Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in history. Not once

Obama's legacy was moving all of those markers more than twice as far as your beloved Fuhrer.

When will you Americans understand what socialism is

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Wrong. America is prosperous

I’ve been to plenty of places. In my experience the only countries that work better with than the US are the ones the US rebuilt after WW2. I don’t get to why people likes to shit the US. Don’t like it? Stay where you are/go somewhere else (and good luck with that, btw).

Die commie faggot cuck

Reminder: Americans get off on being ignorant and superstitious, as evinced by the very existence of Yea Forums and /pol/

How about we just kill you circumcised neoliberal jews who think your larp is real, and eliminate the problem here?

youtube.com/watch?v=MLg83QMmlGs

Hahaha, go for it, bro. Chances are you’ve never killed anything in your life. Also b is full of people from all over

>socialism has never succeeded in any country in history

Not if you magically define "socialism" to mean "communism".

Eurofag here, living in a democratic socialist country, one of earth's highest standards of living. We have rights and legal protections you can only dream of.

This has been discussed and resolved. It is no longer up for debate.

This is how bongs and other aristocrats try to shut down arguments

America at its strongest was a mixed market economy

>Reminder: communism has succeeded in a handful of countries throughout history.

Let's be clear here, Trumptard: Socialism = / = communism. We all know what you really hate is Communism, but a lot of people (likely including you) don't know is that what you really FEAR is Socialism. Because you know it works*, and it somehow violates the precious tenets of capitalism you cling to because muh capitalizm.

But you Reich-wing nutjobs aren't capable of critical thought, we all know that. Since you can't actually argue against Socialism with anything legitimate, the only tactic you have left that might generate some sympathy for your cause is to equate Socialism with Communism.

It's true, the country that created Communism no longer exists in that form (it's been replaced by a fascist oligarchy, something we ourselves are headed towards). But China is a communist country & we fear the fuck out of them. Cuba is also communist, but they're small so fuck them, right?

*Most mainland countries in Europe are Socialist in nature. Iceland, France, Germany, Austria & Switzerland, just to name a few. All of those countries have good economies & a few of them are major players on the global stage. Surely their Socialism had something to do with that...

One last thing: presumably you Fascists out there who hate AOC & her message support the military, right? Guess what: the military's health care system IS SOCIALIST.

Here's a vid for ya. It's a little outdated, but just change "Tea Partiers" with "Low IQ Trump Voters" & you'll hardly notice a difference
youtube.com/watch?v=XqGem6Q-d30

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thats because its immediately been under siege by every empire in the world whenever its been tried.

You in 1820

>Everytime liberalism has been tried it has failed. look at the french revolution, napoleon was a tyrant who enslaved europe with his doctrine of "equality and fraternity".
>Look at Haiti, or think about cromwellian england. clearly proof that feudalism is the endpoint of history

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>What was Obama's legacy again?

Let's see if you can answer your own question by answering mine:

What were some of Obama's policy initiatives that Mitch "Turtleface" McConnell & the GOP in Congress did their very damndest to obstruct, stonewall or just plain block?

If you answered that truthfully, I bet you'd see some overlap.

Reminder: This board is for 18+ adults.

Yup.

Thank you for proving my earlier point: Socialism = / = Communism.

Not true.
It's succeeded for a select few.

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*jealous*

Then again, unlike the vast majority of my fellow American idiots, I've actually BEEN to Europe.

Please don't let the stupidity, ignorance & hubris of my nationalistic brethren poison your opinion of the rest of us. Some of us actually are aware that there are other ideas out there, and that ours aren't always the best & brightest.

BTW, this is me

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Ben Garrison. What a waste of really good artistic talent...

neither has capitalism

look at the shithole its turned the world into

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Good job NPC

ITT:I don't know the difference between socialism and communism.

lol can you even name a single policy that Trump made that benefited the economy?

