Harris is a mediocre philosopher, and has done no relevant contributions to modern thinking

I don't get how this is relevant at all, but maybe you can explain why this nasally fuck is so profound? Or is your knee-jerk just to vomit pointless shit when you sense him getting attacked?

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He can talk for hours without really saying anything. I've seen one of his interviews that went on for three hours and he didn't say anything noteworthy. He's just a pretentious waste of time.

that talk between him and jordan peterson was really cheeesy, they yapped and yapped for a good 30+ minutes but only they knew what they were talking about. "let's just make it sound complicated so people think we're smart"

i like jordan peterson but damnit, shit is not that complicated no matter how much you wish it was.

>Harris is a mediocre philosopher, and has done no relevant contributions to modern thinking.
No atheist has ever done.

wtf did Sam Harris ever do? I quite like the guy. He doesn't engage in underhanded debate methods, but steel-man his opponent in order to tear him down.

who do you suggest instead?

his podcast is one of the best continuous products for philosphers and intellectuals in general. there are other smart people, but they don't continually release interesting conversations. they're more in their own bubbles

>/thread

God that is fucking gold.

Wut?

>who do you suggest instead?
the "argument", of course, that the bible is BOTH the literal word of god, word for word, with every word being true AND that every easily disprovable factual claim in the bible should only be interpreted metaphorically

that makes so much more sense, wouldn't you say?

jordan peterson is a shill.

Leftists hate him because he defends Israel (downplays their crimes and is much more critical of the response of its victims), because he acknowledges differences between races ("the bell curve" which has been debunked), and is generally pro-establishment.
Philosophers laugh at him because he makes the same rookie mistakes over and over again (mainly when talking about free will).

He often misrepresents his enemies, acts calm but then gets triggered when people point out his mistakes and raises his voice and does a sneaky stab at them.

I don't mind it, it's funny. But his opponents notice when he does it. He doesn't care, he is very wealthy and people literally give him their money anyway.

More like a scam artist, but yeah he's full of shit.

Philosophy is a dead field.

>acknowledges differences between races

There is only one race and that's the human race. You grossly misunderstand his stance on this subject.

I conced. You are correct. He has been open about that also. Do wonder if he has any weathly backers like David Rubin dose.

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Anons this borad is dead. No one cares to engage in dialogue anymore. Fuck even the lulz is gone.

It's just a relic of the past.

I feel like you're nitpicking my choice of words. The point is: leftists criticize him for his conversation with Murray. If you're curious about what other people think is wrong with Harris, this is useful information for you, and you can use it as a starting point for further investigation.

Naw I'm not, I followed the entire murray debacle and that is not how either of them think. It's overly simplistic, and how it often gets co-opted by individuals who are uneducated on the subject.

That's why it's so difficult to talk about these topics. Because brainlets end up misrepresenting or mischaracterizing the information to support their narratives.

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he has criticized israel before, and even called it a modern-day apartheid state

the bell curve's 'politically charged' chapter is just explaining that asians have the highest iq on average, followed by whites, followed by blacks. that's literally it. if you think he ever says anything more, show me a passage from the book. also the iq tendencies have been verified many times over because it caused so much controversy. when they couldn't invalidate that, people tried to say that the notion of IQ is invalid or invalidly tested to begin with. stephen j gould wrote a book basically arguing that IQ is invalid the way it is tested, and therefore murray's data, while accurate, is meaningless in terms of racial potential.

he is one of the only people to face that fact that there is no logical basis for free will, while everyone else seems to want to defend it so that they can feel special. even dan dennett tried to fight him by pushing him towards compatibilism, which is basically saying yes, there is no free will, but we should act as if there is and continue to punish criminals, reward hard workers, etc.

there is not, and never has been a good, comprehensive argument for the existence of free-will. it is as far-fetched as the christian god, in my personal opinion. it just has no basis. it doesn't matter whether you 'feel' free or not

i don't even love the guy, i think he's wrong in terms of placing too much emphasis on religion. he thinks if iran gets a nuclear weapon they will launch it while chanting death prayers, which I think is absurd. but still, he's smart enough to be paid attention to, which i respect.

And what most people don't get is the bell curve is only concerned with an American sample.

Well, if you were as intelligent as you pretended to be, you would understand that I don't have a position, and tried to explain what other people think is wrong with Harris. There would be no reason to reply, except possibly with "I know leftists misunderstand his position on the bell curve, thanks anyway".

>he has criticized israel before, and even called it a modern-day apartheid state
Leftists see this as "he pays lip service to human rights, but still consistently supports the side initiating the evil, that is being condemned by literally all UN members except the US".

>he is one of the only people to face that fact that there is no logical basis for free will
Almost everyone (who is not religious) understand this very basic idea. Physics is deterministic, therefore humans are as well, including their perceptions of freedom. I understood this when I was 8, it is very basic, and he doesn't say anything additional about the subject, although he and his fans think he does.

Philosophers are stricter, they define their terms more carefully. Dennett tries to gently educate him, but it fails. Philosophy is difficult, and it's a shame that many laypeople have hubris when approaching it. I am not a philosopher, I know almost nothing about it, except that it all feels deceptively simple until you actually try to engage with the subject.

I listen to his podcasts because he has interesting guests sometimes. When he is humble and lets them speak it's a good podcast.

what does he say that explicitly supports israel?

and i'm still not sure what there is left to disagree about in terms of free will. you, me, and him don't believe in it, so where is the disagreement? are you saying he should go into more detail on why it can't exist?

I don't take any one who uses the term "leftists" unironically serious.

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Also you do get Harris's position that Free Will doesn't exist is it necessarily rooted in philosophical theory right?

It's more determined by brain function processes. The episode he did with Roberts Sapolsky sums up his reasoning.

mediocre is too much, i doubt you could even consider him a philosopher honestly

>what does he say that explicitly supports israel?
Not explicit like "israel good, palestinians bad". When people talk about a conflict, they are perceived to be more harsh towards one side than the other. In this case Harris is perceived by leftists to not condemn Israel's illegal actions enough. His general idea is "israel doesn't explicitly target innocents, hamas does, so israel is less bad in this aspect". Noam Chomsky, for example, says something like "by the nuremberg nazi trials precedent, the aggressor takes the blame for all evil that follows" and "terrorism is the tactic of the oppressed" and "you can't say the civil casualties are unintended when you knew beforehand (99% likely) that there would be civilian casualties and after you made the calculation, you STILL decided to do the military action". You can read Chomsky's criticism of the term "moral equivalence" if you're interested in this viewpoint. I don't have an opinion on Israel.

