How the fuuck is he in the wrong?

A woman has the choice of abortion.. a man can get completely fucked over by a woman messing with contraception, intentionally not taking it, messing with the condoms.. I man should have the same choice to stop away from having a child.

He made a bunch of really bad mistakes there.
>having a bipolar girlfriend in the first place
>having unprotected sex with said girlfriend when she clearly wanted kids
>staying in contact with his gf or even anyone who knew her after ditching her
No man with half a brain would even be in his situation, how he could even consider a bipolar religious nutjob would abort her child is beyond me.
At some point just owning up to it and accepting your lot in life becomes a better choice than having literally your entire circle of friends and your family hate you, justified too.
And his kid suffering because he´s that fucking retarded makes it even worse.

than dont fuck or use condoms.
it might be unfair, but a man just dont have the same choices a woman has in that regard. when you abandon your own son because the mother was selfish and you act like a prima donna about it, you shouldnt be surprised people think you are a fucking selfish cunt.

He's a fucking pussy. Don't ever stick your dick into a woman you aren't ready to marry.

So men are not allowed to have sex... unless they are willing to have a child with this woman are be willing to raise and support him for atleast the next 20 years even when they specifically stated they do not want to have a child.

Thats probably his point.
Young, well off people not wanting children is the biggest retardation the modern times have produced bar none.

People should want children?

if you want to be absolutely sure you dont have to take responsibility for a child, than yes, not having sex is the safest bet.
sex is after all the human way of procreating, you shouldnt be surprised when nature takes its course.

About all he's wrong about is trying to make her get an abortion.
She wants a child more than anything, and her time was running out. Thats not an issue. She was wrong to deceive him like that, 100%. That's some cunty behaviour.

But at the end of the he said she said he did she did; he didn't want a child. He could not have been more clear he didn't want one even before she was pregnant.

If she wanted the kid she could have it but he should be totally free of all judgement, liability, payments, everything. Her fucking problem if she wants to be a douche.

Sure.. but if you're with a girl who is saying she is having her pills and whatnot, intentionally doesnt take them, lies to you about it, doesnt tell you about the pregnancy, refuses to get an abortion.. the man should be allowed to distance himself from the child. If the woman can have an abortion, the man can abort himself from the responsibility as well.

People are emotional AF and stuck in tradition.
The kids not going to do so well later in life having a father who legit didn't want him. And it's not his father's fault. Two parents in a toxic home are worse for a kid than one in a stable home.
No one thinks of that shit.

I see your logic, and it does make sense, but it also leaves the boy out of the equation.

While it might make you feel good to be free and clear of the issue, just like a woman who has an abortion, in reality we're left with another child who is neglected by his parents.

I just don't see how that makes the world a better place.

You know what does make the world a better place? People who understand that the truly good things in life require some sacrafice. Little children who have neglectful parents generally turn out pretty bad, but parents who make the time for them, no matter how much it costs them, can help them turn out a little better.

I don't know where you live but around here the dad can definitely be free of all shit if he can prove she intentionally deceived him.

And having an abortion prevents these children from being born and growing up in a shitty environment with shitty parents, parents who don't have money, parents who don't actually want to raise them, drug addicts etc.

You can't just force someone into dedicating his entire life to a child he doesn't want with a mother he doesn't want to be with.. I doubt that'd be a healthy environment for the child even if the dad stays around.

Maybe, but the point is that this guy is getting shit for it either way.

You're not the first person to reach this conclusion mate.

Look at almost every western culture in the world, dating back to their beginnings. The "tie that binds" was always considered the most important foundational structure of any healthy society. Men and women making the promise to each other so that they can raise a family.

Men and women today are both responsible for the mess we're in. We're taught little princess fantasies about marriage, "True Love," and other bullshit. Marriage isn't easy, it takes work, it takes sacrafice, it takes real men and women to set the right example for those who follow.

Men, don't abuse your wives, women show some fucking respect for your husbands. Both of you suck it up and behave like fucking adults. Your children are depending on it.