32 different countries have a single payer healthcare system

>Iceland
>Greenland
>Norway
>Denmark
>Sweden
>Finland
>Canada
lol

Police force in the us. Socialism. Firefighters. Socialism. Public transportation. Socialism. Public libraries. Socialism. Every branch of the US military. Socialism. Roads & highways Socialism... the list keeps going if you like you uneducated feeb.

as a socialist this is the dumbest interpretation of socialism... do you think the roman empire was socialist? wtf did they teach you at school, son?

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Die Communist Scum.

Found the Liberal Democrat who thinks everything is Socialism.

Free market Capitalists in the US teach that any form of taxation or it's implementation is a form of socialism.
No, I'm not kidding. People underestimate just how mindfucked the US was by cold war propaganda.

I'm a capitalist and that's not what I believe. Sorry to ruin your straw man. Try again.

You are wrong.

the person you are responding to was responding to someone who literally believed that. You idiot. You fucking moron.

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>What was Obama's legacy again?

...it was everything that you just attributed to trump. Except for the last 3 things which are actually retarded. Dumb ass. Rofl

Socialism has succeeded for nations, just none with large populations.

Literally none of the countries you listed are socialist. Some socialist policies, sure, but the countries as a whole rely more om capitalism as a whole.
So fuck off

The greedy rich, in their addiction to wealth, become even more greedy. Increasing the costs of necessities, like healthcare, education, energy, food, and a place to live.
Naturally people form collectives to afford such necessities; like energy cooperatives, food co-ops, credit unions, etc. In order to obtain these needs.
This is the formulation of communism, collective bargaining and sharing. How many of these co-ops exist near you OP?
According to Marx, communism is a stage on the way to full socialism, which is the state takeover of all resources.
If the greedy rich continue their addictive ways, what do the poor and more poor have to do?
History user, the American Revolution, the French Revolution, and Soviet Revolution. Good bye greed, hello new order.

Reminder: OP is always fag.

Lol
Fuck you, you Randian cocksuckers. Like I don't have to sit here in rural NC and listen to these dumb fuck 'Capitalists' shill cutting taxes and de-funding public works because "communism doesn't work." Like anybody with a GED actually knows the difference between communism, socialism and capitalism.
You want to talk about the fact that America hasn't been a free market capitalism since the 1920's? You want to talk about how the staunch free market capitalist George W. Bush used socialism to prevent the great recession from becoming the great depression II: real estate boogaloo? You want to talk about pharmaceutical monopolies, the government enforced ban on Labour strikes or the way wage stagnation just so happened to coincide with Reagan breaking the AFTCU? "Get fucked commie" every time.
This dystopia is the future capitalists chose and I hear this retarded shit regurgitated every day.

Then how come Trump has passed so many of his policies with the entire left wing in Congress and citizens against him, blocking and resisting while having an investigation pinned on him for 2 years?
Your excuses dont fit snowflake.

>Yea Forums and /pol
>Americans
Why are you here then 3rd worlder.

What country?

>Then how come Trump has passed so many of his policies with the entire left wing in Congress and citizens against him, blocking and resisting while having an investigation pinned on him for 2 years?
Trump had a Republican majority in both the house and Senate, something obama never did. The majority of Trump's actual policy work has been repealing Obama policies enacted by presidential mandate and without congressional approval, which is something everybody knew the first Republican President would do regardless. If you look at what trump has done with the amount of support he's had then it's surprisingly little.

It has here, in part. We are a blend of capitalism and socialism. Get over it!

dailykos.com/stories/2012/3/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America

Public schools, public roads, police and fire departments, social security, Medicare, SNAP, section 8 housing, on and on....
US is already a quasi socialist country, as are a lot of industrialized countries. You are fucking retarded.

american socialism is something completely different from european socialism. they cannot be compared. /thread

reminder we are now living in Earth's Sixth Mass Extinction event, brought to you by capitalism. Capitalism is the biggest failure of man, a force as destructive as a fucking massive asteroid from space.