>and i'm still not sure what there is left to disagree about in terms of free will
That is the problem with philosophy. Understanding the question takes a lot of effort. If you are really curious, you can try reading about it from experts. But it's more convenient to assume that it's all made-up nonsense (similar to how people dismiss climate science and vaccines and so on).

Good to know.

I think I have listened to that episode. I have never heard him say anything new that I didn't think of when I was 8.
I have heard Dennett say several nontrivial things.

There isn't much I can say now to convince you that Harris isn't an expert. But if you listen to him about free will, it's the equivalent of listening to your pastor about why climate science isn't real.

I'll sleep better tonight knowing such geniuses like you walk the earth.

>hurp when I was 8

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The point is: the nonexistence of free will (in the colloquial sense) follows immediately from the "molecules bouncing around" theory, which I was told about when was like 8 or something.

The idea is very basic after you assume this very nontrivial scientific fact.

lol nincompoops thinking they can take down Sam fucking Harris

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Why would they? Harris isn't a threat.

>Durp when I was 8

Try harder you edgy nigger fuck

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>The child can now reason logically about concrete events and classify objects into different sets.
Like sorting "things that are made of stuff" into the bin "behavior is determined by the environment".
Again, it's very basic. But you need the right upbringing to be presented with the relevant background facts. Religiously raised kids hear a lot about soul and belief, I heard more about molecules and cells.

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Everyone hates on Sam Harris for Night at the Museum but I thought he was really funny in Zoolander

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Has any modern philosopher really affected the way society thinks? It seems more like people will only listen to the news and politics and have no want or need to ever change their thought process.

Nah. Harris was even better in Dodgeball.

Zoolander still worth watching in 2019? I'm curious if his philosophical views shine through in his acting, so I want to watch an old movie and a new one to compare.

Slavoj - Make tons of money out of leftists imbeciles - Zizek

So he's like a left-wing Peterson?

Exactly. However, unlike Peterson he never proposed an alternative for the current trends of capitalism.

I'm not very familiar with either, but they both seem like babbling clowns. What does Peterson suggest?

Peterson has one thing going for him: trying to motivate doomers.

Apart from that he just tries to force God into everything and spends may too much time on stories made for children.

Yeah he is a self-help book writer, saying the same thing all self-help book writers say: "get off your ass" and other platitudes. But his voice sounds like he is almost crying, which makes it seem important and deep. He's an atheist pretending he's a christian. Pretty funny how many people fall for it. I wouldn't call it
>an alternative for the current trends of capitalism
though.

Preachy shit like individual responsibility as like we live in a world of freedom, so much freedom that we ended up allowing incoherent tranny shit and even pedo stuff to some degree. So we need a balance, not one forced by the state but an idividual one. Zizek "proposes" international cooperation to fight climate change? useless crap that means nothing and seems even more cheesy than Peterson's.

I would say that's an alternative because PC culture is one of the current trends of capitalism. He doesn't propose to chage it but some kind of moral? reform. At least he isn't proposing an armed revolution made by people wo oppose to guns. kek

I had a lot to dissect from this reply, but there's only one thing I think is worth mentioning. You've gone ahead anyways and asserted that the data you mention has been verified... somehow... because it caused controversy? I guess the world is flat because of the controversy it drums up?

I sure hope not.

he doesn't propose to change (or end) capitalism*

I wouldn't call him an atheist.

His stand against Atheism is all based on his (mis)interpretation of Crime and Punishment. Check out his interpretation and then compare it to the one of Christopher Hitchens.

Most "philosophical" points of Peterson are driven by his belief and that's why most of it falls apart in the end.

ok, yeah pc culture is the shape activism takes on in a capitalistic society
Can't outright kill your enemies, but you can force them to change their language.

I meant to reply to

sounds like someone cant stand for anything

>even pedo stuff to some degree

Yeah why do we allow the Catholic Church to continue their pedo stuff is beyond me.

And the amount of freedom we have now is truly fucking our nation. Thays why all metrics of human achivment have been trending upwards for the past 100 years (life expectancy, income, less poverty, etc) that why we need to have culture camps like the People's Republic of China or the Democratic Republic of North Korea.

Both are fine examples of how Republic should be ran. Where individuals are not burden to make decisions on their own, but the state does it for them. That will free them.

And cooperation among the nations in a common interest is retarded. When has cooperation ever in the history paid off?

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>Coauthor of a really good book on algebraic geometry.

There are no good books about algebraic geometry. The whole field is a disgrace.

Regards, an algebraic geometer

Not that user, disprove the data then.

>Most "philosophical" points of Peterson are driven by his belief and that's why most of it falls apart in the end.

/thread

But it's a completly meaningless and void actism, Zizek agrees. But the alternative is an actual revolution, but man really? We live a million times better than when Marx was alive does someone seriously thinks that the generation that grew with Tik Tok and worring about pronouns will immolate themselves for the common good on violent riots?

>implying controversy is how data is proven or verified
>implying implying is bad implying
>being asked to disprove the data when implying that the data's veracity isn't directly proportional to the controversy it causes
>being asked to disprove the data that has already had holes poked through it in this thread alone
>being asked to do any of this at all when the major issue still stands regarding the data
>having to reply
Come now.

We need a Revolution and how we think about revolutions. Or we can just have evolution in our society structure

People who do that are mentally ill. The internet can certainly make people mentally ill. Look at /r9k/ or tumblr. Of course this used to happen in real life. If all your friends and relatives are constantly talking about evil capitalists and oppression, that does make you anxious and feel hopeless and like you need to do something drastic. I think mental illness is an important step in a revolution. If every aspect of your life becomes politicized... your work, your education, all products you use, all your friends...

You do know it's accepted in the field of psychology the average IQ of whites in America is 100 with a standard deviation of 15.

And the average for minorities is 85, also with a standard deviation of 15.

The is much still on the gene environment interaction. Do you disagreed with that?

jordan pls

I would agree but you mentioned China. Yeah, no thanks, a retarded society banning movies featuring witches and ghosts because they're supertitious... fuck that. In any case, it's unsusteinable, someday people will rise for the same gay rights and stupid stuff like that. In any case I would prefer the national socialism. But freedom is better, I don't care about others well being and tranny or pedo shit doesn't bother me that much. I can take economic advantages of those kind of people. This is the world we deserve. It's perfectly fine.

Wut?

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Hey you're smart. Can you read this and tell if it's correct?
medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

I'm not sure you even understand what you wrote.

>The next revolution will be made by actual delusional retards.
This

Nothing, I'm just rambling.

