby and then not abort it. ;)

ITT: incel pushing for abortion.

>[citation needed]
>protip:you can't provide one LOL
>Do my work for me!
>Prove my point for me because I'm either lazy and dishonest or just straight-up retarded fam
>[citation needed]

You two (or samefag?) are stupid as fuck. My post is my citation. Prove it isn't a person... by default most things are a person. Is a tree a person? No because a tree has nothing that would make it a person. Apply this to everything - so why is the fetus a person? You lack any merit to claim it is. You simply make the assumption without thinking and treat your assumption like an unassailable fact.

You're scared of the question - what separates people from animals? Because if you quantify it, you instantly loose your wiggle room. You can weasel out of the reality.

Go ahead and tell me why abortion is wrong, and yet meat is not murder? Tell me the difference you stupid faggots!

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>makes an assertion
>claims he doesn't have to back it up
this is your brain on communism everyone

>You are so stupid it hurts reading your comments.
How many do you think are mine, faggot?

Also you are confusing potential with present reality. Every sperm and every egg combination is a potential person. Is it murder to not have sex, use a condom, blow a load on her tits instead, etc?

That's the rabbit hole you're going down. You aren't a person, until you develop the traits of a person. This isn't complicated. You're just a bit slow.

Uses what reddit thinks is a dank meme and gives long ass speech about morality and abortion on Yea Forums
>I a real 4chaner dude i swear
>I even knows how to greentext
>secretly relieved when people think hes baiting

A human fetus is obviously human while a tree is obviously not a human.

To me there is a big difference between life and being alive, if it hasn't lived yet, it hasn't had the chance to succeed or fail, or manipulate its surrounding in any way. It is yes technically it's alive, so it is life, and ending life is murder, but it hasn't lived so its existence hasn't accumulated value, nothing is lost. Not all murder is created equal and should not be generalized entirely as a bad thing. I believe forcing someone to do something they dont want to do it a bad thing. I believe torture is a bad thing, like enduring 9 months of something you want no part of.

You're just looking for any fucking hole to rape, aren't you? fuck moldova should have been eradicated in 1986, if only that nuclear cloud had gone south-east instead of going north to Kiev.

Dude you've been posting this shit all day, go read a book or something. This is the 30th time now

legit been here since 2004
certified originalfag
I remember a time when there were less than 4 digits to the post counts.
also Yea Forums really was never good, snacks is a fag and pederast
why haven't you killed yourself yet?

So basically you don't hold living things to any value if they aren't humans who produce things. Got it.

Let me come rape your pussy babe
Second actually.

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Nah, you meet me somewhere, all you gotta do is give me a address, hoe.

haha nice try babe
it's not rape if i scream surprise first
give me an addie cuh

Newfag detected. didn't even detect angry nigga talking to himself on a soundboard. CONFIRMED: OP IS ANGRY MOLDOVAN TOWN RAPIST. HE RAPES 9 YEAR OLD BOYS.

I thought i was pretty broad with my concept of living, something as simple as using consciousness and moving a twig from one place to another counts as manipulating its surrounding, it has done something. the world will never be the same now cause of its consciousness. No matter how small it still counts, it has a value positive and/or negative.

Shut the fuck up, cuck, no one cares about your faggot-ass opinion.

I prefer to kill the woman when her belly starts bulging out. 2 worthless humans, one clean push down the stairs. Not only do I save money by avoiding a medical abortion, but I gain money from the insurance policy I took out on her. Double fucking win. You idiot, get real.

Sorry my bad, cya

>Implying OP is not just another sexually repressed right wing Christian pedophile trying to restock his supply of victims
>NO IM NOT IM A REAL MORALFAG
Yeah, & that explains why you’re on Yea Forums.

God isn't real and if he is he is a right faggot cunt, jesus sucked off babies, allah is a nigger-loving cunt faggot jew bitch and muhammad sucks pig shit from a straw

Also kill yourself

oh and i think you might be projecting with the pedo comments
kys

Uh, I was just trying to talk to my moldovan town rapist, where did he go?

I think he figured out you had a penis and left

But cocks are what he craves. Unless it's 9 and under only on his rapist menu.

I think maybe you might be the one craving 9 year old cock user
are you jewish?

No, that would be you. I have my own cock that satisfies all my cock needs. What I don't have it a tight vagina to play with, which makes me jealous and horny. You wouldn't know anything about that since there are only little moldovan boys in your village to rape.

So do you like, suck yourself off?

Yeah, I suck my own cock because I can. What do you do? Suck a little boy's dick?

haha fucking newfag doesn't even know how to quote properly

I'm sorry i'm not 9 years old and you can't suck my dick, just give up and goto bed Moldova.

Oh, I get it, I clicked on my own trips instead of your peasant singles. My bad. such a newfag mistake.

Death != suffering
I don't give a fuck about things dying. I care about the reduction of suffering, among other things.
Child born into poverty => suffering
Protected sex > abortion > not killing an unwanted child
It's not terribly complicated.

At least you can admit you are a newfag

Edgelord

Where are you moldovan trips to prove how many 9 year old penises you suck each day?

y tho?

Except its not, dumb cunt

also saged

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>UR WRONG BUT I'M NOT GONNA EXPLAIN WHY UR WRONG CUZ THAT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME
the post
your brain on communism everyone

really though what's up with moldova? You brought that up in the last thread too and I'm fucking clueless

Your thread is at death's door, and my asshole is all you can think about.

Dodging the question faggot?

I'm not the faggot lusting over male anuses. You are.

>Woman gets abortion
"you monster, that's a baby you're killing"
>bunch of kids get shot in school
"don't touch my fucking guns, you communist"

Commercially farmed pigs show cognitive skills on par with a three year old human, and there aren't a lot of vegetarian Republicans. You just have to believe the bunch of goop inside a lady's belly is special and sacred for magical reasons.