Cuba

>Corporations are prosperous
>US has a massive debt

>having police, firefighters, and roads is socialism

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i said /thread

Is a shithole

>America is prosperous

But not because Americans are smart and hard-working, and certainly not because of a superior political system.

America is prosperous only because it had natural resources to exploit- and those are running out now.

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those are not socialist countries.

>socialism doesn’t work
>Scandinavian countries
>that’s not socialism
>ok cool that’s all we want any way
>but that’s socialism!

Reminder: no one is asking for full-on socialism, just the same basic shit that works in Europe and other developed areas.

Socialism is a redistribution of wealth. You can find this in a hundred *social* programs in the US. Everything from schools to medicare to road work to food inspection. If its taxed and used to the benefit of people who might not need it, it's socialism. Sorry to make your nine-year old brain cry MAGA tears, but thats the truth.

V E N E Z U E L A

What do you want your tax rate to be?

Yeah and it’s already bad enough. The last thing we need is higher taxes.

here's Johnny!

Icelandic guy here. You have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, socialists never do.

>Icelandic guy here

I totally believe you!

Poor are getting richer too idiot.

Ég er ekki að ljúga að þér. Ég er íslenskur og við erum ekki með neinn alvöru sósíalisma.

>daily reminder

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to all you retards there
1) venezuela is NOT socialism. They have never nationalize banks, and that's like one of the main "must do" when you are building socialism.
Actually venezuelian ecomonics are not much different from the South korean or UK natiolizing initiatives.
2) the venezuela catastrophy happened due to external not internal conditions. US basically using their political power to destroy their competitor in crude oil market. Now after sanctions US enforces typical colour revolution scenario (like they did in the ukrain, lybia and tried in syria)

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Retarded fear-mongering is here

Every economy in history has been partly socialist and America has been WAAAY more socialist than it is right now.

Keep pissing yourselves, you spineless faggot cowards.

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>be me
>have Socialized healthcare, free college, government checks every month
>have AR-15
>enjoy life

then what are they?

You're a stupid little boot-licking BITCH

Republicans have been cutting taxes on millionaires and corporations for decades, WE HAVE TO TAX THEM LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE.

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So you're saying Corporate tax rates don't adversely affect the economy? Lol pinko commie faggot.

Who’s a coward? I’m not going to the gulag without killing a few commies first.

You stupid fucking FAGGOT, you don't have a right to transportation or product standards either but the GOVERNMENT PROVIDES IT TO MAKE SOCIETY MORE EFFICIENT.

Our current model of allowing insurance companies to purchase politicians and deny payouts is CRIPPLING our economy. We pay more than anyone on the planet for a healthcare system that is worse than some 3rd world countries.

LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS YOU FUCKING FUNDIE

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Fucking retarded as fuck. I hope you forget how to breathe.

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Fuck that. I don’t hate millionaires, which is what liberals are about. Hate, it doesn’t have anything to do with helping the poor.. Get the poor people and niggers to pay their fucking taxes and debt and we won’t have any problems.

>so fucking TERRIFIED he's already planning murderous violence to avoid some absurd hypothetical

You are a fucking coward. Focus on reality instead of your fears.

Traveling freely is a right. Tons of people come here for the best medical care in the world. The best things in the world must be paid for. Poor people aren't supposed to have the best things in the world. That's how it works. Stop being so envious and entitled.

So, you're saying socialism will never work, but it's been here for over a hundred years and kept you from dying. OK..

It’s not worse than anyone. This is a total lie. People come here for health care, we don’t travel to other countries for anything besides plastic surgery.

Don't argue with the tards. Their responses are pre-written

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The gulag is reality in a communist state. The economy only functions on slave labor.

Robust capitalism is the only thing that funds any social programs here. Take the profit margin away and the whole thing dries up.