>the man should be allowed to distance himself from the child.
he can, thats what the guy in the OP did. but people have a right to judge him because of it.

>If the woman can have an abortion, the man can abort himself from the responsibility as well.
it might be unfair, but thats not how it works. the child havent done anything wrong, so it would be immoral to punish it with a life of poverty just because its mother was a cunt.
its a consequence of our biology. men just cant have all the fun without responsibilities.

Yes. Not everyone perhaps, but most people do want children. It's actually pretty normal.

Yeah that's all bullshit too.That's my feels on that. People just suck horse dick. No one actually thinks about the implications and hold people to this fake ass moral high standard.

if you so badly dont want children, than dont have sex. its that easy.

It's a different case if you're being an idiot and having unprotected sex.. but in case where you're being lied to and she intentionally screwed you over it's a different story.

Having a neglectful father who doesn't want him is very bad for the child.
It's advised never to "stay together for the kids" because of the adverse effects it can have on their quality of life.

You can't fake love either. If he doesn't want the kid he doesn't want the kid.

Sounds like something an incel would say.

Makes sense, but where does that leave the boy? Again, you are leaving him out of the equation.

The best laid plans are plans that can change when the situation shifts.

he's just dumb as fuck, thats all

Sure if you want to, but plenty of people don't want to.. these are different times where people don't want to be tied down to a single place when you can go anywhere in the world.

Job security isn't a thing as much anymore, people don't just work for decades at the same company working their way up.. they hop all over the place, different towns or even different countries. Everything is more expensive, young people are often crippled by debt.

so its the childs fault the mother lied to him?

I get your point, and it deserves to be discussed. This is why abortion laws are shit in the first place. They always focus on "A Woman's Right to Choose" and shit. It's a spit in the face to men, telling them that they have no right, no say in the life of their child.. until it's born, then they have to pay for it.

Such laws and the philosophy behind them do not empower men to be come reliable fathers. They dissuade them instead.

I think you are partially wrong. My parents didn't want to have me when I was conceived. I was an accident.

My dad did the right thing. He readjusted, he raised me, and loved me like a father should. I'm very fortunate to have what in my view is a perfect dad.

Is it really so wrong to expect men to stop thinking with their dicks and to do the right thing when it needs to be done? I think not.

you are free to act like the guy in the op and just dont participate in the childs life, but if you are such a manchild that you cant even overcome your fear of responsibilities to be there for your own flesh and blood, you shouldnt be surprised when people think you are a cunt.

Kid can thank his mom for that.
I'm all for taking responsibility for your actions and all but you can't expect someone to dedicate his life to raising and unwanted child he got against his will and through deception.

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Also true. But doesn't change the fact that if you put your dick in a girl and get her pregnant, you are responsible for the outcome.

Young people today think it's their job to fuck around. 200 years ago society wasn't perfect, but it at least understood the dangers of that behavior and adopted roles to protect itself from it.

At the end of the day it's the woman who has to carry the child for 9 months and give birth and all.. so she should have a choice in the matter.. but I don't think that has to mean that the male is just supposed to go along with it.

Both parties should have a choice, if the woman wants to keep a child whilst the man doesn't.. it's her decision to have a child without a father.

>you can't expect someone to dedicate his life to raising and unwanted child he got against his will and through deception.
yes you can expect that.
its the fatal flaw of our time that people think they can have all the fun and ditch the responsibilities, but thats not how this world works.

If you're both stupid you have to deal with the consequences.. but even then the woman has a choice of abortion, so there's a case to be made for the man to also get out of it.

It's different when the woman intentionally tricks the man though imo.

I don't agree with that. Not when foul play is happening.

As if I trick you and put a puppy in your house and now you have to raise this dog for the next 10-20 years.

even when the women tricked you, you were the one who were sticking his dick into her.
when having sex, you are partaking in the human act of procreation. if the result is a child, its your responsibility to raise it, since you wanted that sweet pussy, even if she tricked you. thats the inherit risk of sex.

No one said abortion laws are fair. Women don't care about fair, they want superiority.