As far as I'm concerned, its not a human or a person until it can survive independently. 2nd trimester is far too early to live if you were to remove it.

Independently? Kid couldn’t survive independently off purely survival instincts until at last 6 or 7 years old

Embryos and fetuses aren't people. They are possibilities.They can't even feel or hear before 20 weeks. The overwhelming majority of abortions happen before then. STFU

That's not what I mean, I mean that if you removed a fetus at, say, 6 months of development its body would not be developed enough to sustain life.

I think he means for like, a couple minutes at least. Y'know, the breathing and not choking on your own windpipe type stuff. But yeah he could have used to be a bit clearer about that.

This thread sure is showing signs of progress...

I pulled 6 months out of my ass by the way, I have no idea when a fetus woudl be developed enough to sustain life

>A human fetus is obviously human while a tree is obviously not a human.
What is the difference between say a cow and a human? Not that much DNA as it where. So what is a human, and why is a human special?

>It is human
means jack shit - that's just a name for a species of animal and nothing more. You assume humans are automatically special because of a label?

Humans are above animals, but why? State what makes humans above other animals. Now ask if that applies to a fetus.

Another thing - go look up an embryo scan for something like an elephant. Looks fucking identical to a human embryo scan. I could use their pictures to make a pro-life meme and none of you retards would know any better. But elephants aren't people.

Human DNA isn't special. It is barely different from many animals. But the end result isn't equal. We can communicate and become self-aware. We can learn - well most of us can. We can become more than just another dumb animal enslaved to their instincts.

yeah, sorry about the lack of clarity

fuckin lawl
this kind of shit
this kind of shit right here
it's good of you to admit it but god damn nigger don't you have a search engine ready to load up at a moment's notice so you can actually verify the shit that you spew?
You should try it sometime. It really adds a new dynamic of self-satisfaction because you're actually correct on top of shitting all over them.
It's 4D trolling. Get on my level.

So you want to ban abortion, but have you really thought about the consequences? You want higher taxes, more crime, and a faster death of the white race? Because you'll get all of that and more by being so soft.

* From 1970 to 2015, we had 45,789,558 reported abortions in the US according to the CDC.
* Abortions disproportionately go to black people, and also other minorities.
* White abortion rates are low.
* Imagine them all flooding out of the ghetto to the town where you live!

And even if you give no shits about the white race -
* Most abortions go lower class aka the welfare class.
* The taxpayer would be on the hook instead for 45 million welfare babies.
* The welfare babies themselves pump out more welfare babies in 14 years or so.

Think about your tax dollars! But lets not forget crime!
* The lower class (especially black people) commit crime at a far higher rate.
* This is true even of lower class white people too, although less so.
* More crime = more victims.
* The cost of law enforcement rises.
* More prisoners to take care of - on the taxpayer's dime!

Oh but what about adoption!? That's no answer.
* There are already too many unwanted kids.
* Those kids are raised by the state instead - on the taxpayer's dime.
* The state is a shitty parent.
* Most unadopted kids end up lifetime criminals.
* Only a tiny percentage are successful instead.

So again we get more crime, more victims, more taxpayer burden.
THE COST OF BEING SOFT IS HUGE. America needs abortion, like it or not.

Plus I'd like to propose that every convicted felon should be sterilized.
And you should make sterilization a prerequisite to apply for welfare.
I'd offer free (taxpayer) abortions because a mere $500 procedure is WAY CHEAPER than a welfare baby!
And taxpayer funded vasectomies and tube tying to prevent them getting pregnant in the first place.
Perhaps offer them $100 to get fixed. So they can get drunk, but will no longer spread their crotch fruit - that's a bargain!

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turns out that exists if you google for it

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Whites are aborting too while already below replacement rates

It hurts everybody equally, eat shit with this racist bullshit

Yes because the exact day of pregnancy where you hit a majority of births surviving is the real crux of the argument. And he's pretty close anyway. According to WHO stats, at about 28 weeks in the developing world, which is what I'm going to use as best guess for 'without respiratory assistance', 28 weeks is the point at which half of those premature births will survive to 1 year.

Niggers from Reddit are polluting this website. Please fuck off.

wait OP why are you okay with first trimester abortions?

Shut the fuck up, you don't belong here.

36 percent of abortions go to niggers even though they're 13.3% of the population.
only 11% of pregnant white women get abortions. New York cities figured out that well more than half of their black pregnancies end up in abortion rather than birth... thank God for abortion!

Goodness forbid there were ever less than 330 million souls on the particular patch of ground they designate 'the USA'. Why, that's God's appointed minimum number!

If that's how you feel, start with yourself.

>If you support abortion beyond the 1st trimester
>you have zero right to act like a self-righteous faggot about the following
>child abuse
>child neglect
>child murder
>no reason given as to why or for what reason supporting abortion beyond the 1st trimester turns anons into child abusers
>shit argumentation
Not surprised.

>forest for the trees
Way to create a person you can actually debase.
>infanticide
Not infanticide. Abortion. The only disingenuous thing is that which you are doing in the OP. Manipulative, even. You'll get no knee-jerk, guilt-trip cowing from me with that fallacious nonsense. Abortion is fine.

>Also if you are in favor of abortion because of overpopulation concerns
>how about you kill yourself instead of you selfish faggot
Because killing myself instead of me would still be killing myself, and what you wanted to actually say is still really stupid.

It's still stupid, even this far down in the thread. If that's how you feel, start with yourself. You can't be a hypocrite about your hyperbolic reaction to abortion if you follow your own advice.

I got RISUG, so I kind of already did. But still I wonder to what end in particular you feel like there need to be more humans. Do we win a prize at 500 million or what?

Is OP still here even? I kinda think other people have taken up his cause in the intervening couple hours. It sorta strikes me as fire-and-forget bait anyways.

I really want RISUG but as far as I know its not available in Australia yet

May as well be, it's all the same anyways.