>big brainded intellectual
>cares about sam harris
Yeesh

I'm a bit drunk, the point is that fuck china and yeah, things are awful but it's ok that way. humans aren't perfect the system will never be perfect.

>medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39
I don't like reading.

My point was that previous revolutionaries were actually pretty insane, but we romanticize them. "Sure they were too cruel for our modern tastes but they had the right idea."
I'm rambling though.

Not that nigger, but I stopped at:
>how good someone is at taking some type of exams designed by unsophisticated nerds

Again IQ is not even debated in the field of psychogoly regarding if it's a meanful test of academic performance. That's settled sciences.
It's even settled low IQ is correlated with most criminals.

But "g" has become the rage now. IQ by definition is a test for adolescence. But "g" isn't.

What is your point?

Enjoy your nihilism and need for an excuse to do nothing to improve the situation in which we all live in.

What are you doing to change stuff rambling on Yea Forums? Posting political memes on facebook? kek

Soild Strawman, of course she had to post that to further your delusional desire to do nothing fam.

Nassim Nicholas Taleb claims to be a very smart statistician because he has made big bucks trading. He criticizes psychologists for failing at basic stats (except Daniel Kahneman whom he praises), but I don't understand complicated math so I don't know if he's right or not.
It wouldn't surprise me if the whole field of psychology is bogus like he says. His basic claim iirc is that IQ is not predictive except for people who score low. (Like if you're mentally handicapped, you will fail at life.) He says if you remove those from the sample, the data becomes much less robust, difference between 130 and 140 is not very predictive anymore.

I am not persuaded by the materialist’s ‘solution’ to the problem of “Why Male Models?” as Harris attempts in Zoolander No. 2. Since he has already concluded in previous films that free will does not exist - and I believe a deterministic worldview must follow from this conclusion - it’s disingenuous of him to attempt to persuade anyone to agree with him. Recently he seems to be resorting to even more inflammatory remarks and ad hominem fallacies when confronted with this conundrum, and that has lost major points for him on his IMDb ranking.

How is it a strawman? Here are the stakes:
1. You do something
2. You do nothing but whine anout how awful are things
3. Yo don't give a fuck

Why change stuff anyways? Things are shit but they're getting better, 10 years ago I wouldn't be able to binge watch all the crap I like.

Yeah, no one in the field says otherwise. Nothing is deterministic.

Also he is fucking retarded becasue IQ is again a specific test used in adolescence to determine the stage of development.

"G" is a battery of tests that is more applicable in adults.

researchgate.net/figure/Estimated-IQ-onset-profiles-for-six-crime-categories-Cox-partial-likelihood-estimates_fig5_254412404

The medium of film is a statement on the absurdity of free wil. With digital formats the decision to play a frame is delegated to the codec, which in the case of hardware enabled video decompression depends on quantum effects. Now if you accept the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, the universe is not in fact deterministic, and free will may arise from that. Even though we can predict with high certainty that the computer will play each frame, a quantum event may occur that puts the electron in a superposition, creating a cascade of failure, and a frame may not be displayed. Now the question: is the universe conscious?

See

I think Taleb specifically criticizes Murray/Harris/Peterson for using IQ to back up their political statements.

How is it a strawman? I prefer to be a nihilist (which I'm not because I do care about my own well being and monehhh) than a whiny hypocrite.

The graphs from that other link are not in kept form. Here one tho.

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I suspect he dose it for the shilling honestly. Again eveuthing they say is accepted by most non-mongoloids in the feild and is accepted.

What you have now is a new group of woke researchers thay feel bad becasue of the inequality in IQ. I felt that way. Have an above-average IQ and I'm studying psychology. It was a massive thing for me to get over. But then you get to a point of see beyond it.

It would be like having a 11 inch cock and feeling bad for people with a 7-inch cock. When in fact they are probably happier than you.

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>I think mental illness is an important step in a revolution
I didn't like reading that at all.

Here we go again. Even though I genuinely have no reason to point this out, there's a key phrase in your reply. America. Americans. Pay attention to that alone, if nothing else, and suddenly, you can no longer apply this erroneous conclusion to an entire racial demographic, as racial demographics are "understood" in the modern era.

Only Asian Americans. Only White Americans. Only Black Americans. Only Americans. What is an American, anyways? And, there's the remaining notions embedded in the very notion of causation and correlation as it pertains to this. Many racial IQ advocates make a figurative metric ton of self-masturbatory rationalizations from the data- and surely you know that the data, on its own, will fail to tell the stories -rather, the conclusions- that many people tend to doll out.

Then there's
>accepted in the field of psychology
It just so happens that IQ is still hotly debated to this day. I don't think racial IQ is exactly supported in the field of psychology. There exists a few forms of standardized testing, a series of batteries that give a generally indicative score through the measuring of averages. Those are the IQ tests, notwithstanding those that might test for the g factor. The only thing you might learn from taking an IQ test, genuinely, is that you're slower or faster than the average sample of people who have also taken the test. Not how intelligent you actually are, or how much success you're capable of.

>The is much still on the gene environment interaction
>Do you disagreed with that
Why would this ever be something that you ask me, after the above? This is practically another discussion. We're not about to have a details-oriented discussion about the functions of genetics, when the original objection was that data is not verified by the level of controversy it produces.

semanticscholar.org/topic/Computational-criminology/859582

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>Here we go again. Even though I genuinely have no reason to point this out, there's a key phrase in your reply. America.Americans. Pay attention to that alone, if nothing else, and suddenly, you can no longer apply this erroneous conclusion to an entire racial demographic, as racial demographics are "understood" in the modern era.

No shit nigger, that's why I said Americans.

Then you still have some problems. Firstly, Americans are not a race. Secondly, there's no real explicit guideline that helps us understand what an American is, so that we're not including people who will spoil the data. Thirdly, causation and correlation of a particularly American flavor, and nothing else.

Taleb is a Libertarian, and Phoenician nationalist (or something like that). He is explicitly in favor of inequality. Not exactly a leftist.
He was actually pro-Jordan Peterson before Peterson started shilling globalism, Monsanto and IQ.

I have never seen him be wrong, but I usually don't understand the mathematics. I know IQ has been forcefully "normalized" to get the bell curve shape, though. (So it doesn't have the mathematical properties that naturally-occuring normally distributed random variables have.)

There is also the replication crisis, so a lot of older results in psychology are questionable now. But you probably know all about that.

He did specified that he was talking about whites though...

That is a useful graph (assuming it's not tricking me).

Notice how I never said race. There is only one race, the human race.

Dude, you sound like a triggered nigger. You do understand the concept of cultural impact of different cognitive metrics is a fairly robust studied science in Psychology correct?