When was the first time, only time, or any fucking time a feminist talked about a father's rights?

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if you want to give mothers the right to decide to bear the child or not, and have no male involvement, then you need to give the man the same amount of time to decide if he wants to be involved with the child. You can't have one person deciding something and the other involved having no decision, being turned into a labor slave.

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even if you ignore all the mistakes he made up to the point of the child being born, he was in the wrong when he chose to ignore the child after.
once he was born, it no longer was an issue just between the poster and his ex gf.

especially if he's already paying child support, he should acknowledge he also has a responsibility towards his son in being a positive male role model. otherwise he's just deliberately fucking over a kid that never asked to be born, let alone as the result of a cat getting run over.

On an emotional and purely logical level I agree with you.

However, it will result in a bunch of fatherless children.

To be fair, I would rather that women have NO RIGHT to abort. It would make them think very hard about spreading their legs for a man before they have a commitment from him.

But shit man, if I was really dreaming here I would rather that marriage and family become sacrosanct just like it used to be.

But I can only get so much from a fantasy.

It's not procreation if they are claiming to be using anti conception stuff.

just because you alter your hormones or putting some ruber over your dick doesnt change the nature of the basic act.

Would you say he was asking for it? While I would personally have stepped up, the option should still be there. Why should women be the only ones with the opt out option?

Fuck off queer

I actually don't agree with abortion because there are many other counter measure besides they can just abstain from sex if they dont want a kid.

However I don't think the gov't should be incentivizing a forced relationship.

Money from the man, and other welfare programs.

I work next to a black club and these bitches just come out looking for a drunk man to get their cum, and become a welfare queen.

>deadbeat dad detected

It changes the intention

I really just dont think when two parties are involved one party should have sole decision making. I understand bodily autonomy and what ever but that argument also argues for male bodily autonomy, part of a males autonomy is his labor and choosing where it goes and how the benifit of his labor(cash money) is spent.

He should have just beaten the baby out of her

Why does everyone forget that you can disown the child and not pay a cent towards child support?

Personally I don't feel that anyone should have an opt out option.

It encourages reckless behavior.

dont think of it as a new life, but rather a clump of cells

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Yeah, like I said, the current laws regarding "a WOMAN's right to choose" are sexist and discriminatory as fuck against men, and actively DISSUADE men from making good choices, and empowering women to make bad ones.

the intention is absolutely irrelevant for the act itself. if i stumble and fall to the floor, its still the act of falling even if i had no intention to fall.

So then you oppose abortion in cases of rape then?

You can not, unless the mother sues for you to loose parental right. So you must be such a fuck up she doesnt want the gov't forcing you to give her money.

Again, when was the last time that you heard a feminist speak up about the rights of a father?

If you want men's voices to be heard, you need to add it to the men's rights groups that are quietly springing up all over the world.

Politicians will only listen to the loudest screamers.

At 5 years of age?

Did you read the whole OP's post?

dont use the rare outlier to set the standard, we all know liberals wouldnt support any anti abortion law even if it included exceptions for rape.

totally different story, since its involuntary. but the guy in the op had sex with his gf voluntary, and without condoms even.

I agree. My argument is that if a unilateral opt out exists for mom, then it should fpr dad too. As long as forced child support exists, abortion should require the father's consent.

If you intend to fall or willingly put yourself in a situation where you are likely to fall is different from someone tripping you.

you might not of either, he made the decision to not be involved in the childs life as soon as he knew about the pregnancy(even before the pregnancy). He chose to abort himself from the childs life.

of course because feminists are not about equality.

I'm not the guy you are asking, but I thought I'd chip in.

In cases where no father is present, I would support a woman's choice to abort.

In cases where there is a father present, both parents must unanimously agree to abort. If one wants the child, but the other doesn't, the child must be given to the parent who wanted it.

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under the understanding she was not capable of getting pregnant, she was on birth control, and understood he did not want children.