You obviously don't understand what rights are, you don't understand how the economy works, and you sure as hell don't understand reality.

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>taxing someone their fair share means you hate them

fuck you shill, you will NEVER be a millionaire, no matter how much you slave away on their behalf.

We mus RETURN THE TAXES TO A PRODUCTIVE BALANCE. Asking someone to pay their fair share is not hateful, and millionaires have been stealing and hiding their income for decades.

They're just doing what any greedy asshole would do. YOU and your sniveling retarded sycophant friends are the real problem, STOP PROTECTING THEM WHILE THEY STEP ON YOUR NECK.

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Why would anyone support the most murderous ideology in the history of mankind?

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Do you think Socialism and Communism are the same thing?

The only person sending people to the gulag is Putin, who happens to own Trump.

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>MUH RIGHTS

It's about creating a functional society, not just enforcing rights you stupid fucking retard. Learn some actual fucking civics and drop the libertarian idealistic NONSENSE.

I don't know. Why do people continue to support white supremacy?

This man gets it.

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>traveling freely is the same as transportation

YOURE FUCKING STUPID

I'm talking about interstate regulations, road maintenance and public transportation as well as vehicle safety standards. Get a fucking education already.

Here we are. Here’s the final stage of the ideology. I bet you’re super happy the AG is going after all the rats who lied about Donald for the last three years. They’re already turning on each other in order to cut deals when it all leads back to Obama and Hillary.

At this point being literate and being able to talk to other world leaders on an adult level would be considered legacy enough for me.

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>follows Leninst idedlogy
>believes it's accurate
>calls other people Communists

LMFAO YOU'RE SUCH A DUMB LITTLE BITCH

Socialism has existed for centuries before Lenin was born, you fucking retard.

And you’ll never take their money to hand out to miorities that will still hate you.

No. Marxism is only possible after the industrial revolution.

>it'll lead back to Hillary and Obama, then it'll all be worth it, YOU'LL SEE!!

I don't really give a fuck, I just want these corrupt lying sons of bitches to rot in prison.

Reminder: capitalism has never succeeded in any country in history. Not once.

>It's about creating a functional society
Under big brother, comrade! Human rights are a bourgeois fiction!

I'm not a fan of mass murder, enslavement, gulags, thought police...

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The final goal of Leninism was communism. Its weird that you can't figure out that - by using Socialism to mean 'non-military government spending' for decades, you asswipes actually made it popular.

That's how little Americans think of Trump these days - even his voters support socialist policies if you don't say they're democrat backed. Dumb bitches.

Socialism is not Marxism you fucking retard

You have the right to be a moron. We have the right to organize a better society over the objections of you and the other 35% of American society that was raised in houses with lead-based paint.

So who exactly is supposed to lead this utopia you desire, you fucking lunatic?

White people take more welfare than black people and corporations take TEN TIMES the welfare of actual citizens.

Your racism is just another tool for them to control you, start being objective and stop being HATEFUL.

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>Reasonably progressive taxes and single payer healthcare

>YALL GONNA SHOOT ME IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD, TUCKER and HANNITY WARNED ME BOUT U GUYS

There's over 300,000,000 people in America, we don't need to choose our leaders from a corrupt handful of bought-and-paid for puppets.

Your lack of imagination is fucking tragic.

>So cucked out of the culture that he has to recast it as a radical conspiracy against him.

Just answer the fucking question. Who do you want to be in charge?

Hmmm. Aren't there other countries that have lots of natural resources but their people aren't thriving. You know, like socialist countries that aren't doing to hot. Hmmmm. Big think.

they are capitalist countries with a slightly more emphasis on social welfare.

So let me get this straight, getting to own guns is a right but not dying from treatable diseases is a privilege. This country is fucked in so many ways.

>We have the right to organize a better society over the objections of you
Here it is, the bloodlust of the leftist! Gotta have those mass murders, purges, and gulags, eh? Damned rich, gotta kill 'em all!