So you don't want to talk about gene-environment relationships but willing to bring up causation and correlation.

OK
>sage goes in all fields.

Please keep using buzz words.

What in my post triggered you?

I mean look I'm not saying Low IQ people commite crimes because they have low IS pre se. These people also have low SES which is the single greatest predictor of criminally. I am of the mindset of environmental influences play a massive role.

But sure the genes must be present.

The thing is that neurological development which determines IQ is actually influenced by the enviroment as well.

greyenlightenment.com/nassim-taleb-sticks-his-foot-in-his-mouth-again-about-iq-research/

greyenlightenment.com/taleb-spreading-more-bs-about-intelligence-research/

danielmiessler.com/blog/how-nassim-taleb-is-both-right-and-wrong-about-iq/

quora.com/Is-Nassim-Taleb-right-that-IQ-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle

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>da black docta smart xD

Oh cool. Do go on.

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Kek

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One of you is saying that they said
>White
Americans, and one of you is saying that whites were specified.

I see with my own eyes, the phrases
>whites in America
and
>minorities
according to
which is a direct reply to
which is a direct reply to
which is a direct reply to
which is a direct reply to
and fails to explicitly state or even convey that they do not champion the ideas or sentiments in
such that
>You do know it's accepted in the field of psychology
follows
>disprove the data then
which is most certainly an invitation to disprove something being advocated for as proven and/or otherwise valid and robust. Context included, valid and robust because of its generated controversy- the entire reason this reply chain has happened. Not to mention
>that's why I said Americans
was already mentioned.

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harris isn't a philosopher
he's a neurologist

>You do understand the concept of cultural impact of different cognitive metrics is a fairly robust studied science in Psychology correct?
I understand that this is a position. But I don't think I agree with the narrative you seem to be angling for. It begs too much.

>So you don't want to talk about gene-environment relationships but willing to bring up causation and correlation.
So you want to invoke a red herring? Because doing this means we inevitably stop talking about the
>original
objection, meaning it never gets resolved. If that's your goal, then that's great. But I choose not to oblige it more than necessary, because I have seen so many topics of conversation get needlessly derailed and devolve into semantic masturbation sessions. In other words, there is genuinely no reason for you to have questioned my take on that particular topic, as there is no real relationship between
>data is not true because of how much controversy it garners
and
>gene-environment relationships are real

The former genuinely does not answer the latter. There's no reason to ask that. To do so, is inviting a new conversation to take place. Refusing to let that happen does not in any way diminish the importance of the original objection beyond personal need for the original objection to be downplayed out of existence. If you want to talk about causation and correlation, then talk about causation and correlation. Don't try to get me to play devil's advocate for something I clearly am not asking to discuss.

You should know why it's not being discussed. Probably, because semantically, there's no argument to be had. Thus, again, there's no reason to ask that question, or to even demand it, when talking about the relationship between data, controversy, and the validity of the data.

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>has done no relevant contributions to

Holy fuck OP. Starting off with that linguistic abortion , I can’t wait to see your sooper relevant contribootions to philosophry. lol

Relevant to what...

do you have a comparative one for communities / areas / religion?

>I understand that this is a position. But I don't think I agree with the narrative you seem to be angling for.
What is my angle?

>/thread

I thought we didn't want to distinguish between those? Because that would make me a racist.

i would argue that "done no relevant contributions" is actually more correct than "made no relevant contributions". "done" is a later germanic word while "make" is earlier latin.

try again, professor brainiac.

>Talking about orthodox marxists who are literally dead
Dude could you at least post a marxist / conservative from this century?
Point me a single relevant armed marxist group in the world... Are the central america guerrillas (which are about to surreder or go "democratic") a threat to capitalism? lol.

wait, maybe i did that wrong. i'm drunk. lemme check. i'm all into killing colloquial english assholes tonight and using etymology...

yeah. that was totally backwards. "done" is latin, and "make" is dogshit german english.

I'm not the same guy

watch /hasanabi on twitch

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oh no my house is on fire
vQECct

Everyone who identifies as a marxist / leftist nowadays is pro gun control you can't deny that.

That's fine, didn't think so. But my question still stands. Lord forbid I provide the facts. And some jerk starts to chimp out.

Irony of this is I'm not some Conservative Republican Ben Shapiro facts don't care about your feelings nerd. Just someone who is able to accept data.

I can tho.

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Who's a pro gun marxist? Kim "I'm just pretending to be treat so I can earn a lot of money I don't really care about any ideology" Yong-un?

I've looked at those pages. They all get angry and attack him personally. I still don't know what he or they are saying, so it's just one's word versus the other. It seems like no one can calmly explain what he says and point out where the error lies.
I feel like I'll have to study a lot of actual deep mathematics to understand it all and form an opinion.

Thomas Sankara ruled within the last 40 years, for starters.

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Who? haha literally your club house gang. They'll surely end capitalism buddy.

The Black Panthers still exist.

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>relevant

Or how about the coolest Nebraskan in history?

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Where? on facebook?

Liberals aren't leftists. Bernie Sanders is a socdem and the rest of us are embarrassed by his cave on gun rights after he ran for President. What part of "under no pretext" in Marx's writings didn't he get?

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sciencedirect.com/journal/intelligence

That's a peer reviewed Journal about intelligence.

>I feel like I'll have to study a lot of actual deep mathematics to understand it all and form an opinion.
That's the reason I'm a dual major: mathematics and psychology

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Totally from this century! It basically became BLM an SJW group

Me

Yeah where are the marxist then? Death? Well Probably.

He surely is a big treat to capitalism! A way smaller underdeveloped USSR!

Redneck Revolt has shut down their share of Nazi shit already, but you keep telling yourself that...

Besides, it won't be a revolution. If history's anything to go by, some barely-socialist like Bernie will be elected President, the liberals and Nazis will lose their shit and try a counter-revolution, and just like last time we'll wreck the new Confederacy, radicalize the country in the process, and install a new relationship to the means of production at the end of it all.

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You'll soon make a revolution on your backyard. :)

Just because you're a racist doesn't mean that the control of Africa isn't relevant. Marxism-Leninism is plenty armed and plenty relevant on that continent, and good luck getting your cellphone components after we take it over. They used to say the exact same shit about China.

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literally who? I can't even reverse search them lol. a couple of faggot playing with guns are a treat to capitalism.

I'm for Evolution before Revolution. Revolutions are nasty and usually followed by a dictator.

Ever hear of WIC? It exists because a conservative Republican passed it. Nixon did that because the Black Panthers organized food drives, but apparently bootstraps aren't cool when commies are doing it, so he gave the game away and expanded welfare to keep blacks dependent on American imperialism.