I still wouldn't pay for it. I'd quit my job.

the falling-analogy was just to show you how irrelevant human intent is for a natural procedure, not for the whole "oh no she tricked my into being a dad :("-thing

Who said anything about setting standards. I was trying to make a point.
Which you missed. If a man has sex with a woman and lies to her about condom use it can be considered rape. Why is her lying about birth control not treated the same?

He also put his dick into a girl who was obsessed with becoming a mother, and he knew this BEFORE he did that.

He also used no contraception.

When someone drinks and drives, they are culpable regardless of the outcome. When someone possesses child porn, they are culpable no matter how they got it. There are certain risks involved, you need to be ready to face the consequences.

Man up. The boy is your kid, raise him.

yeah unfortunately you still owe a minimum every week even unemployed. If you dont pay it you get jailed.

I think you and I are in agreement here.

oh my god how often do you want to beat that dead horse? he sticked his dick in a crazy chick, she gets pregnant, just like nature intended, so now he has to take the responsibilties for having his fun with her.

He used his penis to manufacture the situation he suffers in, it's not a game. Wear a fucking condom.

I think you don't know just how deeply the government will reach into a man's pockets for child support money.

A while ago I read about a military prisoner of war (I forget where) who was held for 1 year then finally released. When he set foot on his home soil, they arrested him for not paying monthly child support.

Apparently a bunch of New York feminists lobbied the state government to pass a law that literally said: Being a prisoner of war is not an excuse not to pay child support.

These bitches are vile.

Would you consider "stealthing" to be rape or sexual assault?

With the child porn no actually my city was sued and lost because they did a child porn sting, and how did they do this sting, they put child porn out on the net, with misleading titles that lead people to believe it was of age porn.

With the pregnancy absolutely not you just have no logic... you should absolutely not be held responsible if you are given bad information.

because if there are two parties involved in an interaction one should not be given the advantage, if she has the opportunity to opt out, the male should be given the same amount of time to opt out. I see your anti-equality though...biggot

no

>bigot
i never said im in favor of women opting out. you have your fun in bed, you have to deal with the consequences, regardless of gender

>abandonment issues
>catholic background
>still went raw

that kid is going to be a mess

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To repeat... If he doesn't want the kid, he will be neglectful, and that's worse for the child than abandonment in the long run... Much worse..

I love kids I'll have you know. This isn't some projection of my own feels towards fatherhood. It's just facts. Some people don't want kids and they make shit parents, and kids in single parent homes do better than kids in homes with toxic relationships.

Don't put this on me. Your feelings are too hurt to be in this argument.

Well, your city may be reasonable, but most others aren't. CP possession is considered a "strict liability offense" meaning that there is no consideration for how you obtained it. You are culpable because you have it.

As far as a lying girlfriend is concerned, every court in the land will use the same justification that I am using: You knew what you were doing, and you knew the risks, therefore you are accountable for the consequences.

So you may not agree, but that's what happens to men who think with their dicks.

then we agree, Im anti abortion

if a grown up man cant even be slightly affectionate to his own kid, even if he doesnt wanted it, he is just as much of a failure than the one who abandones his kid.

It's true that if a parent doesn't want to be a parent then they will be bad ones.

However, that's exactly why I'm saying he must "Man up."

This doesn't just mean that he should take care of the kid. It means he should re-evaluate his life, make the DECISION to love the boy and be there for him.

When I say "man up" I'm talking about actually changing the way he thinks and feels. My father did it for me, and it's the right thing to do.

Theres an issue with hoes fucking basketball players digging the condoms out of the trash and emptying its contents into their puss to get that nba money... incentivised because its a percentage of income with no max.

Im gonna go jerk off to porn hub then go to work, I should not be held responsible if a girl Im hanging out with climbs in through the window digs my rag out the trash and shoves my jizz in her snatch.

I dont have the ability to get pregnant and Im on birth control. Two cases of fraud, guy should not be responsible for what happens. But for some reason this is a case we dont take fraud into account.