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The type of socialism being preached in America today is literally neomarxism. Instead of seizing production they seize profits.

It's funny that you can watch the last 3 years and still come away with the conclusion that Donald Trump has any sort of long-term plan.

It's a small step from giving the government power over your money to power over your life.

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Why does it matter who I support? There are dozens of qualified candidates that aren't connected to Clinton or Republican corruption.

You're clearly trying to shift focus when the point is that our current leadership is unacceptable.

Lies all lies it worked in every country just look at Venezuela

Me

You have the right to see a doctor, you do NOT have a right to force someone else to pay for it.

You’re retarded. A better comparison is- owning guns=picking your own doctor.

Marx and Engels crapped on socialism in the Communist Manifesto and made it very clear that Communism is not socialism nor is it nonviolent. But it's common practice for both Communists and right wingers to obscure the difference, because both of them want to conflate Communism's failures with socialism's relative successes, but for different reasons.
Name any rich country -- if they're not a tiny population with a ton of oil, then they're somewhere in a fairly narrow band of the social democrat / managed capitalism spectrum, yes even the US.

Take your fundie ideologies and shove them up your ass, they're not helpful in reality.

ALL governments have power over their currency, you stupid fucking retard. Instead of lashing out in hysterical fear in every direction, maybe learn the differences between policies.

He waited for the shit to be over. Leftists wouldn’t let it go, and they pissed off the AG, so now it’s time for payback. How’s that for a fucking plan?

No it's not. The only people that even use that word are neo-fascists FOX viewers, stop drowning in your propaganda.

Maybe you should learn history. How did the USSR turn out? Maoist China? North Korea?

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You can’t answer because you don’t know.

This is probably true

It’s literally a centrist coined term to describe Cold War era intellectuals who supported communist countries from their comfy capitalist ifestyles.

socialism = surviving

capitalism = thriving

I haven't decided on a single person I would want to lead our government at this point, do you think that's a bad thing?

Do you already have your mind made up, despite not having access to real information on all the candidates?

>socialism = surviving
I think you mean STARVING

And NOBODY identifies with it, especially nobody remotely close to politics. Meanwhile there are neo-fascists in the Republican Party already.

You have no support for your hysterical claims, cam the fuck down you ideological fundie.

Not in the US, MAGA numbnut.
Tax cuts for the rich, multiple jobs to make ends meet, insurance health care scam system, cost of living increase, wage stagnation, living paycheck to paycheck.
Foxnews shills are 1%ers, go back either to your basement or your office job licker of wealthy buttholes.

Capitalism: monopolies, child labor and poverty wages that you can only spend at the company store

Socialism: creates a middle class by protecting workers' rights and creating an efficient society

Read a fucking book.

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no one can decide who will lead us into the utopia because it'll never fucking happen, but yeah, lets rely on this imaginative pious person to manifest

Why are you so stuck on utopia? Can you only think in extremes?

Since we can't have a perfect world, we may as well let the corrupt greedy assholes do whatever they want? What the fuck are you even trying to say?

Thats why we'll never be a Socialist country. Capitalism prevents it. But we do have social programs, and have for a long time. I don't think our taxes need be any higher, I just think we need to spend them correctly. I have a brand new school in my area, and it could've been done for half the cost, just like the ones down the road in different districts. But this is an expensive area, and the school reflects it. It proves when they have deeper pockets of taxable income, they'll take more. But they could make due with much less.

>Socialism: creates a middle class by protecting workers' rights and creating an efficient society
Do you even know what socialism really is?
PROTIP: It's the workers owning the means of production.

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>Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in history. Not once.

Reminder: China is the world's second-largest economy, and currently is leading America around by the nose.

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ALL GOVERNMENTS have socialism. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Goddamn your fucking stupid.

>Reminder: China is the world's second-largest economy, and currently is leading America around by the nose.
And pray tell, how are they at all communistic anymore?