The technique has been around for 30 years already. I rather doubt it will make it to the first world in time for your fertility to be a real concern, at this point. Medical tourism is probably the only real way.

even peta kills animals every fuckin day, they're hypocrites like yourself and justify their murder by blaming it on someone else you stupid double nigger

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Nah I'm here.
I'm trolling in a way, but I also believe everything that I've said.
Abortion really is mostly murder.
Dehumanizing a human before you murder them doesn't make it any less murder-y.

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>>My post is my citation.
>>does not cite real sources of research but brings up redundant hypothetical

my post is a citation, you're out of order sir/maam/retard

>trolling in a way
>believe everything that I've said
You can't have it both ways. You're either trolling or you believe what you say.

Abortion is not mostly murder. To humor you, I ask you to provide for us the definition of murder. Not your definition, not your opinion on what murder is, but the definition provided for all of us by the law. Failing to do so will establish just what this entire thing is and isn't.

Is it murder because it is human and has a soul? Or is it murder because it is a thinking creature?

Murder is killing with malice aforethought.
Killing is not always murder.

I wish the PETA VEGAN fags would understand that this planet can not support 8 billion people on vegetables alone.

As to abortion? If you are not the mother or the father? You have nothing to say on the matter.

If the government want to regulate abortion that is fine I would even tolerate a 3 strikes policy.
After which the Father must have a Vasectomy and the Mother must undergo Norplant.

Using abortion as a proxy forbirth control is not acceptable. But allowing folks to abort so as not to adversely affect their lives should be up to the potential parents.

It is amusing how most conservatives want to force live births but once a child is born they do not want to provide health care or food. Prebirth you are precious but once you turn 5 fuck you.

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In my opinion? The latter. It's the same reason I don't eat meat right now. Really looking forward to that lab-grown, guilt-free meat though.

The only people whose lives you shouldn't value are those who do not value other lives.

I can
It's abortion. People are going to think it's trolling regardless of what I say.

Also why haven't you killed yourself yet?

lets be honest, the bible is pretty pro-abortion. and pro-murder.

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>I can
>It's abortion
Incorrect. Congratulations, this is a feelings-based opinion piece.

>People are going to think it's trolling regardless of what I say
You just said it was trolling.

>Also why haven't you killed yourself yet
Because you're being over-dramatic.

Imagine being this guy, Just shaking in his seat wanting to argue with someone so badly.
And then we people he spews garbage responses only bringing up his original points, Which aren't even points at all, I bet you think people who eat meat can't love their pets because they eat animals.
You're the dumbest person I've seen in awhile.

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lmao get a load of this faggot
you dont even know if thats really OP you dumb nigger
like damn brother what if im OP? you dont know!!

It doesn't matter if it's OP, it's all the same retarded nonsense.

The thread is about abortion. Everybody's emotions are going to be heightened when it's brought up.
The fact that you couldn't establish this connection coupled with the pompous, arrogant tone suggests that you might have autism.

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I'm against abortion. But I agree there are exceptions
Better with sound
youtu.be/DUmA6ggMlbM

>until you develop the traits of a person

Slippery slope user

>rami malek at birth

If you don't support abortion rights, you're against property rights. the USA was founded on the sovereignty of private property and an individuals body is his or her private property.

FETUS FACTS:

0% of fetuses have even a high school degree
0% of fetuses are employed
0% of fetuses pay taxes

If you want to force the property owners to let these bums live rent free, you are literally antifa communists.

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this is two way opinion mate (who are you, some kind of politician), you were not really clear in this statement

>The fact that you couldn't establish this connection coupled with the pompous, arrogant tone suggests that you might have autism
If you treat this as fact, it's a case for abortion.

If you acknowledge the hyperbolic hysterics coming from OP and OP-adjacent anons, paired up with the equally lacking "reasoning" or basic fact, you have a bleeding heart situation that deserves exactly zero "empathy" or coddling. High-running emotions are no excuse. It only highlights how many people won't be using their heads. That you'd choose to take it as pompous or arrogant, allows enough motivation for anyone with a shred of functioning brain matter to relentlessly shit on the idea even further.

There's exactly zero substance to necessitate that anyone treat OP, or OP-adjacent anons, in any fashion except for that of a colossal faggot. Period.

>doesn't deny his autism

most of this thread is communists

support private property. support the USA.

support this post:

>conveniently ignoring the caveat for the sake of a gotcha moment

youtube.com/watch?v=fHOaX2qfbos

*sigh* i just want all bitches to know one thing, and i know it hurts because i've felt the pained vibes when i told them. they didn't "hate" me, but they weren't happy. they were very unhappy.

pretty much all legal abortions are girls. that's why we all have nipples. you don't begin to become male until later.

women want the right to kill their unborn DAUGHTER, not "rapist's child" primarily. what matters more, your rapist's rape child or your DAUGHTER? because, it's still your fucking DAUGHTER.

if you're making an argument on greentext, you suck

chew on this post you worthless fuck:

Yet if you tell them it's a boy they happily abort.
And we supposedly hate them. lmfao

I support abortion even after 8 months.

Great we'll start by aborting you, you retarded faggot.

What's it like having zero awareness?

Nice use of large words. It's too bad the majority of people reading your bullshit can't understand them. Calling people christfags and republicunts isn't going to do anything but make people think you're an asshole. Instead of insulting people, why don't you offer an argument for your cause, such as the need for a good strong future generation of Americans to keep our country strong in the coming times of uncertainty.

>Quora
>credible source

How's 8th grade debate team going user?

>genetic disorders

Seethe, cuckservatard

I'm actually a leftist. I just don't agree with the rest of you faggots on abortion or guns.

I can tell you didn't bother to read it. The first response goes into some depth and offers viable citations relevant to the topic.

I think you're just coping in absence of any real argument.

There exists the absence of any real argument for abortion being child abuse or murder.