I had my tubes tied I cant get pregnant lets have sex... lies about tubes being tied to get pregnant completely using fraud to change a guys decision, guys still held financially responsible. Absolute trash the law works like this.

he is wrong, also probably a nigger

>crazy bitch
>stayed with crazy bitch even after they discussed having a family, should've bailed right here
>trusted crazy bitch would diligently take pill
>CHOSE not to use condom, takes 2 to make a child

A woman should have the right to choose if she want to keep a child.
A man should have the right to choose if he participates.
In some countries it is like this (where I live for example).

However in the case of OPs story. The guy is not either right or wrong because in the end it is his choice. However his mentality is very childish. He should forgive and forget the past. It is his own flesh and blood after all. As an adult man sometimes life doesn’t go as you want but you can always power through and be positive instead of being a pessimist and whining about your unfair situation.
Sorry for my bad English.

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You can tell millions of stories but Roe v. Wade is 100% getting turned haha

Gotta agree, those instances are pretty fucked up. In each of those situations the father should be free and clear of the result.

don't count on it. supreme has only overturned a previous decision once, when they ruled on brown v board of education

He is a true asshole.
Two good reasons:
1) he took advantage of a deranged girl. Man, you know she's not that OK, especially after what happened to her parents.
2) he decided to murder his unborn son. Man, you wanted your cake and impregnate it too.

Let's say in 10 years his son "Dad doesn't play with me" finds out the truth. Daddy not only doesn't want to play with you. Daddy decided to fuckin murder you.

See you again on Yea Forums in 10 years. If you see a thread "My dad wanted to assassinate me: AMA", then you know who the Aussie killer was.

I wish I could offer a good beer to the grandma/grandpa's.

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Well they'd have to kill me then, because I'd shoot anyone who tries to do anything

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>it might be unfair, but thats not how it works. the child havent done anything wrong, so it would be immoral to punish it with a life of poverty just because its mother was a cunt.

Why does the mother have no moral responsibility here? She can give the baby up for adoption if she can't afford to look after it properly. She's the one who deliberately caused the child, she's the one who wanted to have the child, she's the one who gets to make sure it's living properly.

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fake and gay. I read the same story, posted both on /pol/ and Yea Forums in the same day.

There's an entire Divorce Industry doing insane shit about alimony and child support, and a full blown political agenda about destroying marriage and family.

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why does he have responsibilities for something that nature intended lol, he's not nature

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oh yeah just DECIDE to love this person. boi if it was that fucking easy people wouldn't cheat on their spouses.

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oh yep i see you're right, convinced me gg

Well, Boi, as you say, deciding to be true to someone and love them is what separates us from the animals. And yes, it can be done.

Your mentality is exactly where divorce rates in the U.S. are up to like 55%. Marriage gets a little hard, and people suddenly say, "It's a mistake."

I never said it's going to be easy, but yes you can in fact DECIDE to learn to love someone, and you can DECIDE to stick with them and support them.

Don't breed ok?

Believe me, I don't intend to breed. If I do, it'll be because some bitch like the OP tricked me into it, and they're not getting a single cent off me.

you have a responsability to your child though

Doesn't matter how you got a baby, if it is yours you make sure you are part of the babys life, even if it means shared custody.

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fuck nah, i didn't choose for it to exist and it wasn't by my negligence. If some doctor knocks you out and clones you do you have to look after the baby clone?

OP, you're already paying for the kid; you might as well get the benefit of having a son. Avoid the mother, but be a father to your kid. That's what I did.

why is having to spend a significant part of your life for 18 years caring for a sprog you don't want a benefit?

being edgy isnt cool, user.

He is in the wrong because he abandoned his child. He knew this girl had issues, he knew she wanted kids, he dicked her without a condom, and then went full on "haha no responsibility for me lol". Nigger tier behavior.

then you're a deadbeat asshole

He abandoned his child

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No I'm not, I haven't got any kids that I know of ty.

He isn't wrong but he's still a deadbeat father.

Imagine if a nigger wrote this lmao

Argument of the year

He's not. That bitch is a lunatic. Kid will be too

Yeah I agree with you