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I'm a diehard communist and here to convert you. The means of production should be used according to a agreed upon plan to provide for the whole of society, not for profit. Give me your best/worst!
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Do you believe Stalin/Mao did anything wrong? If not, why? If yes, how would you prevent communism from becoming an authoritarian state that doesn't care about its people?
Are you Lorenzo Weintraub Vieira Franklin?
Show me an example how this will work out in the end, so I know where it's going and I'm in!!!
I'm an anarcho-socialist and I don't think that the state should be made to serve socialism, but that we should smash the state and build a decentralised socialism without any leaders.
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shut the fuck up faggot.
oh yeah, that'll work out great
Yes, I think Stalin and Mao did something wrong. They were not into Revolution in order to organize society more conveniently, but in order to serve a historic mission for the proletariat. If you're interested in their errors, continue to read here: ruthlesscriticism.com
Every complex production needs some coordination in order to work. Also, if there is some thinking involved in producing something, some people will have more experience/be better at doing it than others. Authority in itself is not something bad, only the means for what it is used may be critical! So I'm not an anarchist, although I get where you come from, since authority in capitalist is almost always equal to being ripped off.
You're on my "Never to the wall" list ;)
What do you think will happen first, the World Revolution or the collapse of civilisation due to ecological disruption?
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Why is communism better than having a benevolent dictator? Communism has too many hands involved in making decisions with people who aren't qualified to be making such decisions. With a truly benevolent dictator, I feel that the needs of the people are much better served in a more reliable, secure way.
not OP but am marxist-leninist and am pretty certain that unless revolutionary action is taken in the very near future, we will run out of time before civilization starts to collapse
I don't believe in benevolent dictators.
I think the latter, but I hope and work for the first :)
>I'm a diehard communist
How did you acquire a computer given you'd be at about 1930 technology level left to your communist ways?
>>>pol is that way ->
They had computers in Eastern Europe in the 1980s, you know. 5-10 years behind the West, and hard to get, but they existed.
I feel like they're equally as likely as a truly communist society that is actually functional and isn't just fascism in disguise.
Well, if a benevolent dictator got his way and organized society in such a way as I saw fit, namely that society organizes itself according to what is needed, then the benevolent dictator is not needed anymore. Who needs some figurehead if production is organizing itself? What benefit does someone who gives orders from above provide if you know what to do?
he keeps things working that way. If we are left to our own devices we will fuck it all up.
all Communists deserve the rope.
their are only two kinds of Communists (in the West)
Jewish dictators and their slaves.
why should we?
i'm pretty arian, my grandparents where in the nazi party.
it's what we do. It would be nice if the mob was educated and knew what is best for themselves, but they don't. They need a firm hand to guide them to success.
I agree with you in that most people are pretty stupid and believe stupid shit. But the whole point of communism is that it is only possible if people recognize their self interest and act accordingly, organizing the work they do all day to fit their needs. So a dictator guiding them is pretty much the opposite of that :)
Why do you believe in a system which literally failed?
Hm, what does literally failed mean? Reagan asked the question which kind of society could dedicate a bigger share of it's time to the production of weapons, and the results were clear: The capitalist society could do it, because in it prols where not asked what was done with their time. If that is what failure means, then failures my game :)
The system which can produce the most weapons always wins.
True that. A good reason to constitute another system!
You could explain me communism because I know the basics but nothing else.
Unless your new system can produce lots of weapons, it will be destroyed by a system that can.
Well, unless you ask specific questions I can give nothing but the basics. Basically communism is the people who do the work deciding what the work is for. In capitalism people with money buy your labour and decide what to do with it, in communism you decide with all the other workers what your work is for.
Well, and what about the case of a system where all the workers decide that producing weapons is not in their interest? Maybe then another necessity like for example producing consumer goods is more important than producing scud missiles? :D
Ah I see, gassing 6 million jews wasn't enough so you want another 100mil dead
How will you deal with a diversity of opinions on what values and production best serve the whole of society?
With differences in thought and opinion on what constitutes the best for society, which thoughts and ideologies will be discounted, ignored, or suppressed? How should these differences be dealt with?
(elimination?indoctrination?ignored?punished?)
If the workers decide they don't want to produce weapons, they will lose the war when the enemy attacks.
What differing opinions?
What do you think about the intervention of the USSR in the Spanish Civil War?
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This is pretty cringe.
Friendly reminder that communism doesn't work, has never worked, and will never work.
"But true communism has never been tried!"
That's because it can't. Humans are greedy, power-hungry cunts no matter who they are.
Stop being fucking retarded and indulge in the only thing that even gives you the REMOTEST fucking chance of joining the 1%--capitalism.
In a capitalist system using a form of monetary exchange, people decide what work needs to be done through the exchange of money. Through the collective will of the people they exchange money to determine production that best serves the people. In an ideal capitalistic society this is done independently of any central authority, state, or individual. Individuals and corporations that resist the collective will do not receive capital which over time is redistributed back into the economy as said business, individual, or state begins to fail.
Those who are best able to produce what the people want receive the collective support of the people through the acquisition of capital.
i'm off for tonight, hope you do well!
well, capitalism gives me only one chance: working my ass off so someone else gets rich. that's why i'm trying to get other people on board so we can do something more useful
I don't want to join the 1%, I just don't want to be ruled by them.
Bernie, take your meds and go to bed. It'll all be better tomorrow.
if i buy some product, i'm not deciding that all the work that got into it was necessary. I just decide that i want the thing they are selling. so it is not true that my decision to consume something is deciding that the work going into it is needed to be done. in order to make a statement like that, there would have to be some kind of negotiating process about the nature of the work that is done in a society, which is not there in capitalism. therefore your argument is invalid!
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Here is a short list as it deals with spiritual, religious, and moral thought:
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These are some of the basic differences people have in paradigms.
that's because you're retarded.
it's practically free to start your own business to sell a product or service but you're a dumbfuck with neither a product nor a service to sell who'd rather collapse the entire system than be useful
this is the argument of a loser. no where else are people as free to live doing what they love. stop being a faggot.
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Fascist here. Do you think we can live in peace?
Read this gem of a post and educate yourself.
Communism requires fascism because nobody wants it.
It's fucking trash.
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If you believe in the from those according to their ability to those according to their need bullshit explain to me why i should work my ass off my entire life with no hope for promotion, power or other reward so i can drag an entire network of useless garbage that would be better off dead
To deny that labor is necessary for some product that you wish to purchase, is to deny cause and effect.
There is a negotiating process about the nature of work done in society.
The value of capital comes not from some inherent value that an object holds but the labor that capital requires for production.
Even if a capitalist system is not 100% efficient, in such a system people who generally act rationally will purchase the highest quality goods that are at the lowest cost. Such an enterprise will by extension become the means of providing capital to those that voluntarily seek employment in proportion to the value that society has placed on a specific production.
The exchange of capital is the exchange of labor. Labor is valued where there is greatest incentives (profit) for the allocation of scare resources. In a truly free market the monopoly of labor (Unions) balances the monopoly of business (mega-corporations). These types of balances naturally develop through the various forms of markets.