>against women's right bodily autonomy
>leftist
howdoyoudofellowleftist.gif

The only time it's mentioned in the Bible are instructions for how to do it.

I'm not fully against abortion. I just think OP is a dick. If a parent knows that their child will be born with a severe defect, abortion is fine. Just because modern science can keep a brain dead vegetable alive doesn't make it ok.

>Bible
What does a fairy tale book have to do with the topic at hand?

-What justifies abortion?

1. Abnormalities.
>1a. It is unfair to bring a child into this world if it will suffer.

2. Wellbeing of the mother or child is at serious risk.
>2a. If a pregnancy has risk of causing physical harm to either mother or baby, it is only right to take necessary action.

-What does not justify abortion?

1. It's my body, I can do what I want.
>1a. Your fetus is not part of your body. Whilst a fetus is inside you and attached to you, you do not have the same DNA. It is not you but a separate being.

2. I didn't want a child.
>2a. By becoming sexually active, you should be prepared for an unwanted pregnancy. If you are not using adequate precautions, you are fully responsible for your child and may not be considered for abortion. Sex education is taught almost worldwide and there is no excuse to not use contraception. Birth control pills must be taken every day, condoms must be stored and used properly- before date of expiry.
>2b. Emergency contraception will still be legal, it is 89% effective at 72 hours, and 95% effective at 24 hours.

3. I am under the age of consent.
>3a. You broke the law, you are fully responsible for the consequences.

4. I am unable to look after my child.
>4a. Baby hatches exist for this reason, your baby will be taken care of.

5. But it isn't murder.
>5a. A fetus is alive, the criteria for life is movement, respiration, sensitivity, homeostasis, reproduction, excretion and nutrition. Using this criteria, we can say that an embryo is alive at the moment of conception. By definition murder is 'the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.', thus abortion is murder.

>when you realise Yea Forums is filled with shitlibs

Using that definition your toenails are alive and you're commiting murder every time you trim someone else's.

All abortion is fine whatever the circumstances or reasons. A woman's body - a woman's choice.

A fetus is absolutely a part of a woman's body which is why if you pull it out it will die in three minutes. Same as any organ.

Toenails:
>part of YOUR body
>contain the same dna as the rest of your body
A child:
>not part of your body, but a product of it
>does not have the same dna as you

abort yourself, braindead libtard

Aborted babies go straight to heaven. Stop worrying about it christfags

Ugh, go back to your church and die in there

>thus abortion is murder

>the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
>human being
>criteria for life is
>life

>human being
>life
>equivocating an ant to a human being because it is alive, reproduces, moves, senses, and shits
Here, you should read this so that you don't manage to argue that bananas have to pay taxes and deserve representation.
douglasficek.com/teaching/phil-2222/warren.pdf

It's disappointing to me that fetuses aren't people. If they were, I'd get more women pregnant just to get abortions. Fuck yeah legal fetus murder.

Are we talking about the same poorly written baseless... Citationless rant at the top of the thread?

Here's what's going to happen, as more of these idealist church recruiters die off abortion will become more and more mainstream. Religion is the enemy of reason.

I always found it odd that people focus on the abortion debate, rather than developing a viable solution to effectively mitigate unwanted pregnancy. Of course you can preach safe sex practices in schools, but females being what they are... It has been less than effective.

Around 8th grade students are required to get the MMR, this is the time females should begin the birth control shot, should be taxpay funded, and when the girl makes a conscious decision to have a child, she ceases to take the shots. This would be way less of a burden on us working people, 4 shots a year is a he'll of a lot less than paying for these losers house healthcare food etc through government programs and like section 8.

Stop the problem at the source.

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Toenails are a product of your body. You can easily survive without them. If your child doesn't have your DNA I'm not sure how it got in there in the first place?

Seethe, cuckservatard

Toenails use nutrients from your body to grow unnecessarily. Toenails are a parasite.

>I'd get more women pregnant
no you wouldn't incel

Only to you. Also you made the claim just now, back it up.
We both know you can't. Why take an untenable position?
And the bodily rights of the other human growing inside of her?
Right I forget, you guys don't even think it's a PERSON. You know who also saw other humans as nonhumans? Hitler. Abortionists are literally Hitler.
>It's not just your body
reading is hard pal

Abortion is clearly wrong. Insofar as we acknowledge that the potential for life has at least some value in relation to life, then abortion is not a neutral act or a positive act. Therefore, it's a negative act. Exactly how you scale the negative element of that in relation to the wrongness of masturbation (which while completely normal, does carry some health and hormonal deficits, so can in a very minor way be categorized as self harm) and to what extent precisely potential life has moral weight is subjective.

But that's not the whole story. The question is, do we live in a better world for it being an option? On the one hand, we have a world where human life has value that is so minimal that it is not immoral to end it, even with malicious intent, and on the other we have a world where the failings of others must be carried as our own burdens. Murder or slavery.

Terminating life that is not your own is murder. A life sentence for every dandelion you plucked and carrot you ate.

Pay attention to the thread.

since when was a baby an exact clone of it's mother? never. it's a separate entity.

>And the bodily rights of the other human growing inside of her?
Fetus isn't a person. Woman's life is all that matters.

Would you kindly point me in the direction of relevant posts if they exist?

Dafuq you just say bish

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Yep. Don't trim your kid's toenails though or you're commiting murder.

>Fetus isn't a person
and therein is the debate you fucking retard and why your "MUH BODY" argument falls on deaf ears.

Critical thinking is clearly not a strong suit.

>either retarded or doesn't know the definition of murder
you do realise that you sound about as intelligent as a vegan?

>being this retarded
Reading is hard, eh?