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OK send me a message when they take Africa pal because I'm sure their leader will end up sucking USA's balls for personal profit like it always happens.

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Right here, stealing converts away from the anime Nazis.

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I liked the debate between Slavoj Zizek and Jordan Peterson.
youtube.com/watch?v=43vRoD8GnIY

If Best Korea isn't a threat, why is Trump kissing Kim's ass as if they were? Hmm, curious.

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>Nixon
If the first thing that I get when searching black panthers is a poster of a Disney movie I won't consider your little shitty group to be any relevant kiddo

Socdems are nasty and smell bad, get better ideology

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Not that nigger, yeah it's amazing what whites will do once the blacks start doing something.

>the concept of cultural impact of different cognitive metrics is a fairly robust studied science in Psychology
>You do know it's accepted in the field of psychology the average IQ of whites in America is 100 with a standard deviation of 15
>the average for minorities is 85
>also with a standard deviation of 15
>The is much still on the gene environment interaction
>cultural impact of different cognitive metrics is a fairly robust studied science in Psychology
>iq tendencies have been verified many times over because it caused so much controversy

>gene environment interaction being mentioned out of left field unprompted and unasked for
Something about inferring genetic superiority, rather than plain disposition, from raw data- even if the data is suspect. You're telling me a lot about how many things are good in Psychology, and how many things are absolute in Psychology, and how this and that are definitely things in Psychology and this thing that I cast doubt on is actually the greatest thing since sliced bread, and all the cool kids think it's alright. Possibly forgetting that you weren't the gatekeeper of Psychology.

And you're still trying to slide the conversation away from the original objection, because now you're asking for a detailed assessment of whatever it is you're laying down in bad faith. You either acknowledge that there were faults in what was said, regardless of whether you said it or not, address the perceived faults and re-explain the position, or don't, and continue to try to have a new conversation. You're on your own with that last option.

Oh yeah defenitly, I'm triggered because you pointed such a relevant group that's a treat to the american way. I'm sure the US will be comunist soon!!!11

Talk to Xi about that one, it's already habbedig

Wut?

Fun fact: the data could very well say that White Americans score an average of 100 on an IQ test, with the standard deviation being 15 points of IQ. The data would also then only say that White Americans score an average of 100 on an IQ test, with the standard deviation being 15 points of IQ. It would say nothing about the alleged robustness of cognitive metrics highlighting disparities between "cultural demographics" in the way of "Asian versus White versus Black because controversy- also gene-environment interaction", where "White" is "Whites in America" is moreso a racial classification than a cultural one, a la the random mention of genes with respect to classifications like "White" or "Asian" or "Black" alongside "Americans".

That extrapolation needs to be done by someone. And the data does not also then ensure that the collection and selection of itself was robust enough to not be woefully biased for any one reason. It never does. That's not its job either.

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Look I sleep bad becasue I don't have hot water at my house ok. No lie. Only cold water. The jews cut my shit off.

>Something about inferring genetic superiority, rather than plain disposition, from raw data- even if the data is suspect.

You could not be anymore wrong nigger.

Keep telling yourself that. That fatass Kim is creating a big account on switzerland to appear like a menace so the media just focus on him. The world will keep being capitalist. No worries here.

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>Posting irrelevant people

Then gene-environment relationships goes out the window without question... but none of my objections follow it. Because my objections weren't to whatever I thought you were selling, than the things you explicitly typed.

You're either a socdem posing as the fash, or the fash posing as a socdem. Either way you're petty bourgeois trash and the greed inherent to your sellout class makes you dumb as rocks.

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This is current communism. Memes. Trully the end of history.

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keep changing the world with memes and quotes kiddo

pic related: you

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What even is a DPRK? lol

...

Keep disregarding the theory of the mass line, and pushing your dumb ideology through walls of text. That's totally gonna win the masses over to your goofy utopian belief system. Go get that Fourth Reich, kiddo.

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I will clearly say it. I reject any idea, that any "race" or "culture" is Superior. That is fucking retarted.

But I do think some segments of society are overwhelmingly disadvantaged because of their social economic status and historically have been oppressed cuz of various historical events in American history.

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burning out soon?

The first clearly. You commies always hate us socdems. I don't know why. We have how much in common. Come on comrade. Togeather we can win.

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Who wants to win the masses or anything like that you dumb kid the world is just like it is I don't need to move a finger to keep it that way. All ideologies already lost. The tik tok generation is just playing with memes just like you. It's quite funny that there are delusional people who thinks that anything will change... with images.

Why should people read stuff made by completely irrelevant people? I'd rather read a Belle Delphine book.

Revolution?

>implying you can read.

You're reformists. That means you're sworn to defend the capitalist system against its enemies when the chips are down. You do this because you and your ideology are petty bourgeois in nature.

If you're really my comrade, you will overthrow capitalism, not tinker with it from the inside and get co-opted by capitalist welfare programs and a new labor aristocracy.

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1920x1080, why?

Well yeah I can't read and I make 200k a year. Thank you capitalism! :)

when?

If you're content with the status quo, I don't see why you would want to win the masses to your side. That's why you liberals are destined to failure, and why the world you created is currently crumbling around you. You are weak and you will not survive the coming dispensation. We are today doing the hard work you eschew in order to win tomorrow. You can deride it, but one day you will salute us or starve.

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Ok comrade, revolution it is. You are correct.

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how many images do you have? you clearly waste your entire life posting "political" memes on facebook or some shit. I really hope you'll see a socialist country in your lifetime. lol

Apparently we have to wait for the system to completely fail first....

You're either a liar, or you're so complicit you'll be up against a wall one day. Either way you're a useless liberal with useless liberal opinions. No wonder even Nazis are stylin' on you.

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>A world that literally allows you to have a great lifestyle while wasting time on Yea Forums posting memes.
Keep changing the world with memes pal

I'm literally wasting my time here watching porn and I make a decent leaving I'm quite sure you do as well. No one would revolt under this conditions. Everything is just so easy in this day and age. You can keep deluding yourself but nothing'll change m8

Based

I fucking hate when the bourgeois say bu-bu-bu-but communism killed sooo many and what about the gulags... brainwashed scum.

>Steel man
Yeah, watch his debate with William Lane Craig, totally not a train wreck where he can’t stay on topic

Cool. You can start getting learnt on theory here:

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1906/12/x01.htm

It's kinda dense reading, but if you're serious about it you'll get through it within a month or two. Then you'll understand the basic task ahead of us, and the theory underlying our movement. You can help lead our efforts here. We need to direct our recruiting efforts here, on Yea Forums, where the Nazis are recruiting. Tell your friends. Keep shitposting commie memes. Make converts here. It seems stupid, but remember for every poster there's like ten lurkers. Every shitpost counts. If it didn't, the Nazis wouldn't troll in force.