That's Communism you fucking retard.

Socialism has existed for centuries before Communism was suggested.

Do you even know what socialism is? Socialism isn't "SHIT THE GOVERNMENT DOES", it's the workers owning the means of production. Idiot

I thought we were talking about Socialists?

Funny how you fucking COWARDS switch back and forth when it suits you.

I wonder how many times we can move the goalposts before we get dismissed as a troll thread by the left! Let's find out!

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Wrong again you fucking retard, that's Communism

Socialism is SOCIAL control of the means of production, usually but not always through capitalist organizations.

Scandinavian countries. NHS in England started 1948.

...in AMERICA

1) Veterans Administration
2) all public libraries
3) public schools

I'll tell ya again; what do YOU think "socialism" is? Tell me! What is it, dude? Cuz you claim to know.

Was Adolph Hitler a socialist? Not really but kind of. Bcuz you see, FASCISM is a far-right form of SOCIALISM. They're "socialist" bcuz the STATE (3rd REICH) directed all aspects of gov't. So, you could get away with calling Hitler "a socialist" but that's not even true really.

Karl Marx? Everyone is a "Marxist" nowadays. Who was he, user? Do you know about him? What are some titles of books he wrote?

Vladimir Lenin? Is he only a Russian Karl Marx? Do you even know what country Marx was from?

Is it Leon Trotsky? If so, why did Joseph Stalin want to kill the guy? I thought they were BOTH "socialists".

Eugene Debs? Huey P. Long?

Do u know about any of this at all? I assume you're an expert bcuz you say socialism never works. So you must know quite a lot about "socialism", right?

If you DON'T..then go to your fucking PUBLIC LIBRARY and look up it up for free...THEN come back, tell me what socialism is.

Fuckin smug loser

You're actually COMPLETELY WRONG

As the LAW stands right now, everyone has the right to receive life-saving care at a hospital, even if they can't afford it. When they can't pay, taxpayers foot the bill. That's what's happening RIGHT NOW.

If you want to spend less money paying for other people's healthcare, we need a more efficient system. Preventative care offered by socialized healthcare would DECREASE what taxpayers are already spending on this system.

Look at the numbers and the studies, stop regurgitating empty ideological nonsense.

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Well, aside from the communist vs. socialist blah, blah.
China has economic 'zones' where capitalist market is acceptable, primarily major cities we know the names of.
Otherwise, 70+% of business in China is government owned. Jack Ma, China's wealthiest man is a card carrying communist. Han Chinese are either fined for more than one child or the woman is sterilized. (One the MAGAs will love) China has put tens of millions of Muslim minorities in re-education camps in the north. There is not a free press in China, they have their own internet which is censored and watched. The Emperor of China is not voted in by the population. There is a lot more but I'm typing on a phone.

Again a dem so out of touch with reality that he thinks that what good trump does is obamas doing...

Have you considered bleach?

Where do you get this delusion?

So you are saying he did nothing?

Yes yes it has

Obama's policies saved the economy after Bush and the Republicans crashed it.

Trump has just been cashing in on the trend Obama created, he's done nothing to help the economy and his trade wars are damaging it so bad he wants to give welfare to his supporters to offset his losses.

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This is the Republican and Democrat MO. Rs spend like a crack ho and Ds clean the mess up after.

Shut up, kike.

>the well-trained response to inconvenient facts

your masters are very proud of you

It's much simpler than that.
Capitalism is an economic system that uses competition amongst private enterprises to find the most efficient means of supplying a demand. People in China don't own their own business, their business is leased to them by the people's republic of China and at any point the people's republic of China can legally take their business away.
Because China is communist.

No doubt. The Republican government that created the Red Scare was the most expensive and wasteful government in US history when adjusted for inflation. These wasteful and expensive propaganda policies never really ended, Republicans have to project all these lies about Democrats being big spenders just to confuse their gullible voter base.