It's not a human. It's a human fetus. Do you order eggs and then they give you chicken and you're like whoa these eggs are delicious!?!

a fetus is a human, what else could it be?
is your mind stuck in the 1800s? giving birth isn't likely to kill the mother like it did a few centuries ago

Honestly this. I don't even know if this motherfucker is somebody I've been arguing with or not but nigga
you dumb

It's murder because it's HUMAN LIFE. The debate is whether or not this HUMAN LIFE has rights. Leftists (the party that was supposed to be about freedom, equal rights for everybody, etc) are denying that these little unborn humans have the same rights as born people because they want women to be able to basically kill their unborn kids.

It's really sickening to me and I'm the devil.

Oh you said the baby doesn't have your DNA. Also there are zero cells in your body with the exact same DNA due to transcription error anyway.

Reading is apparently very hard for you. Isn't it well past your bedtime? School tomorrow champ!

I like how the debate shifted to toenails.

What a wild ride.

Eggs consumed by humans (in the west) are unfertilized 99% of the time. Imagine actually arguing a point without understanding what you're arguing lol

It's not human life. It's a toenail until you cut the cord and that toenail can hang around.

It is not a toenail. It is not comparable to a toenail.
Are you done being disingenuous or do you just genuinely believe this because you are indoctrinated to believe it?

an embryo is hardly a mutation is it? but product the dumb roastie that conceived it without wanting it.

Imagine that being obvious knowledge and completely missing the point. Oh wait you don't need to! You did!

Here is you: A fertilized egg is a chicken

>backpedaling
Kill yourself retard. You failed.

U r faggot :(

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no u

It could not theoretically survive on it's own outside the body. It's not up for debate.

So you think a fertilized egg is a chicken. Ok lol.

based and 100% correct

rightwing religious nuts are against abortion because they want a fresh supply of babies to rape,

It doesn't matter because it's a child, not a parasite.
It's really sad how desperate you are to dehumanize them to fight for some "right" while conveniently ignoring the "right" of both the unborn child AND the father. You really should be ashamed of yourself, but I know you're not capable of that. Just like you're not actually really capable of empathy, just manufactured outrage.
Kill yourself.

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When the end result is going to be anything devoid of substance? Sure, why not.

Here are several, each with their own points.

>Lump of cells
>infanticide
Remember to sage

>manufactured outrage
>clutching pearls at anons
Wild.

I hope they feed you that at KFC so you don't complain lol. It's not. It's a fetus.

also want to point out it doesn't survive on its own outside the womb for YEARS after it is born so I guess it's okay to start killing toddlers as well?
Five year olds?
This is exactly the kind of logic that you follow that necessarily dictates that you cannot actually share empathy for children. It is completely incompatible.

Glad I could waste your time, just like you are a waste of human flesh. Kill yourself.

>lump of cells
ahh the bullshit didn't take long!
Simple shit for simple minds. You're an idiot. That's probably news to you. What to do with your newfound knowledge?
Neck yourself

>implying that i'm a fat nigger that eats kentucky fried coon
why does a fetus' life have less value than an adult's life?

Nah. I'm not dehumanizing anyone. Fetuses are not people yet. A seed is not a carrot. If you want to argue that both parents should be required to agree on the procedure that's fine. I don't have a comment on that. But fetuses are not people no matter how much you believe they are. It's why you don't see them eating ice cream and laughing.

Looks like the shoe is on the other fetus.

A baby could survive on its own with access to food. A fetus could not.

>REEEE
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>but srsly plz go easy i can't argue fact without looking retarded
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I'm also in support of euthanasia. Those things can't even speak or comprehend speech. A rodent has higher mental capacity. I don't believe they are sentient just because they have a heart beat.

So you know the word fetus is latin right?
You know in latin it just means "childbirth"?
I mean it's right there in the name you arrogant, self-rightous twat. "childbirth"
Literally referencing what? CHILDREN.
LOL
Fucktard.
Here's my caricature of you:
>HURDUR LOOK AT ME IM SO FUCKING SMART BUT I DONT KNOW BASIC FUCKING SHIT LMAO I'M TRYING TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A CHILD AND A FETUS BUT IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY HARD BECAUSE OF WHAT FETUS MEANS WAAAAH
BETTER INSULT YOU WITH NO SUBSTANCE WAWAAAH

A fetus does not have a life. A liver does not have a 'life'. An adult human has a life because they have autonomy.

All of those were debunked logically.

>kill yourself
>kill yourself
>you kill yourself
>all of you kill yourself

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you're just a lump of cells too and so is every other living organism, except unicellular organisms.

A fetus does in fact have life though. What in the fuck are you even talking about you stupid faggot?
Literally kill yourself lmao so that maybe one of those abortions can live and maybe possibly have a higher IQ than youv

Kill yourself

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Lol you cannot think that's an argument

its a separate being, that dies if you separate it from the mother. :(

Get this absolute faggot trap trash out of my fucking thread you stupid fucking piece of shit so help me god if you don't fuck off I will fucking RUIN your little kiddie ruining CP ring you fucking faggot
I fucking mean it get the fuck out or you seriously will wish that you fucking necked yourself

>uhduhh unga bunga, grug educated on baby birth, ooga booga grug know poopoo is baby because it come out mom bunghole

youtube.com/watch?v=6X8_WEFq15Q
>tell me that this fetus does not have life

Sperm is alive, thus jacking off is murder

>logically

>emotions
>silence
>several minutes of rapist faggot-ass comments and sophistry

It actually doesn't have a life which is what you said. If you are arguing that terminating "life" is murder I'm charging you with five million counts of broccolicide

And add the difference of autonomy and you'll find that every argument you've made is invalid.
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>all life is equivalent
>not that life though

Incidentally, he may have also committed 15 million counts of insecticide while doing so.

Zero substance post.
Am I arguing with a bunch of women? LOL

Oh definitely. Those are autonomous creatures far more sophisticated than a six week old fetus. Hell is going to be hot.

Wow talk about false equivalencies.
So basically what you're saying is even though it has a heart and a brain it's not alive?
You're not alive either so I guess you're free game? I guess we'll purge you first.