I'm writing a bigger manual on how to apply Marxism-Leninism in our current material circumstances, by the time you work your way through those four works I might even be done with it.

In any case, welcome to the fight, comrade.

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Not that nigger, complacency kills. Stay complacent user.

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... why state the obvious, for any other reason, then? Standard deviations are standard deviations. Data is data.

Cool.

Why, however, again, must we state that White Americans score such and such, and then ask that the data be disproven, and
>then
take a roundabout way to eventually throw out a whole lot of things, just to say, "genetic superiority is retarded" and make the previous standard deviation statement practically anomalous? For what reason was it stated that x demographic scores y value on z test with b margin of error? For fun?

I don't understand. This all started with an objection to the idea that outrageous theories are true because they're outrageous and tons of people thing they're outrageous or controversial. A genuine statement that controversy does not make true a study, answered with the fact that it's widely accepted that the average IQ of White Americans is such and such, then gene-environment relationships, and rhetorical questions slathered with appeals to authority, and incredulous rhetorical questions regarding something that requires a figurative meat of information to connect the dots, meat not readily available in the bread of the data itself.

It's all just so obtuse, the only "easy" explanation is that it was advocating for the idea that whitey is inherently smarter because whitey is whitey and whitey is superior because whitey. There has been exactly 0 attempts at acknowledging the very pertinent objection, the straightforwards one: controversy does not justify any conclusion, especially not conclusions following IQ and those infamous IQ studies.

Controversy is not a great metric for truthhood. That's it.

Notice how unrelated that one statement, and the assumed recounting all is. Notice all of the convoluted garbled screed you have to sow together just to have some kind of viable explanation for any of this. Did any of it have to happen?

Impressive, very nice.

>how many images do you have?
As many as it takes to win.

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the barn animals are well fed thanks for asking
vQECct

Keep enjoying the comfort of capitalism pal. Marxism is very functional to its existence. Everyone is doing their part.

Don't sit around and wait for a spontaneous uprising. Organize the forces of socialism while the capitalist system breaks down.

How are your neighbors? Are any of them going hungry? Organize a community garden and through your material aid, win them over to Marxism-Leninism. Are they being threatened by Nazis? Organize an antifascist community defense militia. Find out what the workers need, and organize its delivery to win them over. The worse capitalism gets, the easier this task is, because the greater the needs will be and the easier it will be to meet them.

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Word, I'm former military and in college now. Took a microeconomics course last semester and that really sold me on the inherent flaws of the system.

I have the Communist Manifesto and also Capital volume 1, along with a Marx Anthology reader. Guess I'll read it this summer.

Find Marx's theory about profit being unpaid wages to the worker very compelling.

I follow zero books as well

Thank you! It's nice to get some... appreciation around here!

You're ignorant about the reality for most people in this country. Nobody but people like you have had a raise since the Soviet Union fell. We aren't going to get one, one way or the other, until we rebuild communist power in the West.

Your complacency will be your downfall. Bourgeois decadence may have finally reached a point of no return, the way you're acting. Go down to the inner cities, go down to the countryside, and see the reality of America. America's not great. It really never was.

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>The worse capitalism gets
>workers have paid vacations
That's the exact moment you all lost.

My comrade

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Yeah life conditions surely are worst than the days of Marx and Lenin.

My nonexistent God it'll be fun wiping the smirk off the face of every liberal sent to build roads in Alaska.

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I will enjoy capitalism more once it's a memory

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o7 well done

posting is praxis

You'll first need to give me social welfare and paid vacations. You know, that's what dialectic says, work conditions will only improve.

Never then.

For you maybe not, did you read what he said. Go to the inner city hell even go to the forgotten man lives and see how they are doing.

Trump is a neo-fascist, fascism is a reaction to the failure of capitalism. Do you not understand what is going on here?

His most disadvantaged voters are not going to vote for him again in 2020 becasue he did not deliver for them. We will. We will take care of them unlike their neoliberal shitlords.

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Hell yeah, we need people like you. Be careful about it, but talk to your fellow vets, especially enlisteds. We'll need your military expertise, and those of any of your fellows you can persuade. You're in an important place. The Bolshevik Revolution would've failed if the military didn't change sides to back Lenin at the last moment. The Vietnam War would've dragged on longer if the GIs didn't start radicalizing and helping the Viet Cong (not that you'll hear much about that in the mainstream media, naturally). Especially if you know anyone who's had to do gruesome things for the flag, it'll be easier to explain to them just how wicked our government really is.

Since you're ex-military, you should check out Mao's and Che's manuals on guerrilla warfare. Mao's a better (military) thinker than Che, but Che fought in material conditions closer to modern-day America's than Mao did, and his ideas are therefore more directly relevant. Just beware of Mao's political ideas, he's half-liberal himself and Stalin was wary of him on that basis.

Last thing I can mention - save every commie meme you find so you can repost it here. A picture really is worth a thousand words. I can spend five minutes writing a post like this, or five seconds dropping an infographic or a meme that'll get more interest from lurkers. Time is a resource, use yours accordingly. Godspeed, comrade.

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You write a lot but say nouthin.

hey comrade take this

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Should be saved for future pasta.

>debunked
There are three vectors of disagreement which could be taken with tbc:
>1
The data collection and mathematical analysis thereof
>2
The ability for IQ tests to measure IQ/ IQ as a means of operationalizing G/ the validity of G itself
>3
The validity of the cohort categories being prepared
>also
There is a 4th vector for disagreement wrt an argument HerMur didn't make, but >10^5 people think they did: the heritability of cognitive and/or behavioral traits

No empire lasts forever, not even capital's.

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20 working hours : No revolution
16 working hours : No revolution
8 working hours : No revolution
6 working hours, paid vacations : Revolution???

i don't get paid vacation. either i work or get fired.

When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.

It really is. We have a unique opportunity to influence potentially millions of anons, and we would be loathe to waste it. Eventually I'd like to organize regular threads in /pol/ and disrupt the heart of the fashy beast, but right now it's enough to stop their recruiting on Yea Forums.

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U have a shitty lawyer

I'll give you the gulag or I'll give you the wall, you exercise that famed capitalist f r e e d o m o f c h o i c e from there.

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imagine not understanding at-will employment laws

The point is that unions and sindicates improving working conditions made a revolution something impossible. Honestly with rainsing middle classes marxism just seems like a joke.