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>the government can legally take your business away at any time
>cuz dats Communism

No, that is fascism by definition.

The massive military presence we project is the ONLY reason we are able to enjoy the standards of living we are able to. We run the highest deficits, have the most debt. How is this possible? World reserve currency. Oil is traded in USD. Enforced by our military. When oil is allowed to be traded in anything but USD, the debt and deficit spending will suddenly be much more relevant.

Well this is about the dumbest post I've ever read.

Those are social programs. Most governments on earth are somewhat socialist. The question is to what degree should a government be socialist. I draw the line at paying lazy fucks to do nothing because they have no drive.

China is a weird and unique system. You're right in that the government has all power but it's not truly communist - it's more totalitarian. It has aspects of multiple systems but one thing it will never really have is a protection of human rights for it's people, since they will always have a surplus.

every thread.

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Give them a huge population of illegals and welfare mooches and see how well their system works.

deserved

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medicare for all saves money

>The massive military presence we project is the ONLY reason we are able to enjoy the standards of living we are able to

LFMAO, that's such fucking bullshit.

Americans have a lower standard of living than dozens of other countries because the profits from this little oil game do not go to American living standards or safety, they go to international billionaire families like the Saudis and the Bush family.

Oil is being dropped by industrial countries all over the world, including China. Whether it stays in USD or not doesn't matter, and our deficit and debt is a function of a LOT more than just the oil market.

>White people take more welfare than black people

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Okay, when BRICS gets underway we will be going to war. Watch and learn.

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Capitalism works for the people with power, and by power I mean money, government positions, and of course, influence. Socialism doesn't work because it goes against the human nature of avarice, while capitalism is the opposite, but that only works for powerful people. The ideal thing would be a middle point between the two, which is something most governments have tried to pull off.

I never said oil money went to americans... I said we are able to go into debt because people are forced to accept USD around the globe. You think they love being forced to use USD for the most important commodity on the planet? They would all be using USD if we didnt have a military pointing guns at them? I highly doubt it.

>Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in history. Not once.
Except for all of the places where it has. Good point.

Probably, since we're nearly ALWAYS at war. Rich people are starting wars for their own profits, and that's not gonna change soon, I'm not sure why you think that has anything to do with maintaining American living standards.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States

Debt is simply a promise of investment in another nation's economy. Paying it off is like selling stock, it's a DUMB move if you want to actually profit from the relationship you're already in, and it sends a message that you don't want to be more involved in trade.

>Probably, since we're nearly ALWAYS at war.

we haven't had a war in 15 years asshole

The reason we can run such high debt and deficit is primarily a function of being the world reserve currency (aka the most important commodity can only be traded in USD, enforced by military).
Who will be buying out debt when our money is worthless? Answer is no one.

Let’s be honest here:
The best government is NO GOVERNMENT. You want what I have? Get a bigger gun, or be a better shot, otherwise, fuck off and leave me alone.
If you can’t survive in the wild, you ain’t worth shit! You’ll die when your country inevitably gets overturned.

>1) venezuela is NOT socialism. They have never nationalize banks, and that's like one of the main "must do" when you are building socialism.
What do you call them nationalizing their oil industry?

>conflating social programs with socialism

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Ppl seem to forget Alaska has the second largest oil cauldron on the planet under it, only beaten by the one under the North Pole, and the UN has massive ecological regulations so nobody can ever touch that, sorry Russia.
It’s called the waiting game, the rest of the oil has an oil crisis and we open our taps and stay the #1 country another 400 yrs. don’t liek it? Too bad, kys

>Alaska has the second largest oil cauldron on the planet under it, only beaten by the one under the North Pole, and the UN has massive ecological regulations so nobody can ever touch that, sorry Russia.
>the UN

>being this stupid

Canada, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, all pretty socialist and way better than that shithole u guys call america

>all pretty socialist
they are all free market, capitalist countries, retard.