>uhhhh! grug no like girl!!!

a sperm is not a human, it's a gamete.
a fetus is a human, and it's somatic.
did you learn anything in biology?

You are attempting to argue and everyone else is laughing at you. Because this is 4ch not the 700 club.

OK guys, this debate is getting heated. If we want a straight answer, how about we ask fetuses what they think about this?

never said it was human :(

Nice logical fallacy. We all know there are multiple stages at which different states allow abortions to take place, not all of which take place during this "lump of cells" phase you keep disingenuously espousing.
If you have to lie and use double-think and double-speak to defend your point, your point is indefensible.
You really should kill yourself

autonomy in biology is independant existance, for example your leg is not autonomous from your body. a fetus has separate existance from it's mother.

I'd rather ask a pregnant woman, you know, the only person who's opinion matters.

google the definition of murder then you fucking brainlet

Lost.

Really makes you think.

I like this idea, I'll ask the next one I see on it's way to the trash.
Remember to sage

A dead cow has a heart and a brain is it alive?

>the false elevation post
Most of these people are genuinely debating, you can stop trying to jerk yourself off now faggot
you aren't special
I know a place that's more to your speed though

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>a fetus has separate existance from it's mother.
It doesn't since it can't survive outside of it

Sperm is potential life however, just like a fetus is. So killing sperm = killing fetus, all life is equivalent :)

clearly has not heard of an artificial womb

I never said anything about lump of cells and you can stop with the kill yourself thing because all it does is tell everyone you're mad lol.

Everyone who is seriously arguing this in favor of abortion, but because they believe that being human makes killing fetuses murder, should read this:
douglasficek.com/teaching/phil-2222/warren.pdf

Seriously.

Grasping

I was making a joke, a fetus cannot answer :(

Mad? Nah. I just like telling hypocrites to kill themselves.

i probably relate more to sperm then a fetus tbh ;)

sperm is never potential life without an egg.

Lol you'd be surprised. Nobody wants to argue here except idiot faggots. If you'd been here for a while you'd know we're just working you up for kicks.

good for you

Clearly doesn't know what an artificial womb is

>kek

fetus isn't potential life without food, kill that shit

We are not comparing animals to humans in this instant if that’s not clear to you.

Also you have to prove why it isn’t human to make a statement otherwise you are clueless and do/say whatever your ego feels like.

I know, I was playing along.
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Because you're mad that fetuses are not people. Kill yourself.

ironic.
instead of bringing something to the argument, you're just trying to undermine mine with fallacy. now that really is grasping.

Wow so first trimester is the sweetspot? Thanks for confirming OP post. Anything after first trimester you are actually killing a forming human being LOL!

That's really crazy huh guys?

>We are not comparing animals to animals
?

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Someone has already started to do that in this thread. And bringing up animals helps paint that concept.

You definitely didn't read any of it.

>Fetuses are not people
I posit that fetuses are people unless they are nonhuman fetuses and that you should kill yourself.

fetus is never potential life without womb

Why is a fetus special, it doesn't feel, has no emotions, wouldn't really care whether it dies or not, it just fucking keeps growing. I would probably be happier killing a fetus then killing an animal or something. Fetus are barely human.

I know that it's complete bullshit to say that a four or five month old baby isn't a baby and you faggots are fucking deluding yourselves

neither is life it's self

You just said kill that shit, how can you kill something that's not alive.

You're barely human. You're a communist. When the time comes I won't mind murdering you, comrade.

Grasping, and really gets mad when I point it out

citing quora LMAO, please go to school

kill live humans, not fetuses LOL :))))

Toenails are humans guys. Livers are humans. Kidneys are humans. Teeth are humans. Teeth can exist autonomously for a long time and under the right circumstances can gain sentience and become adult people.

Now you went from animals comparing trees. You humor me.

A tree can’t make a human an animal can’t make a human. Human make humans and against if you didn’t understand we are talking about humans not apples and oranges.

When you go on and kill a living organism inside the womb are you killing a)animal b)tree or c)human ?

Because it’s called fetus doesn’t mean it’s less than what it sounds.

>oink oink porky big mad

if someone offered me 100 bucks to get a vasectomy I would happily take them up on it.

He's a hypocritical double-think retard like most of the pro-choice people in this thread who don't think for themselves but let the DNC and minority groups dictate how they should think and feel
My wife is pro-life (I'm on the fence honestly) and it sends these random women into turbocunt rage mode when they find out she's pro-life AND non-religious! She's a traitor to the sisterhood!
Fucking cunts.

kek, whatever user. you can't justify abortion and you know it. soon the whole of the US will criminalise abortion and you can't do shit about it.

humans are animals

They are not and you are mad as hell.lol

So, you didn't read it. Thank you for the confirmation, knee-jerk.

yeah I'm so mad bro you caught me I'm fucking fuming man I just don't know what to do with all this anger except tell you to kill yourself you worthless sack of cells

>No problem murdering adults.
>Problem murdering cell clusters.
Wewlad

A five month old baby is a baby of course, 5 months after it's born. 5 months in the womb it's a parasite (:

Imagine thinking that humans are not animals, hilarious

Wait, so you're angry on behalf of your wife for nonreasons?

This is what the thread is about?

A fetus is, as I have pointed out, a child.
Fetus simply means "pregnancy, childbirth"
It's still a child. It's you who keeps trying to change the definition to suit your narrative and acting like a smug faggot while you're doing it.

Kill yourself.

Pregnancy isn’t torture otherwise it would be a known technique that don’t even apply for both genders.