>*prepared
compared, viz. 'race'
When you say TBC has been 'debunked', it's like saying Plomin or Pinker's books have been debunked. By whom? In what ways?

A gulag? Just like that collapsed country? If we are talking of ancient failed states why don't you make me a Roman gladiator or something

You have a shitty awareness of the working conditions of the bulk of America.

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Wilco. I come from a highly specialized infantry unit and know who my fellow defectors are. Surprisingly many see things for what they are.

Gonna start doing some organizing in my area. In the southeast of the United States.

Word on the memes. The reason I came back on Yea Forums is for the reason to capture the narrative.

If we do not falter now, we might be able to change our history.

You mean the same unions and syndicates that sold out to the system when the boomers were young? The ones that went from representing a fourth of the country to less than a tenth? The ones that the Republicans gutted with "right-to-work" laws and the Democrats abandoned?

Yup, they'll totally mitigate the burning hatred of the proles, you upper class professionals are safe.

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>Imagine having a shitty lawyer.
I was caught stealing in my last job, I continued working for 3 moths, then they paid me a good settlement and let me leave.

This is a good plan.

You act like the same material forces that created the Soviet Union aren't at work today. Granted, if you're the same user that's shoving his liberal ignorance all over the rest of the thread, said ignorance would explain this viewpoint. I wish I could watch your face when it finally dawns on you how wrong you are.

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Actually read Marx. The contradictions and crises of Capitalism need to be exacerbated, as should Capitalism's pervasiveness in breadth and depth for the class antagonism to fully be exposed and resolved for classical Marxism to even have a foot in the door in the West. You'd have better luck throwing it in with M3W[-adjacent] praxis. Better yet, fully accept HBD and its implications.

>You mean the same unions and syndicates that sold out to the system when the boomers were young
Exactly. Sold out or not the working conditions are way better than before. Just as life conditions, man you got intenet in your shitty communist bunker a.k.a mom's basement

Fuck

Good man. I've got several ex-military comrades like you. Hard to fall for the bullshit when you've been the point man for empire. And you see for yourself just how goofy and misled the liberals are. No bougie's gonna see this coming, even if we go out of our way to tell them about it.

This thread is now a commie image dump. Dump your commie images. When it maxes out I'll start a new one.

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Oh yeah, just like in those days people don't have internet acess or cheap entertainment or welfare and people are dying from poleo.

Why didn't we nuke ourselves in 1985.

Yeah a world where people earn money by playing videogames is surely the same as Russia 1917

Ok, read some Trotsky and apologies on fascism so have a fairly solid understanding of the general characteristics of the ideology aside from, durp Nazis where socialist hurr.

Because Pepsi ended the USSR

I am not a liberal, but you must understand how robust, multilayered, and even antifragile the liberal system is to protect it from radical interference, be it from Marxists, Bakuninites, the Dissident Right, or Third Position. The managerial class may be stupid and capricious, but not myopic about doing what's necessary to hold on to power, and work out contingencies to keep the system going.

Accelerationism is an understandable mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. We need to organize the workers. This will take time, and if we waste that time trying to speed up the capitalist cycle on purpose, that's time not spent organizing workers, who will see us making their lives worse on purpose, and rightfully feel betrayed.

Capitalism can ruin itself just fine without our help. Go start a community garden and help shelter the homeless and arm your neighbors. By the time you're done with all that, you and your comrades will be the power in your community. Don't wait for the revolution, don't push on history to make someone else do the work for you, but organize for it today.

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Again I'm not that nigger, bit you've never been to poverty-stricken parts of this country. There are litearly people starving here. Why do you choose to ignore this?

Then why haven't wages risen for the working class since the 70s? Why is a quarter of European youth unemployed? Why are birthrates falling and every millennial cites the cost of raising children as the reason?

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Yeah, that's why we have guns.

The lumpenproletariat. Those aren't "workers". Their existence is unavoidable by any form of social organization.

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Better yet, don't read Trotsky. There's a very good reason Stalin picked on him: Trotsky was petty bourgeois and fell into the same liberal traps that most petty bourgeois people calling themselves socialists (anarchists, socdems, Khrushchevites, Maoists) do, and for the same reason: the intelligentsia he represented didn't really want a break from capitalism or its values, they just wanted to be running the show. Trotsky tried to take over the Soviet Union at the head of a capitalist army from the day he was exiled to the day he died. Not a good look for potential comrades.

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>Wut?

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Also, middle class is growing and the average life-style improving, obviously not for everyone but for most people. Young people are happier than ever with their smartphones and movies and videogames. Those aren't the conditions for a revolution, I don't think it'll ever happen on a post-internet age.

Ironically anime is one of the reasons there will never be a revolution.

You're right, in the main. But you're also forgetting the corrosive effect of money. The generation that earns the money in the first place had to be talented and in touch with reality to complete such a feat, but their children are going to be less so, and their grandkids even less so.

The guy that built Hilton into a hotel empire, you're right, would probably be a formidable bougie to contend with. I'm somewhat less worried about the bourgeois might of Paris Hilton. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess she and her ilk, who are basically mainstream bourgeois liberalism these days, are paper tigers. For fuck's sake, Hillary lost to Trump. If bourgeois liberalism wasn't exhausted, that wouldn't have been possible.

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Yeah he is out of favor regarding services to the cause. But his insights into 1930 Germany are what I was after. I don't read any of his work not related to this.

By "middle class" you mean "workers given petty bourgeois class interests through the extraction of wealth from the Third World."

Well, globalization's breaking down thanks to Trump the Wonder Petty and his toilet-tweeted tariffs. The labor aristocracy's been slowly dismantled since the fall of the Soviet Union, because there's no Red menace to require its presence to fight. Marx's prophecy is coming true: the final victory of communism will happen in the most advanced countries of the West (America and Britain) and it will happen in our lifetimes.

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youtube.com/watch?v=ABCtU6NB_xs

Fair enough. As a historian, he's okay when he's not talking about himself. But seriously, Stalin is a highly underrated theorist. Our enemies call us Stalinists while we call ourselves Marxist-Leninists, but we only call ourselves that because Stalin was humble.

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By middle class I mean people that don't work directly on the production process, I'm using marxist terminology. Are graphic designers, artists, doctors, lawyers, gender studies professors, content creators (...) the working class? All office workers wouldn't even be considered proletariat for fucks sake.

Marxist-Leninists say the "petty bourgeoisie" instead of the "middle class." "Middle class" is a capitalist term meant to disguise the relations to production and reduce all economic relations to the amount of money you make.

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But yes, you're right, all those people you mentioned with the possible exception of doctors in certain material conditions that are not ours, they'd be petty bourgeois. Anyone who does not directly produce any goods or services, but is paid to one way or another reinforce bourgeois supremacy, is petty bourgeois. Also, small business owners are also petty bourgeois since they derive income from capitalist exploitation, but not so much that they can give up working themselves.

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His pamphlet on fascism was what turned me on the to dangers of our current situation. What with the boondoggling going on with the American manufacturing class.

As you said, Trump is overplaying his hand with the tariffs, he may think the smoke of abortions and immigrants might cloud his supporters vision. But once the prices start going up and many petty bourgeoisie lose their businesses. He will then understand how fatal it was.

Surely an obscure anime about... USSR? will turn them into commies, the same way Youjo Senki is turning all of our youth into Nazis!!1 C'mon dude, anime industry is solely based on heavy competition and mass production. Most shows have liberal tendencies on their discourse. It is in essence one of the most important products on an alienating cultural industry, read Furuichi.

So 70% of world population is turning into a petty bourgeoisie, where are the proletariats? I'm quite sure you guys aren't those kind of workers. Maybe proletariats are wasting their time with Yea Forums and watching disney superhero movies.

His miscalculation is our gain. Like I said about accelerationism, I'm glad Trump's president because he's accelerationism made flesh, he's wrecking every last bit of bougie investment made over the last thirty years with these tariffs and his other idiot policies. I'm just glad I didn't vote for him or support him in any way, because now I can reach out to the people in my life and be a credible voice against him.

And hey, if Trotsky brought you into the fold, that's still awesome. I used to be a libertarian, we all come to the truth from some way or another.

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One day you'll have to choose between binge watching an anime and a commie revolt, you'll choose the first one.

I don't care about anime, but I do care about the mass line. When preaching the truth among anime Nazis, use anime to teach.

Besides, not even a Nazi can deny how hard Sabaton rocks.

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My god you are in denial. This is good. Stay there.

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No, 70% of America's population turned petty bourgeois because we fought a cold war to make sure that the rest of the world besides Europe and parts of East Asia kept manufacturing our consumer goods at everyday low prices. The cost of that exploitation is that a huge chunk of the Third World is explicitly Marxist-Leninist. If every ML was organized into a new International, the Third World would easily win every vote because of said exploitation.

But that exploitation is now being done mostly on behalf of the bourgeoisie. The labor aristocracy only emerged in response to the Soviet Union, but that's been going away ever since. It's why nobody's gotten a raise here in real terms since 1991.

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Surely most of the people I know are turning into miners... Ok I'll keep in denial, you call me when we become communists. It is funny that you use images from capitalism greatest gift, the lovely internet.

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Slavoj Zizek believes a Trump presidency is the only way Revolution can happen. He also see him as a net positive.

Do wonder about trying to capture the disenfranchised Trump voter and them not just internalizing more and driving harder to the right. My goal is to really persuade them.

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The internet was created by the state. Try again.

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We should be aiming our efforts at the Trump voters and not the Hillary voters. That's why I'm here and not Facebook. Any former Democrat who was going to turn commie (like yours truly) has already done so since Bernie's run flopped in 2016. All that's left over there are bougies and petty bougies. The Trump voters are misled, and outside of the pettiest bougies they are not evil. The evangelicals, the veterans, these people mean well and can do well with us if they learn the truth. So we must evangelize the evangelicals with the gospel of Marx.

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I know the guy who found a local communist youth organization. He's 82. See you in 70 years maybe then you'll have the last laugh... I doubt it.

>The internet was created by the state. Try again.
It doesn't matter who created it but how it's used, you guys are internet dependets, like those Tik Tok users and facebook meme posters. Completely functional to the system as you are, and that's great.

Agreed, all the HRC supporters I know will never full step in the light. Aside from the Trump supporters, inner city anons are sympathetic to the cause. Worked in New Orleans and many poor inner city blacks see nothing in a Trump or Hillary presidency.

To run with this, my parents are Tea Party-Trump types and I've been winning them over from the dark side of the force.

Honestly, I'm gonna go deeper into it when I drop that book, but there's six basic positions that reflect two separate outlooks of the three basic classes (pic related).

The bourgeoisie are liberals until all hell breaks loose, in which case they become nazbols. But that almost never happens, which is why you don't really see nazbols take power anytime since Genghis Khan. What unites both ideologies is individualism and atomization.

The petty bourgeoisie are socdems/anarchists/Trotskyists until shit hits the fan, in which case they're fascists. What unites both is self-interest.

Proletarians are communists when they learn the truth, but usually their minds are held captive by false consciousness, which keeps them in some kind of conservative ideology. What unites communists and conservatives is the organic principle, which they call tradition and we call the dialectic. The organic principle is what you use to lead your life when you have no choice but to make good decisions, when a single screwup is life or death. Proles are too desperate to be misled by utopian nonsense, unlike the other two classes. This is why we must direct our efforts at the conservatives - that's where the proles are.

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>That's why I pirate and steal everything. It matters who produced it. It only matters how it gets used.

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Kek

Screenshot this gold nugget

Yeah, the only two exceptions to this "conservatives are proles, liberals are bougies" rule in America are as follows:

-Modern conservatives have made a habit of dogwhistling to fascists, who strive to opportunistically present themselves as either liberals or conservatives, depending on the situation, but in these material conditions they present as conservatives while hiding behind liberal free speech
-Because of said racist dogwhistles, working-class blacks and Latinos and Natives typically vote Democrat. But they are often a sort of conservative in the non-movement sense; black Democrats are usually churchgoers and are usually electorally organized by conservative-style apparatuses like churches, just for the blue team instead of for the red. They're the only Democrats we really need to talk to still.

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Even piracy has the function of keeping people content as you certainly are. Imagine a world without piracy... riots everywhere! I'm glad you commies are so stupid that you can't realize it. Keep hurting minor film producers and helping Disney with piracy. I certainly do the same :)

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Nice argument :)

Save your energy for the camps.

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The internet is a recruiting tool, nothing more, nothing less. The convo we're having, that probably hundreds of people have read by now, is making a dent. Every day I post here, every day I see more commie shit I didn't post than I did the day before. The irony of it all is that I'm literally building a personal army on Yea Forums.

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Nice argument :)

Maybe try to debunk my point? Oh yeah, you can't.

Bump limit reached. Finally this abomination of a thread can die.

I remember the same argument from Mormons :)

Agreed. That's been my experience.

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Thread's about to autosage, so I started a new one:

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>42 posters

>posters

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>people who don't post surely read whole treads.