You sound like a fag. A woman wants to get pregnant it’s in their dna you can’t inagine how it is and fed up with how bad a pregnancy can be and how painful. Ask your mother how bad it was and if she hated it.

don't diss livers, asshole. 1/4 of a liver can become a new liver when given to a recipient. it's like a regenerating worm. it's very fucking cool, actually. it's a creature that filters our blood.

really, if you diss livers you should get your anal sphincter ripped out and you'd cry about that but your liver would be like "what, hey i feel a lack of blood pressure asshole *giggle* sorry, i forgot about your asshole".

>parasite
you are a parasite and should be culled

You aren't killing anything. Removing an organ isn't killing.

You are missing the point completely

>ugh you guys keep making retarded arguments
>it's making me so mad
>why do you keep doing it??!?
See line 2. We are bad faith actors lol.

Fetuses aren't human, stick that in your brains people. Morals are the only thing making you dislike abortions, and fetuses don't got no morals. They shouldn't be considered humans, morally speaking. They don't have emotions, opinions, feelings, none of that.

So if I remove your liver it’s not killing you?

Been justified but you ignore valid arguments like a 3rd wave feminist woman, don't care doesn't effect me, and keep grasping buddy

no you fucking idiot

You're making seriously fallacious reasoning, that's what you're doing. Playing etymologist doesn't truly help your case, it just makes you a pedant that is somehow even less effectual than some other autist. You'd think the science and morality, the meat and potatoes of the matter, would come before the lore of the name.

>He's a hypocritical double-think retard like most of the pro-choice people
Most if not all fall under this category, it's hard to explain something to retards that have it ingrained into their head that baby = bad. Sure, in some cases abortion is needed, such as if the health of the mother or the baby is at risk but if they really don't want kids don't get pregnant in the first place.
I'm non religious and was strongly pro abortion but seeing the big picture has changed my mind, but some people never will.
By on the fence, do you share the same views as me?

Human means from the dirt. Therefore humans are dirt and it's not illegal to kill them. :Smug:

its fucking not. take a fetus out and boom, you get a what you looked like at birth you still born freak

I don't know, this entire thing is starting to look like a giant cuck reflex.

Depends on the organ but wrong either way. Organs are still comprised of living cells that die when removed from the body or otherwise grievously injured. Typically (and traditionally) the failure of an internal organ meant certain death but with modern medicine we get faggots on life support talking about how unborn children are parasites.

No. You could put it back and I'd be fine.

Aw, mad (:

I think you're projecting your own inner desires

Your shit has also bacteria it’s alive why don’t you eat it ?

seething, you're spewing all kinds of bullshit because you're wrong. feminist how? they're the ones saying 'my body my choice'. i'm not grasping at all but you are.

>My wife is pro-life
>Fucking cunts
Really makes you think.

So all doctors who remove appendices are killing and should be charged with murder got it.

Take a 9 month old baby and leave it in the shade for two weeks and when you come back it's dead.
That's the sum of your argument. I'm sure it sounded really good in your head though. But yeah. You're basically saying that even children outside of the womb who absolutely 100% would die without their parents or the intervention of any other human don't deserve to be considered human or have a right to life because they're dependent.
The double think is fucking unreal. You really should kill yourself lol

i dont like poo poo :(

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Why would I put it back ? I won’t put a fetus back in

The appendice doesn't grow into a fully grown productive human with a life you disingenuous cunt
Hang yourself

I just have one question for the anti-life crew. How late is too late?

God damn it your fucking stupidity is infectious
appendix*

i was insulting you, i hope you were insulted

Because you don’t like it it has to die ? That’s selfish

>n-no u

Well since their metric seems to be "when it can survive on its own outside the womb"
So probably around the age of 6-10 depending on the child?

Fucking idiots.

I was not.
I honestly came away from exchange feeling that you may be either intoxicated or mentally retarded.

why do all you pro-life people tell other people to kill themselves, im confused :(

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it's never too late.

Any actual arguments?

no the taste

Kek you needed to be aborted I think

Close your nose.

Greater good

ur mad, dont be mad :(

They're all spergs, user

Because there are no pro life people. Whoever labels themselves as pro is a hypocrite thinking he she is contributing to society rather than masking their own adequacies and insecurities.

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

I don't value the lives of those who do not value the lives of others. If you are a cold uncaring piece of shit I will be the same way to you. I like telling shitty, possibly already depressed people to kill themselves because they are irredeemably shit in most cases anyway, especially anybody posting on this cesspit.
Look at it like this: how can you expect people to respect your life or value it enough to allow you to continue living when you do not offer the same?
I ask this to neonazis and they are equally stumped meaning you are both equally shitty humans and you should both equally kill yourselves in droves
I look forward to this "war" between you two fucktard groups. Then the rest of us can fucking live in peace again for awhile.

ur seething :( dont be mad, live like Larry :)

Live like those stupid fetuses arent LOL

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Keke

WHY ARE YOU PRO LIFE THEN :(

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It’s either you value or you don’t. There’s no middle ground.
Hypocrite

You don’t respect your own value of life how will you ever value and respect someone else’s.

>If you are a cold uncaring piece of shit I will be the same way to you
Do you tell yourself to kill yourself in the mirror? What an odd way to live.
>I like telling shitty, possibly already depressed people to kill themselves because they are irredeemably shit in most cases anyway, especially anybody posting on this cesspit
>I ask this to neonazis and they are equally stumped meaning you are both equally shitty humans
There's the nugget. Everyone they don't like is literally Hitler. Close the case, Hans.

Because these babies, these unborn children are, unlike the rest of you innocent of this fucktardery by default. They cannot take a position. That's another reason I'm here. The mothers are not defending the lives of their offspring any longer. This greatly concerns me.

It doesn't matter because I will set all to right soon enough.

PRO LIFE IS A LIE :( :( :(

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Not a hypocrite at all. I value your life until you display to me that you do not value the lives of others. At that point, I no longer value you as a person. I see you the same way you see others.
You can shriek that it is hypocritical all day long, but it's not.

i dont think they care whether you do or don't. they don't have a position, because they actually can't in any way. they are sacks of shit, that eventually grow into something after a while. before that though, they are sacks of shit

>why people kill animal?
>it same thing as human!
At this point idon't even want to believe you're not trolling. Are you seriously comparing an intelligent life form to an animal that is mostly serving the meat/diary industry? Please explain how keeping a cow alive may change the world for the better? I'd much rather have 1000 cows dead and 0 abortions than 1000 cows dead and 1000 abortions with the chance of aborting the person who will change the world for the better
>but human bad!
Incoming

Look out, it's the fetusbomber.

It is though. It's fully self-contradictory.

>i'm pro life
>n-no not that life haha

hold me anons, these 'pro-life' people are scary

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You mean appendix?

They're not sacks of shit though. You're dehumanizing, which is purely evil. I'm not even religious and even I think dehumanization is evil.
Don't you? You remember how all those people in Africa got dehumanized and slaughtered? All those Jews in Europe? The Chinese at the hands of the Japanese?
Endless suffering, all caused by people like you. People already fully formed, people with full heads and fuller egos who value themselves above a simple embryo.
Kill yourself you sack of shit.

All babies have original sin. Innocence is a lie.

>this embryo not human
>it elephant
>point proven
Its about the end result fucknugget not wether its already fully grown. Specify what being a human means to you please

they aint human so i aint dehumanising ;)

Definitely not even a little caremad lol

I already corrected myself you double-nigger, you can go back to sucking cocks

>You're dehumanizing
can't dehumanize non-human

IT IS :(

They are human embryos. They are by definition human. There you go with your bullshit lies again.
Kill yourself.

>i am a huge faggot please rape my face
t. you

Oh so you're the type of person who can't wrap their mind around the concept that humans are animals too. Get off your high horse, if you value "life" so much, you can't just limit that to humans.

Except that it is a human. You're a dishonest cunt deserving of nothing but torture and death honestly.
Kill yourself faggot.

It's called an appendix. I'm surprised you don't know what it means in Latin.

>kys
so much for pro life
Kys

Fucking lol we did it boys he's raging. Try not to murder anybody "prolife" boy

human embryos aren't humans MY BOY
here are some humans

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OP here
I agree but I'm not going there. Hard enough getting these delusional faggots to see their own unborn children as actual children without muddying the waters with animal sentience and/or sapience

stop calling them unborn children please, miscarriages happen :(

not born - not a person

Unborn children are not children. They are prechildren hth.

You can't just decide that every single abortion was a 200 IQ genius. That's not how the world works. You're already discounting the people who are alive and well, that are changing the world, today. And those who are already being born. And they're going to be born whether or not people get aborted, because it's statistically impossible that you'd be aborting every single one of them.

Way to downplay the achievements of everyone who was born anyways. Let's just keep fantasizing about things that aren't happening.

>unborn children
If they're unborn, then they aren't liable to suffer. At all. They were never born.

Can you imagine? Crazy thought. My child doesn't actually exist right now, and doesn't even have to.

I already explained why the position is not only not hypocritical but completely tenable here
Cry more
Don't flatter yourself babycheeks

>pro-lie

THIS

You have no idea how I see others right now. So do you value me or not ?

Just because you're miserable in existence and want it to stop doesn't mean everybody else feels the same way
You killed someone and denied them a future.
That is murder.

Kill yourself u fuckin shit butt animal tit dongloving sock sucker

Mcfucking kill yourself you pathetic faggot
Imagine being such a low level troll that you don't even understand how to be subtle
you really should kill yourself, you can't even troll right

Well I know that fetuses are human and will grow into your child, but I'm still pro-choice. I wanna see your faces if your girlfriend gets raped by some guy, completely destroying her, she gets pregnant and is not allowed to end pregnancy. You will have a reminder of how you couldn't protect her for all your life.

Prechildren are still children.

Lee, is that you?

no citations
not an argument

DANNY?
Really though, neck yourself you low energy, low effort phoneposter

>Just because you're miserable in existence and want it to stop doesn't mean everybody else feels the same way
In other words, you shouldn't tell people to kill themselves just because you're miserable, since everyone doesn't feel the same way.

No one was murdered. No one existed to be murdered.

>implying a troll needs to be subtle
>my sides

my opinion is more valid then yours nigger :(

>no counter-argument
discarded

Says right there in the OP I'm fine with rape babies being aborted. I meant to expand further that rapeincest babies too but I figured it kind of went in under the "rape" category anyway. At that stage it would be 100% unfair to expect anybody to carry the child to term and pay for it while the "father" rots away in prison or otherwise has nothing to do with said rapebaby's life

Rotting skeletons are babies

Ah good to know you lost this debate ages ago and are so buttthurt about it you stuck around to "troll" in absence of the ability to produce a post of substance.

Petrified ashes are babies.

>Continues dehumanizing developing human beings while acting like a self-rightous faggot about what has more "value" as a life form

Really should kill yourself you know.

The name's Doctor Deletus, and I'll annihilate your fetus with my patented fetal scrambler

Good to know you value me

It appears that you are as helpless as a fetus in the face of the great baby murder machine.

Is mayonnaise a baby?

Yeah OP, sorry, I didn't mean to direct this to you only, more a general thing I wanted to say to these rapeloving pro-life fucks.

kek

Not with that attitude!

It appears you don't have any points left to make. I accept your concession and am happy to know that you will walk away from this with a nagging doubt in the back of your mind that you're wrong, completely wrong and even if it never changes your mind it will still hang around and gnaw at what's left of your soul until you finally die :)

The only gnawing will be done by a dog, after it finds an abandoned fetus in a garbage can.

Going for those edgy Yea Forums points huh kid? I was like you once.
It doesn't matter, the seed has been planted regardless of the fertility of the ground in which it was planted.
Value all life or kill yourself. Anything else is selfish.

>I was like you once
>kill yourself

Yep, just kill yourself.